Dear Chris Cox, Thank you for correcting mistaken identities of some of the Oldhams, particularly in Madison Co., KY and sometimes in surrounding areas. I do have to warn you that W. H. Miller's Genealogies has some terrific errors concerning the Oldhams of Madison Co., KY. He has mixed up some of the Oldhams of Jefferson Co., KY and surrounds with those of Madison Co. and Estill Co. Too bad that Miller, who lived in Madison Co., did not go down to the courthouse in Richmond and examine the public records, especially the deeds and probates and the marriage records of the Oldhams. Although these Chenaults--are not my direct ancestors, they were neighbors and collaterals. Example: Nancy (Oldham) Harris, widow of Overton Harris [d. testate 1827] remarried ca 1837 Anderson Chenault (his second wife). Anderson then became the stepfather of my ancestress, Carlisle [sometimes labeled Caroline] Harris. Carlisle's sister Tillitha married Waller Chenault. Carlisle and husband Michael Lowery Stoner migrated to Texas before the Civil War, and Carlisle promptly died of *stomach inflamation* [1860 mortality schedule for Texas.] One of the finest lessons I ever got was *Make family group sheets for each piece of evidence you find.* I thought to myself, what a waste of paper!!!! But I did so, when I picked up a book about old Granville Co., NC and found the author, whose error-ridden book is constantly reprinted and sold, had skipped a whole generation of a common-named family. There were generations of John Williamses, and he jumped to the conclusion that a grandson by that name was the son of the immigrant!!! Wrong!!! There were four sons of John Williams [whom I label the immigrant] and each had a son named John Williams, making four John Williamses in the 3rd generation. (Oh, joy!!!) Fortunately, I discussed my problem with this gap of years with a skilled genealogist/lecture/author/librarian while with her on a trip to Salt Lake City, and she told me I should dismiss that work altogether and go to the huge collection of correspondence that that author had received and check out the corrections that more skilled persons--such as county judges, county clerks--had tried to make to his errors!!! Yes, I found a county judge (and genealogist) well respected in Virginia tried to correct some errors this author had made concerning a Henderson family. I do find newbies--and maybe some not-so-newbies--do not check the dates, when they are available, and as a consequence, have distorted pedigrees!!! (According to Ancestral file--an LDS database--one of my VA-KY ancestors was still fathering babies at age 90!!!! I don't think he lived that long, but golly, what a messed up database Ancestral file is!!! Most of us experienced genealogists ignore it!) If one does not have dates of birth and death, there are ways to make up for that lack--such as when did the man first acquire land, when did he appear in court records [and most of our males, and some females] appear in court records, tax records, etc. Thanks for corrections! E.W.Wallace descendant of Richard *Ready-Money* Oldham and his first wife, formerly of Caswell Co., NC and later of Madison Co., KY

For those interested in the Chenault family and some of their spouses of Madison Co., KY, use this URL _http://www.library.eku.edu/collections/sca/manuscripts/chenault.pdf_ (http://www.library.eku.edu/collections/sca/manuscripts/chenault.pdf) I quickly looked over this *family group sheet* and I have some questions about the validity of the dates--and even some of the spouses who are listed. As usual, take most abstracts from books and the internet with a grain of salt and check them against the records. Madison Co. deeds are excellent for determining family relationships, and so are probates. Tax records and court records are also very helpful. The Family History Library in Salt Lake City has a good collection of films of Madison Co., KY. As for books, Bill and Kathy Vockery of Richmond, KY abstracted and published the marriage records of Madison Co. Also, they collected and published a lot of tombstone inscriptions [cemeteries]. Jackie Couture has published some abstracts of court order books A & B of Madison Co. One of my ancestresses, Nancy Harris nee Oldham, widow of Overton Harris [d. testate 1827] married ca 1837 Anderson Chenault. That marriage is not listed. It was a second marriage for each. (In fact, Nancy Harris had a pre-nuptial agreement drawn up, although it was not recorded until about a year after the marriage.) Furthermore, a Waller Chenault married earlier Tillitha Harris, one of the daughters of the above named Nancy Harris. A descendant of this couple has posted some information on the internet. Here is his URL _http://members.tripod.com/~labach/wchenaua.htm#s1_ (http://members.tripod.com/~labach/wchenaua.htm#s1) Perhaps there was another Waller Chenault. Do not assume all persons with the same name are one person!!! Only one land patent in Virginia is listed for a Chenault--William Chenault in 1771 in Bedford Co., VA. E.W.Wallace a descendant of Mrs. David Chenault's sister--Frances Tandy Tribble Stoner (later Mrs. Thomas Chilton)

