Uriah Davis * Born - Maryland Marriages and children * Married on 29 November 1812, Madison County, Kentucky, to Elizabeth Harris, with Tyree 1815-1882 Tyree Davis * Born on 17 September 1815 - KY * Died on 22 May 1882 - Saline Co Mo * Age at death: 66 years old Parents * Uriah Davis * Elizabeth Harris Marriages and children * Married in 1843 to Cindicia Robinson 1827-1857, with * Cicero Gary 1843-1913 * Albert L. 1847 * Ann E. 1849-/1860 * Denny (Drury) F. 1851-1917 * Manerva J. 1852-/1882 * Cindicia 1857-1857 * Married in 1857 to Mary Ann Boatright 1825-1885, with * Sarah M. 1859 * Martha E. * Cinderella Notes Tyree was a Justice of the Peace. Are these two couples related? Davis, Drury married East, Nancy on 11 Jun 1815 in Wayne County, Kentucky Coots, Stephen P. married Davis, Manerva E. on 11 Nov 1825 in Butler County, Kentucky Tyre and Cindicia are on the 1850 Saline Co., census, p. 17, Sept. 24,1850: Tyree Davis 34 M Farmer $250(real estate) b. KY Cindicia 23 F b. MO Cicero G. 6 M b. MO Albert 3 M b. MO Ann E. 2 F b. MO Davey? F. 6/12 F?M? b. MO (Drury) 922 930 miami tyree 45 mary 37 Albert 16 Drury 10 Manerva 8 Ethen emerson 6 Mary 4 Sarah M 1 Robert 31 chili emerson, cinda The below Stephen tried to protect Tyree's older children's inheritance after he died and is somehow related. HARRIS, STEPHEN H. Spouse: McCLEAN, KATHERINE Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1855 County: Saline State: MO HARRIS, STEPHEN State: MO Year: 1860 County: Saline County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Miami Township Page: 496 Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index

Uriah Davis * Born - Maryland Marriages and children * Married on 29 November 1812, Madison County, Kentucky, to Elizabeth Harris, with Tyree 1815-1882 Tyree Davis * Born on 17 September 1815 - KY * Died on 22 May 1882 - Saline Co Mo * Age at death: 66 years old Parents * Uriah Davis * Elizabeth Harris Marriages and children * Married in 1843 to Cindicia Robinson 1827-1857, with * Cicero Gary 1843-1913 * Albert L. 1847 * Ann E. 1849-/1860 * Denny (Drury) F. 1851-1917 * Manerva J. 1852-/1882 * Cindicia 1857-1857 * Married in 1857 to Mary Ann Boatright 1825-1885, with * Sarah M. 1859 * Martha E. * Cinderella Notes Tyree was a Justice of the Peace. Are these two couples related? Davis, Drury married East, Nancy on 11 Jun 1815 in Wayne County, Kentucky Coots, Stephen P. married Davis, Manerva E. on 11 Nov 1825 in Butler County, Kentucky Tyre and Cindicia are on the 1850 Saline Co., census, p. 17, Sept. 24,1850: Tyree Davis 34 M Farmer $250(real estate) b. KY Cindicia 23 F b. MO Cicero G. 6 M b. MO Albert 3 M b. MO Ann E. 2 F b. MO Davey? F. 6/12 F?M? b. MO (Drury) 922 930 miami tyree 45 mary 37 Albert 16 Drury 10 Manerva 8 Ethen emerson 6 Mary 4 Sarah M 1 Robert 31 chili emerson, cinda The below Stephen tried to protect Tyree's older children's inheritance after he died and is somehow related. HARRIS, STEPHEN H. Spouse: McCLEAN, KATHERINE Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1855 County: Saline State: MO HARRIS, STEPHEN State: MO Year: 1860 County: Saline County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Miami Township Page: 496 Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index

