In a message dated 2/18/2004 7:04:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, alicep@rcn.com writes: Benjamin, Rebecca and Jebadiah were children of Joseph BATES and Martha Chilson. I have NO Michael in my data for this family.. Can anyone help placing Michael in this family?? I believe this letter proves he was their brother. Martha CHILSON was the only daughter of Joseph CHILSON, Sr. and his first wife Mercy SHUTTLEWORTH. (He had more children with wife 2.) Martha and Joseph BATES were married 8 April 1779, Mendon. I'll look later to see if I can find a complete list of their children in my data. Have to be off to a meeting right now. Sue Susan M. Hillier Roe Seal Beach, CA SueMHR@aol.com "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead, 1901-1978

Morning Listers, Found a letter here from a Michael Bates: ( not edited) ( my addition in () 27 Januy `1826 (From ): Brandon (is this VT) Brother Benj. I have wated Longanus to have a letter from you and I shant wate no Longer I got home well and found my fo;ks well I want to here from you very much more especially from Jedadiah I feel worred about him I am afraid that he will perrifh (perish) in some of his runaway Scraps if you think that is ritt for him to cum up here to stay ware he is you must wright Quick and Let me know how his manner is and how you and your family to I want to know whether Mr. Bignal ( Bicknell) has bought or got hi plac and how they ddo ebecca promise to wright But I gufs that hur word is not good I want to see Joshua about that note and he said that he would pay it and was mad with me for bringing it up. Remember me to dr. Thurber and tell him that I have not hurd from him yet give my love all your family and all others that inquire afer me Don't fale to wright. Michael Bates __________ Rebecca Bates metioned above was married to Simon Bicknell. Yes they did get that property in 1826. (house and land still intact 2004) They had no children . Rebecca died and Simon remarried and had 1 child: All other mentioned above did marry and have families, I think? . Probably not Jebadiah as we hear he was a little backward or hard to handle? Benjamin, Rebecca and Jebadiah were children of Joseph BATES and Martha Chilson. I have NO Michael in my data for this family.. Can anyone help placing Michael in this family?? I believe this letter proves he was their brother. Alice

In a message dated 2/17/2004 7:09:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, Jespane@cs.com writes: Thomas Greene of Malden I descend from Thomas Greene of Malden too. Sue Susan M. Hillier Roe Seal Beach, CA SueMHR@aol.com "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead, 1901-1978

This would probably be better on the MA Worcester list but I will place it here. I have two different Greene lines that meet up in Upton MA. Thomas Greene of Malden William Greene of Woburn/Charlestown. Bathsheba Sadler Green(e) married John Greene of the Woburn/Charlestown descendants. Bathsheba's mother was Sarah Greene descendant of the Malden families. The Upton /Mendon /Douglas /Northbridge family of Greene that I have been searching intermarried with Warfield in Mendon. Bathsheba Sadler Green's grave is in oldest cemetery in Town of Upton --the First Cemetery with 119 stones. The first marked burial in this cemetery took place in 1749 and the last in 1890. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mauhs/html/oldnor_1.HTM Neither of these Greene lines is connected to the Greene line of Rhode Island (unless they were in England). Jes

I made a mistake on this. Mary Dexter Hall was born 1819, not 1821. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Comstock" <ri1654@earthlink.net> To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: [MA-MENDON] Lydia Hall Mystery > While looking at the 1870 RI census for the Jonathan F. Comstock family > (wife: Mary Dexter Hall), I found a 55 year old Lydia S. Hall living in the > Comstock home. The census shows Lydia's birthplace as Massachusetts. As far > as I know, Benjamin Hall and Sarah Bates Hall of Bellingham had two > children: Olive born in 1798 who married my 3rd great-granfather, John Jay > Paine of Smithfield; and, Mary Dexter Hall, born 1821 who married Jonathan > F, Comstock, my 2nd great-uncle. I always found it interesting that I > haven't even found children who died at birth or died young in between Olive > and Mary. It would seem unusual in the early 1800s to have only two > children and have them spaced that far apart. > > Now, I find a Lydia S. Hall, four years older than Mary, living with Mary > and her husband, Jonathan F. Comstock, in 1870 in Providence. Does anyone > know if this Lydia is a sister to Mary Dexter Hall, thus making her an > additional child for Benjamin and Sarah Bates Hall? > > Thanks, > > Frank > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

