You're right. In 1910, 1920, and 1930 he gives his age as 60, 70, and 80 respectively. But, there is still NO Harvey associated with that group of that age either. Fred, have you seen (or made copies of) the originals on the marriage certs? Was there any additional info there? Age? etc? -----Original Message----- From: ron ludington [mailto:ronlud@execulink.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:18 AM To: LUDDINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LUDDINGTON] Joseph Ludington Wonderful info there Rachel. I agree that no Joseph shows in that family; however it may have been a second name?? Harvery S Lud was b March 18 (my birthdate too) in 1860 but always seems to have wanted to be shown, in later census, as b in 1850. He always seems to show as 10 yrs older than he was. Strange? Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel bryan" <bryan.rachel@worldnet.att.net> To: <LUDDINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [LUDDINGTON] Joseph Ludington I agree with Ron here. Family stories always get changed over time. Someone remembers wrong, hears wrong, whatever. There is no evidence for a Joseph, unless Reynolds was Joseph. He married Stella Harden in 1879, and disappears. I haven't been able to find any trace of either Reynolds OR Stella in the 1880 census, or beyond. But, that wedding was 20 years before Harvey and Gertrude. Could the Joseph in the story have been a cousin or other relative? Age wise, it seems as if Hiram MUST be Harvey. I wonder if with 2 Harveys already in the household it was just too confusing. 1850:Danville, Vermilion, IL Ludington, Henry (Harvey) 305 56 Mary 52 Elsie 26 Phoebe 24 John 21 Harvey 15 James A 7 Stephen T 5 ****************** 1860:IL Vermillion Danville Ludington John Q 31 IL Carpenter Clara 26 IL Mynette 8 IL ------------------------------------------------- Ludington Harvey 66 NY Surveyor H S-male 24 IL Carpenter Catherine 27 IN Crandle Thomas 8 IL Ludington Reynolds 1 IL Hiram 2/12 IL ******************* 1870: IL Vermilion County Danville Luddington James (Jas) 27 machinist IL Marietta 20 IN --------------------------------------------- Luddington Harvey 35 pattern maker IL Catherine 37 IN Jas. 17 moulder IL Reynolds 13 IL Hiram 11 IL Frank 9 IL Harvey 77 NY ---------------------------------------------- young Shoemaker family then: ---------------------------------------------- Ludington John 41 carpenter IL Clarrissa 37 keeping house OH Ella 10 IL Shoemaker Minette 18 IL Heller Augusta 3 IL Shoemaker George ?/12 IL ****************** 1880:Danville, Vermilion, Illinois Catharine LUDDINGTON Wid 38 IN ENGLAND VA ------------------------------------------------ Andrew C. RAYMOND Self M Male W 47 NY Teaming NY NY Caroline RAYMOND Wife M Female W 47 OH Keeping House PA PA Charles RAYMOND Son S Male W 18 IL Laborer NY OH Frank RAYMOND Son S Male W 12 IL At School NY OH Lue LUDDINGTON Other M Male W 40 OH Laborer NY NY -------------------------------------------------- John LUDDINGTON Self M Male W 51 IL Carpenter NY NY Clara LUDDINGTON Wife M Female W 48 OH Keeps House IREL SCOT Ellan LUDDINGTON Dau S Female W 19 IL Helps Keep House IL OH Gussie HELLER GDau S Female W 13 IL At School IL OH --------------------------------------------------- Still 1880: Catlin, Vermilion, Illinois Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Thomas WILLIAMS Self M Male W 76 CORNWELL CO ENG Farmer CORNWELL ENG CORNWELL ENG Margarett WILLIAMS Wife M Female W 63 HAMILTON CO. IN Keeping House MD VA Sarah DRISKEL SDau W Female W 37 MONTGOMERY CO. IN Keeping House MONTGOMERY CO. IN HAMILTON CO IN Laura DRISKEL SGDau S Female W 5 MONTGOMERY CO. IN Attending School MONTGOMERY CO. IN HAMILTON CO IN Frank LUDDINGTON GSon S Male W 17 VERMILION CO. IL Farm Laborer VERMILION CO IL RIPLEY CO IN LUDINGTON, HARVEY A + CARROLL, ELLA*05/19/1882*VERMILION