Is anyone familiar with this database? Is anyone a paid member? There is very up-to-date information on several people in my linage and I would love to know WHERE this information came from. Thanks, Cheramie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005

Hi all, From: "Bobbie Hall" <you_halls_ng@prodigy.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Edward Perry -- when did he arrive? "1640s!" > Hi Howard, > > Maybe this will help a little: > > "Edward and his brother Ezra Perry and three sisters came to Sandwich as > teenagers in the 1640s with an older lady Sarah Perry. <snip> > The Edward Perrys had nine children and many famous descendants." > > From pp. 34-35 R.A. Jr. Lovell's, _Sandwich A Cape Cod Town_, (Sandwich, MA: > Town of Sandwich, MA, 1996) . > > To help you dig up the original documentation... from the "Notes on Sources" > section, several items are listed: > Perry Family: Register, 115:86-99, et seq (1961); Perry Gen., 72-3, Elwell > H. Perry, New Bedford, 1979. > Perry-Freeman marriage: Freeman Gen., 30; PCR, III: 46, 47, 52. > Tupper marriage authority: PCR, II:155 (bestowed); III:47 (removed). Thanks. I have seen all of those except the Elwell Perry book. The PCR items are only about the marriage (by 7 Mar 1653/4) Five young people surnamed Perry seem to show up about the same time in the Sandwich area. Most people seem to assume: a) that the five are siblings, and b) that they arrived together. I have not been able to find any proof of those assumptions. (If the first could be proved, I'd be willing to assume the second as likely.) Indeed, the Register article (by Brownson and McLean) cited above says p. 86 "Circumstantial evidence suggests that this Ezra Perry was closely realted to others of the name in Sandwich and probably also in Scituate, Mass. Conclusive evidence regarding the precise nature of these relationships is still to be found, as will appear." That article was written in 1961. So, perhaps Elwell Perry or Mr. Lovell has found found something in the intervening years. Does Mr. Lovell say anything about this issue in his section on Ezra Perry? Thanks also to Abbie for mentioning naming patterns. I have compiled genealogies for only 3 of the Perrys: Ezra, Edward, and Margaret. The only name that seems to be common and is an alleged sibling's name is Deborah. But Deborah was the 6th most common female given name in early Hingham, so I'm not sure it helps the cause. [Waters in NEHGR 138:169] I was hoping to find "Ezra" among the other Perry's children, because that doesn't seem to be so common. They all name one of their later daughters Sarah; but this is the most common girl's name in Hingham [ibid]. Also, Brownson and McLean write on p. 88 re. the settlement of Sarah Perry's estate: "... the wording of the record makes it quite clear that neither Ezra nor any of the other Perrys in Sandwich were closely realted by blood to the deceased widow Sarah Perry." And thanks also to Abbie for mentioning PEIRCE'S COLONIAL LISTS..., which does indeed show that Edward was a grandjury man in 1653. However, I could find no indication of where he got his information. As to the "many famous descendants", one of them is Oliver Hazard Perry (Commodore, USN). His descent from Edward is sketched in NYGBR 43:296. Famous saying of his: "We have met the enemy and they are ours..." Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Thank you to Paul, Bobbie, Harlow, Jane and anyone I missed for help in locating the book "Sandwich A Cape Cod Town". I ordered a copy this morning and am looking forward to receiving it. As usual 'the list' is very helpful! Patricia Kelley-Staab

Hi Cousin Patrica :) I bought my copy, (autographed) at a book store in Sandwich. You might try ABE books online I believe they have several copies... I 've had good luck buying an old book written by another ancestor! best of luck Paul http://www.abebooks.com/ Patricia Kelley-Staab wrote: > Hi List > > Would Paul or Bobbie or someone share where I can get the book > please? Was it from a book dealer, a historical society or .....? > Perry is one of my lines... > > Patricia Kelley-Staab > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Atkins" <patkins@new.rr.com> > To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] Re: Edward Perry -- when did he arrive? > "1640s!" > > >> I concur, I bought this book when last in Sandwich, and just loved >> reading it! I am descended from the Freeman, Perry line as well as >> Atkins, there are lots of old Sandwich names in my line.. >> Paul >> Green Bay, WI > > >>>> From pp. 34-35 R.A. Jr. Lovell's, _Sandwich A Cape Cod Town_, >>>> (Sandwich, MA: >>> >>> Town of Sandwich, MA, 1996) . >>> >>> (I can personally rave about this book for anyone with family from >>> Sandwich, >>> it is superb and worth adding to one's library). I hope I'm not >>> breaking >>> list/copyright rules with this short citation, but it gives such great >>> detail! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bobbie Hall >>> Chicago >> > > > >

