I have watched this thread with interest because my Gt.grandfather Frank SNAPE married a Julia LAROCQUE born Vermont of French Canadian parents Joseph H & Emily (Emilie TRUDEAU?) LAROCQUE. Julia was Frank's 2nd wife & as yet I haven't found their marriage but as she was RC I don't believe that they would just live together, Julia died July 21, 1894 & her Requiem was held at the Notre Dame De Lourdes Church in Fall River according to her obit. Has anyone come across this surname before? Any help appreciated. Anita. New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James FR Morgan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] RE: French-Canadian in Fall River > Terry, > > Don't discount Hormisdas Lambert yet. Often the French-Canadians names > more then one child with the same name, even if the first child was still > alive. They would often call one by one name and the other child by > another but sometimes the wrong one is listed (I know because of the > age-example; mine was a Florence Rosalie who had two daughters named > Florence Rosalie-one went by Florence, one by Rosalie but a few times > Rosalie is listed as Florence-they were born 10 years apart so I can tell > who is who. I know it gets very confusing. Depending on who gave the > census information to the census taker makes a lot of difference. > Original birth records will held resolve your questions. > > I'd also try to contact the French-Canadian group in Pawtucket, Rhode > Island as they have published many of the French Catholic Church Records > in New England. I'll try to get the e-mail address for you today. > > Have you written to the state of Massachusetts for a copy of a marriage > record? They could have gotten married anywhere in Mass. or possibly > Rhode Island as both had a large Irish population. > > Good luck in your research as your Lambert is French-Canadian and the > French-Canadians have excellent records. When you get the right parents > for Rose contact me again as I have a lot of experience in that area as > my mother's side is 100% French-Canadian. > > I'll also send you later info on how to find your Ronan coming into > America. Very possibly they arrived in Boston or Nova Scotia. > > Jim > Salt Lake City

Seeking information on Eliphalet HASKINS who served in the Revolutionary War from MA. I believe that he may have been from Freetown, but cannot find early records for Freetown that would include him. He had intentions published in Rochester, Plymouth Co., MA to Deliverance Runnels/Reynolds 15 Sept. 1766. He is listed in the Pawlet, Rutland Co., VT census for 1791. Thanks for your help in tracking down this family! Joann Nichols [email protected]

looking for the marriage of william edward mcmanus to a french canadian lady by the name of either mary louise ryder or just louise ryder. or also her name could have been watters. my grandfathers birth record says ryder. he was born 1902 or 1903. so marriage could have taken place before or after that. i've hit a brick wall on both of these names, so any help or suggestion would be appreciated. thank you in advance diana [email protected]

Thank you so much for all this great info. You're right, I missed the mention in the census that Michael was married first in 1907, I must go back and look at that again. The information on Lambert you've dug up is wonderful! I now believe my Rose Lambert is not the daughter of Hormisdas and Caroline. In 1920 census they have a daughter Rose age 18 listed. While my Rose is listed as wife of Michael Ronan, her age 29. Seemed odd that someone might name two daughters the same, I figured it was possible 2 daughters may share a first or middle name or vice versa. You have given me the children of Hormisdas and Caroline, these (except for Joseph) are all accounted for in the census. Now, you have however found me a new avenue of research! Knowing that Clinton county is so close to Quebec, and that Hormisdas was from Quebec, I can look for his siblings. It is quite possible he traveled with a brother or cousin to RI. You've also provided the name of another Church I can look into for Rose's baptismal records. I will write to St. Jean Baptiste Catholic Church today to see if they have any records of the other 'Rose'. You have given me many clues to follow. Please let me know what I can do in return for your most generous kindness and if there were any fees or costs involved in your searching for me, I want to reimburse you. We need more good people like you, who are willing to take the extra time to help fellow researchers!!! Thank you again. Teddy -----Original Message----- From: James