I read the Commissioners' deeds in Madison Co, ordered by the Madison County Court term of August 1811, dividing land between the heirs of Michael Wallace who lived in Madison "on waters of Otter Creek", and died sometime before 5 Jan 1810 - after realizing it might be possible this was the same man as Michael Wallace of Garrard side of Paint Lick who also had land on the other side of the Creek in Madison. >From the Madison Co Commissioners' deeds, the wife and heirs of Michael Wallace in Madison (on Otter Creek) were: wife Jane Wallace; dau Elly Wallace Ballard; dau Jane Wallace; Ann R. Wallace; Andrew Wallace, Polly Wallace, Sally Wallace Harris (w/o Christopher), Peggy Wallace Jerman [?]. No mention of a son James. I might look at the Madison Co Court Order Books to see when the first mention of Madison Co Michael Wallace's death appears; there may be a will but I think not, since long ago I copied his Inventory and Appraisal and nothing more. That inventory was long (4 pages), showing much livestock, slaves, personal property. This is the one I had "remembered?" as having died ca.1804. Hard to say what age the Madison Co Michael Wallace was; four of his children were still unmarried including the one son, Andrew (there was no wife's relinquishment of dower when he sold his land portion in 1813). Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Gerald, your reference about Bowman's Co means Thomas South (as well as all the other Souths) were alive on 15 Apr 1779 when the Corn Compact was signed.. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

>From the John Bowman papers is listed those who made up his company at and near Boonesborough in June, 1779. The Souths who were listed were: John, Sr. John, Jr., John, y'ng'r, and Thomas. Source: Boonesborough by George W. Ranck, copyright The Filson Club 1901, 1978 edition Kentucke Imprints, Berea, Kentucky. GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "GT" <g2door@mindspring.com> To: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com>; <madky@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MADKY] The South Family in Madison County > M. A., I agree with your assessment of Eckert's supposed histories. His > sources are suspect as well as kinship of participants although he claims > accuracy. In Madison County 200 Years in Retrospect the Society of > Boonesborough attempts to list those who lived in and around Boonesborough > over a period of years. Even their listing in the History contains > mistakes, or at least one that I am aware dealing with John Kennedy, Sr. > and > his son John, Jr., the senior being killed instead of the son in 1780. I > suppose also that Capt. Twitty was simply honored in this list although he > did not live to even see where Boonesborough was. He was killed several > miles before the party reached Boonesborough. Their sources include > family > genealogies as well as court records (most accurate), and submission of an > article to a newspaper as late as 1907. > > Thomas South is listed with 5 of 16 references as having been at > Boonesborough and as having been there 1778 and killed with no date. > Joseph Drake is listed with 2 sources but no date for his being killed: > Petition from Boones Fort, October 16, 1779 and "Fort Boonesborough" by > Judge William Chenault, written for Couier-Journal, April 11, 1907. > > GRT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> > To: <madky@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [MADKY] The South Family in Madison County > > >> Judith, others in the South family appear in early Madison, etc, records. >> Even tho I love reading Allen Eckert's books and have several of them, >> most researchers would not consider his stories to be proper source >> material, unless he specifies where that info comes from. >> >> I have a copy of a booklet on "The Corn Compact", but not at hand. A >> good >> source for this era is Harry G. Enoch, author of "In Search of Morgan's >> Station and the Last Indian Raid in Kentucky", published by Heritage >> Books. >> >> In Enoch's book, reference is made to John South and Benjamine, but no >> Thomas. John South made an early land entry and many recorded docs >> (survey, deeds, court cases - he land-sued an Anderson) exist on this >> man; >> South's wife was a relative of Joseph and Ephriam Drake (brothers) who >> married Buchanan sisters in 1773-74 in VA and came to Boonesborough in >> 1777-78. This information comes from VA court case depositions by this >> family. >> >> Also in Enoch's book, the 19 signers of "The Corn Compact" at >> Boonesborough on 15 Apr 1779, do not include a "South". His ref for the >> information is Draper MSS 29 CC 59. The Thomas South could have been >> killed before that date; Joseph Drake was killed near Boonesborough in >> 1778. >> >> Mary Alice >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Bud, I call those "Vanity Genealogy Books"! Those writers were exposed as no more than travelling salesmen. They would go to families and ask for a family history; then show the family beautifully bound and printed volumes with elaborate family stories - all inflated to reflect wealth, great educations and extensive property ownership, as well as illustrious ancestors who figured in political and military feats! So, the people could say whatever they wanted about their lineage. Then, he took orders for as many copies as the family could afford to pay for. Made a very good living doing this and calling himself a "Genealogist"! So many of the old books are nothing more.. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

