My family lived in Effingham, IL in the late 1880's until about 1900. The family name is Reuther. I contacted St John's Church but they have no records (that they can read) re: my Reuthers. Is anyone aware of any other Lutheran churches that would have been in existance in that area during that time frame? Thanks, Eleanor Peters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

Dear Researcher: In the case of English translations of German church records, I would first start with the church. Many individuals who did such translations made a copy for the church (at least in Lehigh Co., PA--just above Bucks Co.-- this is true). The Lehigh Co. Historical Society has a collection of church records from Lehigh and Berks Co.; perhaps the Bucks Co. Historical Society would as well. If these avenues fail, I would check with either the Evangelical and Reformed Historical Society in Lancaster (at the seminary) or the Lutheran Archives at the Mt. Airy Seminary in Philadelphia. In this area, these are the main collections for the Reformed and Lutheran churches. Many churches in the area were at one time or are union, i.e., having a Reformed (now UCC) and Lutheran congregation sharing the church facility. I have found it easier to get information from ERHS; Dianne Russell is a wonderful contact there. 555 West James Street, Lancaster, PA 17603. Her e-mail is: drussell@lts.org. The Lutheran Archives operates on a limited budget and is only open two afternoons a week; it is more difficult to receive an answer to your query and one must have an appointment to do research. Hope this helps in your search. Mary Redline, discerepa@aol.com

Upon reading info re: Trinity Luthern church, Reading,Pa, thought you might inform me of source for English translation of records for: Bucks, Tohicon, German Reformed Church, later known as Keller's Luthern Church, Bedminister Twsp, Bucks Co.,Penna. I found these records on microfilm written in german script, but have heard that there is an english transcription available. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I am researching Johann Heinrich Junghen , later called John Henry Younkin (various spellings- younken, younghen ect. Thanks you. Virginia F. Biddle Tempe,AZ

Dear Researcher: In regard to the history of Trinity Lutheran Church in Reading, there is a delightful history of this church published by the congregation in 1894, titled The History of Trinity Lutheran Church, Reading, PA 1751-1894. There is another book Lutherans in Berks County: Two Centuries of Continuous Organized Church Life, 1723-1923; this volume contains brief "bios" of the various churches as submitted by the congregations. The church itself may have other church histories and the Berks Co. Historical Society may be able to assist you in your research. There are two histories, written earlier this century, on the history of Berks Co.; each contains information on the area churches. Hope this helps in your research. Mary Redline, discerepa@aol.com

I cannot imagine why this Lutheran Roots list should be subjected to the socialistic, one-world government propaganda of UNESCO. If this is your purpose, you can drop my name off the list. Manifesto is certainly an appropriate title. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- from F.R. Duplantier, America's Future, Inc. The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) was established in 1946, and promptly started to propagandize on behalf of "world citizenship." In an early series of pamphlets entitled Towards World Understanding, UNESCO denounced parents of all nationalities for instilling patriotism and love of country in their children. "As long as the child breathes the poisoned air of nationalism," the UNESCO pamphlets declared, "education in world-mindedness can produce only precarious results." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Ed Fuelner, Heritage Foundation "The Reagan White House withdrew from UNESCO largely because the agency had become totally politicized, focusing its debates on disarmament, 'collective rights,' regulating the free flow of information, and other largely anti-U.S. themes," says Feulner. http://www.execpc.com/~jfish/afuture/070995b2.txt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the UNESCO Philosophy Forum 1996 "Following the model of religious claims that human beings are made in the image of God, philosophical universalism claims that the presence of common traits testifies to a common purpose. It says that the form of the ideal human community can be determined by reference to a universal human nature. " " I can sum up this point as follows: an answer to the question "who are we?" which is to have any moral significance, has to be one which takes money into account. Marx may have overstated when he identified morality with the interests of an economic class, but he had a point. That point is that a politically feasible project of egalitarian redistribution of wealth, requires there to be enough money around to insure that, after the redistribution, the rich will still be able to recognize themselves - will still think their lives worth living. The only way in which the rich can think of themselves as part of the same moral community with the poor is by reference to some scenario which gives hope to the children of the poor without depriving their own children of hope. " http://www.unesco.org/phiweb/uk/2rpu/rort/rort.html

Interestingly, on the St. John's page is the following St. John's Lutheran Church Archdale and Clifford Streets Charleston, SC 29401 (803) 723-2426 Rev. Dr. Edward L. Counts, Pastor E-mail us at:info@stjohns-lutheran.org If you are making a genealogy inquiry via e-mail, PLEASE provide us with a postal address so that we can send you paper copies of the information via regular mail. Thank you!