This message has appeared on the list. I have written my comments below: Hello List. I am hoping someone can help with the questions below regarding DAVID OLDHAM and MARTHA "Patsy" TATE. Dear Judith, Thank you for all of the work you have done on the Tate line. I am related to them through the Carr line. I have been working on Martha O. Tate, b. abt 1818, d/o William Tate and Martha Wynn. I have found Martha with her husband David Oldham on the 1850 Madison KY census, ED 2, pg 285b, #588, with children Nancy, Nathaniel, William and Jesse. Living next door is Abner Oldham and his wife Hannah and two children Helen and Miranda. I have Martha [Patsy] Tate and David Oldham on the 1860 census, KY, Madison, W. subdivision, pg 49, White Hall P.O., #341. Nathaniel is not there and Martha, b. 1852 is. I have been researching this online - ancestry.com. and am very confused. There is a David Oldham married to Susannah P. Chenault. I have them on the 1860 census, KY, Fayette, ED1, #429, Lexington P.O. pg. 54. D.D. Oldham, 48, S.P. Oldham, 43 and A.M. Oldham 16. I think this may be the Anne everyone says they had. But then who is that Anne married to C.M. Wallace that is listed with them? Caleb Wallace married Anne Wallace according to what I found online. MY David doesn't have an Ann to marry Caleb Wallace. You have been researching this carefully for a long time. Surely you have come up against this problem. My David is next to Abner and Hannah in 1850. But this other David married to Susan is supposed to be their son. ??????? Please help me out here. Response from E.W.Wallace Online research can help in your genealogical pursuits, but NOT all the answers are on the internet--and, indeed, not all the answers to most genealogical questions can ALL be answered. As my genealogist/lecturer/author/librarian friend says, No genealogy is ever complete!!! We genealogists still have to revert to the old fashioned ways, and there are a number of guides to help you. Rootsweb has some lessons, CyndisList has some lessons, and familysearch.org has some lessons. One mistake is made with Oldhams in Kentucky--who are plentiful!!! Everyone assumes they are all related. Another Oldham researcher and I have discovered they have different origins, at least in later days after they left Virginia. If one's ancestors are those Oldhams who are chiefly in early Madison Co., KY, (perhaps Boonesborough and later) then the researcher needs to know that their origins prior to KY migration were Caswell Co., NC, formed in 1777 from Orange Co., NC. The earliest I have found Jesse and his probable brother James Oldham is ca 1763 in a land grant for James Oldham in Orange Co., NC and for whom Jesse Oldham was the chain carrier. Then, there is another Oldham family clustered around Louisville, KY who seemingly have different roots--there seems to be insufficient information in colonial Northern Neck Virginia to connect them with the group in North Carolina. Those Oldhams in Louisville and surrounds came directly from Virginia to Kentucky. We have reason to believe that Jesse Oldham of Madison Co., KY, who died testate ca 1814 in Madison Co., KY, was earlier in Virginia [before North Carolina], probably somewhere near what is now Fauquier Co., VA, which was formed 1749. (Formation of counties is always critical in your research.) He is listed as one of the militia men in 1755 in the Second Virginia Rangers [I am typing this from memory and stand to be corrected] under Capt. John Ashby, who is found later in Fauquier Co., VA, as are many of the surnames of the men in that company. This was the French and Indian War--remember that war that preceded the American Revolution? (In other words, Ashby and men were fighting for the British against the French and their allies the Indians.) You will find this reference to Jesse Oldham in Lloyd D. Bockstruck's book--Virginia's Colonial Soldiers, published years ago by Genealogical Publishing Co. (see note below) Probates, court records, and land records (deeds), particularly for Madison Co., KY are reliable sources for sorting out some of these families. I do wish I had more time to really study the deeds of Madison co., KY. I found that the Family History Library has films of the grantor and grantee indexes (as well as films of many deed books) which are typed and alphabetized. Oh, yes, and the deeds which are indexed are arranged chronologically. One wants particularly to look at those deeds which say *Hrs* for heirs; &c for *and others* and Commissioners deeds. The commissioner was appointed by the court to help a family distribute inherited property (and probably had other tasks as well--such as helping settle family disagreements), etc. Jackie Couture has compiled and had published by Heritage Books the early court records of Madison Co. I was in a waiting room the other day and started going through her books page by page, and discovered some family information which had puzzled me for a time. The widow of a Harris had remarried, and that was why the marriage record was confusing. I also discovered from those court records that the deceased and his widow had three surviving children, a fact I had not known heretofore. Yes, my dear--there is a LOT of *stuff* on the internet, but don't let that source be your only source. If you are working, then, of course, your time to research films and books is quite limited, but you can make yourself some *to do* lists for when you have time. In the beginning, when I was still working, I figured I could spend some of my allowance, not on Starbucks which was not around when I was working, but on hiring a researcher in Frankfort, KY, and he introduced me to the value of COBs--court order books for Kentucky. I thank him, even though he is long gone, for introducing me to the value of these court records in Kentucky and Virginia research--and wherever else I can find such records. I have a number of Kentucky counties to research. Oldhams are most confusing--probably not they themselves, but because there are large gaps in some Virginia records--enough that some lecturers make good fees by lecturing on Virginia's burned counties!!! Kentucky is luckier in that respect, although I have bumped up on a burned county or two in Kentucky!!! Best of luck to you. I believe Abner Oldham may be linked to the Jesse Oldham family, but I deviated in my research, because my more immediate Oldham was a lady, who had two husbands. And her youngest daughter, my ancestress, was taken to Texas by her husband!!! So, for the most part, my Oldham ancestry search in Madison Co., KY stopped with the beginning of the Civil War. E.W.Wallace Here is a description taken from the Family History Library catalog of some of the contents of Bockstruck's book on Virginia's colonial soldiers: Contains county military rosters [1677-1775], muster rolls for King George's War 1739-1748, records for the French and Indian War 1754-1763 and Dunmore's War 1774, militia miscellany (petitions [1742-1775], Hening's [1756-1765?], Virginia records in the Public Records Office in London [1701-1702], Draper manuscripts [1742-1774], county & misc. loose papers [1644-1787?]), bounty land applications [1779-1780], bounty land warrants [1779-1783?], and courts martial records [1742-1767?].