For historical reading/fiction How about ARNOW seed time on the Cumberland or the Long hunters. Years ago a list of constructed genealogies was printed , alert one to these bogus but good looking compilations, I believe it was around the time of the infamous Bailey publications. It might be time to warn the searchers again. Bud.

Judith, thanks for telling us about the other books. It is too bad that those marriages performed at Boonesborough by the itinerant preacher Squire Boone, are not fully documented. The only one referenced (in Draper MS) involving my family, occurred on 15 Apr 1780 between John Kennedy [Jr] and Mary Anderson. Also, another of my Anderson women married a Barnett - I think a son of Wm or John Barnett who later married the widow of Samuel Bell, acquiring Bell's lands. Gerald Tudor found a reference of that marriage for me - in Lincoln Co in 1790's. Maybe we can come up with some Barnett info.. Did you mention the years those girls were born? Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

In regard to Joseph Drake's death, I have Margaret married in 1773 at the Town House in Chilhowie in Smyth Co, Va and moved to Ky and just a few months later was killed by Indians. Margaret moved nearer her brother William Buchanan and while living there she bore two or three illegitimate children of Capt. John Holder. She later married William Jones and lived and died in Franklin Co, Tenn. I descend from Col. James Patton through his daughter Mary who md William Thompson. Much documented data on this family line. Gay Nix "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> wrote: Thanks for the additional information, Gerald. I learned of the Drake-Buchanan people within the past year; following up on a power of atty found in the Madison Deed Books from Joseph Drake's widow to her son-in-law, Pressley Anderson [Jr], led me to interesting new information on these people. No exact date found for Joseph Drake's death; his widow, Margaret Buchannan Drake [Holder]Jones received his 1785 land grant for 400 ac on Drowning Creek. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that everyone should consider Eckert's books as novels--which they are. However, when names are given in such specific way, there is a possibility that it is based on some kind of fact. Thomas South's death is also alluded to in the book, Daniel Boone by John Mack Faragher. The incident is mentioned, but Thomas South is not mentioned by name. The same is true in the newest book, Boone by Robert Morgan, also a biography. Both of these biographies of Daniel Boone are great for reading about how Kentucky came about and who the players were. I do recommend them. Thomas South was not in Kentucky long as he signed the Oath of Allegiance in MD in 1778 and was killed by 1779. If he was married to Elizabeth Barnett, what happened to her? Are the children of this couple, Mary Catherine who married Joseph Malotte (her father's friend, it is believed), John who married Elizabeth Hoy, Nancy Barnett who married Thomas Manion and my Satta/Sarah who married Samuel Stone? Thank you all very much for your responses. Judith K. Arthur

Thanks for the additional information, Gerald. I learned of the Drake-Buchanan people within the past year; following up on a power of atty found in the Madison Deed Books from Joseph Drake's widow to her son-in-law, Pressley Anderson [Jr], led me to interesting new information on these people. No exact date found for Joseph Drake's death; his widow, Margaret Buchannan Drake [Holder]Jones received his 1785 land grant for 400 ac on Drowning Creek. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