Dear Chuck In regards to this posting the name of Drury Davis caught my eye There was a Drury Davis in Owen County, Indiana who married a Sarah (Deem) Ooley on July 01, 1847 and in then By February 3rd, 1857, they are gone from Owen County, Indiana and they then proceeded to Ozark County, Missouri and then into Douglas County, Mo, or maybe the county lines were changed and they did not move. Would this Drury have any connection with the one that you mentioned Norma Ooley Herman nlherman@sbcglobal.net --- chuck Gibson <cathal@omega1wireless.net> wrote: > Uriah Davis > * Born - Maryland > Marriages and children > * Married on 29 November 1812, Madison County, > Kentucky, to > Elizabeth Harris, with > Tyree 1815-1882 > > > > > > > Tyree Davis > * Born on 17 September 1815 - KY > * Died on 22 May 1882 - Saline Co Mo > * Age at death: 66 years old Parents > * Uriah Davis > * Elizabeth Harris > Marriages and children > * Married in 1843 to Cindicia Robinson > 1827-1857, with > * Cicero Gary 1843-1913 > * Albert L. 1847 > * Ann E. 1849-/1860 > * Denny (Drury) F. 1851-1917 > * Manerva J. 1852-/1882 > * Cindicia 1857-1857 > * Married in 1857 to Mary Ann Boatright > 1825-1885, with > * Sarah M. 1859 > * Martha E. > * Cinderella > Notes > Tyree was a Justice of the Peace. > Are these two couples related? > Davis, Drury married East, Nancy on 11 Jun > 1815 in Wayne County, > Kentucky > Coots, Stephen P. married Davis, Manerva E. > on 11 Nov 1825 in > Butler County, Kentucky > > Tyre and Cindicia are on the 1850 Saline > Co., census, p. 17, > Sept. > 24,1850: > > Tyree Davis 34 M Farmer $250(real estate) b. > KY > Cindicia 23 F b. MO > Cicero G. 6 M b. MO > Albert 3 M b. MO > Ann E. 2 F b. MO > Davey? F. 6/12 F?M? b. MO (Drury) > > > 922 930 > miami > > tyree 45 > mary 37 > Albert 16 > Drury 10 > Manerva 8 > > Ethen emerson 6 > Mary 4 > Sarah M 1 > Robert 31 > > chili emerson, cinda > > > The below Stephen tried to protect Tyree's > older children's > inheritance after he died and is somehow > related. > > > HARRIS, STEPHEN H. Spouse: McCLEAN, > KATHERINE Marriage Date: 27 > Aug 1855 County: Saline State: MO > > HARRIS, STEPHEN State: MO Year: 1860 County: > Saline County > Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > Township: Miami > Township Page: 496 Database: MO 1860 Federal > Census Index > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

I have found an ancestor that was in Madison Co. also listed in Garrard Co at another time. Since parts of Garrard were in Madison at one time, I'm having to look deeper at land transactions to see if they were actually in one place all the time. Perhaps the same thing could have happened with your family, the family stayed put, but the county moved. :-) There are websites out there that show the progression of the counties over time. I can't find my link to it at the moment or I'd include it here. Denice

Questions: Why would William and Mary have gone to Madison County, Kentucky, to get married? Does any one have proof that the marriage listed in Madison County marriage index was indeed the two people who lived in Saline County prior to their marriage and following their marriage, or additional information that might provide some credence to this claim OR, is the report in Wheeler Cousins an error or an assumption based on coincidental names? Without additional information, a Saline county marriage would seem to make more sense than a Madison county marriage. Response: There could be several reasons for a Madison County marriage: ongoing estate settlement of Thomas who was killed in the War of 1812, a family visit (Clary's mother-in-law was still living in Madison Co.), or perhaps the Saline info is in error and Mary was from KY. Clary's oldest , Susannah, married William Wolfskill in 1817 in Garrard Co. and they moved to Saline Co. In 1819, Clary moved the family to Saline Co. ; she married William McMahan there. I am not aware of actual proof which states the William & Mary in the Madison Co. marriage records are the same ones, but consent was given by John Harris, father of the bride. There were no John Harris' in the 1820 Garrard County census, two John Harris' in the Madison County census, and no John Harris. in the 1820 Saline County census. Where was Stephen Wheeler born? Response: I believe this is an error in the Saline info. Stephen was born abt. one year before his father was killed at Old Fort Miami in Maumee, OH. There is no indication Clary veer went to Harrison County for Stephen's birth. Her entire family lived on the Garrard/Madison County line until she left for Saline Co. in 1819. Gary W. Wheeler Cincinnati, OH _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008