The McCords of Scotland Part I. From a family account written in longhand during the first half of the 20th Century: James McCord, about 1689, was a Highlander and chief of his clan. He was killed at the Battle of Killekrankie Pass, Scotland during the Revolution. His son, John McCord, took part in the numerous wars and died about 1715-1717. John McCord's sons were John, David, William, Robert, Samuel, Benjamin and James. These, after the death of their father, went to Stewarts Town, County Tyrone, Ireland. John, David and William went to Pennsylvania about 1720. John afterwards went to North Carolina. David and William were killed by Indians. Their father John McCord, was born in Argyle Skye, Scotland. His coat of arms was a shield - gold and black with three hearts and three lance heads on it, surmounted by a closed helmet. Families by the same name still live in Tyrone and are all Presbyterians. There are land grants in Pennsylvania to all these men before 1750 -- as early as 1720, and several enlisted in the War of the Provinces in 1746. Also, a record of James McCord, son of Robert, of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and North Carolina, who came when four years old and died in 1864 in Tennessee. The following is copied from the unpublished manuscript of Mr. William Harris Miller in Kentucky Room of Eastern Kentucky State College, Richmond, Kentucky. 436a McCord The McCords of Albemarle County, Virginia were Scotch-Irish, Presbyterians, and were among the earliest settlers of the County, being original patentees of lands there. Johannes McCord and Isabella McCord and their family landed August 17, 1734 at New Castle, Pennsylvania, he himself being 49 years of age, and his wife, Isabella, 36. His son, William, was 5 years and 9 months; James, 2 years and 9 months; Joseph was born at 12 o'clock Saturday, February 8, 1736; John was born in the Colony of Virginia, September 5, 1738; Agnes was born December 21, 1740 and Benjamin, March 16, 1743. Agnes McCord, daughter of Johannes and Isabella McCord, became the second wife of Christopher Harris. Johannes McCord with his wife, Isabella, and three children, were living in the Colony of Virginia September 5, 1738, on which day their son, John, was born in March 1747. Johannes McCord and his son, William, were subscribers to a call to Reverend Samuel Black, a Presbyterian misister. In 1755, Johannes (Jo. or John) patented 168 acres of land in Albemarle County, Virginia on Moorman's River, near the Blue Ridge, and 98 acres Buck's Elbon (sp) Mountain, in the same neighborhood. John (Johannes) McCord's will bears date March 2, 1764, at the time of his death being about 79 years of age, his wife surviving at about 66 years of age. The witnesses to the will were Gabriel Maupin and James Little. Gabriel Maupin lived near Free Union, and testator in the same locality, on Moorman's River. In his will, a copy of which is printed on Pages 276-7 of the original volume, John (Johannes) made provision for his wife, but her name, Isabella, is not used. The executors were testator's sons John and Benjamin. Only four children are named in the will: to wit: John, Benjamin, Christopher Harris (who had married his daughter, Agnes) and William Durham McCord. The sons, William, James and Joseph are not named in the will. To be continued. Edgar L. Parrish Bethesda, Maryland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:42:23 EST Subject: [MADKY-L] McCord Grantors [from Index] I am interested in the interrelationships of the McCord families who resided in early Madison Co., Kentucky. Reason for my interest: My ancestress was Agnes McCord, second wife of Christopher Harris the elder, formerly of Albemarle Co., VA. The McCords are suspected [not proved] to have migrated to Virginia, principally Augusta Co., VA, from Pennsylvania, as many Scots-Irish families did. These are some of the McCord grantors listed in the early deed indexes of Madison Co., KY. If you know anything of any of these persons, will you share information with me? I am particularly interested in David McCord's ancestors. Surname of first person listed is MCCORD. Second item is the grantee. Third item is, of course, is the Deed Bk and page on which the deed is located; next is date of recording; last item is location of land. David to James French, C-578, Sep 6, 1795, 36 A Otter Crk David & Ann to Wm McCord D-478, Dec 29, 1797, 145 A. Otter Crk David & Ann to Robert McCord, D-480, Dec 29, 1797, 145 A Otter Crk Anna & David to John McCord, #-905, May 4, 1805 James & Margaret to David McCord QCD Q-223, Oct 4, 1824, 108 A, KY River [note: to newbies, QCD is quit claim deed, a device used even today - look it up] David & Dorcas to James McCord QCD, Q-364, May 9, 1825, 108 A KY River David & Elvira al William Hrs. to Wm D. McCord, W-6, Feb 16, 1825, 200 A Muddy Crk A note about David McCord. This information is from Jackie Couture, Madison County, Kentucky Court Order Book B, 1791-1801 , p. 88 At a Court held for Madison County on Tuesday the 7th day of October 1794 A deed from Jonathan Graves and Robert Burton to David McCord was proved by a certificate from the clerk of Granville County [North Carolina] and ordered recorded. (A note about Robert Burton of Granville Co. NC. He was the son-in-law of John Williams, Esq., of that NC county, who was one of the proprietors of Transylvania Co. aka Henderson & Co., who were the speculators who founded Boonesborough. Whether he was the agent of John Williams, Esq. [a judge] at this time is unknown; I believe John Williams was still living. Many of the papers of Robert Burton, according to sources in Granville Co., NC, are at Duke University. If one is a student of the early history of Boonesborough, no doubt his papers would be of interest, as several lawsuits were brought against Henderson & Co. and the executors of the estates of the *proprietors*. If you have access to the online genealogical database called HeritageQuest, generally through a nearby public library, you may read the Filson Club publication Boonesborough.) Submitted by E.W.Wallace ==== MADKY Mailing List ==== Madison Co. KYGenWeb Page - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymadiso/madison.html

Dear Listers; I am searching for the John H. Rees(e) and Nancy Gentry lines marrd in Madison Co in 1829. Thank you, Don Hayes-Moline, IL.

I am interested in the interrelationships of the McCord families who resided in early Madison Co., Kentucky. Reason for my interest: My ancestress was Agnes McCord, second wife of Christopher Harris the elder, formerly of Albemarle Co., VA. The McCords are suspected [not proved] to have migrated to Virginia, principally Augusta Co., VA, from Pennsylvania, as many Scots-Irish families did. These are some of the McCord grantors listed in the early deed indexes of Madison Co., KY. If you know anything of any of these persons, will you share information with me? I am particularly interested in David McCord's ancestors. Surname of first person listed is MCCORD. Second item is the grantee. Third item is, of course, is the Deed Bk and page on which the deed is located; next is date of recording; last item is location of land. David to James French, C-578, Sep 6, 1795, 36 A Otter Crk David & Ann to Wm McCord D-478, Dec 29, 1797, 145 A. Otter Crk David & Ann to Robert McCord, D-480, Dec 29, 1797, 145 A Otter Crk Anna & David to John McCord, #-905, May 4, 1805 James & Margaret to David McCord QCD Q-223, Oct 4, 1824, 108 A, KY River [note: to newbies, QCD is quit claim deed, a device used even today - look it up] David & Dorcas to James McCord QCD, Q-364, May 9, 1825, 108 A KY River David & Elvira al William Hrs. to Wm D. McCord, W-6, Feb 16, 1825, 200 A Muddy Crk A note about David McCord. This information is from Jackie Couture, Madison County, Kentucky Court Order Book B, 1791-1801 , p. 88 At a Court held for Madison County on Tuesday the 7th day of October 1794 A deed from Jonathan Graves and Robert Burton to David McCord was proved by a certificate from the clerk of Granville County [North Carolina] and ordered recorded. (A note about Robert Burton of Granville Co. NC. He was the son-in-law of John Williams, Esq., of that NC county, who was one of the proprietors of Transylvania Co. aka Henderson & Co., who were the speculators who founded Boonesborough. Whether he was the agent of John Williams, Esq. [a judge] at this time is unknown; I believe John Williams was still living. Many of the papers of Robert Burton, according to sources in Granville Co., NC, are at Duke University. If one is a student of the early history of Boonesborough, no doubt his papers would be of interest, as several lawsuits were brought against Henderson & Co. and the executors of the estates of the *proprietors*. If you have access to the online genealogical database called HeritageQuest, generally through a nearby public library, you may read the Filson Club publication Boonesborough.) Submitted by E.W.Wallace