M. A., I agree with your assessment of Eckert's supposed histories. His sources are suspect as well as kinship of participants although he claims accuracy. In Madison County 200 Years in Retrospect the Society of Boonesborough attempts to list those who lived in and around Boonesborough over a period of years. Even their listing in the History contains mistakes, or at least one that I am aware dealing with John Kennedy, Sr. and his son John, Jr., the senior being killed instead of the son in 1780. I suppose also that Capt. Twitty was simply honored in this list although he did not live to even see where Boonesborough was. He was killed several miles before the party reached Boonesborough. Their sources include family genealogies as well as court records (most accurate), and submission of an article to a newspaper as late as 1907. Thomas South is listed with 5 of 16 references as having been at Boonesborough and as having been there 1778 and killed with no date. Joseph Drake is listed with 2 sources but no date for his being killed: Petition from Boones Fort, October 16, 1779 and "Fort Boonesborough" by Judge William Chenault, written for Couier-Journal, April 11, 1907. GRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. A. Farrell" <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> To: <madky@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [MADKY] The South Family in Madison County > Judith, others in the South family appear in early Madison, etc, records. > Even tho I love reading Allen Eckert's books and have several of them, > most researchers would not consider his stories to be proper source > material, unless he specifies where that info comes from. > > I have a copy of a booklet on "The Corn Compact", but not at hand. A good > source for this era is Harry G. Enoch, author of "In Search of Morgan's > Station and the Last Indian Raid in Kentucky", published by Heritage > Books. > > In Enoch's book, reference is made to John South and Benjamine, but no > Thomas. John South made an early land entry and many recorded docs > (survey, deeds, court cases - he land-sued an Anderson) exist on this man; > South's wife was a relative of Joseph and Ephriam Drake (brothers) who > married Buchanan sisters in 1773-74 in VA and came to Boonesborough in > 1777-78. This information comes from VA court case depositions by this > family. > > Also in Enoch's book, the 19 signers of "The Corn Compact" at > Boonesborough on 15 Apr 1779, do not include a "South". His ref for the > information is Draper MSS 29 CC 59. The Thomas South could have been > killed before that date; Joseph Drake was killed near Boonesborough in > 1778. > > Mary Alice > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Judith, others in the South family appear in early Madison, etc, records. Even tho I love reading Allen Eckert's books and have several of them, most researchers would not consider his stories to be proper source material, unless he specifies where that info comes from. I have a copy of a booklet on "The Corn Compact", but not at hand. A good source for this era is Harry G. Enoch, author of "In Search of Morgan's Station and the Last Indian Raid in Kentucky", published by Heritage Books. In Enoch's book, reference is made to John South and Benjamine, but no Thomas. John South made an early land entry and many recorded docs (survey, deeds, court cases - he land-sued an Anderson) exist on this man; South's wife was a relative of Joseph and Ephriam Drake (brothers) who married Buchanan sisters in 1773-74 in VA and came to Boonesborough in 1777-78. This information comes from VA court case depositions by this family. Also in Enoch's book, the 19 signers of "The Corn Compact" at Boonesborough on 15 Apr 1779, do not include a "South". His ref for the information is Draper MSS 29 CC 59. The Thomas South could have been killed before that date; Joseph Drake was killed near Boonesborough in 1778. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

