I am new to this list and am searching for any information on Daniel Boone Claypool, born June 3 1858 in Boonesboro KY. The above is from his death certificate. He was not related to our family in any way, but when he was elderly, he came to live with us and became a special person in our lives. His wife, small son and daughter had been killed in a tornado. Would like to have census records as well as a marriage record. He was my "Uncle Dan" and I named my youngest son for him. Thanks in advance Glenda

Hi Sherrie, Thank you so very much for writing. I have spent most of the day...touring thru the KY sites that you had included. As much as I knew all ready, regarding KY's history, this added...much more info and a lot more to my understanding.*S* Unfortunately...the first URL...where you found two Samuel RICE's ...neither one appears to be mine. :o( The fellow listed there...for the Revolutionary War..is based on his pension record and his dob appears to be 1760. That dob makes me think that he was probably Samuel Squire RICE, son of Michael RICE [who d. Goochland Co. VA] - grandson of Samuel RICE [who d. King Wm Co. VA]. Because of this...I took the time to post a comment...indicating that this may indeed be the case. We are trying to sort out the Samuel RICE's that were in early KY ...and at the moment...we know of three. Samuel RICE...[b.abt 1747]....son of Thomas RICE, Charlotte Co. VA Samuel Squire RICE...[b.1760].son of Michael RICE, Goochland Co. VA ...and our... Samuel RICE...[b.1744]........son of Samuel RICE, ...possibly a brother of Michael RICE ...but no son, Samuel, listed in father's will ...but there was a James listed We've only had one sibling's name passed down to us...."James". Considering that Colonial King Wm Co. has lost most of its records ...we're having to rely on DNA to help sort this hypothesis out. So far...we're running into lots of RICE DNA haplogroups 4 and 7, but even though those aren't our lines...we're starting to be able to sort out which group of RICE's were where. It's just slow. *S* The Samuel [b.1760]'s the first point where I could post...to start doing the sorting out these Samuel RICE's. *S* As much as we 'know'...by family tradition...that our Samuel was involved as an Indian Scout, in the Rev War, we have never found any records for him...that were provable as solely his. There's no pension record...because he d. 1813 LA. Our Samuel RICE [b.1744] apparently never applied...nor did Sarah [his widow] nor either of his sons on his behalf. I honestly don't think Sarah, or John, or Samuel Russell...knew that they could apply and if they did, they may not have known enough of his VA and KY Militia activities to provide enough information. It's only thru our own research...that we know of... Barnet, Logan and The Falls of Ohio. As that was not in our handed down traditions ...and we're still trying to figure out if that Samuel was actually ...our Samuel RICE. To date...we have not found an application...which in itself...is very frustrating....if the only records that will ever be found ...are those that only cover pension applications. What we're looking for...is Samuel's actual service record...and it may no longer exist. Sadly...right along with so many other fellows who deserve to be given the credit for their Rev War activities and/or their early KY frontier efforts. Lisa ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 6:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Ky Militia Corn Island Lisa, I am sending the following links. Hope one of them helps you. If you have any further info on your family, I might be able to look further. Let me know. http://userdb.rootsweb.com/military/ Found Samuel Rice listed twice. Pvt. 7th Infantry and Pvt VA Military http://www.kdla.ky.gov/resources/kygrclark.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Island_(Kentucky) http://www.geocities.com/naforts/ky.html#nelson1 http://kdl.kyvl.org/html/kdl/timeline.htm I got the following note from another list. Perhaps the Filson website could help you also. There's a card index to the collection in the manuscript department at the Filson. The staff would probably research that for a fee. Check their website: www.filsonhistorical.org. Betty Darnell Sherrie Childers -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 4/13/2006

Hi Lisa, I have had my DNA tested to 24 loci and I am a group 4 Southern Rice. I have good documentation back to the Charles Rice that died in Madison County in 1809. That is why I am so interested in him. The problem is that all the documentation I can find says that Charles was the son of Peter Rice from the Edmund Rice line. Obviously this doesn't work if I am a Group 4 Rice. Do you have any clue about the Group 4 Rices in Madison County and where they came from. John Rice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Grimes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY > Good morning all, > > I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of > days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have > included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a > Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* > > At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. > > ------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. > Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare notes. > > http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 > > ------------------------ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married > Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. > I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. > Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. > They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. > Thank you, > > Sandy (gg grandaughter) > ------------------------ > > As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two > posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( > > As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim > all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. > > At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all residing > in what is now KY. Possibly more. > > I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my PC. > Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... > I no longer have any of that information. > > As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. > > As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who > lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: > > Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] > m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, > d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX > CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] > m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON > d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] > m. Tabitha [__?__] > > m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS > d/o unknown > CH: none > > m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] > d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL > CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line > m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL > > I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed > with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out > there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not a > brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. > > The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their > separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's moved > to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family > knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now > Boone Co. MO. > > Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are > definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. > > To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! > > What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now > identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back to > atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that are > almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. > > Here's where to find this information... > > The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: > http://www.ftdna.com > Put RICE in the surname search. > There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* > > The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: > Edmund RICE > > We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and > inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of > RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. > Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. > > Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in early > KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. > > The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. > I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* > > IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I > would very much like to encourage you to do so. > > Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you > want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By joining > the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have > wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. > > There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when > the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly transcribed...or > assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. > So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. > > My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. > Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. > My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. > Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. > > DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. > DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. > > In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some > technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded > information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it > all wrong. > > IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the > base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have suffered > way too many...misleading incorrect connections. > > At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information denotes > the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. > > I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of > language, definitely before written language of any kind and before > surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. > > That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a > little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* > > As I understand the DNA testing levels; > 12..."primordial ooze" > 25...15-25 generations > [only available with a Surname Project] > 37...8-14 generations > 59...current to 8 generations > > Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, > > Lisa Grimes > ...actively researching RICE in early central KY > ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006 > > > ==== MADKY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) as the only text in the body of a message to [email protected] (mail mode) or [email protected] (digest mode). >

