Hi, I agree with Jim. I have had wonderful luck in writing to the office at St. Patrick's. They usually send me a printout with all the info on the person I am requesting, which usually includes who bought the lot, who else is buried there, the date of death and date of internment and sometimes the name of the undertaker. Very helpful. My husband and I just spent 4 hours there and put 10 miles on the car driving around looking for the locations of about 25 ancestors whose gravesites I had received over time from the office. Even with that it was time consuming, as many had no stones or markers, and we had to count the lots down the rows to find them. I wish you similar good luck. Joan

Oh, thanks for the information. I'll write to that address! Jessie _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Is anyone going to St. Patricks Cemetery for a grave search? If you are, could you keep a look out for Florence Porter who died on May 29, 1977? I was wondering if there were any family graves nearby such as that of her mother Winifred Leonard Porter or father Edwin Porter? Thanks. Jessie _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

St. Patrick's is a big place and searching stones could take years; the office counter does not take oral requests for information. However, I have had excellent service by writing to them with the name and date of death; I always ask " Who is buried with XYZ". The address is 2233 Robeson Street, Fall River, MA 02720. Once you have the location of the person you seek, a physical search of nearby graves would be much easier. Jim McCarthy, Somerville, MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hardy" <bdapooh@hotmail.com> To: <mabristo-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: [MABRISTO] St. Patricks Cemetery? > Is anyone going to St. Patricks Cemetery for a grave search? > If you are, could you keep a look out for Florence Porter who died on May > 29, 1977? > I was wondering if there were any family graves nearby such as that of her > mother Winifred Leonard Porter or father Edwin Porter? > > Thanks. > > Jessie > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wrong Joseph:Not the son Of Robert D: I9286 Name: JOSEPH BROWNELL Sex: M Birth: 19 JAN 1795 Death: 19 AUG 1879 in New Bedford, Bristol, MA Note: Page 114, 214 He was a successful business man and was a member of the firm of Brownell & Ashley. He and his wife were members of the Fourth Street Methodist Episcopal Church for many years, and he was a member of the Official Board. He was highly respected and a valuable member of the community. Father: Thomas Brownell b: 16 DEC 1762 in Portsmouth, Newport, RI Mother: Mercy Shaw b: 22 MAR 1762 Marriage 1 Lydia Almy b: in of Little Compton, Newport, RI Children 1. J Augustus Brownell 2. Rebecca Brownell 3. Almina Emma Brownell b: 22 AUG 1834 in New Bedford, Bristol, MA 4. Thomas Frank Brownell b: in New Bedford, Bristol, MA

Barb, 1795 Brownell, Joseph Jan 19, 1795. The birth is listed as New Bedford. It is from a gravestone listed as The Rural Cemetery in New Bedford. He is buried with his wife Lydia Almy. I can send you a copy of the page from New Bedford Vital Records if you'd like but you will have to accept an attachment. Stefanie

I am looking for the birth record of Joseph Brownell, son of Robert and Elizabeth (Tripp) Brownell. He was born in Dartmouth in 1759. I have checked several Town Clerks with no result.

For Robert and anyone else who's interested, I have to add this bit of trivia, although it is for Plymouth and not Bristol Co. In the Duxbury VRs before 1850, you will find the birthdates of many women listed under their married surnames. It follows that not all were born in Duxbury, just as with the New Bedford gravestones. I've heard that a town clerk got a fee for each entry and got carried away, but whether that's true or not I have no idea - probably it was just an overzealousness on the part of the people who put the printed version together around 1911. It's useful, however, once you catch on to the system. I know that Mass. has a reputation for having wonderful records, and we do, compared to many other states. But I think that people from other areas of the country often have an exaggerated view of the uniformity of those records. The errors and inconsistencies make for more interesting research sometimes. Jane