FR Morgan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:03 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: French-Canadian in Fall River I'm sending this to the Fall River list in case others have this line (Lambert, Ethier, Ronan). One special note: If anyone is looking for a French-Canadian marriage in the United States in the 1800's and early 1900's you may fine them is a major film record found at the Salt Lake City Family History Library. This is a Quebec marriage listing that includes 80% on the French-Canadian marriages from the United States. (I've found many of my Massachusetts and Rhode Island French Canadian Catholic marriages). If you e-mail me with the names, possible place of marriage and about date I'll give you the film numbers, etc. Here are the facts as given to me by Teddy Ronan on her Fall River ancestors: She was looking for Rose Lambert and Michael Ronan. She believed that the earlier Ronan family members (Michael's parents) were from somewhere in Ireland (mentioned on 1820 & 1930 census. I know that Terry looked at the 1920 & 1930 census but wonder if she caught the fact that Michael & Rose married in 1911 but Michael Ronan states that he was married for the first time in 1907. (I assume the first wife died). Rose's parents were Hormisdas & Caroline Lambert. Hormisdas was from Canada and Caroline from the state of New York. This is what I found: In 1888 Guide Canadien-Francais de Fall River 974.485/F1 F24g lists the following Lamberts in Fall River: Hormisdas-Commis. St. Gabriel Adelard-Commis pen: pensionne Alexina-tisserande pen: pensionne Marie-tisserande pen: pensionne All at residence 6 Ashton in Fall River (tisserande means textile weaver) (unsure of the meaning of pensionne-may mean on a pension or invalid for a pension) (St. Gabriel is in Quebec) In the 1905 City Directory: Hormisdas Lambert-insurance agent office at 44 Borden Hormisdas Jr.-driver-boards Joseph-spinner-boards All of above lived at 41 Ashton James Ronan-fireman-boards-106 Bedford Mary-domestic at 669 Roch Michael-bleacher-house-165 Haffard Michael-deck hand-boards-516 Ferry Michael-freight handler-N.Y, N.H. & H. R.R.-boards-South Main & Chaples Michael P.-weaver-House 410 Ferry Thomas F.-freight handler-N.Y., N.H. & H. R.R.-house 3 Palmer William-deck hand-house-516 Ferry N.Y., N.H. & H.R.R. means New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Hormisdas Lambert and Caroline Ethier had a son Joseph who married Blanche Morin on 1 July 1913 in St. Jean Baptiste Catholic Church in Fall River. The witnesses to the marriage were Hormisdas Lambert and Charles Morin. Known children for Hormisdas & Caroline were: Joseph, Hector, Hormidas, Celina, Marie, Julia, Alfred & Rose I found the birth of Caroline as being on 4 July 1858 in Redford, Clinton County, New York (Clinton County borders Canada) with parents Henri Ethier & Mary Anderson. Her sponsors were Mose Robidoux & Jeanette Anderson (husband & wife). Mary Anderson's parents were Dominic Anderson & Rose Lebert. She was born in 1828 in Redford and died 28 March 1896 in Redford, Clinton, New York. Caroline had a brother Edward born 5 July 1862. Sponsors were Xavier Gobriaut & Jeannette Anderson. Henri Ethier's parents: a. Francois Ethier & Charlotte (married 9 Jun 1817). Henri Ethier was born on 8 February 1822 in Repentigny, Quebec, died 25 June 1905 in Redford, Clinton, New York. a. Francois' parents: b. Francois Ethier (born 31 October 1759) & Marguerite Beaudon (married 5 July 1785 in L'Assomption, Quebec). b. Francois' parents: Paul Ethier & Angelique Charbonneau.(married 1753) Paul's parents: Joseph Ethier & Angelique Labelle (married 28 November 1713) Joseph's parents: Leonard Ethier & Elisabeth Godillon (married 22 September 1670) Leonard's parents: Etienne Ethier & Marguerite Sabelee of St. Martial de Manot, diosese of Limoges, Limousin in France. Elizabeth Godillon's parents: Nicolas Godillon & Marie Boulay of Notre Dame des Aides de Blois, diosese of Chartres, Beauce, France. Also: James (Jean) Ethier (brother of Caroline) and his wife Virginie Renaud had a daughter Rose A. Ethier who married Alfred Chabot on 30 May 1906, The witnesses were Olivier Marchand & Cyril Chabot. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Can some kind soul please look up some birth annoucements in the newspaper for Arch E. Pope born 1913 in Fall River, MA. Caryl Tolin Pope born 1 nov 1914 in Fall River, MA. Russell howard Pope born 12 Sep 1917. (Parents of these children were Dr. Arch E. Pope and Mary Dolin Pope). Any info on any of the family members would be deeply appreciated. I would also appreciate any names and address of newspapers at that time. Also the name and address of the local library, genealogical or Historical society. Thank You so much. Sandy ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jane" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:42:58 -0800 >There is a fantastic amount of Wilmarth material at NEHGS by Josephine [?] >Wilmarth, done in the 1920s -- a couple of boxes full. She died before she >could publish it. I don't know how much of it was used in the 1953 >genealogy you mention. >About 15 years ago, Jim Wilmarth of Los Alamos, NM, copied much of it and >was planning to organize and computerize it, but I don't know if he ever >did. It follows many of the daughters as well as the sons. > Jane Fiske > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dale H Cook" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:32 AM >Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Need birthdate for Thomas Wilmarth > > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:45:59 -0700 "Freddie & Steve Randolph" >> <[email protected]> writes: >> >> >> > Has anybody got a good birthdate on Thomas Wilmarth? He was born >> > in the early 1600's I believe and was married to Elizabeth Bliss. I >> > have his parents listed as James Wilmarth and Elizabeth >> > Morrison/Morrisey. Would appreciate any help. I keep finding >> > him listed at various websites online but his birthdate keeps >> > fluctuating. >> >> Freddie - >> >> Given the lack of documentation and general unreliability of most >> genealogical web sites that is not surprising. I'll bet that not a single >> one of those birth dates was documented, and the parentage not documented >> either. >> >> Torrey's "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" gives no year of birth, >> which probably means that Torrey was unable to determine that year from >> the sources available in the NEHGS library. Have you consulted Elizabeth >> Wilmarth and Bessie Wilmarth Gahn, "The Wilmarth Family. Descendants of >> Thomas of Massachusetts" (1953)? >> >> Dale H. Cook >> USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Terry, Don't discount Hormisdas Lambert yet. Often the French-Canadians names more then one child with the same name, even if the first child was still alive. They would often call one by one name and the other child by another but sometimes the wrong one is listed (I know because of the age-example; mine was a Florence Rosalie who had two daughters named Florence Rosalie-one went by Florence, one by Rosalie but a few times Rosalie is listed as Florence-they were born 10 years apart so I can tell who is who. I know it gets very confusing. Depending on who gave the census information to the census taker makes a lot of difference. Original birth records will held resolve your questions. I'd also try to contact the French-Canadian group in Pawtucket, Rhode Island as they have published many of the French Catholic Church Records in New England. I'll try to get the e-mail address for you today. Have you written to the state of Massachusetts for a copy of a marriage record? They could have gotten married anywhere in Mass. or possibly Rhode Island as both had a large Irish population. Good luck in your research as your Lambert is French-Canadian and the French-Canadians have excellent records. When you get the right parents for Rose contact me again as I have a lot of experience in that area as my mother's side is 100% French-Canadian. I'll also send you later info on how to find your Ronan coming into America. Very possibly they arrived in Boston or Nova Scotia. Jim Salt Lake City On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 06:15:13 -0500 "Teddy Ronan" <[email protected]> writes: > Thank you so much for all this great info. You're right, I missed > the > mention in the census that Michael was married first in 1907, I must > go back > and look at that again. The information on Lambert you've dug up is > wonderful! I now believe my Rose Lambert is not the daughter of > Hormisdas > and Caroline. In 1920 census they have a daughter Rose age 18 > listed. While > my Rose is listed as wife of Michael Ronan, her age 29. Seemed odd > that > someone might name two daughters the same, I figured it was possible > 2 > daughters may share a first or middle name or vice versa. You have > given me > the children of Hormisdas and Caroline, these (except for Joseph) > are all > accounted for in the census. Now, you have however found me a new > avenue of > research! Knowing that Clinton county is so close to Quebec, and > that > Hormisdas was from Quebec, I