Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/86 Surname: Schilling ------------------------- I am looking for information about my Great Grandfather, Friedrich Schilling who immigrated from Prussia in 1852. He sailed from Bremen aboard the ship BREMERHAVEN, arriving in New Orleans on the 27th of October, 1852. He was born March 11, 1828 and came to join a group of Saxon Lutherans in Perry County, Missouri, who preceded him by immigrating in 1839 under the leadership of pastor Stephans. The ships manifest does not list a village or town that he came from. I would like to know where he came from and if there are any surviving family that I might contact. [Note: Board admin moved this post from Obituaries board to Queries board where it belongs; message has been deleted from the Obituaries board.]
Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/85 Surname: SCHAUWECKER, GREISMAN, BARRETT, EYERMAN, TAYLOR, LIPPOLD ------------------------- Looking for data on this Cumberland, Allegany Co, MD family, or help in finding data. Carl Friedrich SCHAUWECKER, born 5 Mar 1840 Reutlingen (Germany), imm October 1860 to Cumberland, MD with brother Wilhelm Robert SCHAUWECKER. Father Wilhelm Robert SCHAUWECKER, b 26 Oct 1847 Reutlingen (Germany), Mother Sophia GREISMAN. Children of Wilhelm Robert SCHAUWECKER & Sophia GREISMAN: 1. Frank A. SCHAUWECKER, single. 2. Sophia Ellen SCHAUWECKER, sp William H. BARRETT. 3. Ellen SCHAUWECKER, sp Oscar EYERMAN. 4. Marguarite SCHAUWECKER, single. 5. Bertha SCHAUWECKER, sp Melvin TAYLOR. 6. Marian SCHAUWECKER, sp William LIPPOLD. This is all I know about the family. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Karen [Note: Board admin moved this post from Obituaries board to the Query board where it belongs; message has been deleted from the Obituaries board.]
Good morning, I have had to research family from a defunct church that was absorbed by another nearby. I found that the records also moved to the new congregation along with the new members that elected to join the new congregation. I don't know if this is true in all cases. This brings up another point that I have also run into researching some Lutheran Churches. Basically, the refusal of the minister to give out information from past members that could have been your ancestors. Is there an "official" church law that leaves it up to the individual church ministers to make a decision? I understand that this decision could be tempered by "I can't do it all". But with youth groups in the churches, I would think that most youth would be willing to do lookups for genealogists along with donations to help defray the cost of materials. Any thoughts or insights on "official rules" governing this sort of thing? Regards, Robert Lipprandt rloss@bellsouth.net Researching: Lipprandt, Buscher, Hamann, Munzel, Obschernings, Rudau, Ohlendorf, Schneidereit. ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Haworth <woolspinner@hotmail.com> To: <LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 8:57 AM Subject: [LUTH-ROOTS] Luthern Church Records > Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries > Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/81 > > Surname: GRANT > ------------------------- > > I would like to know how to locate the master list of church members since > the church I seek no longer exists.. > Thank You > Betty > >
Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/84 Surname: Hess ------------------------- A subscriber to Ancestry.com could at least let you know what is listed there and point you in the right direction. The name shows up in three databases for the Civil War there. [Note: Board admin moved this post from the Wills board to the Query board where it belongs; message has been deleted from the Wills board.]
Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/83 Surname: hess ------------------------- I am looking for information on benjamin hess when he was in the civil war( benjamin hess from columbia county in pennsylvania ) [Note: Board admin moved this post from the Wills board to the Query board where it belongs. This message has been deleted from the Wills board.]
Just a note while German Reformed is being discussed. Many times records will show a Union church or congregation. This generally means Evan. Lutheran and German Reformed congregations sharing the same building, sometimes on alternate Sundays. Roger Rhoads
Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/LutheranRoots/82 Surname: simmons ------------------------- im looking for anything on my g-father he was born on dec. 15 1907 and was issued a ssn before 1951. All my dad will say is that he was german and that they ended up in ohio please help Im at a dead end. bridgettevines@hotmail.com [Note: Board Admin moved query to Query page from Bible records page as it belongs on the query board instead; message has been deleted from the Bible records board.]
Posted on: Lutheran Roots Bible Records Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRootsBibl/4 Surname: simmons ------------------------- im looking for anything on my g-father he was born on dec. 15 1907 and was issued a ssn before 1951. All my dad will say is that he was german and that they ended up in ohio please help Im at a dead end. bridgettevines@hotmail.com
Posted on: Lutheran Roots Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/LutheranRoots/81 Surname: GRANT ------------------------- I would like to know how to locate the master list of church members since the church I seek no longer exists.. Thank You Betty
There are still Union Churches in Pennsylvania. The church to which I belong, Ziegels Union Church, recently celebrated 250 years of joint ministry in our community (Weisenberg Township, Lehigh Co.) The German Reformed Church, as a previous writer noted, merged into the Evangelical and Reformed Church and in 1957 into the United Church of Christ. The Evangelical and Reformed Historical Society, located at Lancaster Theological Seminary, is a wonderful resource for anyone looking into the Reformed Church. Many churches set up a union for economic reasons; two congregations could more readily support the operating expenses of a church building. Over time, some of the Reformeds intermarried with Lutherans, so it is useful to check both sets of records in searching for genealogical information. Many churches which at one point were union have divided into separate churches, but there are still some which continue to operate as a joint ministry. FYI If anyone is interested in a 52 page commemorative booklet on the history of Ziegels Union Church, the church is selling extras for $10 plus $2 shipping. Write to the church at 9990 Ziegels Church Rd., Breinigsville, PA 18031.
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Yes, this is probably true. As recently as 1985, I knew of a United Church of Christ congregation in New York City that considered itself Lutheran and even used the Lutheran Book of Worship (the congregation probably still exists). I also have heard of a group within the UCC whose purpose was to promote Lutheran theology within the denomination, though this group may no longer be in existence. Many immigrants that came from the Prussian Evangelical Union and founded congregations in the U.S. would have considered themselves Lutheran and would have looked for Lutheran clergy to serve them ("evangelisch" simply means protestant in Germany). Denominational lines were also often blurred due to the influences of Pietism, Rationalism and Liberalism. In Pennsylvania, the Reformed (German Calvinists) and Lutherans lived very closely, many times sharing the same church building or even forming true union congregations. I know at the time of the ELCA merger there were still a few congregations in Pennsylvania that held dual memberships in the Lutheran Church of America and the United Church of Christ. These congregations were given a timeline in which choose the ELCA or the UCC, as the ELCA was not going to allow these dual memberships. Ironically enough, of course, now the ELCA and the UCC are in full communion, which makes such situations possible again. > From: John Dornheim <john19@unidial.com> > Organization: http://www.luther95.org/SLELC-DMD/ > Reply-To: john19@unidial.com > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:42:22 -0500 > To: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LUTH-ROOTS] Introduction > Resent-From: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 06:41:33 -0800 > > It is my understanding that some of these E and R's were served by > Lutheran clergy and did even tually move into membership in Lutheran > bodies. At least in Pennsylvania. > > Pr. John Dornheim > >
It is my understanding that some of these E and R's were served by Lutheran clergy and did even tually move into membership in Lutheran bodies. At least in Pennsylvania. Pr. John Dornheim
My apologies. Sometimes I check my personal e-mail through a web site while I am at work. When I reply, the interface automatically sends the message to the author of the original message and not the group for some reason. I will try to make sure my replies are sent back to the group list from now on. The German Reformed Church was more or less strictly Calvinist in doctrine. In the 1930s, it merged with the German Evangelical Church to form the Evangelical and Reformed Church. Prussia had forced a union between the Lutheran and Reformed churches in its territories beginning in the early 1800s. Immigrants from those areas formed the German Evangelical Church in the U.S., and so it had a mixture of Lutheran and Reformed doctrine. Some congregations would have considered themselves essentially Lutheran, but neither the German Evangelical Church, nor later the Evangelical and Reformed Church, were ever in communion with any of the Lutheran denominations, as far as I know. In 1958 the Evangelical and Reformed Church merged with the Congregational Christian Churches to form the United Church of Christ (which IS now in full communion with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America). > From: "Ella Hauser" <ellah@prodigy.net> > Organization: Prodigy Internet > Reply-To: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:15:08 -0500 > To: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LUTH-ROOTS] Introduction > Resent-From: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:23:51 -0800 > > Scott, wish you would answer to Alice to the list as others would be > interested > in both your answers. > > Also, do you know if the German Reform Church is "Lutheran"? This was > in 1870 in NJ > > Ella in Michigan > >
Scott, wish you would answer to Alice to the list as others would be interested in both your answers. Also, do you know if the German Reform Church is "Lutheran"? This was in 1870 in NJ Ella in Michigan
Great map to download! Thank you for that and the education. Regards, Robert Lipprandt Researching: Lipprandt, Münzel, Kaufmann, Grobe, Runge, Schmalz~ Großfahner, Sachsen-Colburg-Gotha, Preußen ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Holl <scottholl@earthlink.net> To: <LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: [LUTH-ROOTS] Re: PML Search Result matching Germany > Ooops! You are right. I was thinking in modern terms. > > ------Original Message------ > From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> > To: Scott Holl <scottholl@earthlink.net> > Sent: December 1, 2000 3:49:24 PM GMT > Subject: Re: PML Search Result matching Germany > > > no. Niedersachsen today is NOT the same one in old times. :pwer > Saxony did not extend all the way to Hanover. > see: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/map/germanempire.htm > you can see the Lower Saxony at the time was the area north of > Kingdom of Saxony, known as Provinz Sachsen (Province of Saxony) > and it is about the area that encompasses today's state of > Sachsen-Anhalt. > > today's State of Niedersachsen is a 1945 invention. > > David > GermanyGenweb Project Coordinator > > Scott Holl wrote: > > > > ===================================================================== > > A result of your requested PML search. To refine or cancel this > > search, please visit http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > ===================================================================== > > Source: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [LUTH-ROOTS] Lower Saxony > > > > Lower Saxony in German is "Niedersachsen." It is a state in northwestern > > Germany. > > > > ------Original Message------ > > From: "RHOADS, Roger" <Roger_RHOADS@Montellna.com> > > To: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: December 1, 2000 1:14:47 PM GMT > > Subject: [LUTH-ROOTS] Lower Saxony > > > > Today it's part of Germany. Look on good map for the state of > Neidersaxony > > (or some spelling like that). > > > > Roger Rhoads > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > I have many times heard of the term "lower Saxony", but no one has been > able > > to actually verify the area in question. What land mass did it encompass? > > > > Regards, > > Robert Lipprandt > > rloss@bellsouth.net > > > > > > > > >
It's actually spelled <Nieder Sachsen> Erika Bullmann Flores Translator ebflores @tir.com ----- Original Message ----- From: RHOADS, Roger <Roger_RHOADS@Montellna.com> To: <LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:14 AM Subject: [LUTH-ROOTS] Lower Saxony > Today it's part of Germany. Look on good map for the state of Neidersaxony > (or some spelling like that). > > Roger Rhoads > > -----Original Message----- > > I have many times heard of the term "lower Saxony", but no one has been able > to actually verify the area in question. What land mass did it encompass? > > Regards, > Robert Lipprandt > rloss@bellsouth.net > > > > >
Ooops! You are right. I was thinking in modern terms. ------Original Message------ From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> To: Scott Holl <scottholl@earthlink.net> Sent: December 1, 2000 3:49:24 PM GMT Subject: Re: PML Search Result matching Germany no. Niedersachsen today is NOT the same one in old times. :pwer Saxony did not extend all the way to Hanover. see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/map/germanempire.htm you can see the Lower Saxony at the time was the area north of Kingdom of Saxony, known as Provinz Sachsen (Province of Saxony) and it is about the area that encompasses today's state of Sachsen-Anhalt. today's State of Niedersachsen is a 1945 invention. David GermanyGenweb Project Coordinator Scott Holl wrote: > > ===================================================================== > A result of your requested PML search. To refine or cancel this > search, please visit http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > ===================================================================== > Source: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [LUTH-ROOTS] Lower Saxony > > Lower Saxony in German is "Niedersachsen." It is a state in northwestern > Germany. > > ------Original Message------ > From: "RHOADS, Roger" <Roger_RHOADS@Montellna.com> > To: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: December 1, 2000 1:14:47 PM GMT > Subject: [LUTH-ROOTS] Lower Saxony > > Today it's part of Germany. Look on good map for the state of Neidersaxony > (or some spelling like that). > > Roger Rhoads > > -----Original Message----- > > I have many times heard of the term "lower Saxony", but no one has been able > to actually verify the area in question. What land mass did it encompass? > > Regards, > Robert Lipprandt > rloss@bellsouth.net > >
Lower Saxony in German is "Niedersachsen." It is a state in northwestern Germany. ------Original Message------ From: "RHOADS, Roger" <Roger_RHOADS@Montellna.com> To: LUTHERAN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: December 1, 2000 1:14:47 PM GMT Subject: [LUTH-ROOTS] Lower Saxony Today it's part of Germany. Look on good map for the state of Neidersaxony (or some spelling like that). Roger Rhoads -----Original Message----- I have many times heard of the term "lower Saxony", but no one has been able to actually verify the area in question. What land mass did it encompass? Regards, Robert Lipprandt rloss@bellsouth.net