E. W. I have also been researching the McCords because Nancy Carol McCord, daughter of William McCord and Mary Wilson Yandell McCord married James C. Hedges in 1848 in Henry Co., TN. They were my great great grandparents. From your various emails, I do have Agnes McCord in my data, but I do not know her line and how it relates to mine. And I have David McCord and Anna Shipley. Although unverified, I believe David's parents were William McCord and Mary Irwin or Irvin McCord. William's parents were William McCord "the immigrant" who was born Argyle, Isle of Skye, Scotland and Martha Ann Sawyer. William settled in 1720 near Harrisburg, PA. David's father supposedly died at Fort McCord, PA. My Nancy McCord is the great niece of your David through William born in Scotland. David and Nancy's grandfather James were brothers. The name McCord in Scotland was also spelled McCorde and MacKorda. William from Scotland's father was alos born in Argyle, Isle of Skye but died in County Tyrone, Ireland. And William his son immigrated from Ireland. There are a number of websites about the McCords in PA and Fort McCord which was near Chambersburg. It was quite prominent in the French and Indian Wars. And of course about Clan McCord. Patricia Max

Hello List. I am hoping someone can help with the questions below regarding DAVID OLDHAM and MARTHA "Patsy" TATE. Dear Judith, Thank you for all of the work you have done on the Tate line. I am related to them through the Carr line. I have been working on Martha O. Tate, b. abt 1818, d/o William Tate and Martha Wynn. I have found Martha with her husband David Oldham on the 1850 Madison KY census, ED 2, pg 285b, #588, with children Nancy, Nathaniel, William and Jesse. Living next door is Abner Oldham and his wife Hannah and two children Helen and Miranda. I have Martha [Patsy] Tate and David Oldham on the 1860 census, KY, Madison, W. subdivision, pg 49, White Hall P.O., #341. Nathaniel is not there and Martha, b. 1852 is. I have been researching this online - ancestry.com. and am very confused. There is a David Oldham married to Susannah P. Chenault. I have them on the 1860 census, KY, Fayette, ED1, #429, Lexington P.O. pg. 54. D.D. Oldham, 48, S.P. Oldham, 43 and A.M. Oldham 16. I think this may be the Anne everyone says they had. But then who is that Anne married to C.M. Wallace that is listed with them? Caleb Wallace married Anne Wallace according to what I found online. MY David doesn't have an Ann to marry Caleb Wallace. You have been researching this carefully for a long time. Surely you have come up against this problem. My David is next to Abner and Hannah in 1850. But this other David married to Susan is supposed to be their son. ??????? Please help me out here. Thanks Jackie Britton

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Eleanor, I have found 11 Gordon families living in Madison Co in the late-1700s and early 1800s. Through a combination of conventional research and DNA testing, I have determined that there were at least two very distinct Gordon families living in the area and believe that most of the Gordons there were closely related to one of the two families. My ancestor Robert GORDON (born abt. 1773-1784 NC - d. 1854) most likely married a Sarah ROBERTSON/ROBINSON in 1805 in Madison Co. Sarah was the daughter of Samuel ROBERTSON and Elizabeth HARRIS, who was the daughter of Chris Harris and Mary Elizabeth DABNEY family of VA. She first married a James MCNEELY in 1792. Furthermore, I have whom I believe is your Thomas Jefferson GORDON listed as the son of a David GORDON (1770 - 1849) who married Jane -Jinney- BOYLE (b. 1780 Richmond KY - 1840) - daughter of John BOYLE (1750 - 1824) and Jane BLACK (1751 - 1801). While DNA has helped considerably, the Gordons and related families are still incredibly difficult to untangle, but possibly the information on the following link to my research on Madison Co. Gordons will be of use to you. http://gordonquest.com/current-research.htm Please email me if you have any questions. Kindest regards, Tei A. Gordon Co-Admin The Gordon DNA Project www.TheGordonDNAproject.com