Hi List Would Paul or Bobbie or someone share where I can get the book please? Was it from a book dealer, a historical society or .....? Perry is one of my lines... Patricia Kelley-Staab ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Atkins" <patkins@new.rr.com> To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] Re: Edward Perry -- when did he arrive? "1640s!" >I concur, I bought this book when last in Sandwich, and just loved reading >it! I am descended from the Freeman, Perry line as well as Atkins, there >are lots of old Sandwich names in my line.. > Paul > Green Bay, WI >>>From pp. 34-35 R.A. Jr. Lovell's, _Sandwich A Cape Cod Town_, (Sandwich, >>>MA: >>Town of Sandwich, MA, 1996) . >> >>(I can personally rave about this book for anyone with family from >>Sandwich, >>it is superb and worth adding to one's library). I hope I'm not breaking >>list/copyright rules with this short citation, but it gives such great >>detail! >> >>Cheers, >>Bobbie Hall >>Chicago

Hello Howard, According to........ PEIRCE'S COLONIAL LISTS of CIVIL, MILITARY AND PROFESSIONAL LISTS OF PLYMOUTH AND RHODE ISLAND COLONIES........ comprising........ COLONIAL, COUNTY AND TOWN OFFICERS, CLERGYMEN, PHYSICIANS AND LAWYERS. WITH EXTRACTS FROM COLONIAL LAWS DEFINING THEIR DUTIES. 1621-1700 originally published Boston, 1881 Reprinted for Clearfield Company, Inc. by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. Baltimore, Maryland 1995, 2001 On page 19 under the Town of Sandwich, in year 1653, there is an EDWARD PERRY listed as Grand Juryman He is listed again in 1657 as a Surveyor of Highways. It was common practice to named their sons and daughters after other members of their families, fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc., so one must look carefully at the dates. I hope this has been of help. Abbie (Bearse) Clark Hi all, I'm trying to determine the earliest date that we know Edward Perry was in Sandwich (or anywhere else in the New World). He is not on the division of the meadow list in 1640 nor on the 1643 Able to Bear Arms list. He was evidently married by 7 Mar 1653/4 when he was fined for "unorderly proceeding...about his marriage" PCR III:45-7, 52 According to the article on him in RI Historical Mag. 5:317, he was a grand juryman in 1653. (I need to go back to PCR to try to verify that.) Can anyone narrow the gap between 1643 and 1653? Thanks, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== Visit the Barnstable County GenWeb Project web site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabarnst/ It continues to be run by the former administrator of this list, and offers a wealth of research information on Barnstable County not found anywhere else.

I concur, I bought this book when last in Sandwich, and just loved reading it! I am descended from the Freeman, Perry line as well as Atkins, there are lots of old Sandwich names in my line.. Paul Green Bay, WI Bobbie Hall wrote: >Hi Howard, > >Maybe this will help a little: > >"Edward and his brother Ezra Perry and three sisters came to Sandwich as >teenagers in the 1640s with an older lady Sarah Perry. These five all >married and became strongly identified with the town. Edward's home was out >on Old County Road probably in the Talbot's Point area, and he later became >the town's leading Quaker, a forceful dedicated literate and conscientious >man. In 1653 when criticism of the established church and Colony government >was mounting, Perry married Mary Freeman, a young lady in Edmund Freeman's >household. The young couple took each other in marriage and declined the >services both of Thomas Tupper, who was authorized to conduct marriages in >Sandwich, and of the magistrate for this district. Plymouth Court was very >stern about this as a bad example in the town and Colony, and fined Perry £5 >for his refusal, with a promise of a similar fine every quarter until he >conformed. There is no record that he ever did. The Court must have been >angered at Edmund Freeman as well for permitting this breach in his own >family. The only recorded result is that Thomas Tupper was made a scapegoat >and was dismissed from his authority to marry couples in Sandwich. The >Edward Perrys had nine children and many famous descendants." > >>From pp. 34-35 R.A. Jr. Lovell's, _Sandwich A Cape Cod Town_, (Sandwich, MA: >Town of Sandwich, MA, 1996) . > >To help you dig up the original documentation... from the "Notes on Sources" >section, several items are listed: >Perry Family: Register, 115:86-99, et seq (1961); Perry Gen., 72-3, Elwell >H. Perry, New Bedford, 1979. >Perry-Freeman marriage: Freeman Gen., 30; PCR, III: 46, 47, 52. >Tupper marriage authority: PCR, II:155 (bestowed); III:47 (removed). > >(I can personally rave about this book for anyone with family from Sandwich, >it is superb and worth adding to one's library). I hope I'm not breaking >list/copyright rules with this short citation, but it gives such great >detail! > >Cheers, >Bobbie Hall >Chicago > > > >==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== >Visit the Barnstable County GenWeb site at: >www.rootsweb.com/~mabarnst >It is ably done by the founder and former Admin of this list, and contains a wealth of links and other information on Barnstable genealogy. > > > > >