Turnej@aol.com wrote: > In regard to Luthern religion I have ancestors who were baptised in this > religion. > It was in Orangeburg District SC the churches name was St. Matthews in SC. You need to be more specific about "district" . There are at least four St. Matthew's in South Carolina > > And also in charleston,SC. the churches name ST. Johns Luthern . > The names I have are Christina Spigener, 1780, There are two of these: http://www.stjohannes.org/ and http://www.stjohns-lutheran.org/ > > Henry Hoffman 1824 > Ann Dupont Spigener 1833 > Thank You for any help > Gerri > turnej@aol.com Pr. John Dornheim ps: Some of us are sensitive to the spelling of Lutheran!

Eunice Nicol wrote: > My ancestor, Abraham Brosius,was one of the men > involved in establishing the Trinity Lutheran Church > in or around Reading, PA. I would like to know from > what source of Church history and/or records would I > seek information re: the history of this Church within > the greater community of Lutheran Churches. Thank you. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com I suggest that you start at http://www.OldTrinity.org/ You will probably be able to find what you are looking for on this page. John Dornheim

Dear Mary: This is a monumental undertaking. It might be helpful for research purposes to put in parentheses the date the church was founded. That way if one is researching for ancestors during a certain time frame, one would know whether or not to contact a particular church. Many churches are setting up web pages and these could be linked to your site. For those which are not linked, it would be good to have a mailing address, e-mail, phone number if a researcher wished to contact the church for more information. Also if the church has a history book or genealogical records printed for sale, this could be noted. Thank you again for starting this project. It will be a useful tool when it is all completed. Mary Redline

Sorry to clutter the list with an off topic but I thought (hoped) that many of you would be interested in the following. Many of you have heard of Manifesto 2000, which was drafted by a group of Nobel Peace Prize laureates. It is hoped that 100 million people will sign the Manifesto, and most important, commit to live accordingly. It can be signed on-line: http://www2.unesco.org/manifesto2000/ Whether you sign it or not, it makes thought-provoking reading. They are on there way to four million signatures as I write this. Please look into it. John Dornheim

Turnej@aol.com wrote: > In regard to Luthern religion I have ancestors who were baptised in this > religion. > It was in Orangeburg District SC the churches name was St. Matthews in SC. > And also in charleston,SC. the churches name ST. Johns Luthern . > The names I have are Christina Spigener, 1780, > Henry Hoffman 1824 > Ann Dupont Spigener 1833 > Thank You for any help > Gerri > turnej@aol.com I am not sure what you are asking for here. Do you want current names and addresses? John Dornheim

In regard to Luthern religion I have ancestors who were baptised in this religion. It was in Orangeburg District SC the churches name was St. Matthews in SC. And also in charleston,SC. the churches name ST. Johns Luthern . The names I have are Christina Spigener, 1780, Henry Hoffman 1824 Ann Dupont Spigener 1833 Thank You for any help Gerri turnej@aol.com

My ancestor, Abraham Brosius,was one of the men involved in establishing the Trinity Lutheran Church in or around Reading, PA. I would like to know from what source of Church history and/or records would I seek information re: the history of this Church within the greater community of Lutheran Churches. Thank you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

Ella, By the way, the County Coordinator for Essex County, New Jersey, who is Glenn Geisheimer, has done some research regarding the records of Lutheran Churches in Essex County. He was a subscriber to this list at one time; if he's still here maybe he'll answer you directly. According to his county page, the records for Lutheran churches in Essex County, NJ, will most likely be found at the Lutheran Archives in Philadelphia, which is associated with the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America). See his page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njessex/towns/county/churcharchives.htm -- Mary Ella Hauser wrote: > > I think it is an excellent idea. Especially if you are talking about way > back when > and Lutheran Churches! I am getting nowhere in trying to find the church > William T. Reimann was "Lutheran Pastor" of in 1870's in Essex, New Jersey. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Dornheim <john19@unidial.com> > To: <LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L] List admin post -- need your opinion > > > All Lutheran Churches? My, Mary, that will be quite an undertaking. > > Luther95.org already offers free webspace to Lutheran Churches mine > > included. I wonder if we might be better off encouraging others to > > contact them and other groups alfready in existence. > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > John Dornheim > > > > > >