While looking at the 1870 RI census for the Jonathan F. Comstock family (wife: Mary Dexter Hall), I found a 55 year old Lydia S. Hall living in the Comstock home. The census shows Lydia's birthplace as Massachusetts. As far as I know, Benjamin Hall and Sarah Bates Hall of Bellingham had two children: Olive born in 1798 who married my 3rd great-granfather, John Jay Paine of Smithfield; and, Mary Dexter Hall, born 1821 who married Jonathan F, Comstock, my 2nd great-uncle. I always found it interesting that I haven't even found children who died at birth or died young in between Olive and Mary. It would seem unusual in the early 1800s to have only two children and have them spaced that far apart. Now, I find a Lydia S. Hall, four years older than Mary, living with Mary and her husband, Jonathan F. Comstock, in 1870 in Providence. Does anyone know if this Lydia is a sister to Mary Dexter Hall, thus making her an additional child for Benjamin and Sarah Bates Hall? Thanks, Frank

THE FAMILY OF ANNA BATES-DOLMAN11 1--James Bate (d. 1614) of Lydd, All Hollows, England; descended from Thomas Bate (d. 1445), of Lydd, All Hollows; 2--Clement Bates (bapt. January 22, 1595--d. September 17, 1671); came from England with his brother James in the "Elizabeth", 1635; selectman, 1637; settled at Hingham, Mass.; had land allotted him there; was a tailor; freeman, 1636; granted 5 acres, 1635; member of a committee to divide remaining part of "Conyhasset" 1640-43; one of seven men appointed to order the affairs of the town, 1647; surveyor at Hingham, 1655; married Ann or Anna ... (1595-1669); 3--Joseph Bates (1628-1706), Biddenden, England; married 1657, Esther Hilliard; 4--Joshua Bates (1671-1757), Hingham, Mass.; married 1695/6, Rachel Tower; 5--Isaac Bates (1708-1787), Bellingham, Mass.; married 1732, Martha Clark, descendant of Samuel Lincoln (immigrant ancestor of Abraham Lincoln12); 6--Laban Bates (1748-1832); in American Revolutionary War, (1775-80); married 1768, Olive Wheelock; This is from a compendium put out by the Dolman family it looks like it came froma family newsletter Jean

Samuel Lincoln, emigrant from Hingham, England, came to Hingham, Mass., 1637; married Martha ......; Mordecai Lincoln(*) Rebecca Lincoin(*) Sarah Jones. John Clark. Mordecai Lincoin(*) Martha Clark(*) Hannah Salter. Isaac Bates. John Lincoin(*) Laban Bates(*) Rebecca .....? Olive Wheelock. Abraham Lincoin(*) Liberty Bates(*) Bathsheba Herring. Mary Russell. Thomas Lincoin(*) Anna Bates(*) Nancy Hanks. John L. DOLMAN Abraham Lincoin, 8 children born 16th Pres. of U. S. to Anna &amp;amp;John L. Dolman. There used to be a beautiful poem about Lincoln and his step-mom that I remembered from junior high.... Does anyone know which poem it was? Jean

In a message dated 2/13/2004 7:08:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, ralbee01@comcast.net writes: Somewhere I saw a reference to William's will which referred to his sister, Catherine Cook(e). There is a 20 year difference in their age which would make one wonder. If William said she was his sister, she probably was. I have seen a 20 year spread in large families a number of times. There is also a possibility of them being half-siblings. The 20 year difference doesn't seem very troublesome to me. Sue Susan M. Hillier Roe Seal Beach, CA SueMHR@aol.com "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead, 1901-1978

