Terry, Don't discount Hormisdas Lambert yet. Often the French-Canadians names more then one child with the same name, even if the first child was still alive. They would often call one by one name and the other child by another but sometimes the wrong one is listed (I know because of the age-example; mine was a Florence Rosalie who had two daughters named Florence Rosalie-one went by Florence, one by Rosalie but a few times Rosalie is listed as Florence-they were born 10 years apart so I can tell who is who. I know it gets very confusing. Depending on who gave the census information to the census taker makes a lot of difference. Original birth records will held resolve your questions. I'd also try to contact the French-Canadian group in Pawtucket, Rhode Island as they have published many of the French Catholic Church Records in New England. I'll try to get the e-mail address for you today. Have you written to the state of Massachusetts for a copy of a marriage record? They could have gotten married anywhere in Mass. or possibly Rhode Island as both had a large Irish population. Good luck in your research as your Lambert is French-Canadian and the French-Canadians have excellent records. When you get the right parents for Rose contact me again as I have a lot of experience in that area as my mother's side is 100% French-Canadian. I'll also send you later info on how to find your Ronan coming into America. Very possibly they arrived in Boston or Nova Scotia. Jim Salt Lake City On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 06:15:13 -0500 "Teddy Ronan" <[email protected]> writes: > Thank you so much for all this great info. You're right, I missed > the > mention in the census that Michael was married first in 1907, I must > go back > and look at that again. The information on Lambert you've dug up is > wonderful! I now believe my Rose Lambert is not the daughter of > Hormisdas > and Caroline. In 1920 census they have a daughter Rose age 18 > listed. While > my Rose is listed as wife of Michael Ronan, her age 29. Seemed odd > that > someone might name two daughters the same, I figured it was possible > 2 > daughters may share a first or middle name or vice versa. You have > given me > the children of Hormisdas and Caroline, these (except for Joseph) > are all > accounted for in the census. Now, you have however found me a new > avenue of > research! Knowing that Clinton county is so close to Quebec, and > that > Hormisdas was from Quebec, I can look for his siblings. It is quite > possible he traveled with a brother or cousin to RI. You've also > provided > the name of another Church I can look into for Rose's baptismal > records. I > will write to St. Jean Baptiste Catholic Church today to see if > they have > any records of the other 'Rose'. You have given me many clues to > follow. > > Please let me know what I can do in return for your most generous > kindness > and if there were any fees or costs involved in your searching for > me, I > want to reimburse you. We need more good people like you, who are > willing > to take the extra time to help fellow researchers!!! Thank you > again. > > Teddy > > -----Original Message----- > From: James FR Morgan [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: French-Canadian in Fall River > > I'm sending this to the Fall River list in case others have this > line > (Lambert, Ethier, Ronan). > > One special note: If anyone is looking for a French-Canadian > marriage in > the United States in the 1800's and early 1900's you may fine them > is a > major film record found at the Salt Lake City Family History > Library. > This is a Quebec marriage listing that includes 80% on the > French-Canadian marriages from the United States. (I've found many > of my > Massachusetts and Rhode Island French Canadian Catholic marriages). > If > you e-mail me with the names, possible place of marriage and about > date > I'll give you the film numbers, etc. > > Here are the facts as given to me by Teddy Ronan on her Fall River > ancestors: > > She was looking for Rose Lambert and Michael Ronan. She believed > that the > earlier Ronan family members (Michael's parents) were from somewhere > in > Ireland (mentioned on 1820 & 1930 census. > > I know that Terry looked at the 1920 & 1930 census but wonder if she > caught the fact that Michael & Rose married in 1911 but Michael > Ronan > states that he was married for the first time in 1907. (I assume the > first wife died). > > Rose's parents were Hormisdas & Caroline Lambert. Hormisdas was from > Canada and Caroline from the state of New York. > > This is what I found: > > In 1888 Guide Canadien-Francais de Fall River 974.485/F1 F24g lists > the > following Lamberts in Fall River: > > Hormisdas-Commis. St. Gabriel > Adelard-Commis pen: pensionne > Alexina-tisserande pen: pensionne > Marie-tisserande pen: pensionne > All at residence 6 Ashton in Fall River > (tisserande means textile weaver) > (unsure of the meaning of pensionne-may mean on a pension or invalid > for > a pension) > (St. Gabriel is in Quebec) > > In the 1905 City Directory: > > Hormisdas Lambert-insurance agent office at 44 Borden > Hormisdas Jr.-driver-boards > Joseph-spinner-boards > All of above lived at 41 Ashton > > James Ronan-fireman-boards-106 Bedford > Mary-domestic at 669 Roch > Michael-bleacher-house-165 Haffard > Michael-deck hand-boards-516 Ferry > Michael-freight handler-N.Y, N.H. & H. R.R.-boards-South Main & > Chaples > Michael P.-weaver-House 410 Ferry > Thomas F.-freight handler-N.Y., N.H. & H. R.R.-house 3 Palmer > William-deck hand-house-516 Ferry > > N.Y., N.H. & H.R.R. means New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad > > Hormisdas Lambert and Caroline Ethier had a son Joseph who married > Blanche Morin on 1 July 1913 in St. Jean Baptiste Catholic Church in > Fall > River. The witnesses to the marriage were Hormisdas Lambert and > Charles > Morin. > Known children for Hormisdas & Caroline were: > > Joseph, Hector, Hormidas, Celina, Marie, Julia, Alfred & Rose > > I found the birth of Caroline as being on 4 July 1858 in Redford, > Clinton > County, New York (Clinton County borders Canada) with parents Henri > Ethier & Mary Anderson. Her sponsors were Mose Robidoux & Jeanette > Anderson (husband & wife). > > Mary Anderson's parents were Dominic Anderson & Rose Lebert. She was > born > in 1828 in Redford and died 28 March 1896 in Redford, Clinton, New > York. > > Caroline had a brother Edward born 5 July 1862. Sponsors were Xavier > Gobriaut & Jeannette Anderson. > > Henri Ethier's parents: a. Francois Ethier & Charlotte (married 9 > Jun > 1817). > > Henri Ethier was born on 8 February 1822 in Repentigny, Quebec, died > 25 > June 1905 in Redford, Clinton, New York. > > a. Francois' parents: b. Francois Ethier (born 31 October 1759) & > Marguerite Beaudon (married 5 July 1785 in L'Assomption, Quebec). > > b. Francois' parents: Paul Ethier & Angelique Charbonneau.(married > 1753) > > Paul's parents: Joseph Ethier & Angelique Labelle (married 28 > November > 1713) > > Joseph's parents: Leonard Ethier & Elisabeth Godillon (married 22 > September 1670) > > Leonard's parents: Etienne Ethier & Marguerite Sabelee of St. > Martial de > Manot, diosese of Limoges, Limousin in France. > > Elizabeth Godillon's parents: Nicolas Godillon & Marie Boulay of > Notre > Dame des Aides de Blois, diosese of Chartres, Beauce, France. > > Also: > > James (Jean) Ethier (brother of Caroline) and his wife Virginie > Renaud > had a daughter Rose A. Ethier who married Alfred Chabot on 30 May > 1906, > The witnesses were Olivier Marchand & Cyril Chabot. > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com