There is definitely a marriage for a William Wheeler to a Mary Harris in Madison Co., KY, bond date, 1 Feb. 1830, Ret. date, 4 Feb. 1830 with bond and consent by John Harris, father of the bride. On another site is given the marriage having occured in Garrard Co., KY. This could be true as sometimes the bond and return are made in one county and the marriage occrs in another. Unless the actual return has the place of marriage, it is uncertain. Most often the marriage takes place where the bride lives. The source given for the Garrard Co. marriage does not give any specifics. William WHEELER2 was born on 20 Jun 1805 in Garrard Co., Ky.. He died on 20 Apr 1883 in Saline County, MO. Parents: Thomas WHEELER and Clary HARRIS. Spouse: Mary HARRIS. William WHEELER and Mary HARRIS were married on 4 Feb 1830 in Garrard Co., Ky.. Spouse: Minerva J. THOMAS. William WHEELER and Minerva J. THOMAS were married on 19 Jan 1836 in Saline County, MO. Sources: http://www.jesshistorical.org/Jessamine%20County%20Kentucky%20Families/b416.htm GEDCOM file submitted by Nancy Perry, Winchester, Kentucky. Created on 19 NOV 2003. Imported on 28 Nov 2003. Mary HARRIS2 was born in Jun 1814 in Garrard Co., Ky. She died on 23 Aug 1830 in Saline County, MO. Spouse: William WHEELER. William WHEELER and Mary HARRIS were married on 4 Feb 1830 in Garrard Co., Ky.. Some of these GEDCOM files are in error. The above one does not give credit for the original source for the marriage being in Garrard Co. and such marriage is not found in published marriages for Garrard Co. Gerald Tudor - Madison Co.

I will work on this from the Saline Co Mo(sacomo) angle . I think Garrard/Madison co Ky is the clue. You are wise to take the1889s histories with a grain of salt. Memories do slip cogs. especially names and dates. I have a Charles Wheeler in the LEE lineage. My bunch the LEEs went back to Berea area of Ky several times causes 'wanted to see family again" "business" settle estates" etc. One Elizabeth died there while visiting, my problem which of the three Elizabeth Mrs. Richard was she, Mother , daughter or Aunt. They drive me bonkers as they each properly used Mrs. Richard and all live at same time just different ages and ages were not indicated. Tombstones same problem Mother- Elizabeth and dates obscured. Bud.

This message is being triple posted on the Saline County, Missouri, list, the Madison County, Kentucky, list, and the Garrard County, Kentucky, list. Though the questions deal with Kentucky records, the people lived in Saline Co. I covering my bases in hopes that one of you might be able to help clarify my confusion. Topic 1: 1830 marriage of William Wheeler to Mary Harris Discussion: 1. "Early marriages of Madison County, Kentucky" shows a marriage between a William Wheeler and a Mary Harris (daughter of "John Harris"). "Wheeler Cousins" reports that this was the marriage of William Wheeler, son of Thomas Wheeler and Clary Harris. 2. "History of Saline County" (1881) says that William Wheeler, of Saline County, married "Miss Mary Harris, of Saline County. Questions: Why would William and Mary have gone to Madison County, Kentucky, to get married? Does any one have proof that the marriage listed in Madison County marriage index was indeed the two people who lived in Saline County prior to their marriage and following their marriage, or additional information that might provide some credence to this claim? OR, is the report in "Wheeler cousins" an error or an assumption based on coincidental names? Without additional information, a Saline county marriage would seem to make more sense than a Madison county marriage. Topic 2: Where was Stephen Wheeler born? Discussion: 1. "History of Saline County" reports that Stephen Wheeler was born in _Harrison county_, Kentucky, in 1812. 2. His grave marker says he was born in _May_ 1812. 2. His parents were from _Garrard County_, Kentucky. 3. In _March_ 1812, his father, Thomas Wheeler, purchased stuff at an estate sale in Garrard County. 4. When Thomas died in 1813, his will was probated in Garrard County. Question: Why would Clary Harris have gone to Harrison County to give birth to Stephen? (Harrison county is about 50+ miles to the NE of Garrard county.) Might this be an error "History of Saline County" - either based on a mishearing, a misreading, or a mis-typesetting? Again, does anyone have proof that Stephen was born in Harrison County, Kentucky, or additional information that could help make sense of a Harrison county birth? Without additional information, a Garrard county birth certainly makes more sense. Many thanks, Lesa!

