Hi Sue R. and All, As I mentioned I did not research this family. They are family of a friend of mine. Sarah Hayward as I have it had no children.. Well that is the way it was given to me.. Therefore I do believe Micah /Michael (as he signs his name was a son of a first wife. and the children as u have stated Sue. Here is what I have.. Sue R, this mayhelp you as Joseph was not born in this area. Alice Family Group Record ============================================================================ ============== Husband: Joseph BATES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: 29 Aug 1733 Cohasset, Ma. Death: 1 Apr 1793 Mendon, Ma. Marriage: 8 Apr 1779 Mendon, Ma. Father: Isaac BATES (b 3 Mar 1707/8) Mother: Martha CLARK (b 1704) Other spouse: Sarah HAYWARD (m 15 Oct 1762) ============================================================================ ============== Wife: Martha CHILSON ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: 13 Apr 1746 Bellingham, Norfolk, Ma. Death: 14 Aug 1824 Mendon, Ma. Father: Joseph CHILSON Mother: Marcy SHUTTLEWORTH ============================================================================ ============== Children ============================================================================ ============== 1 M Joseph BATES Birth: 4 Sep 1779 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 2 M Benjamin BATES Birth: 6 Dec 1780 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. Death: 15 Feb 1867 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. Spouse: Rhoda KELLY (m 23 Feb 1806) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 3 M Joshua BATES Birth: 20 Mar 1782 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 4 M John BATES Birth: 15 Jun 1784 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 5 M Jedediah BATES Birth: 10 Jul 1786 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 6 F Rebecca BATES Birth: 18 Dec 1787 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. Death: 1 Jun 1872 Mendon, Worcester, Ma. Burial: Bicknell Cem., Mendon, Ma. Spouse: SIMON Peter BICKNELL (m 28 Feb 1828) ============================================================================ ============== FAMILY NOTES HUSBAND NOTES: Joseph BATES General(1): Src. b, Bates Ass. .m./2 VR Men;; m/1 Bell VR:; Bates Ass. 2 volumes. by Russell Bates: some info from Myla Thayer: w/1; Sarah Hayward was the dau. Eleazer & Mary (Daniels Hayward. b. 23 Mar. 17 1743 died age 33. 4 mar. 1777 WIFE NOTES: Martha CHILSONS Geneb. 23 Mar. 1742ral(1): She could not write: From Myla; She was 2nd wife of;/ Src. Bell. she was 2nd wife of Joseph. Vr d.Men,VR: Bates Ass.Gen CHILD NOTES: Joseph BATES General(1): b. VR Men; CHILD NOTES: Benjamin BATES General(1): Bates Ass.; b. Men VR: CHILD NOTES: Joshua BATES General(1): VR Men; CHILD NOTES: John BATES General(1): b. VR Men; CHILD NOTES: Jedediah BATES General(1): He was probably retarded: Myla has some paper of his care, and property: B. Vr Mendon: From Myla T.; CHILD NOTES: Rebecca BATES General(1): b. & m. VR Men; No chn from this mar. She was the 1st wife of Simon Bicknell 9Myla Thayer's grandfather) Myls live in the house built 1826 that Simon built and lived with Rebecca, A few of her possesions remaining in the house were donated to the Bates Ass.