I have corresponded with Robert Coontz through the group regarding a Henderson Lucas and with that the Buckles family was brought up (along with the Brashears). Before I respond to Robert's question regarding his line not quite fitting the line I quoted from Anabell Kemp's book, I need to remark on two different Lucas families that I researched awhile back, Kemp's being one of them. 15 years ago I was told by my father-in-law that my wife's Lucas lineage was descended from the famous Robert Lucas of Shepherdstown, VA, Captain of the War of 1812, promoted to Bridgadier General, Governor of the State of Ohio! I researched that line and drafted it up on the computer and produced a very nice family tree (24" by 36"). After tracking down the line in question (amongst others) I determined that my wife was not related to this line. Claude Lucas, one of the contributors of Kemp's book, did some research for me and BINGO, found my wife's Sarah Lucas! She is descended from Kemp's Thomas Lucas of which the book devotes most of it's efforts to (Sarah 6; William 5; John 4; William 3; Charles 2; Thomas 1). Sarah was not in the book and Kemp had made a mistake regarding Sarah's father's children. But, alas, the link was found, and I pushed back the line to 1650! This family shows a Susannah Lucas m Robert Buckles. See the e-mail previous that I sent regarding "Lucas and Brashears." She is the 8th child of Thomas and Anne Keene Lucas. Now the second family: The "Robert Lucas - Governor" line also shows a Susannah Lucas m Robert Buckles. This has caused a great deal of confusion for many people. And I'm sorry (Robert Coontz) if I messed things up a little. I can't seem to find the family tree chart right now to quote this lineage, but a reference on page 37 of Kemp's book is as follows: Robert Lucas b 1630 Wiltshire, England m Elizabeth Coggill. They came to Bucks Co, Va and had 8 children: 1. John Lucas 2. Giles Lucas 3. Edward Lucas b 1659 m three times. See further. 4. Robert Lucas 5. Elizabeth Lucas 6. Rebecca Lucas 7. Mary Lucas 8. Sarah Lucas Edward Lucas (3.) migrated to Frederick Co, Md., then to Fredrick Co, Va. He m (1) Bridgett Scott, (2) Elizabeth Corn, (3) Mary Drake, and between all three had 17 children! Of those 17 were: 1. Edward Lucas, who located to Shephardstown, Va, and his descendants ended up at Green Co, Pa. (This was the beginning of my hunt 15 years ago!). 2. William Lucas who m Susannah Barnes. Both William and Susannah died in Lucasville, Scioto Co, Ohio. Willam and Susannah Barnes Lucas had a daughter, Susannah, who m Robert Buckles. OK, now that part is straightened out. Whew! William and Susannah were also the ancestors of Robert Lucas - Governor. As far as I can tell, the Robert Lucas b 1630 and the Thomas Lucas b 1650 lines are NOT connected in the United States. I would hope sometime in the future these two brances could be positively connected to the Little Saxham, Suffolk Co, England, Lucas's that Kemp devoted the beginning of the book to. It goes back to the 1200's! Hope this helps. Eric A. Johnson Anaheim, CA varnivarni@aol.com