Ella, That makes me think that it would be best to start with those churches that are no longer in existence. Of course, figuring out which churches don't exist anymore could be tricky... I wonder if the Reimann genealogy posted to the address below could be related to your search? http://www.williamreimann.com/katya/reimann.html -- Mary Ella Hauser wrote: > > I think it is an excellent idea. Especially if you are talking about way > back when > and Lutheran Churches! I am getting nowhere in trying to find the church > William T. Reimann was "Lutheran Pastor" of in 1870's in Essex, New Jersey. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Dornheim <john19@unidial.com> > To: <LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L] List admin post -- need your opinion > > > All Lutheran Churches? My, Mary, that will be quite an undertaking. > > Luther95.org already offers free webspace to Lutheran Churches mine > > included. I wonder if we might be better off encouraging others to > > contact them and other groups alfready in existence. > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > John Dornheim > > > > > >

Ella Hauser wrote: > I think it is an excellent idea. Especially if you are talking about way > back when > and Lutheran Churches! I am getting nowhere in trying to find the church > William T. Reimann was "Lutheran Pastor" of in 1870's in Essex, New Jersey. Well, this is where such a list might come in handy. As there are no Lutheran Churches in Essex today, I would suggest contacting the Historical Society there or the two Lutheran Historical Societies. I believe that Mary has the url of each. John Dornheim

I think it is an excellent idea. Especially if you are talking about way back when and Lutheran Churches! I am getting nowhere in trying to find the church William T. Reimann was "Lutheran Pastor" of in 1870's in Essex, New Jersey. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Dornheim <john19@unidial.com> To: <LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L] List admin post -- need your opinion > All Lutheran Churches? My, Mary, that will be quite an undertaking. > Luther95.org already offers free webspace to Lutheran Churches mine > included. I wonder if we might be better off encouraging others to > contact them and other groups alfready in existence. > > Just my 2 cents, > John Dornheim > > >

John, Yes, I know this will be quite an undertaking. My goal is to have a genealogically-oriented directory, not a general directory. I don't plan to have a webpage FOR each church, but rather a webpage ABOUT each church -- a big difference. The webpage in the directory would of course include a link to any homepages found for each church -- no sense in duplicating information already available. But, what about all those churches that don't exist anymore, or that merged with other churches -- people need a place to go and find information about them. Also, while there are quite a few directories already out there, most seem to be geared to a specific synod. So, if you don't know the synod, you don't know where to look. My goal would be to point researchers to the proper synod, homepage, etc., for each church. Granted, the goal of "each church" will most likely never be reached. But hopefully we can gather useful genealogically-oriented information about many of them. Again, I say ABOUT -- not FOR. So, certainly we could point researchers in the direction of other resources that already exist. But, these pages will be searchable within Rootsweb, where many researchers come for information. Also, there are no resources similar to what I have in mind out there already, with the exception of a few individual churches that have posted a lot of information about themselves already, and from a historical point of view. Augustus Lutheran and New Hanover Lutheran come to mind there. I don't see this as a duplication of effort, if that is what concerns you. By all means, we would include links to any luther95.org & similar pages out there already. -- Mary John Dornheim wrote: > > All Lutheran Churches? My, Mary, that will be quite an undertaking. > Luther95.org already offers free webspace to Lutheran Churches mine > included. I wonder if we might be better off encouraging others to > contact them and other groups alfready in existence. > > Just my 2 cents, > John Dornheim

All Lutheran Churches? My, Mary, that will be quite an undertaking. Luther95.org already offers free webspace to Lutheran Churches mine included. I wonder if we might be better off encouraging others to contact them and other groups alfready in existence. Just my 2 cents, John Dornheim

Hello subscribers, Some time back, I mentioned a project that I was interested in undertaking; that of creating a directory of all known Lutheran churches, eventually with a separate webpage for each. Obviously it will be a very long time before that goal is reached, but I have begun the process of getting the directory together. I would like for you to take a look at the geographical index that I have started. So far, only entries for the state of Alabama have been added, and I know that they aren't complete yet. But just the same, if you could take a look at this page, and let me know whether the format is easy to use or not, that would help. If the format needs to be changed, it would be best to change it now before a lot of entries get added. The address is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mdtaffet/Lutheran_Churches/USA/geoindex.html Since it is a long address, it may wrap around for some of you, making it unusable. In that case, you can follow a path to get there. Start at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mdtaffet/ On that page, choose Lutheran-Roots: Directory of Lutheran Churches. On the next page, choose the Geographical Index link under USA. You may share your comments with me off-list, or on-list for the others to read and comment on if you wish. If you have strong opinions for changing the format, please let me know before I get too far into this project. One thing I should probably mention is that eventually each state will also have a separate index duplicating the information found on the main index so that those who know the state can go directly to it. -- Thanks, Mary Taffet List Administrator for LUTHERAN-ROOTS mdtaffet@syr.edu