Hi Mike, Thank you for writing. *S* ----------- -----Original Message----- From: Mike McCollum [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:01 AM To: Lisa Grimes; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY I am very interested in this line as well as I believe I have a link. My McCollum family settled in early Ky (Garrard, Madison, Clay Co's) and left about 1819 for Chariton Co, Mo. My Gr Gr Grandfather, Abe Rice, b. in 1805 parts unk (probably Ky) was married to Susan Baker b abt 1812. Reason I believe I have a connection is because of some other related family names listed below (Morris, Cox). I've been stuck on Abe Rice for quite some time and wondering if anyone might have a connection to him. Thanks Michael D. McCollum Researching Surnames: McCollum,Hamm,Craigg,Penrod,Rice,Slater, Baker,Wharton,Day,Peebles,Sackett,Hatch,Skinner Personal Web Site: http://mikemccollum.home.mchsi.com McCollum Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/McCollum Hamm Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/Hamm ----------- I sure wish...that I could claim your Abe RICE...but at this time this just doesn't look like a connection to my line. :o( Following down the line from Abe...do you know of any RICE males that could participate in the RICE Surname DNA Project?? If so... then that might give you the best idea as to where to look further. The COX connection is thru Hezekiah MOSBEY m. Elizabeth COX. Neither of whom were ever in KY. These two are the parents of Agnes MOSBEY who was the first wife of Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]. Samuel & Agnes m. 1772 VA, John was b. 1773 VA, and Agnes d.1774 VA. Samuel RICE did remarry and his 2nd wife died in that same year. Then in 1777...he re-married one more time to my Sarah STRATTON and within 2 years they were out of eastern VA and in Lincoln Co. VA ...to what is now KY. In about 1820...John RICE, eldest s/o Samuel R. RICE, moved his wife and their family to what is now Boone Co. MO. A couple of his elder sons had taken a trip to there, from Warren Co. KY, and liked it. One place for you to research for your COX connection...is in the area of what are now Chesterfield, Henrico, Powhatan and Cumberland Counties. Don't be too surprised to find that COX is linked to many in those areas and that does include both MOSBY and STRATTON. As to just how many COX lines are in Colonial VA...I have no idea. I haven't done too much digging on that surname. That is not yet. I am going to have to sometime in the future. *S* Wishing you lots of success, Lisa --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Grimes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY > Good morning all, > > I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of > days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have > included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a > Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* > > At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. > > ------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. > Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare > notes. > > http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 > > ------------------------ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married > Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. > I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. > Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. > They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. > Thank you, > > Sandy (gg grandaughter) > ------------------------ > > As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two > posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( > > As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim > all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. > > At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all > residing > in what is now KY. Possibly more. > > I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my > PC. > Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... > I no longer have any of that information. > > As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. > > As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who > lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: > > Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] > m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, > d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX > CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] > m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON > d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] > m. Tabitha [__?__] > > m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS > d/o unknown > CH: none > > m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] > d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL > CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line > m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL > > I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed > with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out > there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not > a > brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. > > The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their > separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's > moved > to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family > knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now > Boone Co. MO. > > Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are > definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. > > To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! > > What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now > identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back > to > atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that > are > almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. > > Here's where to find this information... > > The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: > http://www.ftdna.com > Put RICE in the surname search. > There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* > > The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: > Edmund RICE > > We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and > inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of > RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. > Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. > > Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in > early > KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. > > The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. > I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* > > IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I > would very much like to encourage you to do so. > > Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you > want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By > joining > the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have > wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. > > There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when > the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly > transcribed...or > assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. > So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. > > My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. > Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. > My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. > Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. > > DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. > DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. > > In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some > technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded > information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it > all wrong. > > IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the > base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have > suffered > way too many...misleading incorrect connections. > > At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information > denotes > the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. > > I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of > language, definitely before written language of any kind and before > surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. > > That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a > little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* > > As I understand the DNA testing levels; > 12..."primordial ooze" > 25...15-25 generations > [only available with a Surname Project] > 37...8-14 generations > 59...current to 8 generations > > Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, > > Lisa Grimes > ...actively researching RICE in early central KY > ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 > ----------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 4/13/2006

