I must admit this was one of the best discussions I’ve seen in sometime. Also very true just seeing 90 or so people stating an item on Roots Web does not make it fact noir does someone writing it in a book either. How many times has it been stated that John Rider son of Samuel and Anne Rider married to his daughter-in-law Esther (Hester) Hall or that he was born in Plymouth. Even his will states England. The new “Hawes” book has Hannah Hawes (daughter of James and Rebecca Russell Hawes) married to John Curtis when he is “John Custis” born VA and people wonder why they can not find the parents of Betsy “Custis” who married Luther Howland or Deborah “Custis” daughter of Henry “Custis”, who is the son of “John and Hannah Hawes Custis.” John did not always close his “S” noir did half of the town clerks or so it seems yet just look at his burial record in the Ancient Yarmouth Cem. 1810 his daughter is listed right below his. Thank all for the information on a Southworth which maybe a relative of my Elizabeth Southworth. Last item Hannah Hawes (daughter of Ebenezer and Temperance Taylor Hawes) also married John’s brother Thomas “Custis” from VA. Wanda -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006