In a message dated 2/11/2004 9:03:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, Jespane@cs.com writes: This could be an error appearing in the Descendants of Comstock. Possibly the error has been continuing? I would go by the Bellingham records that claiim she is maiden name unidentified. Jes I've been following this discussion and I would tend to agree with this. The vital records are more likely to be correct than a published genealogy. Unless you can find a birth record showing her to be a daughter of Laban Bates, it would be best to list her as surname unknown for now. Have you checked Arnold's RI Vital Records for her? Sue Susan M. Hillier Roe Seal Beach, CA SueMHR@aol.com "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead, 1901-1978
(VI) Benjamin, youngest son of Seth (2) and Elizabeth (Spear) Hall, was born July 9, 1770, in Bellingham, and died there February 21, 1824. He is recorded as of Cumberland, at the time of his marriage (intentions published in that town April 20, 1797), May 1, 1797, in Bellingham, to Sarah Bates, daughter of Laban and Olive (Wheclock) Bates, of Bellingham (see Bates X). No children are recorded in Cumberland or Bellingham. Family record supplies the next mentioned. New England Families Genealogical and Memorial: Third Series, Volume I
Family 1032 3382. JONATHAN8 FARNUMCOMSTOCK (James,7 Woodbury,6 James,5 John,4 Samuel,3 Samuel,2 William1) born Blackstone, Mass., Nov. 24, 1818; died Providence, R. I., Jan. 8, 1889; married, Mendon, Mass., Feb. 13, 1840, Mary Dexter Hall, b. Saylesville, (formerly Smithfield) R. I., Jan. 27, 1819; d. Providence, May 13, 1894, dau. of Benjamin and Sarah (Bates) Hall. Sarah Bates was dau. of Laban Bates, who served in the Revolution. This could be an error appearing in the Descendants of Comstock. Possibly the error has been continuing? I would go by the Bellingham records that claiim she is maiden name unidentified. Jes
HALL Benjamin [h. Sarah], Feb. 21, 1824. G.R.3. cemetery [Bengamen Esq., P.R.1.--private record, from Wight Diary, 1755 1849, kept by Samuel Wight and his daughters now in the possession of the Town Clerk P.R.2.--private record, from Crooks family Bible I don't know if this diary is still in the town records; perhaps this is where the genealogist found what you have in 1911? jes quoted from the Bellingham Vital Records
The Bellingham Vital Records have her on a long list of UNIDENTIFIED. (???), Sarah, w. Benjamin Hall, (???), 1775. G.R.3. G.R.3.--gravestone record, South Bellingham Cemetery They did not have her maiden name at that time Vital Records of Bellingham, Massachusetts to the year 1850 Author: no author Call Number: F74.B21B2 This book contains the vital records of the town Bellingham, Massachusetts. Bibliographic Information: Vital Records of Bellingham, Massachusetts to the year 1850. New England Historic Genealogical Society. Boston. 1904.
In a message dated 2/11/04 10:00:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, ri1654@earthlink.net writes: > > <quote> Benjamin Hall, son of Seth and Elizabeth Hall, was born at > Bellingham, Mass., July 9, 1770, and died there Feb. 21, 1824. He married > at Cumberland, R.I., April 20, 1797, Sarah Bates, born at Bellingham, Mass., > May 1, 1777; died there Nov. 29, 1821. <unquote> Intentions are recorded in the Bellingham Vital Records BATES, Sarah, Mrs. and Benjamin Hall int. Jan 22, 1797 ------- I looked above in the Bates marriages to see if anyone else had married a Sarah (maiden name unknown) in that time period and I don't see any. Jes
In a message dated 2/11/04 10:00:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, ri1654@earthlink.net writes: > "Bellingham, Mass Vital Records, pp.15, 37, 113, 187".&nbsp; That entry > would > indicate the researchers must have looked at the actual records (probably > was possible in 1911) and that they found entries for the following > information on four separate pages:&nbsp; pages 15, 37, 113, and 187.&nbsp; > The > paragraph reads: In Massachusetts, each town has a book compiled from Town Records and they go up through 1850. At that point, there are microfilm records covering the years after 1850. Many libraries have the set of books (for each town) and some (a few) have the microfilm. What names are you looking for? Jes
