Karen bush will you add Gary to our list please. jglud@adams.net Ron I also talked to a Gary Wayne Lud from Illinoise and his grandfather was Ulry Lud from Iowa and his father was Clifford. Clifford had three brothers, Byron, Vernon and Ivan. Gary Luds address is jglud@adams.net Gary is ancestered so: Gary/Clifford/Ulry/Harrison/David/Thos/Comfort/Elisha etc. Welcome to the Ludington family. Wiz