Hi Rick, One of the Lists I belonged to within the past week, someone mentioned that "family photo albums" were being sold on-line ! This is just an FYI for anyone interested, but I remembered to go check them out last night and found some very nice "antique albums" up for bid. What a shame that only a few of them had a surname associated with them ! The others were full of "old photographs" which cannot be labeled as to who the people were ! But, even unlabeled, it's interesting to go look at the photos which have been posted as part of the albums ! Enjoy your week ! Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" <Rpimentel@peoplepc.com> To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] OLD BRISTOL CO. PHOTO FOUND IN TEXAS > The use of Photograph post cards was quite common and was used into the > 1930's as an inexpensive way to send pictures to relatives and friends. > I have a copy of my great grand parents and 7 of their 8 children taken > at a Fall River photo studio around 1915. The only unfortunate part is > that my grandfather was not in the photo, even so it is priceless. I > also have a photo of a great aunt taken in the 1920's which really > reflects the styles of the day. > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Epping, New Hampshire, USA > > A decendant of: > Pimentel, Teixeira, Carvalho, and Rocha >>From Sao Miguel, Acores > > -----Original Message----- > From: mabristo-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mabristo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JMJE36@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:12 PM > To: MABRISTO@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MABRISTO] OLD BRISTOL CO. PHOTO FOUND IN TEXAS > > Dear List, > > I have recently found and purchased an old cabinet card style photo in > Texas. > It is of a John A. Taylor. It is identified on the back with these > words, > "To Kittie & Hugh. From Brother, John A. Taylor". Mr. Taylor is > dressed in a > uniform. He has on a plumed hat, with a sword at his left side. He has > on > white gloves and has a mustache. This photo was taken at New Bedford, > Mass. > The photographer's name is also inscribed on the front of the card, but > it is > rather ornate, and I am not sure what the name actually may be. It also > states > it was taken at "the "Hastings Building". > > My guess is that this photo was taken in the 1890's. That is merely a > guess. > I try to save old photos when I find those precious few that are > identified. > So, if Mr. John A. Taylor is your family, or you are interested in this > > wonderful photo (it is in pristine condition), please contact me > privately at: > jmje36@aol.com. > > Thank you, Judy in TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi all, Please check out this article about a forgotten cemetery in Waltham,Ma. http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO31773/ Preserving our cemeteries is so important. Luckily, do to the efforts of a family historian this cemetery has been documented. 1,238 forgotten souls were found. Lorna