Hi Howard, Maybe this will help a little: "Edward and his brother Ezra Perry and three sisters came to Sandwich as teenagers in the 1640s with an older lady Sarah Perry. These five all married and became strongly identified with the town. Edward's home was out on Old County Road probably in the Talbot's Point area, and he later became the town's leading Quaker, a forceful dedicated literate and conscientious man. In 1653 when criticism of the established church and Colony government was mounting, Perry married Mary Freeman, a young lady in Edmund Freeman's household. The young couple took each other in marriage and declined the services both of Thomas Tupper, who was authorized to conduct marriages in Sandwich, and of the magistrate for this district. Plymouth Court was very stern about this as a bad example in the town and Colony, and fined Perry £5 for his refusal, with a promise of a similar fine every quarter until he conformed. There is no record that he ever did. The Court must have been angered at Edmund Freeman as well for permitting this breach in his own family. The only recorded result is that Thomas Tupper was made a scapegoat and was dismissed from his authority to marry couples in Sandwich. The Edward Perrys had nine children and many famous descendants." From pp. 34-35 R.A. Jr. Lovell's, _Sandwich A Cape Cod Town_, (Sandwich, MA: Town of Sandwich, MA, 1996) . To help you dig up the original documentation... from the "Notes on Sources" section, several items are listed: Perry Family: Register, 115:86-99, et seq (1961); Perry Gen., 72-3, Elwell H. Perry, New Bedford, 1979. Perry-Freeman marriage: Freeman Gen., 30; PCR, III: 46, 47, 52. Tupper marriage authority: PCR, II:155 (bestowed); III:47 (removed). (I can personally rave about this book for anyone with family from Sandwich, it is superb and worth adding to one's library). I hope I'm not breaking list/copyright rules with this short citation, but it gives such great detail! Cheers, Bobbie Hall Chicago