"Eleanor Homewood" wrote: Subject: [MADKY] Darla Meng Can anyone give me a current e-mail address for Carla Meng. She entered some information on a Alzira Harris b 26 Dec 1809 in Madison Co KY on Ancestry.com in 2002. Since this is a line I am looking for I would like very much to contact her. The e-mail address that was entered then has came back to me as invalid. Alzira/Elzira Harris married Thomas Jefferson Gordon 17 Jan 1827 in Madison Co.KY. Darla has her father as Willie Harris. If any of these people are familiar to anyone I would very much enjoy hearing from you. Eleanor Homewood Dear Eleanor: I cannot answer any of your questions. This is how this marriage (Gordon-Harris) is listed in the Bill and Kathy Vockery's book Madison County Kentucky Marriage records Vol. II 1823-1851 p. 31 GORDON, Thomas J. - Harris, Alzira, 17 Jan 1827 [date of bond]; bondsman Diehl, William; return 18 Jan 1827 Possibly you will have to study the other Gordon bridegrooms in Madison Co. of this period. I will list them, but not their brides, unless you think there may be a clue in the names of the brides. Gordon, John - bond 22 Feb 1825 Gordon, William - bond 4 Mar 1841 Gordon, Willis - bond 30 Oct 1830 I collect some early Harrises of Madison Co., but Alzira does not ring a bell nor does her purported father Willie Harris. I will point out that the index of the Vockery compilation for this volume of marriages lists William Diehl as bondsman for a good many marriages. One wonders about his linkage to either the bride or the groom. Interesting - Thomas Gordon was also bondsman for several marriages of this time period. Maybe there is a clue among these marriages in which Thomas Gordon was bondsman. Busby, John F. - Hale, Mrs. Elizabeth, 7 Nov 1848, Gordon, Thomas [bondsman] 7 Nov 1848 [may be a second marriage as the one just above dated 1832 is also for John F. Busby] There may be a clue here: Harris, John H. - Lees, Isabella C, 26 Oct 1848 - Gordon, Thomas [bondsman] return 26 Dec 1848 McMillion, John C. - Taylor, Mary Ann, 31 Jul 1848 - Gordon, Thomas J. [bondsman], Taylor, William FB [father of bride giving consent] 3 Jul 1848 [return] Roberts, George - Harris, Elizabeth 29 Jun 1835 - Gordon, Thomas J. [bondsman], Harris, John, CUB [Vockerys' key for CUB - relationship unknown] 29 Jun 1836 In an earlier volume of marriages, also compiled by the Vockerys, for marriages of 1786-1822, the earliest marriage shown for a Gordon was held 25 Feb 1789 Gordon, Samuel - Gordon, Mary, 25 Feb 1789 - Davis, Samuel [bondsman] [no return shown] In my own research of Madison Co., KY, which has been on the back burner for about two years now, I found the filmed deed indexes and the deeds, held by the Family History Library, to be very helpful in establishing relationships. Probates are also of great help as the heirs distribute their inheritance. Commissioners deeds are useful, as a commissioner has been appointed by the court to have the family settle any differences among them. I frequently find the husband of one of the females in the family. If you live near an LDS FHC, you can borrow the film from Salt Lake City for a small fee for a short time. The deed indexes for Madison Co., grantor and grantee, have been typed alphabetically, and they are easy to read. Therefore, you can choose the names which pertain to your families and determine on which watercourse they clustered. Sometimes that helps one sort out one Harris family from another Harris family--that and the persons with whom they associate. I have found that filmed tax lists of Kentucky generally give the watercourse on which the land is located. At times, I have collected families which lived along the same creek to distinguish those who lived in a different direction and on a different watercourse. It seems to me that I read that in the early days, Madison Co. covered about six now current Kentucky counties, so you may have to look in adjoining counties for progeny of your Gordons. E.W.Wallace

Can anyone give me a current e-mail address for Carla Meng. She entered some information on a Alzira Harris b 26 Dec 1809 in Madison Co on Ancestry.com in 2002. Since this is a line I am looking for I would like very much to contact her. The e-mail address that was entered then has came back to me as invalid. Alzira/Elzira Harris married Thomas Jefferson Gordon 17 Jan 1827 in Madison Co. Darla has her father as Willie Harris. If any of these people are familiar to anyone I would very much enjoy hearing from you. Eleanor Homewood

Does anyone on the list know where Biggerstaff subdivision of Madison Co., is in the 1930 census? It is not listed as one of the subdivisions in 1930. Am trying to locate Mary (Sowers) Smith in the 1930 census but do not know where to look in the 1930 census, In 1920 she was listed in Biggerstaff, Madison Co., KY/ John in Lawrence, KS researching Sowers, John, Miller, Booth. Eller, Sargent and other related families. [email protected] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006