can look for his siblings. It is quite > possible he traveled with a brother or cousin to RI. You've also > provided > the name of another Church I can look into for Rose's baptismal > records. I > will write to St. Jean Baptiste Catholic Church today to see if > they have > any records of the other 'Rose'. You have given me many clues to > follow. > > Please let me know what I can do in return for your most generous > kindness > and if there were any fees or costs involved in your searching for > me, I > want to reimburse you. We need more good people like you, who are > willing > to take the extra time to help fellow researchers!!! Thank you > again. > > Teddy > > -----Original Message----- > From: James FR Morgan [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: French-Canadian in Fall River > > I'm sending this to the Fall River list in case others have this > line > (Lambert, Ethier, Ronan). > > One special note: If anyone is looking for a French-Canadian > marriage in > the United States in the 1800's and early 1900's you may fine them > is a > major film record found at the Salt Lake City Family History > Library. > This is a Quebec marriage listing that includes 80% on the > French-Canadian marriages from the United States. (I've found many > of my > Massachusetts and Rhode Island French Canadian Catholic marriages). > If > you e-mail me with the names, possible place of marriage and about > date > I'll give you the film numbers, etc. > > Here are the facts as given to me by Teddy Ronan on her Fall River > ancestors: > > She was looking for Rose Lambert and Michael Ronan. She believed > that the > earlier Ronan family members (Michael's parents) were from somewhere > in > Ireland (mentioned on 1820 & 1930 census. > > I know that Terry looked at the 1920 & 1930 census but wonder if she > caught the fact that Michael & Rose married in 1911 but Michael > Ronan > states that he was married for the first time in 1907. (I assume the > first wife died). > > Rose's parents were Hormisdas & Caroline Lambert. Hormisdas was from > Canada and Caroline from the state of New York. > > This is what I found: > > In 1888 Guide Canadien-Francais de Fall River 974.485/F1 F24g lists > the > following Lamberts in Fall River: > > Hormisdas-Commis. St. Gabriel > Adelard-Commis pen: pensionne > Alexina-tisserande pen: pensionne > Marie-tisserande pen: pensionne > All at residence 6 Ashton in Fall River > (tisserande means textile weaver) > (unsure of the meaning of pensionne-may mean on a pension or invalid > for > a pension) > (St. Gabriel is in Quebec) > > In the 1905 City Directory: > > Hormisdas Lambert-insurance agent office at 44 Borden > Hormisdas Jr.-driver-boards > Joseph-spinner-boards > All of above lived at 41 Ashton > > James Ronan-fireman-boards-106 Bedford > Mary-domestic at 669 Roch > Michael-bleacher-house-165 Haffard > Michael-deck hand-boards-516 Ferry > Michael-freight handler-N.Y, N.H. & H. R.R.-boards-South Main & > Chaples > Michael P.-weaver-House 410 Ferry > Thomas F.-freight handler-N.Y., N.H. & H. R.R.-house 3 Palmer > William-deck hand-house-516 Ferry > > N.Y., N.H. & H.R.R. means New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad > > Hormisdas Lambert and Caroline Ethier had a son Joseph who married > Blanche Morin on 1 July 1913 in St. Jean Baptiste Catholic Church in > Fall > River. The witnesses to the marriage were Hormisdas Lambert and > Charles > Morin. > Known children for Hormisdas & Caroline were: > > Joseph, Hector, Hormidas, Celina, Marie, Julia, Alfred & Rose > > I found the birth of Caroline as being on 4 July 1858 in Redford, > Clinton > County, New York (Clinton County borders Canada) with parents Henri > Ethier & Mary Anderson. Her sponsors were Mose Robidoux & Jeanette > Anderson (husband & wife). > > Mary Anderson's parents were Dominic Anderson & Rose Lebert. She was > born > in 1828 in Redford and died 28 March 1896 in Redford, Clinton, New > York. > > Caroline had a brother Edward born 5 July 1862. Sponsors were Xavier > Gobriaut & Jeannette Anderson. > > Henri Ethier's parents: a. Francois Ethier & Charlotte (married 9 > Jun > 1817). > > Henri Ethier was born on 8 February 1822 in Repentigny, Quebec, died > 25 > June 1905 in Redford, Clinton, New York. > > a. Francois' parents: b. Francois Ethier (born 31 October 1759) & > Marguerite Beaudon (married 5 July 1785 in L'Assomption, Quebec). > > b. Francois' parents: Paul Ethier & Angelique Charbonneau.(married > 1753) > > Paul's parents: Joseph Ethier & Angelique Labelle (married 28 > November > 1713) > > Joseph's parents: Leonard Ethier & Elisabeth Godillon (married 22 > September 1670) > > Leonard's parents: Etienne Ethier & Marguerite Sabelee of St. > Martial de > Manot, diosese of Limoges, Limousin in France. > > Elizabeth Godillon's parents: Nicolas Godillon & Marie Boulay of > Notre > Dame des Aides de Blois, diosese of Chartres, Beauce, France. > > Also: > > James (Jean) Ethier (brother of Caroline) and his wife Virginie > Renaud > had a daughter Rose A. Ethier who married Alfred Chabot on 30 May > 1906, > The witnesses were Olivier Marchand & Cyril Chabot. > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