I am very interested in this line as well as I believe I have a link. My McCollum family settled in early Ky (Garrard, Madison, Clay Co's) and left about 1819 for Chariton Co, Mo. My Gr Gr Grandfather, Abe Rice, b. in 1805 parts unk (probably Ky) was married to Susan Baker b abt 1812. Reason I believe I have a connection is because of some other related family names listed below (Morris, Cox). I've been stuck on Abe Rice for quite some time and wondering if anyone might have a connection to him. Thanks Michael D. McCollum Researching Surnames: McCollum,Hamm,Craigg,Penrod,Rice,Slater, Baker,Wharton,Day,Peebles,Sackett,Hatch,Skinner Personal Web Site: http://mikemccollum.home.mchsi.com McCollum Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/McCollum Hamm Family Web Site: http://home.mchsi.com/~jonlennon/Hamm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Grimes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: [MADKY-L] Researching RICE in very early KY > Good morning all, > > I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of > days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have > included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a > Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* > > At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. > > ------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. > Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare > notes. > > http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 > > ------------------------ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) > > Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married > Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. > I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. > Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. > They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. > Thank you, > > Sandy (gg grandaughter) > ------------------------ > > As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two > posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( > > As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim > all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. > > At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all > residing > in what is now KY. Possibly more. > > I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my > PC. > Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... > I no longer have any of that information. > > As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. > > As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who > lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: > > Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] > m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, > d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX > CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] > m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON > d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] > m. Tabitha [__?__] > > m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS > d/o unknown > CH: none > > m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] > d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL > CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line > m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL > > I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed > with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out > there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not > a > brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. > > The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their > separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's > moved > to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family > knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now > Boone Co. MO. > > Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are > definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. > > To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! > > What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now > identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back > to > atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that > are > almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. > > Here's where to find this information... > > The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: > http://www.ftdna.com > Put RICE in the surname search. > There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* > > The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: > Edmund RICE > > We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and > inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of > RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. > Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. > > Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in > early > KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. > > The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. > I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* > > IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I > would very much like to encourage you to do so. > > Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you > want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By > joining > the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have > wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. > > There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when > the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly > transcribed...or > assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. > So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. > > My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. > Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. > My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. > Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. > > DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. > DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. > > In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some > technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded > information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it > all wrong. > > IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the > base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have > suffered > way too many...misleading incorrect connections. > > At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information > denotes > the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. > > I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of > language, definitely before written language of any kind and before > surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. > > That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a > little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* > > As I understand the DNA testing levels; > 12..."primordial ooze" > 25...15-25 generations > [only available with a Surname Project] > 37...8-14 generations > 59...current to 8 generations > > Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, > > Lisa Grimes > ...actively researching RICE in early central KY > ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006 > > > ==== MADKY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) as the > only text in the body of a message to [email protected] (mail > mode) or [email protected] (digest mode). > >

Good morning all, I've been casually following the RICE discussion...of the last couple of days, and thought that you might also like to see the post that I have included below...as much as I enjoyed it. There's a very old photo of a Robert RICE...a fellow Kentuckian...online. *S* At this time...I have no idea if Robert's connected to my RICE. ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: dfarmer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) There is a picture of a Robert Rice on the web at the DeadFred website. Maybe you can contact the person who submitted the photo and compare notes. http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=47206 ------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver Dreams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: [RICE-L] Roll Call - Robert RICE (Lawrence Co., KY) Looking for parents of Robert RICE, b. VA 1831-32. He married Sarah MORRIS (aka MARRISS) 13 Oct 1853, Johnson County, KY. I have seen Samuel listed as father of Robert, but no source cited. Also, looking for burial site of Robert RICE and Sarah MORRIS RICE. They lived in Lawrence Co., KY, possibly in Blaine or Louisa. Thank you, Sandy (gg grandaughter) ------------------------ As to his connection with a Samuel RICE??? Other than the above two posts......I have no further information on this Robert RICE. :o( As to hunting RICE in the early KY era...as much as I would love to claim all of them as kin...I can't. Because they aren't one family. At my last count...there are four separate RICE lines that were all residing in what is now KY. Possibly more. I used to have several of them sorted, and with outlines for them on my PC. Courtesy of a PC crash of just a little over a year ago... I no longer have any of that information. As much as I know...I am unable to clarify...for which I apologize. As some of you all ready know...I am connected to the following RICE who lived together in what is now KY, between 1778 and about 1820: Samuel R. RICE, [b. 1744 VA] m. 1st, in VA; Agnes MOSBEY, d/o Hezekiah MOSBY m. Elizabeth COX CH: John Mosbey RICE, [b. 1773 VA - d. MO] m. in KY, Martha "Patsy" JOHNSON d/o Noel JOHNSON [d. Lincoln Co. KY] m. Tabitha [__?__] m. 2nd, in VA; Susannah WATKINS d/o unknown CH: none m. 3rd, in VA; Sarah STRATTON [b. 1757 VA] d/o William STRATTON m. Sarah McCALL CH: Samuel Russell RICE, [b. 1787 KY - d. LA]...my line m. 1819 in LA, Martha "Patsy" CAMPBELL I have been hunting this line...for a very long time, and have long teamed with several of my RICE cousins to permanently stop all of those out there...who have long claimed that the John that is noted above...was not a brother to my Samuel Russell RICE. The reason for the confusion...is the spread in ages between them, their separate mothers, as well as the fact that in early 1803 both Samuel's moved to LA and over the years...the next generation lost contact [and family knowledge] after John's line all moved [c.1820] to the area that is now Boone Co. MO. Through DNA testing...we have PROVEN beyond all doubt that they are definitely brothers and sons...of the above noted Samuel R. RICE. To say that we're dancing a jig in our glee...is an understatement! What has come as a very large surprise to us...is that we have now identified atleast THREE separate RICE family groups...that all date back to atleast the 1780's in KY. There's atleast two with naming patterns that are almost identical to our RICE family group...but they're not our kin. Here's where to find this information... The RICE Surname DNA Project[s] can be found at: http://www.ftdna.com Put RICE in the surname search. There will be a tidy list of projects that will pop up. *S* The Surname DNA project that our RICE line is detailed within is: Edmund RICE We chose to work with that project...because it is open to all RICE and inspite of the fact that we aren't connected to his New England line of RICE. Our line, by tradition, has always been linked to VA. Land records for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744] have confirmed this. Anyway...there have been several separate haplogroups identified... in early KY for RICE and these include the numbers: 4, 7, and 13. The RICE family haplogroup for Samuel R. RICE [b.1744]...is 13. I have no idea just how lucky that number 13 is--but it's ours.*S* IF...you have not all ready joined in with the Surname DNA Projects ...I would very much like to encourage you to do so. Hunt down...all of your males in the family, who carry the name that you want to identify, and ask them to join. Help them with the cost. By joining the DNA projects...you can reduce how much time and money you'll have wasted chasing the wrong family line...while hunting for your family line. There is no replacement for hard evidence, but there have been times when the hard evidence that had been found, had been mistakenly transcribed...or assimilated by earlier well meaning researchers. So whenever possible.....try to re-check...the original documents. My own VA JOHNSON line in early VA is an excellent case in point. Long have we had accepted as our progenitor......Edward JOHNSON. My own website...still has that listed and based on hard evidence. Similarly it was 'assumed' by many, that Noel JOHNSON was included. DNA has now proven that our progenitor is........Michael JOHNSON. DNA has now proven that there is no kinship with....Noel JOHNSON. In the sea of JOHNSONs in early colonial VA...'the sorting out' has some technological help. It's now causing us all to go back to the recorded information. So far...we've found two very prestigious researchers got it all wrong. IF...you do join in the projects...please test at a higher level than the base line 12 loci. The reason is that at this lowest level we have suffered way too many...misleading incorrect connections. At the 12 loci...most of us are connected...because that information denotes the part of earth we climbed out of the primordial ooze. I'm sorry to phrase it that way...but that level is pre-dating any kind of language, definitely before written language of any kind and before surnames. The 12 loci mostly indicates Africa as origin. That in itself is very nice to know...but we're all trying to sort out a little bit closer in time and that's just not close enough.*S* As I understand the DNA testing levels; 12..."primordial ooze" 25...15-25 generations [only available with a Surname Project] 37...8-14 generations 59...current to 8 generations Wishing all...success in whatever family line you're researching, Lisa Grimes ...actively researching RICE in early central KY ...RICE DNA Haplogroup #13 ----------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006

