--WebTV-Mail-31153-2111 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Alice, Jan and Alison-Thank you for the information! I had also posted the catholic baptism question to the NYC list, and most people answered that the baptism was left to the descretion of the individual priest. :-D Rose "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" Last words of union General John Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864 --WebTV-Mail-31153-2111 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-10.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.233) by storefull-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 21 May 2001 21:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-10.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id ACE1D1F4; Mon, 21 May 2001 21:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.32]) by smtpin-102-10.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 5749AFF for <[email protected]>; Mon, 21 May 2001 21:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from [email protected]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4M40XV06374; Mon, 21 May 2001 21:00:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:00:33 -0700 Message-Id: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Subject: MA-MENDON-D Digest V01 #62 X-Loop: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/volume01/62 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain MA-MENDON-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 62 Today's Topics: #1 [MA-MENDON] catholic baptism 1899- [[email protected] (T&R Gowett)] #2 [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-1902 [[email protected] (T&R Gowett)] #3 Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-19 ["Alice Palladini;" <[email protected]] #4 Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-19 [[email protected]] #5 Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-19 ["Alison" <[email protected]>] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from MA-MENDON-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. 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To contact the MA-MENDON-D list administrator, send mail to [email protected] ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: [email protected] (T&R Gowett) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [MA-MENDON] catholic baptism 1899-1902 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Would the catholic church baptise the child of an unmarried woman about 1899-1902? thanks, Rose "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" Last words of union General John Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864 ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: [email protected] (T&R Gowett) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-1902 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Would the child of an unmarried couple HAVE to be given the last name of the father?.................FINALLY got some info on my great grandmother-she never married grandmas daddy! So here I was, looking for the birth/baptism cert.s on Mary Curley, when maybe I should have searched for Mary Riley!...and I was searching for Marys mom, Ellen (Riley) Curley, who actually was Ellen Curley her entire life! >SIGH< Rose "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" Last words of union General John Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864 ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:42:43 -0400 From: "Alice Palladini;" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-1902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All. Rose that is a good question?? Also on Birth Certificates?? Back in those days was the father named or were all written as unknown , if not wed?? I have been on many list and been doing genealogy over 20 years and this question has never arisen.. I was a God Parent in the late 1940's for an unwed mother.. Although she knew the father, the birth record had Father: Unknown. and of course the child carried her maiden name. (think this was the norm back then?? ) The priest had not noticed till after the Baptism was over and we were back in the car and he came running out wanting to talk with us.,we presumed . :) The Godparents (2) and Mother was with us.. However when my hubby , the driver , saw him (the Priest alight) he quickly drove off! :) Other than that experience, I do not have a answer to this question?? Does anyone else?? I know in the 17/1800's the names of some (anyway) illegitimate children were named on the birth record. One example is a Pickering. VR'S says see Cook; Cook says see Pickering: So both the Cook and Pickering have the child's name. He died later, so I have no way of knowing whether he would have been a Cook or a Pickering. :) Anyone else have any ideas? Alice ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:22:14 EDT From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-1902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re the father's name on the birth certificate.... At least 50 years ago, the name of the father was left blank on a birth certificate. As to baptism in the Catholic Church- not sure but the Episcopal Church at that time certainly was reluctant to baptize a child out of wedlock. Like you, Alice, I was Godmother to a child born in that situation-good thing that times have changed! Jan ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:53:41 -0400 From: "Alison" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-1902 Hi Rose: No not necessarily. The child could carry either the father's name or the mother's. In some cases if the father was listed on the birth certificate, then the child would more than likely take the father's name. If not, then more likely to have the mother's name. Not set in stone. Regards, Alison Franks Archivist, Rawson Family Association ----- Original Message ----- From: "T&R Gowett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: [MA-MENDON] legal name-1899-1902 > Would the child of an unmarried couple HAVE to be given the last name of > the father?.................FINALLY got some info on my great > grandmother-she never married grandmas daddy! So here I was, looking for > the birth/baptism cert.s on Mary Curley, when maybe I should have > searched for Mary Riley!...and I was searching for Marys mom, Ellen > (Riley) Curley, who actually was Ellen Curley her entire life! >SIGH< > Rose > > "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > Last words of union General John > Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864 > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 05/17/2001 -------------------------------- End of MA-MENDON-D Digest V01 Issue #62 *************************************** --WebTV-Mail-31153-2111--