Hi all, I'm trying to determine the earliest date that we know Edward Perry was in Sandwich (or anywhere else in the New World). He is not on the division of the meadow list in 1640 nor on the 1643 Able to Bear Arms list. He was evidently married by 7 Mar 1653/4 when he was fined for "unorderly proceeding...about his marriage" PCR III:45-7, 52 According to the article on him in RI Historical Mag. 5:317, he was a grand juryman in 1653. (I need to go back to PCR to try to verify that.) Can anyone narrow the gap between 1643 and 1653? Thanks, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Dear Craig, Are you suggesting in your statement below that a Gypsy man was not welcome in a Puritan Colony? According to everything I have read on what it was like to live on Cape Cod immediately after the landing of the Mayflower and other ships with passengers that followed, the area was wild, there were few men to protect small outcrops of settlements, and always the fear of an Indian uprising. The Colonists needed every man that landed to work and protect these small groups of people in out lying areas. At this time, Barnstable, on Cape Cod, had few men, they needed every man between the ages of 16 and 60 to be able to bare arms and Austin is listed in August 1643 as one of 53 men in Barnstable who was old enough to bare arms. In 1662 he is also listed as a Juryman, and in 1674 he is again listed as a Surveyor of Highways. (So much for our Gypsy). Austin proved himself in the community as an honest, faithful, church-going man who never missed a Sunday in Church. This in! formation was taken from Peirce's Colonial Lists of CIVIL, MILITARY AND PROFESSIONAL LISTS of PLYMOUTH AND RHODE ISLAND COLONIES, comprising COLONIAL, COUNTY AND TOWN OFFICERS, CLERGYMEN, PHYSICIANS, AND LAWYERS. between the years of 1621 -- 1700 reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Maryland 1995, 2001. Originally published Boston, 1881 Library Congress Catalogue Card Number 68-24684. If Austin was a Gypsy, he was certainly looked up to in the community. I personally do not believe he was a Gypsy. Austin landed here in 1638 and no one seems to know where or what he was doing for a year or two. The next thing, we hear of him marrying an Indian maiden with flaming red hair who happens to be the daughter of the Sachem of the local tribe whose name is John Hyanno, who in turn gives a very large piece of land to help them farm and raise their family. My thinking is........Austine met this Indian Princess and in order to wed her, he had to understand the Indian customs and ways, so most probably lived in the Indian village for a while before marrying. His marriage to Little Dove, cemented a friendship between the local Indians and the colonists. Whether I have Indian blood that's fine, if I don't, that's fine too. I choose to believe I do. I have read nothing yet that says Austin was not married to Little Dove. And always the nagging question, "How did he obtain all that huge piece of prime farm land?" Sincerely, Abbie (Bearse) Clark Cape Cod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig C. Baker" <crowe68@adelphia.net> To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > This subject has come up several times before and it really comes down to > those who want to believe, for some reason, that they have Indian blood in > them. The man from Connecticut was just trying to get some federal funding > back in the 30's. It seems highly unlikely that a man in the early days of a > Puritan colony would have taken an Indian as a wife. Also, even more > unlikely, a Gypsy man would have been allowed to settle in a Puritan colony. > That's my opinion. > Craig > Plymouth, MA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Sullivan" <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> > To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:01 PM > Subject: RE: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > > > > Jacobus presents his opinion that Austin Bearse did not marry Mary Hyanno. > > However, since the sender of the original message seemed to be quite > > vehement in her rejection of Jacobus' theory, I will say no more. I have > > no > > personal stance and was just trying to provide information. > > > > Karen Sullivan > > Visit the Alden Kindred of America > > http://www.alden.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig C. Baker [mailto:crowe68@adelphia.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:33 PM > > To: MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > > > > > > So what is the stance on this, the bottom line. Does Jacobus believe > > Bearse > > married Mary Hyanno or not???? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dale H. Cook" <radiotest@cox.net> > > To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > > > > > >> At 07:39 PM 2/7/2005, Karen Sullivan wrote: > >> > >>>Donald Lines > >>>Jacobus in "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The > >>>American > >>>Genealogist, Vol. 11, pp. 111-118. > >> > >> Karen - > >> > >> I have had a copy of that article for some years, and have not yet > >> found > >> anyone who can counter Jacobus' arguments by presenting evidence, so I > >> continue to side with Jacobus. There have been many allegations > >> concerning > > > >> this matter over the better part of a century, and I would simply like to > >> see some actual sources, or at least verifiable citations of those > >> sources, presented the Hyanno adherents. Without verifiability it is not > >> genealogy. > >> > >> Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. > >> Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for > >> GenExchange http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml > >> > >> ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > >> For helpful information on how to use this list more effectively, as > >> well > >> as links to other helpful related information, click on: > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MA/barnstable.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Barnstable County GenWeb site at: www.rootsweb.com/~mabarnst It > > is > > ably done by the founder and former Admin of this list, and contains a > > wealth of links and other information on Barnstable genealogy. > > > > > > > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Barnstable County GenWeb site at: > > www.rootsweb.com/~mabarnst > > It is ably done by the founder and former Admin of this list, and contains > > a wealth of links and other information on Barnstable genealogy. > > > > > > > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > For helpful information on how to use this list more effectively, as well as links to other helpful related information, click on: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MA/barnstable.html >

At 06:33 PM 2/8/2005, Craig C. Baker wrote: >So what is the stance on this, the bottom line. Does Jacobus believe >Bearse married Mary Hyanno or not???? Craig - He concluded by saying "Since the alleged claims of Indian marriage and descent in the second and third generations have been exposed as false and unacceptable, we have a legitimate basis for the deduction that the statement about Austin Bearse, the first settler, is of the same unsubstantial texture." Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for GenExchange http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml

I would like to point out another view of the situation. If Amos Otis a hundred and fifty years ago could find no evidence as to who Austin Bearse's wife was, especially with his courthouse access, what chances do we have now? Charles

Craig C. Baker wrote: > So what is the stance on this, the bottom line. Does Jacobus believe > Bearse married Mary Hyanno or not???? The article is online. http://www.murrah.com/gen/bearse.htm You will have to find the link "Jacobus" and click that. The Franklin Bearse piece is also there. Other than as a source for the articles I am not in any way endorsing this website. As Craig said, this subject has come up before. After I was introduced to it a few years ago by an outstanding researcher on this list I read, largely for amusement, some of the dispute as it has been raging on lists and message boards for years. As a case study in how genealogical discussions can go very badly it offers very fertile ground. And we all know how to make ground very fertile.

This subject has come up several times before and it really comes down to those who want to believe, for some reason, that they have Indian blood in them. The man from Connecticut was just trying to get some federal funding back in the 30's. It seems highly unlikely that a man in the early days of a Puritan colony would have taken an Indian as a wife. Also, even more unlikely, a Gypsy man would have been allowed to settle in a Puritan colony. That's my opinion. Craig Plymouth, MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sullivan" <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > Jacobus presents his opinion that Austin Bearse did not marry Mary Hyanno. > However, since the sender of the original message seemed to be quite > vehement in her rejection of Jacobus' theory, I will say no more. I have > no > personal stance and was just trying to provide information. > > Karen Sullivan > Visit the Alden Kindred of America > http://www.alden.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig C. Baker [mailto:crowe68@adelphia.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:33 PM > To: MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > > > So what is the stance on this, the bottom line. Does Jacobus believe > Bearse > married Mary Hyanno or not???? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale H. Cook" <radiotest@cox.net> > To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > > >> At 07:39 PM 2/7/2005, Karen Sullivan wrote: >> >>>Donald Lines >>>Jacobus in "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The >>>American >>>Genealogist, Vol. 11, pp. 111-118. >> >> Karen - >> >> I have had a copy of that article for some years, and have not yet >> found >> anyone who can counter Jacobus' arguments by presenting evidence, so I >> continue to side with Jacobus. There have been many allegations >> concerning > >> this matter over the better part of a century, and I would simply like to >> see some actual sources, or at least verifiable citations of those >> sources, presented the Hyanno adherents. Without verifiability it is not >> genealogy. >> >> Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. >> Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for >> GenExchange http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml >> >> ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== >> For helpful information on how to use this list more effectively, as >> well >> as links to other helpful related information, click on: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MA/barnstable.html >> >> > > > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > Visit the Barnstable County GenWeb site at: www.rootsweb.com/~mabarnst It > is > ably done by the founder and former Admin of this list, and contains a > wealth of links and other information on Barnstable genealogy. > > > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > Visit the Barnstable County GenWeb site at: > www.rootsweb.com/~mabarnst > It is ably done by the founder and former Admin of this list, and contains > a wealth of links and other information on Barnstable genealogy. > >

Jacobus presents his opinion that Austin Bearse did not marry Mary Hyanno. However, since the sender of the original message seemed to be quite vehement in her rejection of Jacobus' theory, I will say no more. I have no personal stance and was just trying to provide information. Karen Sullivan Visit the Alden Kindred of America http://www.alden.org -----Original Message----- From: Craig C. Baker [mailto:crowe68@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:33 PM To: MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno So what is the stance on this, the bottom line. Does Jacobus believe Bearse married Mary Hyanno or not???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" <radiotest@cox.net> To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > At 07:39 PM 2/7/2005, Karen Sullivan wrote: > >>Donald Lines >>Jacobus in "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The >>American >>Genealogist, Vol. 11, pp. 111-118. > > Karen - > > I have had a copy of that article for some years, and have not yet > found > anyone who can counter Jacobus' arguments by presenting evidence, so I > continue to side with Jacobus. There have been many allegations concerning > this matter over the better part of a century, and I would simply like to > see some actual sources, or at least verifiable citations of those > sources, presented the Hyanno adherents. Without verifiability it is not > genealogy. > > Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. > Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for > GenExchange http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > For helpful information on how to use this list more effectively, as > well > as links to other helpful related information, click on: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MA/barnstable.html > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== Visit the Barnstable County GenWeb site at: www.rootsweb.com/~mabarnst It is ably done by the founder and former Admin of this list, and contains a wealth of links and other information on Barnstable genealogy.