Ellie, your Jesse Maupin married Lucy Jones - was this Lucy born between 1785 and 1800 to William Jones and Margaret Buchanan Drake? Or, was her father a son of this Wm Jones? Jesse Maupin and Lucy apparently were heirs of Jones connected to Wm and Margaret, according to Madison deeds, but not certain what date her generation was. If you know, please tell me. Thanks, Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

In a message dated 12/29/2007 8:42:51 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Hdanw@aol.com writes: I know little of the Maupins per se except to know that some of my Harris family of colonial Louisa Co., VA, Albemarle Co., VA and later of Madison Co., KY [early days] intermarried with some of the Maupins. I am a Maupin descendant... Yes they were Huguenots. Try this website for a listing of the Huguenot families: _http://manakin.addr.com/_ (http://manakin.addr.com/) Also Dorothy Maupin Shaffett has a wonderful book on the Gabrielle Maupin family and descendants. Many libraries has this book and also the Family History Library. My lineage... From MAUPIN to STITES Gabriel Maupin - Marie Hersent Daniel Maupin - Margaret Via (also from a Manakin Huguenot family) Jesse Maupin - Lucy Jones Mosias Maupin - Leah Downey Thomas L. Maupin - Anna Miller George W. Maupin - Emily Dyson Sarah Maupin - Hiram N. Stites James B. Stites - Sarah I. Lemons Ray E. Stites - Jessie Russell Ellie Stites - John L. Swanger Ellie Stites Swanger **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