I have not posted to this list in some time and am still interested in finding information on the following family who lived in Madison Co., Dillon dist , KY Joel SOWERS b.11 Ar 1815 Montgomery Co., VA m: 22 Dec 1839 Floyd Co., VA d. 28 Jan 1888 Round Hill, Madison Co., KY + Adeline Simmons b. abut 1818 Montgomery Co., VA d. KY I. Emmet Sowers b. about 1841 Floyd Co., VA II. William S. Sowers b. abt 1847 Floyd Co., VA m: 26 Nov 1884 Madison Co., KY + Mary J. Goins b. abt 1844 KY A. James Sowers b. abt. 1867 Ky married to Pattie ------ 1. James S. Sowers b. Dec 1888 KY 2. Strother J. Sowers b. at 1899 KY occup. Type setter married: Lillie b. abt 1890 KY 3. Bandy B. Sowers b. abt. Apr 1890 Madison Co., KY 4. Hollie Sowers b. abt. 1905 Madison Co., KY B. William Sowers b. abt. 1868 KY C. Mike Emmett Sowers b. 1870 Paint Lick Madison Co., KY d. 1936 Moadison Co., KY buried in 1936 Richmond Cemetery, Madison Co., KY Married: Pauline KELLEY b.1890 d. 1975. 1. Chester Manin Sowers b. 21 Sep 1928 d. 14 Jul 1989 Fairfield, Buttler Co., OH + Susan KELLEY b. 26 Jun 1910 Madison Co. KY d. 31 Jan 1995 Butler Co., OH a. Chester Main Sowers b. abt 1928 d. 1989 b. Margaret Hellen Sowers b. 10 Nov 1931 Madison Co., KY + William Oliver Sexton b. 2 May 1928 Hamilton, Butler Co., OH d. 19 Mar 2001 Hamilton, Butler Co., OH i. Wallace Wayne Sexton c. Paul Sowers b. abt 1934 d. Ruth Sowers b. abt 1944 2. Mattie S. Sowers b. abt 1910 3. Ruby T. Sowers b. abt 1912 4. Lillian Sowers D. Robert Sowers b. abt 1871 KY E. Mary Sowers b. abt. 1873 KY F. Lucy Sowers b. abt 1874 KY + J. E. English m: 19 May 1892 Madison Co., KY G. George Sowers b. abt 1875 KY +Madison ---- 1. Herbert Sowers b. Mar 1895 KY + Purdee ---- b. abt 1891 KY a. Freda Sowers b. about 1919 Ky H. Rasmus Sowers b. abt 1877 KY I. Susan Sowers b. Nov 1879 KY III. Rhoda E. Sowers b. 1846 Floyd Co., VA + James E. Kinnard m: 2 Jul 1870 Madison Co., KY IV. Permelia Isabelle Sowers b. abt 1848 Floyd Co., VA + Robert Goins b. Mar 1848 KY A. William Goins b. abt 1869 VA B. Clarence Goins b. abt 1872 KY + Minnie ----- b. Jul 1896 KY 1. Hugh N. Sowers b. 17 Jan 1919 d. 30 Jun 1990 Madison Co., KY C. James Goins b. abt 1874 KY D. George Goins b. abt 1877 KY E. Robert Emmet Goins b. Mar 1879 KY + Nannie ----- b. abt 1883 KY 1. Verdie L. Goins b. abt 1903 Madison Co., KY 2. Ada F Goins b. abt 1907 Madison Co., KY 3. Thomas J. Goins b. abt l1908 Madison Co., KY 4. Gneva Goins b. abt 1909 Madison Co., KY 5. male Goins b. abt 1910 Madison Co., KY 6. Jesse J. Goins b. abt 1912 Madison Co., KY 7. Anna D. Goins b. abt 1915 Madison Co., KY 8. Callie F. Goins b. abt 1917 Madison Co., KY F. Calvin Goins b. abt Apr 1883 KY + Miranda ----- b. abt 1888 KY 1. Hubert Goins b. abt Jul 1899 Madison Co., KY 2. Emma Goins b. abt 1914 Madison Co., KY 3. Franklin Goins b. abt Dec 1917 Madison Co., KY 4. Gladys Goins b. abt Sep 1918 Madison Co., KY G. Alma Goins b. abt Aug 1885 KY H. Emma Goins b. abt Dec 1887 KY I. Herschel Goins b. 9 Feb 1889 KY d. Jun 1965 VA J. Gracie Lee Goins b. 13 Apr 1892 Ky d. 15 Mar 1905 Madison Co., KY buried in William Taylor Cemetery. V. Mary A Sowers b. abt Jul 1850 Floyd Co., VA VI. Calvin J. Sowers b. 28 Oct 1852 d. 28 Oct 1922 Madison Co., KY guriedGilead Church Cem. on Poosey Ridge, Madison Co., KY + Adeline ---- b. 14 May 1865 KY d. 27 Jan 1936 Madison Co., KY buried: Gilead Church Cemetery, Madison Co., KY A. Nora Sowers b. Jul 1893 KY B. Robert L. Sowers b. May 1894 KY C. Jessie Sowers b. Mar 1898 KY D. Maude Sowers b. Apr 1900 KY + Rosa Belle Whitlock m: 7 Feb 1876 E. Lucy F. Sowers b. abt 1877 +James Rhodus m: 18 Oct 1893 Madison Co., KY F. Mary Sowers b. abt 1879 KY + Alfred Malear m: 28 Nov 1899 Madison Co., KY VII. Leroy M. Sowers b. 25 lApr 1855 Floyd Co., VA VIII. Lorenzo J. Sowers b. abt 1857 VA IX. Paris S. Sowers b. 14 May 1860 Floyd Co., VA X. Florence Sowers b. 24 Apr 1864 m: 22 Jun 1882 Madison Co., KY + William Hayes b. abt 1859 KY A. Calvin Hayes b. abt 1891 KY B. Sherman Hayes b. abt 1895 KY C. Nellie Hayes b. abt 1903 KY D. Gladys Hayes b. about Jan 1909 KY XI. Octavia Howard Sowers b. 12 Mar 1865 Floyd Co., VA Much of this information was taken from census records. Some marriage dates and death dates were taken from info provided by researchers on the intrnet. Any additional information and/or corrections would be greatly appreciated. I am second great grand nephew of Joel Sowers. John in Lawrence, KS researching Sowers, John, Miller, Booth. Eller, Sargent and other related families. [email protected] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006

Some of the letters on this website will be of interest to historians and genealogists (who are family historians) _http://www.tngenweb.org/tnletters/ky/_ (http://www.tngenweb.org/tnletters/ky/) E.W.Wallace

Good Morning. I am looking for more information/parentage regarding Isaiah BURRIS. I know he married Rachel BARKER 22 October 1801 Clark County, Kentucky. I know via DNA studies that he is related to the BURRIS line from Madison County, Ky. He and Rachel immigrated to Wayne County (now Ripley County) Missouri before 1830. Does anyone "know" this branch of the BURRIS family from Madison County? Thanks, Kathy Moore