I'm new of this list and have been observing, hoping to find info that would help me in my search. My grandparents were Ben (1894-1966) and Cora Jane (Plumber, 1906-1963) Johnson. He was a carpenter, she a housewife, lived in Richmond in the 50s & 60s before their deaths. Ben was son of Foster Anderson Johnson (1862-19??) and Mary Carrie Turner (1868-19??). They lived in Kirksville in th 1900 & 1930 census. Dad, 2nd son of Ben and Cora, was born in Silver Creek in 1928. Ben and Cora had 6 children, 4 (all boys) of which reached adulthood. I have hit a wall when trying to go back any further than Foster. Any help woud be appreciated. Nancy Rogers Stillwater, OK

There was a Charles Rice in Rockcastle County, KY who worked on the railroad. His wife was Bertie Bales Rice and they would have been about 1900 era born. Since the name is the same, you might want to take this one and work back and see what you find, If I had the time at the moment, I would search but, I am dealing with family health issues. M A Hunt

Golly--Rice is such a common name in Virginia and in North Carolina, and perhaps in lots of other places. A good many early settlers of Madison Co., KY came from Virginia [naturally] and from North Carolina. Boonesborough was a scheme thought up by Col. Richard Henderson and his buddies. Col. Henderson was from Granville Co., NC, but some of the other people who were involved in Boonesborough were from nearby counties. Caswell Co., NC, formed 1777, was created from Orange Co., NC, where many of the early records are missing. A good many records of colonial Granville Co., NC have been published, and also there are a good many published abstracts of Caswell Co. Land entries and land grants of North Carolina might give some clues. Sometimes I have been lucky to find a power of attorney [generally recorded with deeds] which gives the former residence of someone, but there are no guidelines for finding such records. It might help to peruse the deed indexes [grantor and grantee] of Madison Co. in the hopes of finding some clues as to the origins of your Rice male. Here is an example of an abstract of a Caswell Co. deed which specifies Joseph Williams is now of Madison Co., KY. Joseph is one of the sons of my ancestor, Henry Williams of Caswell Co., NC, formerly of southside Virginia. By 1795, Joseph Williams, son of Henry Williams of Caswell Co., had sold some of his property as deduced from the following Caswell Co. deeds: 1795 - DB L-22-23 Joseph Williams of Madison Co., KY, to Israel Barker of Orange Co., NC, for 20 pds., 100 A on Ridge fork adj Barker. Wit: Nathan Williams, Eli Stacy. (Nathan Williams was another son of Henry Williams, deceased.) L-158 Andrew McCauley of Orange Co., NC, to James Rea of CC, for 190 pds., 304 A on N fork Stoney Cr being land formerly entered by Henry Williams decd and conveyed by Joseph Williams a legatee to McCauley adj Benjamin Cantrel, crossing Shaw's Br, Brothers, Kimbrough, Anderson, John Penix. 26 Jan 1799. Wit: Obed Florecne, Thomas Loyd. (Katherine Kerr Kendall, CASWELL COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA DEEDS BOOKS 1777-1817 [Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, 1989], p. 202) Madison Co., KY Residence Caswell Co. records indicate that Joseph, son of Henry, migrated to Madison Co., KY, where some of his kinsmen, namely his brother-in-law, Richard R/M Oldham (qv) and sister Ursley Duke (Williams) (Peoples) Oldham, had migrated. Joseph's wife is believed to be Sally Searcy, who may have been his cousin. Her mother was Lucy Searcy, widow of Bartlett Searcy. It is said that Lucy Searcy's maiden name was Williams, but this information has not been confirmed. By the way, Henry Williams had a son-in-law named William H. Rice, but that man's eventual residence was Tennessee. Good luck!!! E.W.Wallace