I know little of the Maupins per se except to know that some of my Harris family of colonial Louisa Co., VA, Albemarle Co., VA and later of Madison Co., KY [early days] intermarried with some of the Maupins. As I understand it, Maupin is a Huguenot name. There are references in the early volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers [a collection of abstracts of land grants/patents] of *the French refugees*. That refers to the group of Huguenots who migrated to the area known loosely as Manakin Town. (Ask your librarian whether any library near you has at least some of the eight volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers--a very useful set of books for those of us studying colonial Virginians.) Suggestion: Do some google.com searches I tried this one--there are a good many links--but forget the one which wants to sell you *a family crest*--this is a sales pitch and may have no connection at all to your family. maupin family + genealaogy You might also try this: manakin town virginia Also, go to the Library of Virginia website for information about land patents and grants. Type in the surname you are seeking in the URL given below. The patents are arranged chronologically, the latest ones first. The colonial ones [and the Huguenots were EARLY in Virginia] are toward the last of the list. Dabney is also a Huguenot name; Jouett is another, and so. (My Harrises intermarried with persons with all three of those names--Maupin, Dabney, Jouett, and I suspect Chenault is among the Huguenot names.) Here is the Library of Virginia website for the land patents and grants. Rootsweb will *wrap* the URL in punctuation marks, so remove those dashes or parens before pasting into the search blank. _http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/_ (http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/) There is also a Maupin rootsweb--go to rootsweb.com and check the surname message boards. The name is sometimes spelled Mappin--tax collectors sometimes misspelled names!!! The Library of Virginia has not only the land patents/grants but also some chancery suits, which generally came later and dealt with cases involving deceased persons [as I understand it], and some tax records. Search those also. If you have not done a good deal of research of Virginia, order from the LDS Distribution Center at Salt Lake City the Research Outline for Virginia. Look for the word guides on _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) Then a drop-down menu will appear. Chose V for Virginia--and see what happens. I cannot tell you all the steps, but the website is quite friendly. (Just don't fill in the blanks which first confront you, or you will be there all night, and may be led astray--as submitters just put down any old thing--without documentation, most of the time. Example: I was looking for a person named Nathaniel Williams--an elusive brother of one of my Williams males. For his spouse, the submitter gave this info: Mrs. Nathaniel Williams!!! [Third grade performance, I must say.]) E.W.Wallace **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Dear Harris-Hunters, Those of you descended from Harrises of Virginia [which included Kentucky until 1792] who MAY have been in the American Revolution as service men or widows of service men, may want to try to access the images of the Rev War pension claims which are available in the online database called HeritageQuest. As I have probably written previously, HeritageQuest is available by subscription by a good many Public Libraries. If your library does not have HQ, then pester your local librarian to help you find a nearby county where you may purchase a *non-resident* membership, perhaps for a small fee, for at least a year. In most cases, you can access HQ at a remote computer. Which you cannot do when your local library subscribes to Ancestry.com. I accessed HQ at my home computer and checked Revolutionary War pension claims. I used search terms Harris and Virginia, and a list appeared of 68 claims, some for females, for the Harris surname. One claimant, who was awarded a pension, was one Overton Harris. Those of you connected with colonial Virginia Harrises must know that Overton is a frequent given name for a LOT of male Harrises. (This one was not my ancestor of the same name, who died testate 1827 in Madison Co., KY.) This Overton Harris in one of the first identifying remarks lived in Todd Co., Kentucky. I did not read all of the pension record. The widow's pensions, I have found in the past, are frequently full of genealogical information, but even rejected Pension claims, have useful information. (I have asked Footnote.com to please include the images of Rejected pension claims, and the response was they would take this request under consideration.) Even if you don't find your colonial Virginia ancestor, check any surnames which run in your family, and also check the surnames of the in-laws!!! Frequently neighbors fought together--or at least assembled together! I found the surname of a Kentucky [formerly from Fauquier Co., VA] collateral in an old book [almost a pamphlet which was crumbling away on shelves at my favorite genealogical library]. I read it--because I am curious and because I have had luck with *strange* books and films--and there was an affidavit by my ancestor in this pension claim. The pension was for his brother-in-law. My ancestor said the two men were messmates under Col. Benjamin Harrison!!! (Not everything in a pension claim should be taken as the literal truth!!!) E.W.Wallace **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