I’m sending this to the Fall River list in case others have this line (Lambert, Ethier, Ronan). One special note: If anyone is looking for a French-Canadian marriage in the United States in the 1800's and early 1900's you may fine them is a major film record found at the Salt Lake City Family History Library. This is a Quebec marriage listing that includes 80% on the French-Canadian marriages from the United States. (I’ve found many of my Massachusetts and Rhode Island French Canadian Catholic marriages). If you e-mail me with the names, possible place of marriage and about date I’ll give you the film numbers, etc. Here are the facts as given to me by Teddy Ronan on her Fall River ancestors: She was looking for Rose Lambert and Michael Ronan. She believed that the earlier Ronan family members (Michael’s parents) were from somewhere in Ireland (mentioned on 1820 & 1930 census. I know that Terry looked at the 1920 & 1930 census but wonder if she caught the fact that Michael & Rose married in 1911 but Michael Ronan states that he was married for the first time in 1907. (I assume the first wife died). Rose’s parents were Hormisdas & Caroline Lambert. Hormisdas was from Canada and Caroline from the state of New York. This is what I found: In 1888 Guide Canadien-Francais de Fall River 974.485/F1 F24g lists the following Lamberts in Fall River: Hormisdas-Commis. St. Gabriel Adelard-Commis pen: pensionne Alexina-tisserande pen: pensionne Marie-tisserande pen: pensionne All at residence 6 Ashton in Fall River (tisserande means textile weaver) (unsure of the meaning of pensionne-may mean on a pension or invalid for a pension) (St. Gabriel is in Quebec) In the 1905 City Directory: Hormisdas Lambert-insurance agent office at 44 Borden Hormisdas Jr.-driver-boards Joseph-spinner-boards All of above lived at 41 Ashton James Ronan-fireman-boards-106 Bedford Mary-domestic at 669 Roch Michael-bleacher-house-165 Haffard Michael-deck hand-boards-516 Ferry Michael-freight handler-N.Y, N.H. & H. R.R.-boards-South Main & Chaples Michael P.-weaver-House 410 Ferry Thomas F.-freight handler-N.Y., N.H. & H. R.R.-house 3 Palmer William-deck hand-house-516 Ferry N.Y., N.H. & H.R.R. means New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Hormisdas Lambert and Caroline Ethier had a son Joseph who married Blanche Morin on 1 July 1913 in St. Jean Baptiste Catholic Church in Fall River. The witnesses to the marriage were Hormisdas Lambert and Charles Morin. Known children for Hormisdas & Caroline were: Joseph, Hector, Hormidas, Celina, Marie, Julia, Alfred & Rose I found the birth of Caroline as being on 4 July 1858 in Redford, Clinton County, New York (Clinton County borders Canada) with parents Henri Ethier & Mary Anderson. Her sponsors were Mose Robidoux & Jeanette Anderson (husband & wife). Mary Anderson’s parents were Dominic Anderson & Rose Lebert. She was born in 1828 in Redford and died 28 March 1896 in Redford, Clinton, New York. Caroline had a brother Edward born 5 July 1862. Sponsors were Xavier Gobriaut & Jeannette Anderson. Henri Ethier’s parents: a. Francois Ethier & Charlotte (married 9 Jun 1817). Henri Ethier was born on 8 February 1822 in Repentigny, Quebec, died 25 June 1905 in Redford, Clinton, New York. a. Francois’ parents: b. Francois Ethier (born 31 October 1759) & Marguerite Beaudon (married 5 July 1785 in L’Assomption, Quebec). b. Francois’ parents: Paul Ethier & Angelique Charbonneau.(married 1753) Paul’s parents: Joseph Ethier & Angelique Labelle (married 28 November 1713) Joseph’s parents: Leonard Ethier & Elisabeth Godillon (married 22 September 1670) Leonard’s parents: Etienne Ethier & Marguerite Sabelee of St. Martial de Manot, diosese of Limoges, Limousin in France. Elizabeth Godillon’s parents: Nicolas Godillon & Marie Boulay of Notre Dame des Aides de Blois, diosese of Chartres, Beauce, France. Also: James (Jean) Ethier (brother of Caroline) and his wife Virginie Renaud had a daughter Rose A. Ethier who married Alfred Chabot on 30 May 1906, The witnesses were Olivier Marchand & Cyril Chabot. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