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I am looking for Satta/Sarah South in Madison County. Her name is listed as Satta South on her marriage bond when she married Samuel Stone (son of Benjamin Stone/Sarah?) on 27 Aug 1799 in Madison County, KY. Joseph Malotte (many spellings) signed as the bondsman. Joseph Malotte was the husband of Satta's sister, Catherine South. Satta is listed in one book of the marriages of Madison County as Lotta, but when you read the bond, it looks like whomever read that misread Satta as Lotta. When Satta died in Warren County in 1843, she was Sarah Stone. I do not know where the name Satta came from and perhaps it was really Sarah. Our research says that her father was Thomas South who was killed outside Ft. Boonesborough in 1779. Her mother might be Elizabeth Barnett. I have no documentation for any of this. Two of the only documents for her are that marriage bond and the settlement of her estate. Here is what I have for Thomas South: Thomas South and Joseph Malotte appear on a list of men signing the Oath of Allegiance in Washington County, Maryland in 1778. They are also listed in land deals in western Maryland. This information was contained in: Maryland Records by Gaius Marcus Brumbaugh. #70 (C) 104; (D) Thomas South; (E) 0-10-5; (F) 1-0-10; (L) Thomas South age abt 50; (M) Certificate dated Sept 29, 1763, but whether held by it or not uncertain vide______. #71. (C) 76; (D) Joseph Malott; (E) 0-15-2 1/2; (F) 1-10-5; (L) 21 years; (M) Held by certificate dated July 20, 1765. Leese executed. #72 (C) 51; (D) Benjamin Malott (E) 0-10-2 1/2; (F) 1-0-5; (L) 21 years; (M) held by certificate dated Feby. 25, 1766. Lease executed. I have this addtional information: He served for six days in Capt. Joseph Capline’s Co. in the French and Indian Wars in 1758. In 1766, he, along with Benjamin and William South signed a petition in Frederick County to Gov. Horatio Sharp to call a meeting for the Assembly for the purpose of issuing bills of credit to pay public creditors. He was listed as signing an Oath of Allegiance in 1778 in Washington County, Maryland. He purchased land at Sharpsburg, Berkely County, Virginia. He was killed in a battle with the Shawnee Indians after being caught outside Fort Boonesborough. There is a reference to him in the book, A Sorrow in Our Heart, The Life of Techumseh by Allan W. Eckert, on page 714, footnote 223. “Boonesboro settlers killed in 1779 included Frederick and Joseph Stams, Ricahrd, Hines, David Bundan, Michale Myers, John Dumferd, Joshua Barton, Thomas South, and John Baugh while three were captured--Joab Barton, Moses McIlwain, and Ambrose White.” I would appreciate hearing if anyone knows about this part of the South family. My information says that Thomas South is the son of John South and Mary Elizabeth Smith, but again, I do not know if this is true. Judith K. Arthur Maylene, AL On Jan 10, 2008, at 2:00 AM, madky-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >

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More likely the Marriage Bond was obtained in Madison Co, and the marriage was performed, so recorded, in the other state. The bond gives permission for the "rites of Matrimony" to be performed by any magistrate or licensed minister.. Did someone mention whether there was a "return" in Madison Co or not? ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Shirley, after getting the Garrard Co will of my Michael Wallace, I see it was written Feb 1808 and entered into probate Apr 1808 in Garrard Co (part of his land where the house and cemetery was, lay on Garrard side of Paint Lick Creek. Another Michael Wallace (maybe an uncle or nephew of mine) lived in Madison Co, maybe on Otter Creek; I have the inventory of his Madison Co estate and a deed referring to land division, but no will. I had a "memory" of this Wallace death in 1804. The Madison Co Inventory is not dated, and is placed on a pages between a doc recorded Dec 1809 and inventory of Wallace recorded 5 Feb 1810,page 511-515, Mad Co Will Bk A. The deed referring to land division of this Michael Wallace is dated 5 Oct 1813 in Madison Co, between Andrew Wallace of Madison to David J/Gordin/Jordan, "...24 acres...being the Lot conveyed to the said Andrew by the Commissioners appointed by the County Court of Madison to divide the land of Michael Wallace deceased between the heirs of said deceased and to convey to each heir agreeable to the division..."; no mention of a water course, tho. This Andrew's "Lot" is not identified, but the deed refers to lines and corners, etc, of Lot No. 6 ("in Kavanaugh's line"); and a reference to corner to Lot No 4; Madison Co Deed Bk I, pg 390-392. Too bad the other heirs' names are not mentioned. It would be easy to find the Commissioners' Deed transferring all these Lots to the heirs, and learn their names. I need to get that information, just to be sure this is not a separate division of the property of MY Michael Wallace whose house was in Garrard. I have no knowledge of the other names you mentioned "on Otter Creek". Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com