>From Richmond, Indiana "Pal-Item" 12-25-2007 WILLIAMSBURG -- Mrs. Lillie Mae George, 89, passed away peacefully at her home surrounded by her family on Saturday, Dec. 22, 2007. She was born Sept. 14, 1918, to Lee Roy and Nola B. Fletcher King in Hicks Hollow, Ky., near Richmond. She was united in marriage to Orlie Willard George on Dec. 17, 1937, in Richmond, Ky. This union was blessed with four sons. Mrs. George was a member of the Williamsburg Friends Meeting. She was retired from Reid Hospital as a nurse's aide and from Williamsburg School, where she was a cook. Her family was her greatest interest and when health permitted she enjoyed gardening, sewing and canning. Mrs. George will be missed by her sons, Donald George, Robert George and his wife Luellen and Tom George and his wife Beverly, all of Williamsburg; a daughter-in-law, Delores George of Greens Fork; grandchildren, Lizann Bane (Curt), Christopher George, Roger George, Tammy Elliott (Tony), Kyle George, Kory George (Sarah), Tommy George, Stephen George (Monika), Angela Ketron (Randy Davis), Stefany Davies (Micah), Rick Stewart and Lynn Jones; great-grandchildren, Michael Bane, Angelina Barker, Eric Barker, Mia Merriell George, Kourtney Ketron, Kristain Ketron, Kami Ketron, Fletcher Davies, Haydn Davies, Brooke George, Jacob George, Brittany George, Christian George, Sammy George and Kelsey George; sisters, Matte King and Laura Tipton; and brother, David King, all of Richmond, Ky.; aunt, Tillie Fletcher of Michigan; several nieces and nephews; and her special hospice caregivers, Donna and Virginia. Mrs. George was preceded in death by her parents; her husband, Orlie W. George; son, Paul George; daughters-in-law, Bonnie George and Martha (Maggie) Ann George; great-grandson, Derrick George; sister, Bonnie Richardson; and brother, Rollie King. A funeral ceremony will be conducted at 11 a.m. on Thursday, Dec. 27, at the Smith & McQuiston Funeral Home, 321 U.S. 27 South, Fountain City. Interment will follow in Williamsburg Cemetery. Family and friends may gather for visitation from 4-7 p.m. on Wednesday, Dec. 26, at the funeral home. Expressions of sympathy may take the form of contributions to Reid Hospital for the Hospice Program, 1401 Chester Blvd., Richmond, IN 47374. Condolences may be expressed online at www.smithmcquistonwebster.com

This abstract pertains to some male Dabneys of Hanover Co., VA ca 1797 [soon after Kentucky won statehood.] They have a Kentucky connection. Dabneys are found all over the South--and sometimes this surname is a given name. As Hanover Co., VA records prior to the Civil War are largely destroyed, this abstract may help Dabney researchers fill in the blanks. Please forward this to interested parties, including other rootsweb sites. Incidentally some of the books compiled by these authors -- especially the KY Court of Appeals Books -- pertain to residents of various other states--North Carolina, Virginia, of course; Maryland; Pennsylvania. If you have *lost* an ancestor--or a collateral--these works may provide a resource for you. Most of the material pertains to LAND. >From Michael L. Cook, C.G. and Bettie A. Cook, C.G., Kentucky Court of Appeals Deed Books, A-G, Volume 1 [Evansville, IN: Cook Publications, 1985], p. 101 p. 307 [of original document] George Dabney and Charles Dabney of Hanover County, Virginia, appoint William Dabney, Jr. of Kentucky as their true and lawful attorney in fact for the purpose of establishing their right and title to all of the lands patented in their names or the name of either of them in Kentucky, to defend them against any claim to which any persons may have or make to said lands, and to prosecute in any suit for the attainment of that end, to lease out such lands as he may think expedient, and to perform whatever he may think necessary for their interest in said lands. November 13, 1797. Recorded November 15, 1797, Hanover County, and January 1, 1798 by the Kentucky Court of Appeals. Submitted by E.W.Wallace **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

it might be interesting to learn where you found the map you downloaded--thanks-- -----Original Message----- From: samuels <dwsbgs@centurytel.net> To: madky@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [MADKY] MADKY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 218 Virginia Grants of Land in Kentucky Most interesting discussion; For years I worked with what I thought was a good map of Madison co. Ky and maps from several others area of VA and N.C. but I recently got on line a download of an excellent map. Silver Creek on My little one showed only a short run, now I find it running all over the county and it makes the deeds make a lot more sense. The Commissioner's/ Conveyances are most interesting. Be certain to record all columns and pay close attention to the etal, hrs.(and others/Heirs) and other shorthand. Bud. I gain so much each time you post. Bud. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Most interesting discussion; For years I worked with what I thought was a good map of Madison co. Ky and maps from several others area of VA and N.C. but I recently got on line a download of an excellent map. Silver Creek on My little one showed only a short run, now I find it running all over the county and it makes the deeds make a lot more sense. The Commissioner's/ Conveyances are most interesting. Be certain to record all columns and pay close attention to the etal, hrs.(and others/Heirs) and other shorthand. Bud. I gain so much each time you post. Bud.