These wills or administrations should be at Taunton. However, some Bristol County probate material has been moved to the Mass. Archives at Columbia Point, so you should check. Strangely, they have kept the earlier original material in Taunton at the Probate Registry there, and sent the later stuff to Boston! I don't know what the cut-off date is and would be interested if anybody does know. I don't think New Bedford has probate -- they have a deeds registry though. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "~Karen E~" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: [MABRISTO] where to find wills > Okay, I'm guilty. I've read messages on tis topic and never paid much > attention to them. But now I really do need to find some wills and need > answers. > > First off, these are all wills that may or may not exist. They are all > by widowed women. One died in New Bedford in 1907, the other two died > in Westport in 1855 and 1886. > > Where should I look to see if any wills existed? Who should I contact? > > Thanks, > Karen Flanders Eddy in CT > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

My sense is that will would be kept at probate court in New Bedford for wills written in New Bedford and Westport. If you get up that way, perhaps you could transcript them.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:42:58 -0800 "Jane" <[email protected]> writes: > There is a fantastic amount of Wilmarth material at NEHGS by > Josephine [?] > Wilmarth, done in the 1920s -- a couple of boxes full. She died > before she > could publish it. The NEHGS manuscript collection contains some incredible resources - I've consulted unpublished manuscripts there that were well documented and saved me a lot of time. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

Probate in Taunton, even for Westport stuff, but more likely Probate in New Bedford. Check Cyndi's List for addresses & phone numbers. Should be listed as Registrar of Probate. Copies in Taunton used to be $0.75 per page; there may be a search charge now which is why you should CALL. Have all personal information ready. There are indexes for the clerks to consult. REMEMBER to ask if there are "Files" associated with the copied material in the bound volumes. Often times, if there is, there'll be more, much more material such as original copies of wills, inventory, letters of administration, & a host of stuff. The later you get, the more voluminous this can get - if its there at all. At least in Taunton, you have to fill out a separate form for the clerk to check; before 1800 the format is simple - "1727, Ralph Pain, Freetown". After 1800, you'll start to get file numbers and those come from the indexes. As I've not been to Taunton in several years and to New Bedofrd only once, things must have changed, which is why calling is crucial. Persist. You're likely to find wonderful stuff. Robert M. Gerrity YANKEE ANCESTRY P. O. Box 2814 Acton, MA 01720 >From: [email protected] (~Karen E~) >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [MABRISTO] where to find wills >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:02:36 -0500 (EST) > >Okay, I'm guilty. I've read messages on tis topic and never paid much >attention to them. But now I really do need to find some wills and need >answers. > >First off, these are all wills that may or may not exist. They are all >by widowed women. One died in New Bedford in 1907, the other two died >in Westport in 1855 and 1886. > >Where should I look to see if any wills existed? Who should I contact? > >Thanks, >Karen Flanders Eddy in CT > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Okay, I'm guilty. I've read messages on tis topic and never paid much attention to them. But now I really do need to find some wills and need answers. First off, these are all wills that may or may not exist. They are all by widowed women. One died in New Bedford in 1907, the other two died in Westport in 1855 and 1886. Where should I look to see if any wills existed? Who should I contact? Thanks, Karen Flanders Eddy in CT

I want to thank everybody who wrote and tried to help me come up with a birthdate for Thomas Wilmarth. The Wilmarth book by Elizabeth Wilmarth and Bessie Wilmarth Gahn sounds like a real treasure trove, as well as the information available at the NEHGS library, unfortunately I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere on the high plains with no access to any large libraries or Family History Center.... My one link to the outside world is this computer. Maybe someday in the future I will be able to visit one of the research centers and can do some more digging. Thank you all. Freddie Randolph [email protected]