A number of persons from North Carolina settled in Madison Co., KY. No doubt they were encouraged by the settlement of Boonesborough and perhaps had purchased property from Col. Richard Henderson and his Transylvania Co. I am puzzled about two Williams males, Joseph and Daniel Williams, of early Caswell Co., NC. Their parents were Henry Williams and his wife Elizabeth, who had migrated from Southside Virginia to Orange Co., NC, part of which became Caswell Co., NC in 1777. Joseph Williams is fairly well identified in deeds of Caswell Co., NC to have migrated to Madison Co., KY. His elder sister, Ursley Duke Williams, the widow of Peoples and the now wife of Richard Ready-Money Oldham had migrated to Madison Co. soon after their marriage in Caswell Co. Here are some notes I have accumulated over the years. If anyone can identify Daniel Williams of Madison Co. as being a former resident of Caswell Co., NC, please contact me. There is circumstantial evidence but insufficient to positively identiy Daniel. Daniel Williams was named for his paternal grandfather, Daniel Williams, who died testate in Granville Co., NC in 1759. rtf Jan 2004 Tax lists of Madison Co., KY for 1799 and also 1788 list a Daniel Williams. Whether he is the same person cannot yet be determined. Preparer: E. W. Wallace CA Rev. Apr 1997 DANIEL WILLIAMS (ca. 1765 prob VA-?) Son of Henry and Elizabeth Williams of Caswell Co. NC. He was the eldest son of Henry and Elizabeth Williams of Caswell Co., NC. He was not yet age 21 when Henry wrote his will in 1785. By 1786, Daniel Williams is probably the one who married Ann Rice in Caswell Co. Daniel Williams & Ann Rice 5 Jan 1786, Anthony Thompson, bondsman. (K. K. Kendall, CASWELL COUNTY NC MARRIAGE BONDS 1778-1868) Daniel Williams appears on the 1786 tax list of Caswell Co. (Concerning Rice: Two of Henry Williams's daughters had married men named Rice, according to the Caswell Co. will of Henry Williams, or, more probably, the same Rice groom married two of Henry's daughters in succession--Nancy Williams and then Susannah, the latter the probable widow of Brooks. This is the probable scenario: Nancy Williams, probably the first wife of William Rice, may have died prior to father Henry's death. Nancy Williams, prior to 1788, had married William Rice, who was co-executor of Henry Williams's probate. However, it is believed Nancy died soon after the marriage, and then William H. Rice married 2nd) Nancy's widowed sister, Susannah Brooks. Rice, according to his bounty land warrant, married at least a third time. Refer to his biography. The will of Henry, however, is explicit in naming both Susannah Rice and Nancy Rice, but there is no indication that Nancy Rice was still living. The latter apparently had received previous to Henry's death approximatly 300 A of land and one negro. Several clauses devise land (300 to 340 A) and one negro to Henry's four sons and specify "equal with Nancy Rice." To Susannah Rice "Items she has already received and some livestock.") By July 1788, Daniel Williams witnessed Caswell Co. deed F-131-132 Rebeckah Berry to Hudson Berry, land on Toms & Country Line Creek. He witnessed several other deeds in Caswell Co., neighbors who lived near Country Line Creek., e.g. H-38-39, 1792. Evidently Daniel's primary residence was Orange Co., NC as deduced from Caswell Co. Deeds: DB H-171-2: 3 Oct 1792. Daniel Williams of Orange Co., NC, to John Anderson of CC, for 340 pds., 340 A on Stoney Cr being part of tract Henry Williams decd purchased of John Henslee and willed to son Daniel adj Joseph Williams. Wit: Robert Mitchell, John Layne, William Maughan. (Perhaps Robert Mitchell is a brother-in-law, but this is not proved.) DB H-370 Daniel Williams of Orange Co., NC to Elizabeth Williams for 45 pds., sale of negro girl Amey. 6 May 1794. Wit: Lancelot Johnston. (Elizabeth Williams is probably the widowed mother of Daniel, as evidenced by the deed P-100, cited below, which again names the "negro woman Amy.") DB L-35: 3 Oct 1795. Daniel Williams of Caswell Co. to Elizabeth Williams of same, for 40 pds., 100 A. on Roley's Fork adj. Joseph Williams, Nathl Williams. Wit: Charles Brookes, David Gooch. (Note: Joseph and Nathaniel Williams are probably brothers of Daniel Williams. Refer to their biographies. Elizabeth Williams is believed to be the mother of these three Williams males.) DB P-100: "Elizabeth Williams of Caswell Co. to grandchildren Elizabeth Williams, Polly Williams, Anney Williams, Rebeckah Williams, John R. Williams, Nathan Williams, and James Williams - all children of son Daniel Williams - for love and affection, gift of negro woman Amy purchased of Daniel Williams; gift to be received after death of grantor. 17 Oct 1806. Wit: Nathan Williams, Barzillai Graves." (Katherine Kerr Kendall, CASWELL CO., NC DEED BOOKS 1777-1817) We do not learn from this abstracted deed whether son Daniel Williams was still living. Some months later, Elizabeth made a gift to son Henry Williams (qv). Examination of marriage records of Madison Co., KY seem to indicate that several of the children of Daniel Williams married there. The list is given below. Daniel Williams and his mother Elizabeth must have been executors for the deceased father and husband Henry Williams (Caswell Co., NC). Henry the elder, in turn, had been executor for his deceased brother Col. James Williams. James Williams, killed at Battle of Kings' Mountain, was another son of the elder Daniel Williams, decd in Granville Co. NC. In 1795 they, Daniel Williams, Jr. and his mother, were being sued by Sarah Williams nee Lanier, executor of Joseph Williams (her deceased first husband and son of the above-named Daniel Williams of Granville Co.) and now wife of Robert Williams of Pittsylvania Co., VA, to collect and recover a judgment evidently against the estate of James Williams (brother of Henry, Col. James Williams, killed at Battle of King's Mountain). Sarah Lanier (the widow of Joseph Williams of Granville Co.) married 2nd) Robert Williams of Virginia, the cousin of her deceased husband Joseph Williams, who was a brother (not the son) of Henry Williams. Joseph Williams of Granville Co., NC, was underage when father Daniel Williams died in Granville Co. NC ca 1759, and his brother John "son of Daniel" became his guardian. Refer to Granville Co. court records. Daniel Williams of Orange Co., NC Caswell Co. NC DB H-171-172: Daniel Williams of Orange Co., NC to John Anderson of CC, for 340 pds., 340 A on Stoney Cr being part of a tract Henry Williams decd purchased of John Henslee and willed to son Daniel adj Joseph Williams. 3 Oct 1792. Wit: Robt. Mitchell, John Layne, William Maughan. In Aug 1792, Daniel Williams was one of two witnesses to DB H-199, Arthur Lovins of Orange Co. to Robert Mitchell of CC. The land adjoined William Maughan (see above deed). Robert Mitchell was witness to Daniel Williams's deed cited above. The conclusion as of Feb 2006 is that Daniel Williams (son of Henry of Caswell) lived either in Orange Co. or Caswell Co. NC. We have a theory in mid-2005 that the brothers Joseph and Daniel Williams migrated to Madison Co., KY. Proof that Joseph Williams removed to Madison Co., KY is found in deeds cited in his biography. More research of Madison Co., KY needs to be conducted. Both a Joseph Williams and a Daniel Williams appear on the 1810 and the 1820 censuses of Madison Co. KY. Tax lists of Madison Co., KY for 1799 and also 1788 list a Daniel Williams. Whether he is the same person of earlier Caswell Co. cannot yet be determined. Daniel Williams of Madison Co., KY Question: Did Daniel Williams, son of Henry Williams I, migrate to Madison Co., KY? Did he alternate his residences? His siblings, Joseph Williams and Ursley Duke (Williams) Peoples, wife of Richard R/M Oldham had migrated to Madison Co., Kentucky, and possibly another sibling, Henry Williams, had migrated to Madison Co., KY. One Daniel Williams, in Jan 1814, plus three Halley females witnessed the will of Jesse Oldham [Sr.] of Madison Co., KY. Since Jesse's son, Richard "R/M Oldham" had become the second husband of Ursley Duke (Williams) (Peoples), who was Henry's daughter and Daniel's older sister, it seems logical that a close relative would be a witness to the will. The Halley family are believed to be originally of Northern Neck, VA and are believed to have intermarried with the Oldhams and/or the Simpsons who were formerly of Northern Neck, VA. From Madison Co., KY Court Order Book, May court 1787 is the following: "Ordered that Daniel Williams be appointed Constable in ..... in this County." Struck through are these words "in the bounds of Cap. Stearnes Company." However, records of Caswell Co., NC seem to rule out this Daniel Williams of Madison Co., KY as son of Henry Williams. But, later these marriage appears in Madison Co., KY records: Leonard Dozier & Elizabeth Williams, 27 Jun 1817; Daniel Williams, bondsman; Daniel Williams, father of bride. William Ford & Anny Williams, 17 Jan 1814; Daniel Williams, bondsman; Daniel Williams, father of bride. Charles Parks & Mary Williams, 19 Nov 1814; Daniel Williams, bondsman; Daniel Williams, father of bride. Nathan Williams & Sealy Oldham, 1 Feb 1819; Daniel Williams bondsman. Certainly the names of the brides and the one groom who are identified with Daniel Williams correspond to some of the names in the Caswell Co. deed by the paternal grandmother Elizabeth Williams, which is cited above. The name of Daniel Williams appears as bondsman for these Madison Co. marriages (groom only shown): John Adams - 1808 John Burough - 1814 Thomas Crews - 1801 More research is needed of the land records and wills of Madison Co., KY. A Daniel Williams appears on the transcribed tax list of 1789 Madison Co., KY. Other Williamses who appear on that year's tax list: Edward, Henry, Isaac, Phillip, Thederick [sic], and William. Except for the name Henry Williams, none of these other Williams males match the names of the sons of Henry Williams, decd, of Caswell Co., NC. Your comments will be welcomed. Submitted by E.W.Wallace