Jane, thank you for your very interesting and informative reply. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jane <jffiske@comcast.net> To: mabristo@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:02:01 PM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records Interesting questions, Robert. The records were pretty bad in the beginning - 1841 - but got better as time went on. At first, there wasn't any system for recording deaths in most towns, and somewhere in my notes I have something I copied out of a Civil War pension application, that I've used in lectures - but where it is, or which town, I don't this moment remember. Anyway, it was a statement by the town clerk of a Bristol County town, about 1870, saying that he had tried to find the names of everyone who had died in town that year, by asking around, but figured he'd probably missed some. His language was more colorful, given the period, than mine. Death records are iffy, not only for that reason, but because the person giving the information might not have had all the facts right, like parents' names, or where the deceased was born, or age, etc. If you have two dates that look as though they might be death and burial, that could be it -- but don't count on it. If there was a probate, that might help; in some RI towns the only way to find a death date is in the inventory. Incidentally, a lot of the birth and death dates for Mass. towns BEFORE 1850 are taken from gravestones, which have their own set of problems with accuracy. Half the people listed as born in New Bedford weren't - but they are buried there, so in the absence of evidence to the contrary they were listed under NB births. I think we're lucky to have what we have. I grew up in New York State, where there were no statewide records until much later. Yes, I have heard, too, that the Mass. Archives is not happy with the indexing job done for the NEHGS site, and they have put up an index of their own, but not linked to images. Defects in indexing and linking might be attributed to its having been done "off shore" but problems with dates in the originals can't possibly be attributed to that. When YOU get frustrated, just imagine how that town clerk felt, trying to remember who had died that year, let alone when! Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Akin" <robert_akin@yahoo.com> To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > Jane - thanks for the info. > > I just found another example where the same death was recorded both in Fairhaven and in Dartmouth - and the date of death was different in the two entries (one month difference). When a person died in the second half of the 19th century, was a death certificate issued and recorded by a town clerk? Could one date of death be when the person died while the other be when he/she was buried? In other words, how did the town clerk get the information recorded? And, what, in your opinion, is the strength of these vital records? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jane <jffiske@comcast.net> > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:16:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > > > Robert: > The town clerks supplied copies of their records to the State, and it's the > State copy that has been filmed. Sometimes the entry was duplicated if a > person was buried in a different town, as may be the case with Mary Aikin. > I've come across this situation fairly often in the earlier years, and often > the information is more complete in one town than in the other so it's good > to check both. > Hope this helps. > Jane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Akin" <robert_akin@yahoo.com> > To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:16 PM > Subject: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > > > > As I am sure many of you know, the NEHGS has digitized the handwritten > vital records for many towns and counties from 1841 - 1910. I consider > these excellent sources, but I am finding that some incidents are recorded > in more than one book. For example, the death of Mary S. Akin is recorded > in the New Bedford Vital Records for 18 Nov 1874. The same death of Mary > Akin is also recorded in the vital records for Gosnold, Dukes Co., MA for 15 > Nov 1874. The New Bedford records states that the place of death is > Nauchacon (probably Naushon) Island. The Gosnold record says that the place > of death is Gosnold (the town that includes all of the Elizabeth Islands). > Based on this I am reasonably certain that these two records are for the > same death. > > > > I am trying to understand the process that was used to record these vital > statistics. Does anyone know how one death can get recorded in more than > one county? > > > > Thanks for your interest. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Robert Akin <robert_akin@yahoo.com> > > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:08:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > > > > Hi Carol. I think that perhaps you didn't look close enough at the entry. > I found the entry on the NEHGS Web Site in the New Bedford Vital Records to > 1850. It says, and I quote, "1823, ALLEN, Israel, Feb. 16, 1823+[ch. > Stephen (s. Robert and Esther) and Hannah B., C.R.3. In lot with Emily H., > G.R.3.] Record Type: Birth; Town: New Bedford" > > > > So as with the data from "Vital Records of Rhode Island" by James Arnold > that I cited in my earlier posting, both sources show Israel Allen to be the > son of Stephen and Hannah B. Allen. The New Bedford record also states that > Stephen Allen was the son of Robert and Esther Allen. > > > > Robert Akin > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Carol H <choughton215@yahoo.com> > > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:24:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > > > > Hi Larry > > > > Yes I went to NEHGS and did a search in the Vital Records for Mass up > until 1850. It was listed right there. > > > > Carol Sherman Houghton > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The use of Photograph post cards was quite common and was used into the 1930's as an inexpensive way to send pictures to relatives and friends. I have a copy of my great grand parents and 7 of their 8 children taken at a Fall River photo studio around 1915. The only unfortunate part is that my grandfather was not in the photo, even so it is priceless. I also have a photo of a great aunt taken in the 1920's which really reflects the styles of the day. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA A decendant of: Pimentel, Teixeira, Carvalho, and Rocha >From Sao Miguel, Acores -----Original Message----- From: mabristo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mabristo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JMJE36@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:12 PM To: MABRISTO@rootsweb.com Subject: [MABRISTO] OLD BRISTOL CO. PHOTO FOUND IN TEXAS Dear List, I have recently found and purchased an old cabinet card style photo in Texas. It is of a John A. Taylor. It is identified on the back with these words, "To Kittie & Hugh. From Brother, John A. Taylor". Mr. Taylor is dressed in a uniform. He has on a plumed hat, with a sword at his left side. He has on white gloves and has a mustache. This photo was taken at New Bedford, Mass. The photographer's name is also inscribed on the front of the card, but it is rather ornate, and I am not sure what the name actually may be. It also states it was taken at "the "Hastings Building". My guess is that this photo was taken in the 1890's. That is merely a guess. I try to save old photos when I find those precious few that are identified. So, if Mr. John A. Taylor is your family, or you are interested in this wonderful photo (it is in pristine condition), please contact me privately at: jmje36@aol.com. Thank you, Judy in TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much for checking Elaine. Your time and effort is appreciated. I fear this is a mystery I may never solve. Gena ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] New Bedford city directories > Regena, > There are no Amaral's listed on Ancestry in the New Bedford, Massachusetts > Directories, 1887, 1889-90, none in 1893, in 1894, there is a Manuel > Amaral-laborer-34 South St. NB. Since they are in Gloucester in 1900, I > did > not check after that date. > Elaine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Regena, There are no Amaral's listed on Ancestry in the New Bedford, Massachusetts Directories, 1887, 1889-90, none in 1893, in 1894, there is a Manuel Amaral-laborer-34 South St. NB. Since they are in Gloucester in 1900, I did not check after that date. Elaine

