Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/60 Surname: ------------------------- Thank you Dan for your response. Do you know of any books that may have mid 1700's Lutheran Church birth and marriages? Maybe in the Lancaster, Dauphin, and Northumberland, Co. Pa. areas? Thank you, Ali

I am hoping that those of you with Prussian ancestors can help me get a webring off the ground. I have just started a webring called "Prussia's Children". I noticed a need to link together websites that deal with Prussian History, Prussian Research, and genealogist who have posted their Prussian Roots on their websites. If you know anyone who has a site that fits the description listed above please pass along this email, or if your website meets the above requirements I would love to have you join. Here is the link to join the webring: http://ritaren.tripod.com/prussia.html I hope you all agree that this webring is needed. I am researching the Neumann Family who is from Kalthof, West Prussia & the Witt Family from Obernessau, West Prussia. Are there any others out there also researching these two families from the same area? Thanks alot ---- Rita Neumann __________________________________________________ Hope you visit my website!!! www.ritaren.com

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/59 Surname: Bachmann, Radtke, Chorynski, Merdas, Bassani, Lang, Thoerner ------------------------- looking for the ancestors of my grandparents. my paternal grandfather was Adam Bachman, he married Emilie Radtke, their only son was my father, Karl Bachmann. Adam was married before, his first wife's name was Thoerner. my maternal grandfather was Adam Chorynski, he married Agnes Merdas, my mother was one of their seven children.

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/58 Surname: BOLICH ------------------------- >From list of "Marriages of PA Soldiers and Patriots of Rev War" : Andrew BOLICH, jr of Berks Co. married a Margaret ....... (unknown surname) "Marriages by Rev. J G Anspach Lutheran Pastor in Mifflinburg, Union Co., PA" 10/14/1841 Andrew BOLICK and Lucetta SHIFFER of New Berlin, PA

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/55 Surname: ------------------------- >From the Central PA Marriages by Fisher : (page 33) 3/28/1841 Henry KNEPP Beaver Tp married Barbara Stock 11/26/1844 William KNEPP W. Beaver Tp and Sophia Peter 2/13/1851 Andrew KNEPP Beaver Tp and Malinda Klose 3/9/1854 Reuben KNEPP Mifflin Tp. and Maria Diemer 12/4/1856 Joseph KNEPP Mussers Valley and Barbara Stock 5/2/1867 Paul H KNEPP W. Beaver tp and Catharine Smith 11/25/1883 John KNEPP Snyder Co and Ellen Schrader (p 46) 9/21/1847 Isaac KNEPP and Anna Peters of W. Beaver Tp In 1855 Snyder Co was formed from part of Union Co.

John Dornheim wrote: > > "RHOADS, Roger" wrote: > > > I find in the older Evan. (German) Lutheran and German >>Reformed > > church records such things as lists of those who received communion >>in the > > past year or lists of those who plan to take communion in the near future. > > What was the purpose of such lists? Was it somewhat like a membership list? > > Yes, Lutherans were expected to commune a certain number of times each year in > order to remain active in eir congregations. In order that there was no > confusion, these records were kept. > > > > > Why the list of those planning to attend? > > I am not sure why these needed to be kept. Generally, a person who was planning > to commune on a Sunday was to make his or her intentions known to the pastor > either Friday or Saturday. Usually confession was heard. I remember something else about this that I found -- and still find -- quite odd. Keeping in mind that the husband is the spiritual head of household, however, this may not be actually strange. My father would head to town on a Saturday to "announce" for communion. This meant a stop at the parsonage where those "announcing" would wait in a nice parlor, visit, and wait for their turn. They then would be ushered into the pastor's study, declaring their -- AND their wife's -- intent to attend the Lord's Supper that Sunday. This, of course, did afford an opportunity to discuss anything troubling with the pastor. What was odd? My mother never "announced" for communion. My father did it for her. The presumption was that, the husband being the spiritual head of the family, if the wife is troubled, she talks to her husband. Of course, she would be free to make an appointment with the pastor herself, but she didn't "announce" for communion unless she was a widow or adult single woman not living under her father's roof. If she was an adult single woman under her father's roof, her father "announced" for her as well. > > > Was communion a personal > > voluntary action or was it with the approval of the pastor? > > Both, I suppose. Lutherans do not specify how often one must commune, but at > least twice yearly. Yes, in those days, and still in some churches, the pastor > needs to approve as he (usually not in churches where woman are pastors) is the > guardian of the faith. There also was the matter of preparing as close as possible the amount of bread and wine to be used. Anyone who has ever served on an altar guild may have heard the stories of pouring all the consecrated wine left in either the chalice or the flagon directly onto the ground OR, if there wasn't much remaining, of the elders drinking the remainder of the consecrated wine while they counted the collection. This, of course, was wasteful in terms of cost, but considered necessary to not mix consecrated wine with unconsecrated wine in storage. Working sacristies are SUPPOSED to have one drain that goes directly to the bare ground outside the church into which is poured any left-over consecrated wine. Hardly anyone does this anymore, however. The wine left in the chalice is, of course, discarded because some saliva has been mixed in it. But the wine left in the flagon is often returned to storage for use another time. When I was in junior college in Concordia, Missouri, the pastor of the local congregation actually stopped the service one Sunday, because he had run out of wafers. He went through the ENTIRE consecration of bread ceremony again. Then gave us college students a lecture on registering for communion before noon on Saturday at our dormitories so the count could be sent over to the church. -- Loretta Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ Ford County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ Iroquois County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/