Betty: Somewhere I saw a reference to William's will which refered to his sister, Catherine Cook(e). There is a 20 year difference in their age which would make one wonder. Jaquline Kennedy built a beautiful summer estate on Gay Head. Do a web search on Hammersmith Farm. Bob Albee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Sullivan" <bettysul@kewanee.com> To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Hannah Cook/Albee > Bob, > I'm surprised that William was Catherine's brother. I thought he > was her father, from info. I just found on him. There's a big story on the > internet about Brenton State Park, RI, that tells a lot about him, but not > his family.Gay Head was also the home of my Native American ancestors, but I > didn't know the Kennedys were there, although I knew they were on Martha's > Vinyard. Hmmm. > Betty S. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Albee" <ralbee01@comcast.net> > To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Hannah Cook/Albee > > > > Betty: Alice has stated the case best. I would love to clear up the > > confusion re Experience and Catherine. > > > > I have Walter being born in Leeds, Kent England on May 25, 1618, son of > > Walter Cook who was born in 1585. Catherine Brenton was born in abt 1628 > in > > Hammersmith, England. Her brother was William Brenton, future Governor of > > RI. He acquired land on Martha's Vineyard at Gay Head, future land of > > Jacqueline Kennedy as her summer estate after Jack's death. He later > > acquired land in Newport which he named after his birthplace, Hammersmith! > > This, of course, was Hammersmith Farm, birthplace of Jacqueline and the > site > > of her wedding to JFK. Small world. John Jr died in a plane crash within > > view of the Gay Head home. > > There is lots on William Brenton on the internet but not much on his > > ancestors. > > > > Bob Albee > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Betty Sullivan" <bettysul@kewanee.com> > > To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Hannah Cook/Albee > > > > > > > Dear Alice, > > > Thanks a million for your answer on Walter COOK(e) and wife. It's > > great > > > to find out more about a person you didn't even know existed before. > I'll > > > have to try to find out something from Hammersmith, England. > > > Thanks again, > > > Betty Sullivan > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Lots of Labans, but none seem to fit Susanna, wife of James Trask... born ca 1763.

Bob, I'm surprised that William was Catherine's brother. I thought he was her father, from info. I just found on him. There's a big story on the internet about Brenton State Park, RI, that tells a lot about him, but not his family.Gay Head was also the home of my Native American ancestors, but I didn't know the Kennedys were there, although I knew they were on Martha's Vinyard. Hmmm. Betty S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Albee" <ralbee01@comcast.net> To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Hannah Cook/Albee > Betty: Alice has stated the case best. I would love to clear up the > confusion re Experience and Catherine. > > I have Walter being born in Leeds, Kent England on May 25, 1618, son of > Walter Cook who was born in 1585. Catherine Brenton was born in abt 1628 in > Hammersmith, England. Her brother was William Brenton, future Governor of > RI. He acquired land on Martha's Vineyard at Gay Head, future land of > Jacqueline Kennedy as her summer estate after Jack's death. He later > acquired land in Newport which he named after his birthplace, Hammersmith! > This, of course, was Hammersmith Farm, birthplace of Jacqueline and the site > of her wedding to JFK. Small world. John Jr died in a plane crash within > view of the Gay Head home. > There is lots on William Brenton on the internet but not much on his > ancestors. > > Bob Albee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Sullivan" <bettysul@kewanee.com> > To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Hannah Cook/Albee > > > > Dear Alice, > > Thanks a million for your answer on Walter COOK(e) and wife. It's > great > > to find out more about a person you didn't even know existed before. I'll > > have to try to find out something from Hammersmith, England. > > Thanks again, > > Betty Sullivan > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I also agree that this is s good list once we all wake up. Thanks, Alice, and Bo, for input. Betty Sullivan----- Original Message ----- From: <SueMHR@aol.com> To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Thanks for Bellingham Information > In a message dated 2/12/2004 6:46:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > ri1654@earthlink.net writes: > This is still the > best list I belong to. Everyone is helpful. > Yes! A very good group! Sue > > Susan M. Hillier Roe > Seal Beach, CA > SueMHR@aol.com > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the > world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." > Margaret Mead, 1901-1978 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Listers, Yes I agree we have great folks on this list that always pitch in and help when they can..Only thing is it isn't a consitent list. It's either a feast or famine.. and I like a feast better. So come all, lets get some queries, histories, chat, anything (well no flames please) on here and keep this GREAT list fed. No one likes to be hungry not even a name list. :)) Alice

In a message dated 2/12/2004 6:46:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, ri1654@earthlink.net writes: This is still the best list I belong to. Everyone is helpful. Yes! A very good group! Sue Susan M. Hillier Roe Seal Beach, CA SueMHR@aol.com "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead, 1901-1978

I agree! It's the best. It's the most interesting. It's the most accurate. And it's the most helpful. And let's not forget personable. You can all be credited with the success!