Mary Alice has written to the Madison Co., KY rootsweb the following: From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> Subject: Re: [MADKY] (VA Land Records in KY) The land records in Kentucky until 1792 (statehood) were Virginia Records. LDS Library has 11 survey books on film of all these "Virginia Surveys in the District of Kentucky". The margin notes on these old survey books give the date land grant was issued and grant number. I use these constantly, it seems. These survey books, and an index, are on 6 reels of 35 mm film. My LDS Center is now closed for the holidays, but will be glad to furnish those film numbers; they are on www.familysearch.org "Library", Search Library Catelog, then click on "place" search and fill in as explained in previous post. There is also an extract of the "Land Commissioners' Book", listing all names and places when these "entries" were first made; this extract is in an issue of Kentucky Historical Society Register, also on microfilm, one reel. Many public libraries have books written about the same Land Commissioners' Books. Not all land entries and surveys made it to "grant" status; entries were not all surveyed; many entries were "assigned" (sold) to others before surveyed and granted. One man's "entry" might bear another's survey and grant, or any combination of the three. It took an entry, survey AND GRANT to get a patent on the land. Very confusing to the original settlers, many of whom never received title to their land. Mary Alice My response: Thanks for posting the information about the LDS [Family History Library] films for Virginia Surveys in the District of Kentucky Having heard a lecture some years ago at the Kentucky Historical Society [an Elderhostel] about the plan to digitize some of the Kentucky Land Grants and place them on the internet, I accessed the website of the Kentucky Land Office, Frankfort KY. There is an explanation of nearly every facet of the surveying and granting of land in Kentucky. But there are few images to search. The digitizing is probably a very costly project. Some Virginia warrants/certificates have been digitized. This is, I believe, the URL [but if it doesn't work, chop off some of the phrases toward the end and try again] By the way, rootsweb puts punctucation at the beginning and end of URLs in the messages. Remove the punctuation before pasting this in your search blank. _http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/LandOfficeVTW/Default.aspx_ (http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/LandOfficeVTW/Default.aspx) I found my Christopher Harris, who died in Madison Co., was listed twice. I could see the faded certificate [the handwritten ink is the faded part]. I see that the title is *non-military*. One of the certificates is dated 1779, which was during the American Revolution. Interestingly enough, as I read a good deal [need to do more research] of the deeds of Madison Co., KY., concerning Christopher Harris, it seems his heirs discovered some of this *long-lost* land after Christopher had died in 1794. A purchaser approached them, probably having done a title search, and the heirs sold the land to him [or several buyers.] The land was in Bourbon Co. at the time of the planned purchase. Commissioners deeds in Madison Co., KY are very enlightening in helping one determine who is who--a widowed daughter, for example, a grandchild or two, etc. How intertwined some of these early families of Madison Co. were. That's why my friend called my research *demographics* when I told him I was collecting families all along one watercourse in colonial North Carolina. There is a published book, some years ago, by the Kentucky Historical Society, a limited edition, which is cited below the following paragraph: By 1786, Christopher Harris was beginning to make his move to Kentucky. His previous residences had been Hanover Co., Louisa Co. [where his father Robert Harris was surveyor], and Albemarle Co. A land grant in Kentucky for Christopher Harris has been recorded as follows: Original survey no: 8551 Name: Christopher Harris Acreage: 1,200 County: Fayette Watercourse: Hinkston Fk., Licking Survey Date: 1-20-1786 Original Bk & Page: 10-412 Grantee: Same & heirs Grant Date: 1-25-1792 Original Bk & Page: 14-385-386 (Joan E. Brookes-Smith, MASTER INDEX VIRGINIA SURVEYS AND GRANTS 1774-1791 [Frankfort, KY: Kentucky Historical Society, 1976], p. 84) (Note: In 1786, one Francis Eppes Harris was granted land on the same watercourse, same county. Whether there is a relationship is unknown. None has been discovered. Incidentally, this 1,200 land grant was seemingly discovered by others in Bourbon Co. after Christopher's death. Refer to Madison Co. KY deed executed by some of Christopher's "second family" to McMillen and Gillespie(?).) Jefferson Land Entries show on 17 May 1780, Christopher Harris entered 1200 A on Licking [River], North Fork, Bk. A-66 (It is unclear whether this is Christopher Harris the father or his son, Christopher Harris. If correct, this date precedes the 1786 survey date mentioned above. ) E.W.Wallace descendant of one of the 19 children of Christopher Harris **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

