FYI.................with the addition of David Luddington of England to our Y-DNA testing I can now present the following info.... David has an exact 12 marker match with: Alfred Ludington a descend of Levi from NY, b abt 1765? Alfred lives in Ontario James C Ludington, descends from Nathaniel then right to Wm of 1607, lives in Ontario Charles W Luddington, descends from Asa of NY, b abt 1779, lives in NC Charles Frederick Ludington, descends from Nathaniel then right to Wm of 1607, lives IN Ronald E Ludington, descends from Seth, b NY 1788, lives in Ontario The following have a one marker differnce, possibly caused by a mutation James Joseph Ludington, descends from Comfort then back to Wm of 1607, lives IN Kenneth Randall Ludington, descends form Asa, a bro to Comfort (above) lives VA Francis H Ludington, descends from Corbett, b abt 1797, lives NY Paul Luddington, descends from English Luddington, lives England Even tho we have not connected in our paper chase it appears that we all go back to an English Ludington/Luddington who was our common ancestor. Who was he? When did he live? We may never know. For those of us still looking for the actual paper connection it is most frustrating to know of the DNA connection but not to be able to connect thru paper records. Ron ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121