LUDDINGTON, REYNOLDS + HARDEN, STELLA*06/06/1879*VERMILION LUDINGTON, JAMES A + BARKER, ALICE*11/27/1866*VERMILION LUDINGTON, JAMES A + SNIDER, LOUISA*04/24/1866*VERMILION LUDINGTON, JOHN Q A + SAPP, CLARISSA*05/22/1851*VERMILION LUDINTON, STEPHEN F + MILLER, LIZA J*08/04/1842*VERMILION LUDINGTON, HARVEY S + GILBERT, GERTRUDE*03/01/1898*COOK Illinois Statewide Death Index, Pre-1916 work in progress/ dates completed vary by county: COOK County 1871-1915 Vermilion County None (no death records entered yet) NO JOSEPH LUD DEATH IN COOK COUNTY Name of Deceased Date City Age Sex Vol. Page Certificate No. County LUDDINGTON, ROBERT 10/28/1881 CHICAGO 01 YR U 00011950 COOK LUDDINGTON, THOMAS 04/24/1898 CHICAGO 14 YR U 00010986 COOK LUDDINGTON, WM 10/18/1881 CHICAGO 04 YR U 00011942 COOK LUDINGTON, AGNES J 02/04/1905 CHICAGO 48 YR U 00009553 COOK LUDINGTON, CHARLOTTE J 03/03/1906 CHICAGO 82 YR U 00009654 COOK LUDINGTON, CORNELIA E 09/15/1905 CHICAGO 70 YR U 00009711 COOK LUDINGTON, EDWARD A 07/02/1900 CHICAGO 16 YR U 00010553 COOK LUDINGTON, EMELINE M 09/21/1904 CHICAGO 83 YR U 00009594 COOK LUDINGTON, FRANCIS J 11/21/1911 COOK COUNTY 71 YR U 00010914 COOK LUDINGTON, FRANK 03/22/1895 CHICAGO 05 YR U 00010926 COOK LUDINGTON, FRED 12/07/1886 CHICAGO 02 YR U 00000811 COOK LUDINGTON, GEO N 03/26/1892 CHICAGO 03 MO U 00010444 COOK LUDINGTON, GEORGE 03/25/1904 COOK COUNTY 37 YR U 00008092 COOK LUDINGTON, HOPO 01/26/1892 CHICAGO 03 YR U 00010196 COOK LUDINGTON, HOWARD 10/16/1899 CHICAGO 06 YR U 00010886 COOK LUDINGTON, J F 10/29/1891 CHICAGO 33 YR U 00008941 COOK LUDINGTON, JENNIE N 12/08/1907 CHICAGO 68 YR U 00019003 COOK LUDINGTON, LEWIS 10/21/1909 CHICAGO 72 YR U 00010342 COOK LUDINGTON, MAMIE 09/02/1881 CHICAGO 01 YR U 00010741 COOK LUDINGTON, MARY A 06/28/1898 CHICAGO 44 YR U 00011113 COOK LUDINGTON, MARY L 05/12/1913 CHICAGO 74 YR U 00009894 COOK LUDINGTON, MOSIS J 01/06/1881 CHICAGO 38 YR U 00000485 COOK LUDINGTON, NICHLOES 03/29/1913 CHICAGO 02 MO U 00010332 COOK LUDINGTON, REBEKA 08/18/1886 CHICAGO 05 DA U 00089061 COOK LUDINGTON, VARONA A 08/14/1882 CHICAGO 17 YR U 00008566 COOK LUDINGTON, WM W 05/21/1897 CHICAGO 72 YR U 00010970 COOK -----Original Message----- From: Fred Jones [mailto:bugler103@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:27 PM To: LUDDINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LUDDINGTON] Joseph Ludington Harvey 2. He would be my grandfather's brother. I suspect Joseph went to Chicago but I have no proof of anything on him. I believe this is the brother of my grandfather Harvey that was supposed to marry Gertrude my grandfather. When grandpa went to Chicago for the funeral he met Gertrude and they eventually married. Fred ==== LUDDINGTON Mailing List ==== Visit the new Luddington Message Board at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.luddington ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 ==== LUDDINGTON Mailing List ==== Visit the new Luddington Message Board at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.luddington ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. 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There is no way my grandfather Harvey could have been born in 1850. His father and mother, Harvey Ludington II and Catherine Crandall were married in Danville, Illinois on the 24th of December, 1857. I have the marriage certificate. Witnessed by John Short, county clerk for the county of Vermillion, city of Danville. I also have my grandfathers marriage certificate when Harvey Ludington III and Gertrude Gilbert were married in Chicago, Illinois county of Cook They were married 7 March 1898. Grandpa was born on 19 March 1860. Gertrude was engaged to Harvey's brother but passed away. Harvey went up for the funeral, met Gertrude and they were married. Moved to Seattle, Washington. Another fable