The land records in Kentucky until 1792 (statehood) were Virginia Records. LDS Library has 11 survey books on film of all these "Virginia Surveys in the District of Kentucky". The margin notes on these old survey books give the date land grant was issued and grant number. I use these constantly, it seems. These survey books, and an index, are on 6 reels of 35 mm film. My LDS Center is now closed for the holidays, but will be glad to furnish those film numbers; they are on www.familysearch.org "Library", Search Library Catelog, then click on "place" search and fill in as explained in previous post. There is also an extract of the "Land Commissioners' Book", listing all names and places when these "entries" were first made; this extract is in an issue of Kentucky Historical Society Register, also on microfilm, one reel. Many public libraries have books written about the same Land Commissioners' Books. Not all land entries and surveys made it to "grant" status; entries were not all surveyed; many entries were "assigned" (sold) to others before surveyed and granted. One man's "entry" might bear another's survey and grant, or any combination of the three. It took an entry, survey AND GRANT to get a patent on the land. Very confusing to the original settlers, many of whom never received title to their land. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Some of your questions can be answered by your researching in the Family History Library Catalog on _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) and doing a PLACE search in the catalog. I used these search terms: kentucky [don't add county or your search will be cancelled] and then virginia I cut and pasted this but it probably will be scrambled. So I will type it out: Formed in 1776 from Fincastle County. It became extinct in 1780 when it was divided into Fayette, Jefferson and Lincoln.counties which are all in the State of Kentucky. Then the URL says as Reference: See Fincastle. There is a CD-ROM of Kentucky Land Grants, but I do not recall who the issuer was. Perhaps you can stumble on that info by doing a PLACE search of Kentucky and then go down the list of topics to land records. The FH Library in Salt Lake City has a good many CD-ROMs. Talk to your librarian about interlibrary loan. Most genealogical libraries do not allow their books to circulate, but some Universities and colleges will. I suggest you do an AUTHOR search for Michael L. Cook and his wife [now widow] Bettie Cummings Cook, who abstracted/transcribed a good many early records of Kentucky when it was still under the jurisdiction of Virginia. The book[s] called Kentucky Court of Appeals may be of interest to you, if you had family who were early in Kentucky. Ask your librarian also where you can find a library which subscribes to the online genealogical database called HeritageQuest. You may have to approach a library adjacent to the county in which you live to see if you can pay an *annual fee* so that you may access HeritageQuest, a subscription service available, I understand, only to libraries. There is a book entitled Boonesborough, which, of course is in Madison Co., KY. Good luck in your searches. Also on the FHL website is a guide to doing research in Kentucky. It may list some sources which you had not thought about--tax records, vital records [some were kept in KY in 1853 until just before the Civil War], court order books, probates, etc. I personally have solved a good many mysteries by using deeds. E.W.Wallace with lots of Kentucky folks who came from VA and NC [oh, yes, and one or two from Pennsylvania] **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

There is a Maupin rootsweb list _maupin-l@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:maupin-l@rootsweb.com) Perhaps you can access the Archives on rootsweb and determine whether you want to subscribe to the list. My impression was all the discussion on the list was of rather recent Maupins, mostly of Missouri, rather than those in Albemarle and other Southside counties--colonial era. Colonial Virginians are hard to research because of a lot of missing records!!! (My Harris family of colonial Louisa and of Albemarle Cos. intermarried with some of the Maupins, and some of them seemed to migrate together to Madison Co., KY--which in the beginning was a HUGE county.) E.W.Wallace **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)