Thanks for helping me clear this up ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Palladini;" <alicep@rcn.com> To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: [MA-MENDON] Hannah Cook/Albee > Morning Listers, > Well Betty S. you do have a good memory. Yes, I have a Walter Cook (e) > descendant group called the " Cookie Munchies". . We've been together > for 7 + years. > Probably 70 or more WC descendants , that I have run into , through the > years, all but ONE agrees from various sources, writings etc. that > Catherine Brenton was the only wife of Walter Cook(e). > There is also a letter Catherine Cook wrote to the General Court.. and she > says "OUR Children" .. Of course this is not proof.. but with other > material we have , we feel very comfortable stating that Catherine B. > is the wife Of WC. However most also agree the Elizabeth Holbrook, > probably was the wife of his son Walter. > Later research was done by Jane Fiske (see below) which does not > prove this but helps us be comfortable with our findings. > Till such time as we can find more proof that this is false, We > continue to use it. > Hannah was the d/o of Walter Cook (e) of Weymouth, Ma. who settled > Mendon, Ma. in 1663. > Presently we have no clue on who Walter Cook (e) descends from in England.. However , DNA testing is now being done by several WC. descendants from my group and also many Cooks on the Roots Web Cook list. We hope this will help to find WC ancestry back into England and probably find if the many other Cook lines are siblings etc. > > A new Walter Cook (e) Genealogy is presently being completed by the > daughter of Robert Cook who died in 2003 before the genealogy was > completed. RC worked extensively with Roberta & Dean Smith (now > deceased) of NEGHS and other Genealogical Libraries. and all came to > the same conclusion as the Munchies did. > Hope this helps a little, > Alice (see below) > ****************** > Catherine wife of WALTER COOK(E)_ : > Walter Cooke Weymouth and later of Mendon, Mass. died in Mendon 5 January > 1695/6 1695/6, having survived his wife Catherine by only three days > Both left wills . Catherine's last name has not been found and > Some early mixing of facts led to the belief that she was a > Second wife and not the mother ot Walter > S children(see George Chmabelain History of Weymouth, Mass. > 1923. 3:174). This. I believe- has been corrected and the supposed first > wife Experience shown to belong to someone else (Nora E. Snow, > Th Snow Estes Ancestry 1939) 1939.2:102-V > William Brenton, long a resident of Taunton but with > land holdings from the Merrimack to Rhode Island. died in in Newport > where his will was proved in 1674. The original official copy of t he > will has > survived and is in the possession of of the Newport Historical > Society. It includes the following: "I bequeath unto my sister Katerine > Cook's children to be paid within one year and a day after my > decease (if demanded) twenty pounds in stock at the currant price that > mt oversear shall appoint. > (see John 0. Austin Dictionary of R.I. 1887 p 254) - 254). Any Any > papers which might have indicated the distribution and thus the names > sisters children have been lost. > Because William Brenton had early land dealings with Thomas > Cook of Taunton and Portsmouth, and there was some intermarriages of > descendants > a thorough attempt was made to connect Katerine with the family without > success, Therefore I submit they she may well have been the wife > of Walter Cook of Mendon , Each family named a son Ebenezer, which is > hardly proof. It is known however that William Brenton came from > Hammersmith. Middlesex, England . It > is possible that research ed there might disclose some > evidence. > Boxwood, Ma. Apr. 1974 Jane F. Fiske: > Ref: The register-New England Historical Ge England Historical Gen Soc. , > Boston, Ma. Boston, Mass. Vol. 128 -Apr. 1974 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Betty: Alice has stated the case best. I would love to clear up the confusion re Experience and Catherine. I have Walter being born in Leeds, Kent England on May 25, 1618, son of Walter Cook who was born in 1585. Catherine Brenton was born in abt 1628 in Hammersmith, England. Her brother was William Brenton, future Governor of RI. He acquired land on Martha's Vineyard at Gay Head, future land of Jacqueline Kennedy as her summer estate after Jack's death. He later acquired land in Newport which he named after his birthplace, Hammersmith! This, of course, was Hammersmith Farm, birthplace of Jacqueline and the site of her wedding to JFK. Small world. John Jr died in a plane crash within view of the Gay Head home. There is lots on William Brenton on the internet but not much on his ancestors. Bob Albee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Sullivan" <bettysul@kewanee.com> To: <MA-MENDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MA-MENDON] Hannah Cook/Albee > Dear Alice, > Thanks a million for your answer on Walter COOK(e) and wife. It's great > to find out more about a person you didn't even know existed before. I'll > have to try to find out something from Hammersmith, England. > Thanks again, > Betty Sullivan > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Alice, Thanks a million for your answer on Walter COOK(e) and wife. It's great to find out more about a person you didn't even know existed before. I'll have to try to find out something from Hammersmith, England. Thanks again, Betty Sullivan