Original: I am looking for information on Charles Rice who died in Madison County in 1809. I am wondering where he came from and how he got to Madison County. Any information will help. Thanks. John Rice Charles Rice: Born Sept 1763 at Claremont, , Massachusetts Died before 4 Dec 1809, Madison Co, Kentucky Son of Peter Rice and Sarah Brown Rice of Brookfield, Worchester, Massachusetts. Early settler of Mad Co Ky (Lincoln Co Va). On 31 Aug 1797, Dan'l Boone of Bourbon Co Ky deeded 1/2 interest in the settlement of the Preemption of John Hart to Chas. Rice. Recorded Mad Co Ky Old Deeds Book D pg 293. Charles Rice Sr. died Madison Co Ky and HAD A WILL filed and proven in Mad Co, dated 12 Aug 1809, Proven 4 Dec 1809. NAMES WIFE, SARAH RICE AND 8 CHILDREN.. Married Sarah Bryant 11 July 1786, Lincoln Co VA now Madison Co KY Sarah Bryant Rice: Made will 15 march 1830. Noted in husbands will, that of Charles Rice, dtd 12 Aug 1809 and proven 11 Dec 1809. Names 8 children. Will of Sarah Rice, dtd 15 Mar 1830. Produced in Court, Monday, 6 Dec 1830. Names dau's Elizabeth Gillispie, Sarah Gary (or Gray), Mary Walker, Rachael Campbell. (Felt like Mary Walker would have no son.),. Names son in law, William Walker. Son, James Rice, executor. Her Mark. In presence of Samuel Turner and John Stone. Charles was supposedly a scout for Daniel Boone and the deeded land was payment for services. Sorry, but I don't remember the source for that just off hand, but have it somewhere in my other notes. For Freedom's Sake, Love God. Love America.

FWIW, I found the following marriages for a Charles Rice. Marriage Index: KY, NC, TN, VA, WV, 1728-1850 Rice, Charles Spouse : Bryant, Sarah Marriage date : Jul 11, 1786 Lincoln Co., KY Rice, Charles Spouse : Sled, Lucy Marriage date : Nov 14, 1792 Shelby Co., KY Rice, Charles Spouse : North, Mary Marriage date : Dec 21, 1785 Prince Edward, VA Looks as if the first one, above is your candidate based on the 1810 Madison Co., KY census: 1810 Federal Census, Madison Co., KY - pg 217, Sarah Rice "Chs widdow" 2 male under 10 2 female 10-16 1 male 10-16 1 female 16-26 2 male 16-26 1 female over 45 Unfortunately, that is the TOTAL extent of my data related to Charles Rice. I hope this is helpful Good luck, Barb Terhune John Rice wrote: >I am looking for information on Charles Rice who died in Madison County in 1809. I am wondering where he came from and how he got to Madison County. Any information will help. Thanks. > >John Rice > > >==== MADKY Mailing List ==== >Madison Co. KYGenWeb Page - >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymadiso/madison.html > > > > > > >

I am looking for information on Charles Rice who died in Madison County in 1809. I am wondering where he came from and how he got to Madison County. Any information will help. Thanks. John Rice

Greetings Listers; Can anyone put names with the head count of Anne Reace in the 1810 census? Could this be Nancy Anne Rees who married a John Reace 1809 in Clark, KY? Thank you for your time, Don Hayes.

I'm writing in response to the message from The Hensons requesting information about the children of Richard and Ann (Pepper) Oldham, and the marriages of the children of Josiah and Milly (Oldham) Collins. First of all, I have a request: Do you know how I could obtain a copy of the pages from the French Tipton Papers that you cite? I have good evidence that Albert G. Collins was (as your information states) a son of Josiah and Milly, but I'd really like to have an even more authoritative source for this. According to W.H. Miller's HISTORY AND GENEALOGIES... - and I realize from reading E.W. Wallace's postings that this work is sometimes unreliable about the Oldhams - the children of Richard and Ann (Pepper) Oldham were: William Oldham, who first married Sallie Gilbert on Oct. 19, 1809, and after her death the widow Susannah Anderson (Reid) Moberley, on Oct. 30, 1826; Zerah Oldham, who married Amelia Collins [Miller first says on Dec. 24, 1839, but this can't be right, and he later says "about 1807"]; Hezekiah Oldham, who married Frances Oldham on Nov. 26, 1795; Samuel Oldham, who married Poly White on Aug. 8, 1797; Moses Oldham, who married Ann White on Nov. 10, 1796; Richard Oldham, who married Sallie Williams on Nov. 3, 1824. Ann Oldham, who married Joseph Collins on Sept. 14, 1809; Milly Oldham, who married Josiah Collins; Edith Oldham, who married Jesse Cobb; ---- Oldham, who married Mr. ---- McClean. My information regarding the marriages of the children of Josiah and Milly (Oldham) Collins is as follows: Albert G. Collins (born not in 1804, but on Sept. 12, 1803 - he must have been the oldest of Josiah and Milly's children) married Permelia Foster on June 1, 1831, in Clark County. [Albert and Permelia are my great-great-grandparents. They moved to Missouri in 1838, then to Dallas, Texas, in 1846. They were highly-regarded citizens there, but three of their sons became involved with the Sam Bass gang. There's a possible connection to the Chenault family of Madison County: Martha E. Collins, one of Albert and Permelia's daughters, married James Chenault in Dallas on July 15, 1858. Two of the Collins children, and two Chenault children, are buried in what was known as the "Collins-Chenault" cemetery. After James Chenault's death, Martha married J. E. Ervay.] Joel Collins married Elizabeth Palmer on Jan. 24, 1831, in Clark County. Paulina Collins married Richard Davis on March 16, 1826, in Madison County; Louisa Collins married Sterling Wood on Jan. 25, 1831, in Madison County; Jeremiah Collins married Frances Reid on Aug. 1, 1839, in Madison County, and after her death married Polly Ann Lane, on Sept. 25, 1848, in Clark County; Elizabeth "Betsy" Collins married Robert D. Kidd on Oct. 8, 1832, in Madison County; Ann Collins married Joseph Huls on Sept. 25, 1839, in Madison County; he was apparently dead by 1850, and in about 1855 she married Webber Sale, presumably also in Madison County; Milly Collins married Robert Watts on Mar. 28, 1845, in Madison County.

I have microfilm of all original tax lists that exist for my people in these very early Dist of KY, VA, since these famiies were already there before the first "reconstructed" lists were made. The District of KY records from 1780 to 1782, are very scarce; Jillson published a Bibliography very early,calling attention to the errors in many of the old books, created by old "historians" quoting each other - both wrong. That's why I read only the recorded documents. My Andersons and Wallaces, all Scots, apparently were not too limited by lack of official congregations in early KY. There were "magistrates" appointed to perform marriages in the early Forts (Stations) by 1778 (maybe before, since the true American rights of Civil Marriage were done in The City of Baltimore and Philadelphia). The itinerant, self-appointed "preachers" performed early marriages in Boonesborough, in 1779 and 1780. Out in that wilderness, anyone saying he could perform marriages, with whatever cre! dentials, was accepted. The earliest records of authenticated Presbyterian Minister James Crawford, start in 1787 in the area all around Lexington (and across KY River into Madison) available on LDS microfilm of the Draper Manuscripts, Shane Papers, James Crawford Records. The obvious first place to look for people is on the annual "tithe list" (tax) which existed in early counties (pre-Rev War). My earliest LDS film of tithes is 1777 Auigusta Co VA (now W. VA, etc), with the men convenienty put into Militia Companies. Lots of good resources to search out there. Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

I do a lot of research in colonial Virginia counties, and let me assure you - there were a LOT of Wallaces in early Virginia. I am told that Catholics were not tolerated in Virginia where the Anglican church was the STATE church. Do the land patents of Virginia which are on the Library of Virginia website give you any clues? At times I have used what is called the 1787 Census of Virginia (three vols. compiled by Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love) to locate families in both Virginia and Kentucky. Some who had personal property in Kentucky still retained personal property in Virginia, and you may find Wallaces in both KY and VA. VA still claimed KY in 1787. It is worthwhile taking a look at that so-called census and locating counties (and adjacent counties) where Wallaces were concentrated. I recommend photocopying the pages in the 3rd volume (the index to the preceding two volumes) and then determining in what counties your people were clustered and look for records for all those whom you consider likely candidates. The nice thing about these personal property tax lists is that they are broken down by counties, and some counties had three separate tax lists. Tax lists were generally done in certain geographic areas, so you may assume that all those listed on say, List B, are more or less neighbors. Also, in studying early records of old Rowan Co., NC (which at one time was ALL of western NC) I discovered a large group of Scottish Presbyterians were setting up a church there. (I was looking for Moravians and some Marylander ancestors who intermarried with some of the *slipped* Moravian daughters.) I suspect your Wallaces could have migrated to KY from one of these colonies: Virginia (logical), Pennsylvania (a lot of so-called Scots Irish migrated from the then western part of PA to Shenandoah Valley and thence to KY), or North Carolina. A few may have drifted in from Maryland. A lot of Marylanders drifted down to western North Carolina so you may want to take a look at lots of Maryland books for colonial era. Sometimes you can use the first names [not always a good technique] of men to discover their ancestors. Oh, yes, if your people were Scottish, you may find that their wives sometimes give their maiden names in records, especially deeds when the land may have belonged to the wife's family. Good luck with your Wallaces!!!! E.W.Wallace

Josiah Collins, born 7 Nov 1778, in Halifax County, VA. He traveled with his parents, Stephen Collins and Catherine McHendree Collins to Kentucky about 1779. Josiah Collins married Amelia "Milly" Oldham in Madison County, KY 25 Nov 1802. Milly was the daughter of Richard Oldham and Ann Pepper Oldham. Josiah & Milly had 9 children: Joel Collins b. 1803; Albert G. Collins b. 1804; Paulina Collins b. 1808 married Richard Davis; William C. Collins; Louisa Collins; Jeremiah V. Collins born 1814; Elizabeth "Betsy" Collins born 1 Oct 1817; Ann Collins, born 1821; and Millie Collins born 1829. Josiah Collins was a minister in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), a slave owner, and farmer. He died 18 April 1871 in Madison County. Amelia/Milly died 21 March 1864. Most of my information comes from these sources: 1. French Tipton Papers, Book Z, pp 137, 138 2. Prewitt, Richard A. "The Collins Book", p. 55, 57, 60, 61 My questions: 1. Does anyone have any dates of marriage or spouses for the Collins children? 2. Does anyone have any names of other children for the Richard Oldham/Ann Pepper family?