looking to see if anyone could help me locate the marriage of ARTHUR SOAR / ISABELLE SHEEHAN. i found only this information on the lds site. and do not know where else to turn. there marriage was approx. 1897. massachusetts. so if anyone sould lend a helping hand ,,, i would so appreciate it. thank you diana aurora colorado [email protected]

hello i noticed you have a morrissey name in your family line. do you have any other information on that line. i think my gggrandmother her name was ellen morrissey. she married a maurice sheehan. they had a daughter isabelle sheehan. does this ring a bell on your family line. i would like to share information if you have any to share with me. have a good day or night. diana aurora colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H Cook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Need birthdate for Thomas Wilmarth > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:45:59 -0700 "Freddie & Steve Randolph" > <[email protected]> writes: > > > > Has anybody got a good birthdate on Thomas Wilmarth? He was born > > in the early 1600's I believe and was married to Elizabeth Bliss. I > > have his parents listed as James Wilmarth and Elizabeth > > Morrison/Morrisey. Would appreciate any help. I keep finding > > him listed at various websites online but his birthdate keeps > > fluctuating. > > Freddie - > > Given the lack of documentation and general unreliability of most > genealogical web sites that is not surprising. I'll bet that not a single > one of those birth dates was documented, and the parentage not documented > either. > > Torrey's "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" gives no year of birth, > which probably means that Torrey was unable to determine that year from > the sources available in the NEHGS library. Have you consulted Elizabeth > Wilmarth and Bessie Wilmarth Gahn, "The Wilmarth Family. Descendants of > Thomas of Massachusetts" (1953)? > > Dale H. Cook > USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns > http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Can anyone please tell me where exactly Crapo Cemetery is located (New Bedford North) and if anyone has ever done a reading of this cemetery. Thanks. Ellie

There is a fantastic amount of Wilmarth material at NEHGS by Josephine [?] Wilmarth, done in the 1920s -- a couple of boxes full. She died before she could publish it. I don't know how much of it was used in the 1953 genealogy you mention. About 15 years ago, Jim Wilmarth of Los Alamos, NM, copied much of it and was planning to organize and computerize it, but I don't know if he ever did. It follows many of the daughters as well as the sons. Jane Fiske ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H Cook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [MABRISTO] Need birthdate for Thomas Wilmarth > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:45:59 -0700 "Freddie & Steve Randolph" > <[email protected]> writes: > > > > Has anybody got a good birthdate on Thomas Wilmarth? He was born > > in the early 1600's I believe and was married to Elizabeth Bliss. I > > have his parents listed as James Wilmarth and Elizabeth > > Morrison/Morrisey. Would appreciate any help. I keep finding > > him listed at various websites online but his birthdate keeps > > fluctuating. > > Freddie - > > Given the lack of documentation and general unreliability of most > genealogical web sites that is not surprising. I'll bet that not a single > one of those birth dates was documented, and the parentage not documented > either. > > Torrey's "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" gives no year of birth, > which probably means that Torrey was unable to determine that year from > the sources available in the NEHGS library. Have you consulted Elizabeth > Wilmarth and Bessie Wilmarth Gahn, "The Wilmarth Family. Descendants of > Thomas of Massachusetts" (1953)? > > Dale H. Cook > USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns > http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:45:59 -0700 "Freddie & Steve Randolph" <[email protected]> writes: > Has anybody got a good birthdate on Thomas Wilmarth? He was born > in the early 1600's I believe and was married to Elizabeth Bliss. I > have his parents listed as James Wilmarth and Elizabeth > Morrison/Morrisey. Would appreciate any help. I keep finding > him listed at various websites online but his birthdate keeps > fluctuating. Freddie - Given the lack of documentation and general unreliability of most genealogical web sites that is not surprising. I'll bet that not a single one of those birth dates was documented, and the parentage not documented either. Torrey's "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" gives no year of birth, which probably means that Torrey was unable to determine that year from the sources available in the NEHGS library. Have you consulted Elizabeth Wilmarth and Bessie Wilmarth Gahn, "The Wilmarth Family. Descendants of Thomas of Massachusetts" (1953)? Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

Interesting ... in 1880 there were two Forest Pope's in Iowa, both born in IL. The first one looks like your Justice Pope but he is married to an Allice E (maybe Elnora). Household #1: Justice L. POPE Self M Male W 24 MI Grain Dealer --- MI Allice E. POPE Wife M Female W 22 IL Keeping House PA OH Forest POPE Son S Male W 2 IL PA OH Source Information: Census Place Waukee, Dallas, Iowa Family History Library Film 1254335 NA Film Number T9-0335 Page Number 284A ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The other was born to an older Thomas Pope. Thomas is of an age to have been Justice's father, or older brother, but the states of birth do not match. Not always fatal, I've had several which varied, but not a good sign ... Even so, they could be cousins ... Household #2: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Thomas POPE Self M Male W 50 IL Farmer KY KY Mary J. POPE Wife M Female W 45 IL Keeping House KY KY Virginia A. POPE Dau S Female W 20 IL At Home IL IL Oliver POPE Son S Male W 19 IL Works On Farm IL IL Cordelia O. POPE Dau S Female W 17 IL At Home IL IL James O. POPE Son S Male W 13 IL Works On Farm IL IL Minnie O. POPE Dau S Female W 9 IL At Home IL IL Frederick E. POPE Son S Male W 6 IL At Home IL IL Forest POPE Son S Male W 3 IL At Home IL IL Source Information: Census Place Manchester, Scott, Illinois Family History Library Film 1254250 NA Film Number T9-0250 Page Number 490A Info from free LDS 1880 Census and index site: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/searc h_census.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- In the 1930 Census I found Forrest E Pope (head, age 51 single, b. IL father b. MI mother b. IL, commercial ?traveler? in wholesale paint) and Elnora (mother, age 72, widowed, b. IL parents b. Ohio). They were living in Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama! Living with them are two nephews: Coryl T or J Pope (age 15) and Rossell H. Pope (age 12) Info from ancestry.com's 1930 census ... Roll: T626_25 Page: 8B ED: 34 Happy New Year and Happy Hunting! Jan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MABRISTO] William Johnston Pope & Justus Pope I'm looking for any info on the Justus Pope family. Justus Pope was married to Elnora Lehr Pope and they had 2 children and possibly a few more. Forest Pope born around 1879 in IA or IL. Ethyel Pope Beckley died Omaha, NE in 1950's buried Forest Lawn Cemetery. Arch Pope may have been another sibling born 1882 in IA, possibly Davenport, IA. Justus Pope was the son of William Johston Pope and Jane Frances Harrington Pope. Justus was born 12 Jan 1856 in MI. Possibly Silver Creek Cass Co, area. William Johnston Pope was a United Brethern minister, not sure if Justus was also. Elnora Pope became a widow 9 Oct 1918, but I don't know were Justus Pope died or where he is buried. Elnora Pope was in the 1920 Denver census living with Dr. Arch Pope. I don't know when she died or where she is buried. Can you tell me if there are any family histories or bios on these families? Can you tell me if there is any way to find out if Justus died in MI? William Johnston Pope died 8 Dec 1890. Can you tell me if he died in IL or MI and if there would be any obits? I know that he is buried in Searle Ridge Cemetery, DePue, Bureau, IL along with several other Pope family members, but I've not been able to locate Elnora there or Justus Pope. Is ther a listing of people buried at Searle Ridge Cemetery anywhere? Looking for info on any Pope, Lehr members. Thank you for your time and efforts. Happy New Year. Sandy Hutchinson ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello.... Has anybody got a good birthdate on Thomas Wilmarth? He was born in the early 1600's I believe and was married to Elizabeth Bliss. I have his parents listed as James Wilmarth and Elizabeth Morrison/Morrisey. Would appreciate any help. I keep finding him listed at various websites online but his birthdate keeps fluctuating. Thanks for any help from anybody.... Freddie Randolph [email protected]