I have for several years been trying to locate a divorce record for a Mary Florence Amaral who came to the US in 1892 with her parents Antone Amaral amd Mary S. Amaral. It is possible that the family may have lived in New Bedford for a short time prior to relocating to Gloucester in Essex Co. It seems that Mary Florence must have married about age 15 or 16 (1895-1896) It was believed per later census records, and per the spelling given by the census taker, that she married a man by the surname of FARRAR, FERREIRA and DE/DA FERREIRA/FARREIRA, also possibly FARIA or DE FARIA. They had 2 children by the name of Belle/Isobel/Isabella/Arabella (b. 1896) and Joseph (b. 1897) FARRAR according to the 1900 Gloucester, Essex Co MA census. Per the Head of Archives, MA Supreme Judicial Court I am trying to find out if this family appears in any New Bedford City Directory between 1892 and 1900. Any suggestions or ideas to try to locate Mary's family in New Bedford or the name of her 1st husband would be most appreciated. My main purpose is to learn what happened to both of the children Bella and Joseph, after Mary remaried in 1903 in Gloucester. At no time did the children appear in the census in later years with Mary ( who died in Boston in 1936), and her 2nd husband. Thank you and I hope this is a bit clearer than mud ;-) Gena Gates Lally

Dear List, I have recently found and purchased an old cabinet card style photo in Texas. It is of a John A. Taylor. It is identified on the back with these words, "To Kittie & Hugh. From Brother, John A. Taylor". Mr. Taylor is dressed in a uniform. He has on a plumed hat, with a sword at his left side. He has on white gloves and has a mustache. This photo was taken at New Bedford, Mass. The photographer's name is also inscribed on the front of the card, but it is rather ornate, and I am not sure what the name actually may be. It also states it was taken at "the "Hastings Building". My guess is that this photo was taken in the 1890's. That is merely a guess. I try to save old photos when I find those precious few that are identified. So, if Mr. John A. Taylor is your family, or you are interested in this wonderful photo (it is in pristine condition), please contact me privately at: jmje36@aol.com. Thank you, Judy in TX