was that Harvey rode with the Pony Express. Checking the dates the Pony Express existed, Harvey would have been 3 years old riding to Denver, fighting indians and weather. I have the documentation on all of these. Fred (Ace) Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel bryan" <bryan.rachel@worldnet.att.net> To: <LUDDINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: RE: [LUDDINGTON] Joseph Ludington > You're right. In 1910, 1920, and 1930 he gives his age as 60, 70, and 80 > respectively. But, there is still NO Harvey associated with that group of > that age either. > > Fred, have you seen (or made copies of) the originals on the marriage > certs? > Was there any additional info there? Age? etc? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ron ludington [mailto:ronlud@execulink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:18 AM > To: LUDDINGTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LUDDINGTON] Joseph Ludington > > > Wonderful info there Rachel. > I agree that no Joseph shows in that family; however it may have been a > second name?? > Harvery S Lud was b March 18 (my birthdate too) in 1860 but always seems > to > have wanted to be shown, in later census, as b in 1850. He always seems to > show as 10 yrs older than he was. Strange? > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rachel bryan" <bryan.rachel@worldnet.att.net> > To: <LUDDINGTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:08 PM > Subject: RE: [LUDDINGTON] Joseph Ludington > > > I agree with Ron here. > Family stories always get changed over time. Someone remembers wrong, > hears > wrong, whatever. There is no evidence for a Joseph, unless Reynolds was > Joseph. He married Stella Harden in 1879, and disappears. I haven't been > able to find any trace of either Reynolds OR Stella in the 1880 census, or > beyond. But, that wedding was 20 years before Harvey and Gertrude. Could > the Joseph in the story have been a cousin or other relative? Age wise, > it seems as if Hiram MUST be Harvey. I wonder if with 2 Harveys already > in > the household it was just too confusing. > > 1850:Danville, Vermilion, IL > Ludington, Henry (Harvey) 305 56 > Mary 52 > Elsie 26 > Phoebe 24 > John 21 > Harvey 15 > James A 7 > Stephen T 5 > > ****************** > > 1860:IL Vermillion Danville > Ludington John Q 31 IL Carpenter > Clara 26 IL > Mynette 8 IL > ------------------------------------------------- > Ludington Harvey 66 NY Surveyor > H S-male 24 IL Carpenter > Catherine 27 IN > Crandle Thomas 8 IL > Ludington Reynolds 1 IL > Hiram 2/12 IL > > ******************* > > 1870: IL Vermilion County Danville > Luddington James (Jas) 27 machinist IL > Marietta 20 IN > --------------------------------------------- > Luddington Harvey 35 pattern maker IL > Catherine 37 IN > Jas. 17 moulder IL > Reynolds 13 IL > Hiram 11 IL > Frank 9 IL > Harvey 77 NY > ---------------------------------------------- > young Shoemaker family then: > ---------------------------------------------- > Ludington John 41 carpenter IL > Clarrissa 37 keeping house OH > Ella 10 IL > Shoemaker Minette 18 IL > Heller Augusta 3 IL > Shoemaker George ?/12 IL > > ****************** > > 1880:Danville, Vermilion, Illinois > Catharine LUDDINGTON Wid 38 IN ENGLAND VA > ------------------------------------------------ > Andrew C. RAYMOND Self M Male W 47 NY Teaming NY NY > Caroline RAYMOND Wife M Female W 47 OH Keeping House PA > PA > Charles RAYMOND Son S Male W 18 IL Laborer NY OH > Frank RAYMOND Son S Male W 12 IL At School NY OH > Lue LUDDINGTON Other M Male W 40 OH Laborer NY NY > -------------------------------------------------- > John LUDDINGTON Self M Male W 51 IL Carpenter NY NY > Clara LUDDINGTON Wife M Female W 48 OH Keeps House IREL > SCOT > Ellan LUDDINGTON Dau S Female W 19 IL Helps Keep House IL > OH > Gussie HELLER GDau