So what is the stance on this, the bottom line. Does Jacobus believe Bearse married Mary Hyanno or not???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" <radiotest@cox.net> To: <MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] RE: Mary Little Dove Hyanno > At 07:39 PM 2/7/2005, Karen Sullivan wrote: > >>Donald Lines >>Jacobus in "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The >>American >>Genealogist, Vol. 11, pp. 111-118. > > Karen - > > I have had a copy of that article for some years, and have not yet found > anyone who can counter Jacobus' arguments by presenting evidence, so I > continue to side with Jacobus. There have been many allegations concerning > this matter over the better part of a century, and I would simply like to > see some actual sources, or at least verifiable citations of those > sources, presented the Hyanno adherents. Without verifiability it is not > genealogy. > > Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. > Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for GenExchange > http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml > > ==== MABARNST Mailing List ==== > For helpful information on how to use this list more effectively, as well > as links to other helpful related information, click on: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MA/barnstable.html > >

I have made a mistake.Sally Truro.turns out too be Sally Snow from Truro.Cornwall,she married Amaziah Atwood. The Truro surname is a rare one.Assumed after the Town of Truro.It can be differcult to search for. I am decended from Peter Truro b abt 1767.so sally being born 1788 was hopefull. keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger

At 06:11 PM 2/7/2005, Wanda Powell wrote: >This manuscript is a certified copy of an original sworn statement now on >file in the office of the Litchfield County District Court, in Connecticut. Wanda - What is the docket number of the court case in which it was filed? I will write to Chief Clerk Brian Murphy's office on West St. in Litchfield and purchase a certified copy, but need to know the docket number - their records are filed by docket. An eminent researcher tried to locate that supposed Litchfield document in the 1930s without success. Until I see the original document, or a certified copy thereof, or a photocopy, microform or other image thereof, or at the very least a statement verifying its existence made by a researcher with suitable credentials, I see no reason to believe that it exists in Litchfield. There are two manuscripts by Franklin Bearse in the Library of Congress, and a copy of one of those in Hartford, but neither is in Litchfield, and there appears to be no evidence that either has been sworn to in a court of law in Litchfield. Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for GenExchange http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml

At 07:39 PM 2/7/2005, Karen Sullivan wrote: >Donald Lines >Jacobus in "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The American >Genealogist, Vol. 11, pp. 111-118. Karen - I have had a copy of that article for some years, and have not yet found anyone who can counter Jacobus' arguments by presenting evidence, so I continue to side with Jacobus. There have been many allegations concerning this matter over the better part of a century, and I would simply like to see some actual sources, or at least verifiable citations of those sources, presented the Hyanno adherents. Without verifiability it is not genealogy. Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for GenExchange http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml

Dear Wanda, This particular genealogy was discussed very thoroughly by Donald Lines Jacobus in "Austin Bearse and His Alleged Indian Connections," The American Genealogist, Vol. 11, pp. 111-118. Jacobus is a highly respected genealogist, and his analysis of the supposed marriage of Austin Bearse to Mary Hyanno stands up well to argument. If you'd like a copy of the article, please contact me off list. And you too, Dale; I know you're autodidactic (look that up in your dictionary <bg>). Karen Sullivan Visit the Alden Kindred of America http://www.alden.org This manuscript is a certified copy of an original sworn statement now on file in the office of the Litchfield County District Court, in Connecticut. -----Original Message----- From: Dale H. Cook [mailto:radiotest@cox.net] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:19 PM To: MABARNST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MaBarnstable] Mary Little Dove Hyanno At 10:00 AM 2/7/2005, Wanda Powell wrote: >Found this and thought it very interesting! It is an excepted factor and a >proven one in some courts and Congress! Wanda - I am sure that there are other researchers who, like me, would like to try to verify its acceptance. Which courts? Cite the courts and the dates, please. Which session(s) of Congress? Cite the house(s) and dates, please. Dale H. Cook; Research Member, NEHGS; Member, Mass. Soc. Mayf. Desc. Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project and for GenExchange http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/index.shtml