Interesting questions, Robert. The records were pretty bad in the beginning - 1841 - but got better as time went on. At first, there wasn't any system for recording deaths in most towns, and somewhere in my notes I have something I copied out of a Civil War pension application, that I've used in lectures - but where it is, or which town, I don't this moment remember. Anyway, it was a statement by the town clerk of a Bristol County town, about 1870, saying that he had tried to find the names of everyone who had died in town that year, by asking around, but figured he'd probably missed some. His language was more colorful, given the period, than mine. Death records are iffy, not only for that reason, but because the person giving the information might not have had all the facts right, like parents' names, or where the deceased was born, or age, etc. If you have two dates that look as though they might be death and burial, that could be it -- but don't count on it. If there was a probate, that might help; in some RI towns the only way to find a death date is in the inventory. Incidentally, a lot of the birth and death dates for Mass. towns BEFORE 1850 are taken from gravestones, which have their own set of problems with accuracy. Half the people listed as born in New Bedford weren't - but they are buried there, so in the absence of evidence to the contrary they were listed under NB births. I think we're lucky to have what we have. I grew up in New York State, where there were no statewide records until much later. Yes, I have heard, too, that the Mass. Archives is not happy with the indexing job done for the NEHGS site, and they have put up an index of their own, but not linked to images. Defects in indexing and linking might be attributed to its having been done "off shore" but problems with dates in the originals can't possibly be attributed to that. When YOU get frustrated, just imagine how that town clerk felt, trying to remember who had died that year, let alone when! Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Akin" <robert_akin@yahoo.com> To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > Jane - thanks for the info. > > I just found another example where the same death was recorded both in Fairhaven and in Dartmouth - and the date of death was different in the two entries (one month difference). When a person died in the second half of the 19th century, was a death certificate issued and recorded by a town clerk? Could one date of death be when the person died while the other be when he/she was buried? In other words, how did the town clerk get the information recorded? And, what, in your opinion, is the strength of these vital records? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jane <jffiske@comcast.net> > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:16:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > > > Robert: > The town clerks supplied copies of their records to the State, and it's the > State copy that has been filmed. Sometimes the entry was duplicated if a > person was buried in a different town, as may be the case with Mary Aikin. > I've come across this situation fairly often in the earlier years, and often > the information is more complete in one town than in the other so it's good > to check both. > Hope this helps. > Jane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Akin" <robert_akin@yahoo.com> > To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:16 PM > Subject: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > > > > As I am sure many of you know, the NEHGS has digitized the handwritten > vital records for many towns and counties from 1841 - 1910. I consider > these excellent sources, but I am finding that some incidents are recorded > in more than one book. For example, the death of Mary S. Akin is recorded > in the New Bedford Vital Records for 18 Nov 1874. The same death of Mary > Akin is also recorded in the vital records for Gosnold, Dukes Co., MA for 15 > Nov 1874. The New Bedford records states that the place of death is > Nauchacon (probably Naushon) Island. The Gosnold record says that the place > of death is Gosnold (the town that includes all of the Elizabeth Islands). > Based on this I am reasonably certain that these two records are for the > same death. > > > > I am trying to understand the process that was used to record these vital > statistics. Does anyone know how one death can get recorded in more than > one county? > > > > Thanks for your interest. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Robert Akin <robert_akin@yahoo.com> > > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:08:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > > > > Hi Carol. I think that perhaps you didn't look close enough at the entry. > I found the entry on the NEHGS Web Site in the New Bedford Vital Records to > 1850. It says, and I quote, "1823, ALLEN, Israel, Feb. 16, 1823+[ch. > Stephen (s. Robert and Esther) and Hannah B., C.R.3. In lot with Emily H., > G.R.3.] Record Type: Birth; Town: New Bedford" > > > > So as with the data from "Vital Records of Rhode Island" by James Arnold > that I cited in my earlier posting, both sources show Israel Allen to be the > son of Stephen and Hannah B. Allen. The New Bedford record also states that > Stephen Allen was the son of Robert and Esther Allen. > > > > Robert Akin > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Carol H <choughton215@yahoo.com> > > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:24:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > > > > Hi Larry > > > > Yes I went to NEHGS and did a search in the Vital Records for Mass up > until 1850. It was listed right there. > > > > Carol Sherman Houghton > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We were recently told by a volunteer that we ran into at the Mass Archives, that at one stage of the whole process of digitizing those records, some of the work was done in Indi. The volunteers are in the process of correcting LOTS of records as a result. Joan