S Female W 13 IL At School IL OH > --------------------------------------------------- > Still 1880: Catlin, Vermilion, Illinois > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation > Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace > Thomas WILLIAMS Self M Male W 76 CORNWELL CO ENG Farmer > CORNWELL ENG CORNWELL ENG > Margarett WILLIAMS Wife M Female W 63 HAMILTON CO. IN > Keeping > House MD VA > Sarah DRISKEL SDau W Female W 37 MONTGOMERY CO. IN Keeping > House MONTGOMERY CO. IN HAMILTON CO IN > Laura DRISKEL SGDau S Female W 5 MONTGOMERY CO. IN Attending > School MONTGOMERY CO. IN HAMILTON CO IN > Frank LUDDINGTON GSon S Male W 17 VERMILION CO. IL Farm > Laborer VERMILION CO IL RIPLEY CO IN > > LUDINGTON, HARVEY A + CARROLL, ELLA*05/19/1882*VERMILION > LUDDINGTON, REYNOLDS + HARDEN, STELLA*06/06/1879*VERMILION > LUDINGTON, JAMES A + BARKER, ALICE*11/27/1866*VERMILION > LUDINGTON, JAMES A + SNIDER, LOUISA*04/24/1866*VERMILION > LUDINGTON, JOHN Q A + SAPP, CLARISSA*05/22/1851*VERMILION > LUDINTON, STEPHEN F + MILLER, LIZA J*08/04/1842*VERMILION > > LUDINGTON, HARVEY S + GILBERT, GERTRUDE*03/01/1898*COOK > > Illinois Statewide Death Index, Pre-1916 > work in progress/ dates completed vary by county: > COOK County 1871-1915 > Vermilion County None (no death records entered yet) > NO JOSEPH LUD DEATH IN COOK COUNTY > Name of Deceased Date City Age Sex Vol. Page Certificate No. County > LUDDINGTON, ROBERT 10/28/1881 CHICAGO 01 YR U 00011950 COOK > LUDDINGTON, THOMAS 04/24/1898 CHICAGO 14 YR U 00010986 COOK > LUDDINGTON, WM 10/18/1881 CHICAGO 04 YR U 00011942 COOK > LUDINGTON, AGNES J 02/04/1905 CHICAGO 48 YR U 00009553 COOK > LUDINGTON, CHARLOTTE J 03/03/1906 CHICAGO 82 YR U 00009654 COOK > LUDINGTON, CORNELIA E 09/15/1905 CHICAGO 70 YR U 00009711 COOK > LUDINGTON, EDWARD A 07/02/1900 CHICAGO 16 YR U 00010553 COOK > LUDINGTON, EMELINE M 09/21/1904 CHICAGO 83 YR U 00009594 COOK > LUDINGTON, FRANCIS J 11/21/1911 COOK COUNTY 71 YR U 00010914 COOK > LUDINGTON, FRANK 03/22/1895 CHICAGO 05 YR U 00010926 COOK > LUDINGTON, FRED 12/07/1886 CHICAGO 02 YR U 00000811 COOK > LUDINGTON, GEO N 03/26/1892 CHICAGO 03 MO U 00010444 COOK > LUDINGTON, GEORGE 03/25/1904 COOK COUNTY 37 YR U 00008092 COOK > LUDINGTON, HOPO 01/26/1892 CHICAGO 03 YR U 00010196 COOK > LUDINGTON, HOWARD 10/16/1899 CHICAGO 06 YR U 00010886 COOK > LUDINGTON, J F 10/29/1891 CHICAGO 33 YR U 00008941 COOK > LUDINGTON, JENNIE N 12/08/1907 CHICAGO 68 YR U 00019003 COOK > LUDINGTON, LEWIS 10/21/1909 CHICAGO 72 YR U 00010342 COOK > LUDINGTON, MAMIE 09/02/1881 CHICAGO 01 YR U 00010741 COOK > LUDINGTON, MARY A 06/28/1898 CHICAGO 44 YR U 00011113 COOK > LUDINGTON, MARY L 05/12/1913 CHICAGO 74 YR U 00009894 COOK > LUDINGTON, MOSIS J 01/06/1881 CHICAGO 38 YR U 00000485 COOK > LUDINGTON, NICHLOES 03/29/1913 CHICAGO 02 MO U 00010332 COOK > LUDINGTON, REBEKA 08/18/1886 CHICAGO 05 DA U 00089061 COOK > LUDINGTON, VARONA A 08/14/1882 CHICAGO 17 YR U 00008566 COOK > LUDINGTON, WM W 05/21/1897 CHICAGO 72 YR U 00010970 COOK > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Jones [mailto:bugler103@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:27 PM > To: LUDDINGTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LUDDINGTON] Joseph Ludington > > > Harvey 2. He would be my grandfather's brother. I suspect Joseph went to > Chicago but I have no proof of anything on him. I believe this is the > brother of my grandfather Harvey that was supposed to marry Gertrude my > grandfather. When grandpa went to Chicago for the funeral he met Gertrude > and they eventually married. > > Fred > > > > > ==== LUDDINGTON Mailing List ==== > Visit the new Luddington Message Board at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.luddington > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. 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