max this is a great find! I've been looking for john in ELlis island. This is "my" John and "my" Simon. Thanks so much! H I can now see that using steve Morse's tool he is; Petroviere, Jonos from Rank (the town is actually Kauszu - I know this from other sources.) I've never been able to find john or Simon at ellis island. -- Simon seems to have arrived in 1894 at age 18, according to the 1900 census. Simon first shows up in the adams town directory of 1899. (where he was in 1894-late 1898, when the 1899 directory was compiled is still TBD). I'm dotting I's and crossing T's on family history. There was a Jurgis, Francis, wo lived in Adams. I have their marriage, WWI, and data from Adams directories. and a second John -- John Anton who lived in NOrth adams.) they are all related. - I have a pretty considerable dataset that reaches back to Lithuania to about 1800. Atht eh turn of the century, Adams/ North Adams was a hotbed of these "petravicai". I'm not sure that there are any left in Adams. -- Thanks! -- DOn --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Max Ward <max.ward@verizon.net> wrote: > From: Max Ward <max.ward@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [MABERKSH] 54 E hoosac street in the 1910 census > To: maberksh@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 4:16 PM > One last record- this appears to be > John Petrovicz's arrival (he is going to > Adams, MA to meet his brother): > > New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 > about Jonas Petrovicze > Name: Jonas Petrovicze > Arrival Date: 12 Jul 1900 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882  > Age: 18  > Gender: Male  > Port of Departure: Bremen  > Ethnicity/Race-/Nationality: Russian  > Ship Name: Kaiserin Maria Theresia  > Search Ship Database: Search the Kaiserin Maria Theresia in > the 'Passenger > Ships and Images' database > Port of Arrival: New York, New York  > Line: 12  > Microfilm Serial: 15  > Microfilm Roll: T715_138  > Page Number: 75  > > (Also, this record is difficult to read, but it appears > that his brother's > name may be written on the list to the right- and it may > say Simon. > > There is a Simon Petrowicz who was married in Adams on 23 > Sep 1902, age 26, > from Russia, parents Paul Petrowicz and Mary ??. Bride was > Stefania > Pilifowicz, age 19 from Russia). > > Max > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABERKSH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Don, This may be Simon - name is close, arrival is right. The age is off by 2 years and his ultimate destination in the US is Philadelphia, which would explain where he was before Adams, MA.: New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Simon Petrkowski Name: Simon Petrkowski Arrival Date: 17 Jul 1893 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Age: 20 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Bremen Place of Origin: Zediszki Ship Name: Red Sea Search Ship Database: Search the Red Sea in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: New York, New York Line: 8 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_614 Max

yes, it's so problematic, and maddening. The root name Petrawitz", Petravicius, and the variants are basically a patronymic -- analogous to "Peterson" -- "Peter's son". So we can have many unrelated people with the same last name, because lots of peasant lithuanians did without last names until the 1700's. Also in Lithuaninan/Polish, it turns out that "Petrokowski" is a different sort of name than Petrawitz -- the "k" is significant. I think the only real chance of a firm identification is to find something like a "simon" with a last name something like "petra..." who is either - going to something like berkshire county, MA or - Comes from Kauszu (his little farming hamlet) or Kaltinenai (the nearby town with the parish church in it) or something identifiably near those places. So, in this case, we strike out on Zadzinski -- there's nothing near enough to Kaltinenai with that name. I've tried to search on "town" (which is town of origin) on Steve Morse's pages and struck out on Simon. (though You can see from John's Ellis island manifest so kauszu is written so that the transcriber read "ranch". On Simon's 'Cousin," Francis's, manifest the transcriber saw "ransau". Only close inspection reveals that the "R" is really a "K" on both these manifests. It'd be great to have an index on ultimate destinations, and not just towns of origin, but we have to work with what we have. FOR some time, I've wondered if Berkshire Cotton actively recruited immigrants, and if so how they did it -- for example, Agents in the "Old country" or interacting with people as they left Ellis, and so forth. As you can see, It's been a long journey, of course that's the sport and fun of it :-). -- Best -- Don --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Max Ward <max.ward@verizon.net> wrote: > From: Max Ward <max.ward@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [MABERKSH] 54 E hoosac street in the 1910 census > To: maberksh@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 8:36 PM > Don, > > This may be Simon - name is close, arrival is right. The > age is off by 2 > years and his ultimate destination in the US is > Philadelphia, which would > explain where he was before Adams, MA.: > > New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 > about Simon Petrkowski > Name: Simon Petrkowski > Arrival Date: 17 Jul 1893 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873  > Age: 20  > Gender: Male  > Port of Departure: Bremen  > Place of Origin: Zediszki  > Ship Name: Red Sea  > Search Ship Database: Search the Red Sea in the 'Passenger > Ships and Images' > database > Port of Arrival: New York, New York  > Line: 8  > Microfilm Serial: M237  > Microfilm Roll: M237_614 > > Max > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABERKSH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >