Interesting. My wifes family is Swedish and Norwegian so I'm very famliar with the patronymic system. I did not realize where that system extended. Max -----Original Message----- From: "donald petravick" <dpetravick@yahoo.com> To: maberksh@rootsweb.com Sent: 8/30/09 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [MABERKSH] 54 E hoosac street in the 1910 census yes, it's so problematic, and maddening. The root name Petrawitz", Petravicius, and the variants are basically a patronymic -- analogous to "Peterson" -- "Peter's son". So we can have many unrelated people with the same last name, because lots of peasant lithuanians did without last names until the 1700's. Also in Lithuaninan/Polish, it turns out that "Petrokowski" is a different sort of name than Petrawitz -- the "k" is significant. I think the only real chance of a firm identification is to find something like a "simon" with a last name something like "petra..." who is either - going to something like berkshire county, MA or - Comes from Kauszu (his little farming hamlet) or Kaltinenai (the nearby town with the parish church in it) or something identifiably near those places. So, in this case, we strike out on Zadzinski -- there's nothing near enough to Kaltinenai with that name. I've tried to search on "town" (which is town of origin) on Steve Morse's pages and struck out on Simon. (though You can see from John's Ellis island manifest so kauszu is written so that the transcriber read "ranch". On Simon's 'Cousin," Francis's, manifest the transcriber saw "ransau". Only close inspection reveals that the "R" is really a "K" on both these manifests. It'd be great to have an index on ultimate destinations, and not just towns of origin, but we have to work with what we have. FOR some time, I've wondered if Berkshire Cotton actively recruited immigrants, and if so how they did it -- for example, Agents in the "Old country" or interacting with people as they left Ellis, and so forth. As you can see, It's been a long journey, of course that's the sport and fun of it :-). -- Best -- Don --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Max Ward <max.ward@verizon.net> wrote: > From: Max Ward <max.ward@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [MABERKSH] 54 E hoosac street in the 1910 census > To: maberksh@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 8:36 PM > Don, > > This may be Simon - name is close, arrival is right. The > age is off by 2 > years and his ultimate destination in the US is > Philadelphia, which would > explain where he was before Adams, MA.: > > New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 > about Simon Petrkowski > Name: Simon Petrkowski > Arrival Date: 17 Jul 1893 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873  > Age: 20  > Gender: Male  > Port of Departure: Bremen  > Place of Origin: Zediszki  > Ship Name: Red Sea  > Search Ship Database: Search the Red Sea in the 'Passenger > Ships and Images' > database > Port of Arrival: New York, New York  > Line: 8  > Microfilm Serial: M237  > Microfilm Roll: M237_614 > > Max > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABERKSH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MABERKSH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message