Thank you so much for the help and ideas. Horatio H. Hubbard b. 1805 is a different one. He's the son of John and Louisa Brown Hubbard. I have managed to sort out 4 different Horatio Hubbard's. These 2 are only a year apart and born in same area. I wonder if they could have been cousins. The other 2 are born much later. I tried to connect Horatio B. Hubbard with Bailey Hubbard in Egremont, because they move at the same times to Oneida NY and then Genesee Co, NY. Bailey Hubbard (wife Lurancy Kellogg) was a Rev. Vet so he had records for that, but I can't find anything beyond his wife's name. No listing of children. Census records show boy the right age, but unless I can find a birth/Bible record I'm stuck. My Horatio B. Hubbard married Mary Hollenbeck. Can't find those records either. That would have been about 1830. I appreciate the ideas and help. KM