James Albee was probably born in Braintree, MA between 1641 and 1650; but no record of his birth has been found. The HISTORY OF MILFORD says, "He was undoubtedly a man of large landed possessions and social influence." No record of his death has been found; but he was living as late as March 26, 1717, when he executed a gift deed of land to his daughter Lydia and her husband. He m. Medfield, MA, October 18, 1671, Hannah Cook, Daughter of Walter and Catherine Cook. His wedding was on the same day as his brother, John who was killed by the indians down on Hartford Ave. James recieved his father's land in Mendon, and returned there after King Phillip's War. Though the date of his death is not known, he and his wife, Hannah, deeded some land to their daughter, Lydia and her husband, Jonathan Hayward on March 26, 1717, so it is certain he was still living at that time. He was my 7th GGF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Sullivan" <bettysul@kewanee.com> To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Albee, James > Bob, > You seem to have so much on Benjamin, so what do you know about his > son, James? I'm sure several on this list wou;d ;ove to hear it.Also, do > you, or does anyone know who his wife, Hannah COOKE was? That is, from which > COOKE family? > Thanks, > Betty Sullivan > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
I'm wondering if the actual town records for Bellingham are available at the town hall or maybe a historical society. If someone knows, could you let me know and let me know how easy it is to get access to them? This is my mystery: A 1911 genealogy done as a wedding present for my grandparents shows the following information and gives as a reference "Bellingham, Mass Vital Records, pp.15, 37, 113, 187". That entry would indicate the researchers must have looked at the actual records (probably was possible in 1911) and that they found entries for the following information on four separate pages: pages 15, 37, 113, and 187. The paragraph reads: <quote> Benjamin Hall, son of Seth and Elizabeth Hall, was born at Bellingham, Mass., July 9, 1770, and died there Feb. 21, 1824. He married at Cumberland, R.I., April 20, 1797, Sarah Bates, born at Bellingham, Mass., May 1, 1777; died there Nov. 29, 1821. <unquote> Here's the mystery: When I posted a similar query some time ago, Susan Roe responded with information from what I think was a transcribed and printed record of Bellingham Vital Records, that Benjamin Hall of Cumberland RI and Mrs. Sarah Bates filed an intention of marriage at Bellingham on Jan 22, 1797. As Susan correctly pointed out, the reference to Mrs. Sarah Bates indicates she was probably a widow at the time, which could mean her maiden name was not Bates. The 1911 genealogy does not mention a title in front of Sarah Bates' name; it just says Sarah Bates. I've corresponded with Susan often and I know she is a careful researcher. I have to take her information as truthful. The problem is that I still have some doubt and I don't know if the printed records Susan is referring to are in error or if the researchers made a mistake in 1911 when they were looking at the actual town records. There are several possible conclusions: First, Sarah Bates was a widow, although she would have had to have been a very young widow and her maiden name was not Bates. Second, Sarah Bates was a widow and her maiden name was also Bates, due to the intermarrying of all of our wonderful Quaker ancestors in the Blackstone Valley. Third, the transcription in the 1911 genealogy said Benjamin Hall married Sarah Bates, when the actual record might say Mrs. Sarah