Morning Listers, Well Betty S. you do have a good memory. Yes, I have a Walter Cook (e) descendant group called the " Cookie Munchies". . We've been together for 7 + years. Probably 70 or more WC descendants , that I have run into , through the years, all but ONE agrees from various sources, writings etc. that Catherine Brenton was the only wife of Walter Cook(e). There is also a letter Catherine Cook wrote to the General Court.. and she says "OUR Children" .. Of course this is not proof.. but with other material we have , we feel very comfortable stating that Catherine B. is the wife Of WC. However most also agree the Elizabeth Holbrook, probably was the wife of his son Walter. Later research was done by Jane Fiske (see below) which does not prove this but helps us be comfortable with our findings. Till such time as we can find more proof that this is false, We continue to use it. Hannah was the d/o of Walter Cook (e) of Weymouth, Ma. who settled Mendon, Ma. in 1663. Presently we have no clue on who Walter Cook (e) descends from in England.. However , DNA testing is now being done by several WC. descendants from my group and also many Cooks on the Roots Web Cook list. We hope this will help to find WC ancestry back into England and probably find if the many other Cook lines are siblings etc. A new Walter Cook (e) Genealogy is presently being completed by the daughter of Robert Cook who died in 2003 before the genealogy was completed. RC worked extensively with Roberta & Dean Smith (now deceased) of NEGHS and other Genealogical Libraries. and all came to the same conclusion as the Munchies did. Hope this helps a little, Alice (see below) ****************** Catherine wife of WALTER COOK(E)_ : Walter Cooke Weymouth and later of Mendon, Mass. died in Mendon 5 January 1695/6 1695/6, having survived his wife Catherine by only three days Both left wills . Catherine's last name has not been found and Some early mixing of facts led to the belief that she was a Second wife and not the mother ot Walter S children(see George Chmabelain History of Weymouth, Mass. 1923. 3:174). This. I believe- has been corrected and the supposed first wife Experience shown to belong to someone else (Nora E. Snow, Th Snow Estes Ancestry 1939) 1939.2:102-V William Brenton, long a resident of Taunton but with land holdings from the Merrimack to Rhode Island. died in in Newport where his will was proved in 1674. The original official copy of t he will has survived and is in the possession of of the Newport Historical Society. It includes the following: "I bequeath unto my sister Katerine Cook's children to be paid within one year and a day after my decease (if demanded) twenty pounds in stock at the currant price that mt oversear shall appoint. (see John 0. Austin Dictionary of R.I. 1887 p 254) - 254). Any Any papers which might have indicated the distribution and thus the names sisters children have been lost. Because William Brenton had early land dealings with Thomas Cook of Taunton and Portsmouth, and there was some intermarriages of descendants a thorough attempt was made to connect Katerine with the family without success, Therefore I submit they she may well have been the wife of Walter Cook of Mendon , Each family named a son Ebenezer, which is hardly proof. It is known however that William Brenton came from Hammersmith. Middlesex, England . It is possible that research ed there might disclose some evidence. Boxwood, Ma. Apr. 1974 Jane F. Fiske: Ref: The register-New England Historical Ge England Historical Gen Soc. , Boston, Ma. Boston, Mass. Vol. 128 -Apr. 1974