Madison & Garrard Lists: I am curious if anyone is researching the above-captioned couple? Does anyone know who their parents were and if they had any children? Did this couple stay in Madison/Garrard County or migrate elsewhere? My curiousity in this couple has to do with the fact that in 1829, someone named Henry Williams and listed as being of Chariton Co., MO, sold 160 acres of land situated in Randolph Co., MO to my ggg grandfather James Alexander. I am wondering if this could be the "same" Henry Williams who married Betsy Alcorn. My interested is further piqued by the fact that the supposed father of James Alexander was Samuel Alexander who left a will in Mecklenburg Co., NC in 1784 in which one John Alcorn was a witness. I am wondering if James Alexander may have been related to the Alcorns somehow (his mother Sarah Alexander moved to the Paint Lick Creek section of Madison Co., KY by 1789 and I have been trying to figure out what brought her as a widow with seven young children to the area). Thanks! David Brown

Madison & Garrard Lists: It is stated in some of the historical notes of Garrard Co., KY as well as passed down through oral history that my gggg grandfather Timothy Logan moved to Kentucky with the Boone family, and married as his first wife Sarah Boone, a supposed niece or cousin to Daniel Boone. Unfortunately, no marriage record has been found and many believe it may have been destroyed in Fayette County, KY when the courthouse burned there around 1805 (the marriage supposedly occurred around 1783 or 1784). Timothy Logan married two more times after Sarah Boone died, which was around 1791 or 1792 -- secondly to Sarah Alexander in Madison Co.,KY in 1793, and lastly to Sarah Smith in 1810 also in Madision Co., KY. It is thought by some that this Sarah Boone may have been a daughter of Josiah Boone and Hannah Hite. I am hoping the Lists may have some other clues or can offer some sort of assistance in resolving this puzzle. As I mentioned, I haven't found much of anything to support the contention that Timothy Logan married into the Boone family. However, an obituary for Elizabeth Serilda (Alexander) Lynch as well as a biography for her husband Neptune Lynch (they were married November 13, 1845 in Randolph Co., MO) both mention the relationship to Daniel Boone (I am attaching them for your information -- see below). Both articles were generously shared with me by Nancy Eastis, a descendant of this couple. As a background, Elizabeth Serilda (Alexander) Lynch was a granddaughter of Timothy Logan -- her mother Elizabeth Logan was a daughter of Timothy Logan and married James Alexander in 1804 in Garrard Co., KY. Interestingly, another daughter of James Alexander and Elizabeth (Logan) Alexander was Sarah "Sallie" Alexander who married Joel Hubbard in Garrard Co., KY and they are the maternal great-grandparents of General Omar Bradley, one of our last-living 5-star generals. So, if this Boone connec! tion could be proven, then it would also be shown that General Omar Bradley is himself a Boone descendant! Finally, with regard to the information shared below, I know many obits. and biographies state relationships to Daniel Boone and it is quite often not true. However, in this case, I feel very strongly that there is a relationship and hope to prove it! Thanks in advance for your assistance! David Brown Plainsman Obituary Died-At her home near Plains, Tuesday morning, June 28, 1904, Mrs. Neptune Lynch, Sr., age 82 years. Mrs. Lynch was born in Garrett county Kentucky, March 5, 1822. Her maiden name was Elizabeth Serilda Alexander. Her father, James Alexander, moved to Howard county, Missouri, when she was four years of age, where she grew to womanhood. At the age of 22 she was married to Neptune Lynch, Sr., and remained in the same county until 1862, at which time with her husband and family crossed the plains to Boise City, Idaho, where they remained for four years and came to Montana, going to Helena. In the spring of 1870 the settled at Plains, and has resided here ever since. Mrs. Lynch was one of the pioneers in the full sense of the word, having been born in Kentucky when it was a wilderness, moved to Missouri with the first white settlers of that state and thence coming to the Rocky mountain regions and experiencing the hardships incident upon the building up of a new country. She was a lineal descendant of Daniel Boone and inherited the brave heart and noble character of her antecedents. In her pioneer experience she saw many blood-curdling event. At one time eleven men were killed one-half mile from their train, and the train was surrounded but not attacked for some cause or other. The Indians were not the only danger the pioneers had to face, for at that time Idaho and Montana were overrun with white desperadoes who were attracted to this country by the discovery of gold. She witnessed the events which purged the country of that class of people. She was one of those cool, self reliant, courageous women, and she lived to see Montana embraced by civilization, law and order. She was always contented, never worried at misfortune and gracefully accepted conditions as they came, was always optimistic, looking at the future from the bright side. She was devoted mother and a loving wife. She was the mother of five children, three of which are living and were present to see her laid away. During her life honesty, kindness and charity were her religion, but before! the end came she embraced the Catholic faith. The funeral service was held from the house conducted by Rev. Father Mackin, and the remains were laid by the side of her husband in the burial plot just above her home. History of Montana, 1921 Neptune Lynch, whose record as a pioneer is properly told in this work, was born in County Galway, Ireland, in 1824, and acquired all his education before leaving his native land. He came to this country at the age of fourteen and leaving Castle Garden rode horseback across half the continent, at a time when there were no railroads, to Roanoke, Howard County, Missouri. There he made his home with his Uncle Lynch to the age of twenty. He then married Miss Elizabeth S. Alexander. They became the parents of five children: Charles A. , who is a resident of Kalispell, Montana, and has three sons; James D., who died in Calgary, Canada, thirty years ago; Neptune, Jr., who died at Plains twenty years ago, leaving two daughters and one son; Mrs. Elizabeth Lee Grinnell, who died in Spokane eleven years ago; and Mrs. Mary Lynch Boyer, a resident of Plains, and proprietor of the Hotel Northern of that city. In 1849, leaving his wife and two children with his uncle in Missouri, Neptune Lynch went by way of Panama to California, and remained in the far West six years. Returning to Missouri, after settling his uncle's estate he gathered his family around him, and in 1860 started again for the setting sun. His first location was at Denver; in 1862 he removed to Boise, Idaho, and in 1866 came to Montana, first locating at Helena, and for two years farming near the present site of Townsend. In the spring of 1870, following the Cedar Creek gold excitement, he joined that stampede and in November came to "Horse Plains," now Plains. Here he followed farming and stock raising the rest of his life. The family in the early days had frequent troubles with Indians, and endured many other hardships. One time the household was confined to an unvarying diet of potatoes for three weeks, and were thankful for that. There were no schools nor churches, but despite the lack of such advantages the ! Lynch home was a very happy one. Neptune lynch was a democrat in politics and a Catholic in religion. For several years while living in Missouri he studied medicine with Doctor Blake in that state. He obtained a knowledge that was useful to him and his family and to the entire community in Montana. He was able to handle all ordinary cases of illness in his own family, and was the doctor and nurse for all the people who lived in Plains during the seventies and eighties. In 1893, Mr. Lynch was in a railway accident, losing his left leg just below the knee, and suffered a great deal and was never quite the same strong man afterward. He was a rugged character, strong, kindly, sympathetic and greatly beloved by all who knew him. His generosity caused him to divide all that he had. His death occurred May 25, 1898, as a result of pneumonia, and his widow, who survived him six years, died of the same disease. Her people were Kentuckians, and she was born in that state, going with her family at the age of four years to Missouri. She was a great-grandniece to Daniel Boone. Her grandfather's name was Sidney Logan (note by David Brown -- should be Timothy Logan) and her father's name John Alexander (note by David Brown -- her father was James Alexander, but she did have a brother named John Alexander who happens to be my gg grandfather). Neptune Lynch served for a number of years as postmaster at Plains, finally resigning that office in 1883.

