This is sheer speculation on my part; my mother and aunt have Trask ancestors (William) and my aunt has Ballou ancestors... so in that context I am copying out from the Ballou family genealogy by Adin Ballou and I think this Asahel Mann might be the father of Otis and grandfather of Cleopatra. I cannot give you all the proof; this is conjecture on my part. Jean ------------------------------------- page 87 Adin Ballou --- Ballou Genealogy Sarah (Ballou) Pickering and her husband dwelt on a comfortable homestead in So. Bellingham, Mass., on the "old Rehoboth Road," so called, about half a mile northerly from what has long been known as the "Crooks place." The premises are now owned by Asahel Mann. They were of reputable standing among the commoners of their vicinage. He was an old-fashioned shoemaker, as well as farmer, and both filled up the measure of mortal ----- I think vicinage may have been related to their "church" membership? I am trying to find Asahel's will.... Jean