Jane - thanks for the info. I just found another example where the same death was recorded both in Fairhaven and in Dartmouth - and the date of death was different in the two entries (one month difference). When a person died in the second half of the 19th century, was a death certificate issued and recorded by a town clerk? Could one date of death be when the person died while the other be when he/she was buried? In other words, how did the town clerk get the information recorded? And, what, in your opinion, is the strength of these vital records? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jane <jffiske@comcast.net> To: mabristo@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:16:33 PM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records Robert: The town clerks supplied copies of their records to the State, and it's the State copy that has been filmed. Sometimes the entry was duplicated if a person was buried in a different town, as may be the case with Mary Aikin. I've come across this situation fairly often in the earlier years, and often the information is more complete in one town than in the other so it's good to check both. Hope this helps. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Akin" <robert_akin@yahoo.com> To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > As I am sure many of you know, the NEHGS has digitized the handwritten vital records for many towns and counties from 1841 - 1910. I consider these excellent sources, but I am finding that some incidents are recorded in more than one book. For example, the death of Mary S. Akin is recorded in the New Bedford Vital Records for 18 Nov 1874. The same death of Mary Akin is also recorded in the vital records for Gosnold, Dukes Co., MA for 15 Nov 1874. The New Bedford records states that the place of death is Nauchacon (probably Naushon) Island. The Gosnold record says that the place of death is Gosnold (the town that includes all of the Elizabeth Islands). Based on this I am reasonably certain that these two records are for the same death. > > I am trying to understand the process that was used to record these vital statistics. Does anyone know how one death can get recorded in more than one county? > > Thanks for your interest. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robert Akin <robert_akin@yahoo.com> > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:08:40 PM > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > Hi Carol. I think that perhaps you didn't look close enough at the entry. I found the entry on the NEHGS Web Site in the New Bedford Vital Records to 1850. It says, and I quote, "1823, ALLEN, Israel, Feb. 16, 1823+[ch. Stephen (s. Robert and Esther) and Hannah B., C.R.3. In lot with Emily H., G.R.3.] Record Type: Birth; Town: New Bedford" > > So as with the data from "Vital Records of Rhode Island" by James Arnold that I cited in my earlier posting, both sources show Israel Allen to be the son of Stephen and Hannah B. Allen. The New Bedford record also states that Stephen Allen was the son of Robert and Esther Allen. > > Robert Akin > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Carol H <choughton215@yahoo.com> > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:24:10 PM > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > Hi Larry > > Yes I went to NEHGS and did a search in the Vital Records for Mass up until 1850. It was listed right there. > > Carol Sherman Houghton > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert: The town clerks supplied copies of their records to the State, and it's the State copy that has been filmed. Sometimes the entry was duplicated if a person was buried in a different town, as may be the case with Mary Aikin. I've come across this situation fairly often in the earlier years, and often the information is more complete in one town than in the other so it's good to check both. Hope this helps. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Akin" <robert_akin@yahoo.com> To: <mabristo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: [MABRISTO] Massachusetts Vital Records > As I am sure many of you know, the NEHGS has digitized the handwritten vital records for many towns and counties from 1841 - 1910. I consider these excellent sources, but I am finding that some incidents are recorded in more than one book. For example, the death of Mary S. Akin is recorded in the New Bedford Vital Records for 18 Nov 1874. The same death of Mary Akin is also recorded in the vital records for Gosnold, Dukes Co., MA for 15 Nov 1874. The New Bedford records states that the place of death is Nauchacon (probably Naushon) Island. The Gosnold record says that the place of death is Gosnold (the town that includes all of the Elizabeth Islands). Based on this I am reasonably certain that these two records are for the same death. > > I am trying to understand the process that was used to record these vital statistics. Does anyone know how one death can get recorded in more than one county? > > Thanks for your interest. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robert Akin <robert_akin@yahoo.com> > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:08:40 PM > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > Hi Carol. I think that perhaps you didn't look close enough at the entry. I found the entry on the NEHGS Web Site in the New Bedford Vital Records to 1850. It says, and I quote, "1823, ALLEN, Israel, Feb. 16, 1823+[ch. Stephen (s. Robert and Esther) and Hannah B., C.R.3. In lot with Emily H., G.R.3.] Record Type: Birth; Town: New Bedford" > > So as with the data from "Vital Records of Rhode Island" by James Arnold that I cited in my earlier posting, both sources show Israel Allen to be the son of Stephen and Hannah B. Allen. The New Bedford record also states that Stephen Allen was the son of Robert and Esther Allen. > > Robert Akin > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Carol H <choughton215@yahoo.com> > To: mabristo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:24:10 PM > Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Israel Allen > > > Hi Larry > > Yes I went to NEHGS and did a search in the Vital Records for Mass up until 1850. It was listed right there. > > Carol Sherman Houghton > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABRISTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >