Hi All Just put a file in the English History folder on the family site. Elaine has spent a lot of time going through a lot of old books to fine early referances to the Luddingtons in them, and I typed them out for her, (sorry if its not very neat, one finger job). Its quite intresting, some is still in Latin, I will get that translated when I can, uless there is someone who can do it?? enjoy. Paul