In today's Tri City Herald, 2/19/06, is an article by Terence Day who writes a regular genealogy column. Today's title: "Beware of fraudulent genealogies." There's a web page called "More Fraudulent Lineages" at http://personal.linkline.com/xymox/fraud/anjousbu.htm A man who went by the name Gustave Anjou, b 1863, d 1942 wrote at least 305 fraudulent genealogies for which he was well paid (to write true genealogies). His real name was Gustaf Ludvig Ljungberg from Sweden. I found 18 surnames on the list which are family names I search. These fraudulent lines may not be my lines, but it does mean I will have to be extra careful (as we are suppose to be anyhow), and not incorporate any of this fraudulent information into my data. This false info has doubtlessly crept into many genealogies, even into the genealogies of people whose research I trust. Some of my names listed are: Park, Brown, Bryant, Dent, Harris, Holliday, Jack/Jacques, Lewis, Miller, Richardson, and Smith (several lines). And for Myrna: Ormond. Thought you might be interested. Check out the above link. Wanda For Freedom's Sake, Love God. Love America.

There are Gentry's related to the Tribble and Boone families in Madison County in early 1800's. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: MADKY-D Digest V06 #12

Hi, I met a lady last night and found out she was a Gentry before marriage. Her family was from the Madison Co. Ky. area. Her grandfather, James B. Gentry married Carrie Coyle in Madison Co. Ky. Before 1910, they moved to Wayne Co. Indiana and then to Henry Co. Indiana. On the 1910 census, it shows James B. was married 2 times. No record of the previous marriage. If anyone has info on this family or know who James B. Gentry connects to, please let me know. Below is what I have found so far. Thanks, Norma Kentucky Marriages, 1851-1900 Record Name: JAMES BAILEY GENTRY Spouse: CARRIE B. COYLE Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1897 County: Madison State: KY 1900 Estill Co. Ky - Forks - Dist 26 #210/210 James Gentry, head, b. Oct. 1862, age 37, m. 3 yrs, KyKyKy, farmer Carrie, wife, b. Jan. 1878, age 22, m. 3 yrs, 1 ch 1 liv., KyKyKy Virgil, son, b Nov, 1898, age 02, KyKyKy 1910 Wayne Co. In - Jackson Twp - Dist. 172 #283/300 James B. Gentry, head, age 47, m.2x, m. 13 yrs, KykyKy, farmer, general farm Carrie, wife, age 31, m. 1x, 13 yrs, 7 ch 6 liv., KyKyKy Virgil,son, age 12, KykyKy Baren, son, age 04, KyKyKy Willie A., dau, age 06, KyKyKy Hoyt?, son, age 04, KyKyKy Jesse Earl, son, age 03, InKyKy Mary Ellen, dau, age 1/12, InKyKy 1930 Henry Co. Indiana - Liberty - Dist. 28 #294/300 James B. Gentry, head, age 67, m. KyKyKy, farmer Carrie, wife, age 49, m. at 18, KyKyKy Buren, son, age 29, KyKyKy, auto mechanic in a garage Jessie E., son, age 23, InKyKy, grinder, tool factory Luthur D., son, age 16, In/KyKy Oliver P., son, age 13, InKyKy Vera, dau, age 09, In/KyKy Alta M., dau, age 4 11/12, InKyky