BAPTISM Infant baptism has been practiced by orthodox Lutherans pretty much since the days of the Reformation. Adults who had never been baptized were baptized and confirmed, usually in the presence of the congregation or the Elders. Don't really know of any time when historically orthodox Lutherans didn't practice infant baptism. In fact, it was usually done as quickly after birth as possible, even in normal cases, within the week - in emergencies, ASAP. Erv

In the more conservative Lutheran churches, people wanting to partake of communion had to be "official" members of the congregation and had to announce their intent to the Pastor, often undergoing some sort of doctrinal questioning or even a type of confession. No one was allowed to commune without first "pre-registering". As time progressed, sometimes the Pastor would delegate this to the elders (or vorstehers). The lists of those who comuned were kept, because in order to remain a member, church protocol (or constitution) called for a person to commune a certain number of times and make a contribution (of record) in the year previous. These lists served very practical purposes according to the protocol of the congregation and are an invaluable source of information today. Erv Milwaukee, Wi

"RHOADS, Roger" wrote: > I find in the older Evan. (German) Lutheran and German Reformed > church records such things as lists of those who received communion in the > past year or lists of those who plan to take communion in the near future. > What was the purpose of such lists? Was it somewhat like a membership list? Yes, Lutherans were expected to commune a certain number of times each year in order to remain active in eir congregations. In order that there was no confusion, these records were kept. > > Why the list of those planning to attend? I am not sure why these needed to be kept. Generally, a person who was planning to commune on a Sunday was to make his or her intentions known to the pastor either Friday or Saturday. Usually confession was heard. > Was communion a personal > voluntary action or was it with the approval of the pastor? Both, I suppose. Lutherans do not specify how often one must commune, but at least twice yearly. Yes, in those days, and still in some churches, the pastor needs to approve as he (usually not in churches where woman are pastors) is the guardian of the faith. > > I also find lists of baptisms that are for adults only, no children, > yet today the baptism of a child is quite common. When did this change? I think that this would be more a reflection of the times. Perhaps more adults were converting to the faith. Lutherans have always practiced infant baptism but there might have been a frontier strain that didn't. Sometimes, Lutherans have tried to blend in with their neighbors. > > > Roger Rhoads Hope that this helps, (Pr.) John Dornheim

I find in the older Evan. (German) Lutheran and German Reformed church records such things as lists of those who received communion in the past year or lists of those who plan to take communion in the near future. What was the purpose of such lists? Was it somewhat like a membership list? Why the list of those planning to attend? Was communion a personal voluntary action or was it with the approval of the pastor? I also find lists of baptisms that are for adults only, no children, yet today the baptism of a child is quite common. When did this change? Roger Rhoads

Hello! My gggg-grandfather Rev. Johann Yeager was born in York County in the 1760s. He became a Lutheran minister to many churches in the Lehigh and Northampton Co., PA area. His son Joshua was also a minister. Does anyone have a connection to Rev. Yeager? Or know the name and location of the Lutheran church were Rev. Jacob Goehring taught him in York PA? Thank you. Josh Brown Millersville University of Pennsylvania German Major, Russian Minor

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/54 Surname: ------------------------- I find nothing on either spelling. the dates in the book are from 1730-1799. I was so disappointed in the book that I offered to do look ups so no one else would be parted with their money. If you need anything else, please email me directly Have you considered the name Bender, or Fender? There are Benders in the book, but no Fender. Patty

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/53 Surname: ------------------------- Sorry, nothing that even sounds the same.

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/52 Surname: ------------------------- Nothing that even sounds the same, sorry.

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/51 Surname: Ours ------------------------- Hi Karen, It is very nice of you to offer to do look ups for people. I have a Lutheran, German background. I noticed that one of your surnames you are researching is similiar to my maidan surname - Ours. It's not a common name as it changed from Auer to Our and finally to Ours. Johannes Auer came to the USA in 1753 from Germany with his wife and son, but I am not sure when all the name changes took place. You wrote: I purchased a book on early Lutheran baptisms and marriages from Rev. John Casper Stoever from 1730-1779 if anyone would like a look up. I would be greatful if you could look and see if you can find any of the following people: 1. Johannes Auer / His name may have changed to John Our & his wife was Catherinia Matthias they were married in Germany 1737. Johannes Auer's two sons follow: 2. Johannes Godfrey Auer he was born in Germany 1739/ changed to John Our & he married his wife Anna Maria Wetherhold/Wetherholt-(spelling?) on 20 Jan, 1776 in Winchester, Frederick Co., Va. 3. Searchman/Sigmund Auer he was born in 1755 in Hampshire County, Va., USA - He went by many first names. Not sure if he used the name Our. His wife was Mary Simon they married 1780 in Pendleton Co., Va.. My line is through John Godfrey Our. His children were: Henry Ours Nicholas Ours Sarah Ours John Ours Any help or info on these people or any Ours you may find would be greatly appreciated. You can e-mail me at syrex@coslink.net Thank You, Alice Ours Tower

Hello listers, I have already notified Cynthia that I moved her query from the Bible board to the Query board, since queries are not allowed on the Bible board. If you wish to reply to Cynthia, follow this link, not the last one. If you try to follow the previous link, you will get an error because that message has been removed. -- Mary Taffet Board & List Admin for LUTHERAN-ROOTS mdtaffet@syr.edu Cynthia Bolick Gilbert wrote: > > Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/49 > > Surname: Bolch, Bolick > ------------------------- > > Does anyone have any Bible records with the names Bolch or Bolick listed? > My ancestor Johan Adam Bolch left his Bible to his son Godfrey and it hasn't > been seen. i would appreciate any help you might be able to offer. > Cynthia Bolick Gilbert

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/50 Surname: fINTER, fENTER, fENDER ------------------------- tHANK-YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING SO KIND TO OFFER LOOKUPS. mY COUSINS AND i ARE RESEARCHING THE fINTER(OR fENTER/fENDER) FAMILY. sUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ENTERED INTO rEV. sTOEVER'S RECORDS IN THE yORK AREA AND ALSO IN THE lANCASTER AREA BEFORE POSSIBLY MOVING ON TO vA. wE WOULD LIKE ANYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY FIND FOR US. iF WHILE LOOKING, YOU HAPPEN TO THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD PURCHAS FOR ME, WOULD YOU LET ME KNOW? mY PORTION OF THE fINTER CLAN IS IN nj, AND i'M HAVING ONE HECK OF A TIME GETTING ANYTHING. aNY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE GRATEFULLY AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY RECEIVED! tHANK-YOU. aNTONIA

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/49 Surname: Bolch, Bolick ------------------------- Does anyone have any Bible records with the names Bolch or Bolick listed? My ancestor Johan Adam Bolch left his Bible to his son Godfrey and it hasn't been seen. i would appreciate any help you might be able to offer. Cynthia Bolick Gilbert

Posted on: Lutheran Roots Bible Records Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRootsBibl/3 Surname: Bolch, Bolick ------------------------- Does anyone have any Bible records with the names Bolch or Bolick listed? My ancestor Johan Adam Bolch left his Bible to his son Godfrey and it hasn't been seen. i would appreciate any help you might be able to offer. Cynthia Bolick Gilbert

terry fritz hess wrote: > Posted on: Lutheran Roots Wills > Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRootsWill/2 > > Surname: hess > ------------------------- > > I am looking for information on benjamin hess when he was in the civil > war( benjamin hess from columbia county in pennsylvania ) A subscriber to Ancestry.com could at least let you know what is listed there and point you in the right direction. The name shows up in three databases for the Civil War there. John Dornheim