I have a question about the filmed record at SLC -- when I was there trying to sort out my BENTLEY family -- like who is the father of William BENTLEY d 1848 married to China BATTERTON -- the deed books Vol 18 through 28 were missing from the films. There is an excellent index of all the deed, both grantor & grantee -- but those volumns are missing. Are they missing from the Madison County courthouse as well. If so, then what. I think the only way I can figured out whose William father is by sorting the land. Thanks for your help, Mary in South Dakota but searching in Kentucky. Family interests - DAVIS/BENTLEY/BATTERTON/HENLINE/HODGES -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 11:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MADKY-L] Chenault Famly of Madison Co., KY For those interested in the Chenault family and some of their spouses of Madison Co., KY, use this URL _http://www.library.eku.edu/collections/sca/manuscripts/chenault.pdf_ (http://www.library.eku.edu/collections/sca/manuscripts/chenault.pdf) I quickly looked over this *family group sheet* and I have some questions about the validity of the dates--and even some of the spouses who are listed. As usual, take most abstracts from books and the internet with a grain of salt and check them against the records. Madison Co. deeds are excellent for determining family relationships, and so are probates. Tax records and court records are also very helpful. The Family History Library in Salt Lake City has a good collection of films of Madison Co., KY. As for books, Bill and Kathy Vockery of Richmond, KY abstracted and published the marriage records of Madison Co. Also, they collected and published a lot of tombstone inscriptions [cemeteries]. Jackie Couture has published some abstracts of court order books A & B of Madison Co. One of my ancestresses, Nancy Harris nee Oldham, widow of Overton Harris [d. testate 1827] married ca 1837 Anderson Chenault. That marriage is not listed. It was a second marriage for each. (In fact, Nancy Harris had a pre-nuptial agreement drawn up, although it was not recorded until about a year after the marriage.) Furthermore, a Waller Chenault married earlier Tillitha Harris, one of the daughters of the above named Nancy Harris. A descendant of this couple has posted some information on the internet. Here is his URL _http://members.tripod.com/~labach/wchenaua.htm#s1_ (http://members.tripod.com/~labach/wchenaua.htm#s1) Perhaps there was another Waller Chenault. Do not assume all persons with the same name are one person!!! Only one land patent in Virginia is listed for a Chenault--William Chenault in 1771 in Bedford Co., VA. E.W.Wallace a descendant of Mrs. David Chenault's sister--Frances Tandy Tribble Stoner (later Mrs. Thomas Chilton) ==== MADKY Mailing List ==== Stuck on one of your Madison Co. ancestors? Can't get any help if you don't post! Post today!