Bates. And, fourth, the transcribed and printed Bellingham VR have a mistake in them and Sarah Bates was not a widow. I've been a member of the Bates Association for a long time, always based on the assumption that Bates was Sarah Bates' maiden name. That membership is erroneous if Sarah was not actually a Bates by birth. I'm hoping that by seeing the actual written town records, I might come up with something more definitive, maybe even Sarah's parentage. Please let me know if researchers can actually get access to the Bellingham records -- the original ones, rather than a transcription. I'm hoping to come to RI in the spring or summer and I'll make arrangements to see the records if I can. Thanks, Frank
Bob, You seem to have so much on Benjamin, so what do you know about his son, James? I'm sure several on this list wou;d ;ove to hear it.Also, do you, or does anyone know who his wife, Hannah COOKE was? That is, from which COOKE family? Thanks, Betty Sullivan
Does anyone know if the Annals of Mendon are still on line? They were available some time back in book form but I have lost the URL. Jes
Francis TRASK was born abt 1812 Glocester, RI-He m Cynthia Darling 13 Dec 1837 in Thompson, Windham, CT - He died in the civil war 11 Feb 1863 at Antietam, MD -he is buried in the Putnam Heights Cem in Windham co. CT had a son Francis A who fought anf died in the war 17 Sep 1862 in the 8th regt Co F-he was also known as Frank- the above information was received from unk person ref a William A TRASK --per copy of Declaration for Pension dated 10 Oct 1912 William A Trask age 70 of VT who enrolled at Plainfield, CT under the name William A Trask on the 27th Jul 1862 as a Pvt in B 18 CT honorably discharged at Harpers Ferry on 27th Jun 1865--pensioner under certificate 1098651 per cpy of application for pension (widow) William A Trask was b 4 Oct 1842 Gloucester, RI I Have been searching for years for proof of who is the correct father of the above William Armold TRASK-- on his (Wm A TRASK) death certifiacte State of VT he was born 5 Oct 1842 and died age 71, 6 mos. 19 days and it lists name of father as Arnold Trask per his 2nd wife CAN YOU HELP to PROVE THAT THE FRANCIS TRASK who m Cynthia Darling IS THE FATHER OF ABOVE William TRASK in 1850 Burrilville, RI---Francis Trask age 37 w Cynthia age 40 children- Francis A age 12 Whipple C 11 Albert D 9 William A 8 Adelbert 6 Mary J E 4 in 1860 Plainfield CT Francis Trask age 46 b RI w Cynthis children Francis A age 22 Albert 19 William 18 Adelbert 16 Mary 14 in 1870 CT Census page 396 Willaim A Trask, age 27, works in cotton mill b in RI: C.P. age 27, Emily age 2, Darwood ? E age 1 page 451 Adelbert Trask age 25, works in cotton mill b RI Julis age 24 at home b N Y page 404 Albert Trask age 30, works cotton mill b RI Melissa 34, keeping house b RI, Minnie A age 4 b CT On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:01:30 EST Jespane@cs.com writes: > Francis Trask and CYnthia Darling married 1837 in Thompson CT > > Children: > Adelbert born 1844 > William A. born 1843 > > Can anyone confirm this family? > Thanks > Jes > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
Francis Trask and CYnthia Darling married 1837 in Thompson CT Children: Adelbert born 1844 William A. born 1843 Can anyone confirm this family? Thanks Jes
I have no information on the Mann family -- but thought I would drop in to say that I'm glad to see some activity on the Mendon list! Sue Susan Marie Hillier Roe SueMHR@aol.com Seal Beach, CA Research Specialty: CHILSON Also Researching in USA: ALDEN, ALDRICH, ALVORD, AYERS, BARKER, BALCOM, BALDWIN, BANCROFT, BARLOW, BASSETT, BILLINGTON, BIRCHARD, BLISS, BOWEN, BROWNING, BURR, CAPRON, CASWELL, CHAFFEE, CHAMPLIN, CHAPIN, CHASTAIN, CASSIER/CHESIE, CLAPP, CLARK, COGGESHALL, COOK, COOLEY, CRANSON, CRARY, DEMING, DISBROW, DUNHAM, DUTTON, EATON, EDENS, EUSTIS, EVERTSON, FENNO, FISH, FOOTE, FOX, FRAME, FREEBORNE, FRENCH, FROST, FULLER, GARNSEY, GATCHEL, GOFF, GOSLIN, GREEN, HALL, HAMMOND, HARMON, HARRIS, HARTSHORN, HARTWELL, HARVEY, HITCHCOCK, HAYNES, HAYWARD, HAZARD, HILLIER, HILLS, HOBART, HOSMER, HOXIE, HULINS, HULL, HUXLEY, JAQUITH, JENKES, JENKINS, KENDALL, KENDRICK, KENYON, KING, KINGMAN, KINGSLEY, KNOWLES, LOOMIS, LYON, MARTIN, MERRILL, METCALF, MILLER, MITCHELL, MOODY, MOORE, MORGAN, MOWREY, MULLINS, MUNNINGS, NASH, NICHOLS, NILES, NOYES, NASH, PARKER, PECK, PEASE, PETTINGILL, POLLEY, POPE, POWER/BAUER, PURCHASE, QUACKENBUSH, QUINCY, RAINSFORD, REED, REMINGTON, REYNOLDS, RICE, RICHMOND, RODMAN, ROE, RUSSELL, SABIN, SANDS, SEGAR, SALISBURY/VAN SALSBURGEN, SEEKINS, SKINNER, SLACK, SMITH, SNOW, SOBLET, SOPER, SPENCER, SPRAGUE, STONE, SWAN, THAYER, TOOGOOD, TUCKER, TURNER, VAN BUREN, VANDENBURG, VINTON, VORE, WADSWORTH, WERDALL/WARDELL, WARNER, WARREN, WEEKS, WHEELER, WHEELOCK, WHITE, WHITMAN, WHITTEMORE, WILBORE/WILBUR, WILCOX, WILKINSON, WILLIAMS, WITBECK, WOODCOCK. Researching in England: ADKINS, ANDREWS, ARMITT, CHILSON, HEAVEN, HILLIER, HUMPHREYS, MILES, NEWTH, PIKE, PRIDE, THOMPSON, TRENICKE, VINER, and some of those listed under USA go back to England also. Researching in Friesland, Netherlands: BOOTSMA, COOPMANS, DE JONG, DOUWMA, JELLEMA, KOOPMANS, LANTINGA, LEENSTRA, PIERSMA, VAN DER HELM, VOS, WIERSMA or REINSTRA, WESTRA, ZWARTS.
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The R.I. Gen. Register Volume 16 , Index of Wills has a listing of : Abel Mann 1814 Glocester Anna Mann 1823 Smithfield Asahel Mann 1836 Glocestter Benjamin 1794 PR Daniel Mann 1823 Smithfield Grace 1835 PR Jacob Mann 1855 John Mann 1792 SM John Preston 18344 Oliver Mann 1802 SM Orville Mann 1839 SM Phoebe Mann 1843 SM Sarah Mann 2800 SM Susannah Mann 1836 PR ---------- Conjecture tells me that Asahel of Glocester is the closest relative to Otis and Cleopatra Mann. I do not have access to the wills... Also, the Ahel listed in the 1850 census is probably really Asahel (perhaps Asahel junior; or Asahel Grandson of Asahel senior?) The Trask family I am researching was in Glocester (married Eunice Mitchel of Glocester) and I think that this Asahel is a "good bet" for the grandparent of Cleopatra. Jean
In the census for 1850 a 13 year old listed with Otis and Ann Mann family; that would be a female born in 1837... this could be possibly a sister to Ann the wife of Otis Mann? or a younger sister of Otis ? The spelling looks something like this Ann Genett Mann Asahel Mann in Mendon had a daughter Annette (I believe)... perhaps this is Annette living in the Otis Mann household? Does anyone have any ideas? Jean
This is sheer speculation on my part; my mother and aunt have Trask ancestors (William) and my aunt has Ballou ancestors... so in that context I am copying out from the Ballou family genealogy by Adin Ballou and I think this Asahel Mann might be the father of Otis and grandfather of Cleopatra. I cannot give you all the proof; this is conjecture on my part. Jean ------------------------------------- page 87 Adin Ballou --- Ballou Genealogy Sarah (Ballou) Pickering and her husband dwelt on a comfortable homestead in So. Bellingham, Mass., on the "old Rehoboth Road," so called, about half a mile northerly from what has long been known as the "Crooks place." The premises are now owned by Asahel Mann. They were of reputable standing among the commoners of their vicinage. He was an old-fashioned shoemaker, as well as farmer, and both filled up the measure of mortal ----- I think vicinage may have been related to their "church" membership? I am trying to find Asahel's will.... Jean
This is what I have saved from the 1850 Census Otis Mann age 30 born in Rhode Island Roll 345 /P. 325 Ann age 28 Ann Genett Mann age 13 Asel age 10 James age 8 Jane 5 Cleopatra 3 Hannah 10 ---- also in the home Nancy Dean age 20 Horatio Collins ae 3 Perhaps Ann brought a younger sister into the household? If Asel is the son of Otis and Ann , Ann would have been 18 when he was born? Jean