Hello folks... A quick question...are those on this list searching only LUCAS or is LUKE a derivitive of this surname? I do not know the origin of the LUKE surname myself, but it is in my ancestry and would like to find or start such a list. Thanks. Don Watson -- Don Watson mailto:dwatson@texas.net County Coordinator, TXGenWeb Page for Blanco County http://lonestar.texas.net/~dwatson/blanco

Does anyone know if the Kemp book deals with migrations of Lucases to Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas? I am trying to locate the ancestors of my grandfather, Henry F. Lucas, b. (1903?) in Marble Falls, TX to Charles Lucas and Rose (Maxie). His brothers were Walter, Judge, ? and sisters, Callie, Josie and ? Greatgrandfather Charles had a brother, John. It is family legend that the family originated in Missouri, either Springfield or St. Louis. Do these names or locations show up in any of your research? Charles never spoke of his family or origins. Henry married May Solenberg in Walters, OK after his first wife died in a fire. The first marriage produced a daughter, Alene. The marriage to May produced Paul (b. early 1920's, d. 1996), Silas, Glen, David, Mary (d. 1997) Esther, Ruth, and Rebecca. Henry had a blacksmith shop in Walters, OK. I would appreciate any help, as I cannot seem to get beyond my ggf. Larry Lucas drllucas@aol.com

Dear list: I am desperate for help. I have so little info on my Lucas line and every search has turned up burned in court house fire, lost in flood, etc. Most of what I have is just what elderly family members have provided. I have little or no documented info. The line I am searching has been in Arkansas sense at least the turn of the Century. Family lore brings them from Germany. When is unknown. My oldest aunt is 75 and does not remember her grandfather at all. Quite by accident we have acquired a picture of him and my grandfather and two young boys standing in front of a covered wagon. A mans word this is my ggrandfather is the only proof I have and I still do not have a first name. The following is what I know: Grandfather Harvey Wesley Lucas spent most of his life in Independence County Arkansas. He was married twice 1st wife was Hattie or Mattie----they had 3 sons. he married my grandmother Alma "Bessie" Summers Lucas around 1922 or 23. They had 11 children 3 died very young and 8 still live today. One of which is my mother. The 3 sons from previous marriage stayed with him so we assume she died prior to his marriage to my grandmother. Harvey Lucas died January 11, 1944, in Newark, Arkansas at the age of 58. He was buried at Mack's Cemetery. My grandmother died May 24, 1996 and is buried beside him. He had one sister. Her name was Lula Belle. Known as Ainee (Auntie). She was left in a boarding house, in Tyronza AR, for some reason and assumed the name of the owners and went by the surname Beasley. She married an Overturf and migrated to California. She was involved in the family and it is not known why this happened as all the siblings remember her visiting, etc.. Nothing is known of their mother! One very old bible was found on the Overturf side which supposedly belonged to Lula Belle. The surname appears to be Betty/Beatty and I assume this may be their mother family. The only other information I can provide is family lore that is unverified. I do know the family suffered great loses in the flood of 1937. Is there any hope for my research? Can anyone offer advice or help? I have found, repeatedly in census etc. a Sarah Lucas in the same area as my family. I assume she is connected in some way. Any ideas on how to prove this assumption? Thank you in advance. Alma Luper

Dear Sally: Welcome to the list. I've only been on a few weeks. I had so little info on my family I haven't even posted yet. However, I had some great success this weekend. My family ancesters are in Arkansas. most family history in Independence County. I don't , as of yet, have a Julia but Ar has a really good web site you should visit. I will follow up this post with the little I know about my Lucas family. Hopefully someone can help me trace my elusive Lucas'. Alma Luper SALLY RL LIVERMORE wrote: > Hi! > My name is Sally LUCUS Livermore, and I am new to this list. I am looking > for information on my ggrandparents: Nathaniel LUCUS and Juliette Winchel > believed to have married in MI about 1856/57. I believe Nathaniel was born > in NY. I am also looking for information on an Orien LUCUS who is listed in > the NY census as living with a family surname other than LUCUS. > Nathaniel and Juliette migrated south to Missouri and possibly into > Arkansas, at least Julia did. > > Sally

Hi! My name is Sally LUCUS Livermore, and I am new to this list. I am looking for information on my ggrandparents: Nathaniel LUCUS and Juliette Winchel believed to have married in MI about 1856/57. I believe Nathaniel was born in NY. I am also looking for information on an Orien LUCUS who is listed in the NY census as living with a family surname other than LUCUS. Nathaniel and Juliette migrated south to Missouri and possibly into Arkansas, at least Julia did. Sally

Trying to connect Roy J. Lucas (Apr 25, 1876 Ill May 29, 1959) to Adlai Stevenson. Thanks, Kristina

Just wanted to let everyone on the mailing lists that I subscribe too, know that I will be unsubscribing the 1st of July for a month. The kids and I are leaving beautiful Heidelberg, Germany and heading back to Philly for a cheese-steak or two, for the month of July. Hopefully, we will be doing some research around the Philly, Berks, Northumberland, Schuylkill, Dauphin Counties area as well as down in the DC area. We are currently planning to attend both the Schwalm Reunion in Valley View, PA on the 12th and the Latcha reunion in Rebuck, PA the 26th. Hope to catch up with a few of you while we're in the states. I'm letting you know ahead of time, so that if you have any requests before I leave Germany, I might be able to get them done. By the way, does anyone have a copy of the new volume (vol. 7) of the Württemberg Emigration Index. The description in the Ancestry Spring Catalog says that it shows individuals who applied to emigrate from Württemberg, Germany between 1750 and 1900. I would like to know if Urban SCHÄDDEL is listed? or Phillip LUCAS. You can get in touch with me by phone during the weekdays at (610) 356-1344. Unfortunately, I can't take the computer with me. rich Heidelberg, Germany researching in PA SCHADEL, SCHADLE, SHADEL, SHADLE LUCAS KRAMER HENNINGER and a host of others **************************** Snail Mail Address: Rich & Glynda Lucas CMR 442, Box 175 APO AE 09042-0101 Tel: (049) (0)6224-170 632 Email: lucasr@jas-net.de ****************************

I am still searching for any information on Hannah Lucas born aprox April 6,,1863, the mother of Harrison (Benjamin) Lucas, May and Bertha Lucas, Possibly from around Willard Ky. or Carter Ky., or Inez ??? south of Vanceburg. Hannah married Nathan McGlone b. aug. 20, 1876 in Carter County on Nov. 11, 1898. They had at least 8 children that I know of, Ellis, Luther, Fred Nathan, Frank, James, Robert, Martha (SIS), and Vernon. Ollie Wiggins was Hannah's sisterinlaw through her first husband (name unknown). Ollie's husband was a Rev. Wiggins. Ollie's maiden name may have been Straley or Fraily? In 1895, Hannah lived with Mrs. Wiggins. Any information would truely be appreciated! HELP PLEASE. Jude, Dowell1b@aol.com That's said "Dowell one B at A. O. L. dot com. Thankyou!

LUCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > LUCAS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 70 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [LUCAS-L] Kemp's book concerning G [JDHLEH@aol.com] > #2 [LUCAS-L] Mrs. Kemp's book [JDHLEH@aol.com] > #3 [LUCAS-L] Lucas of Giles Co, VA an [Varnivarni@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from LUCAS-D, send a message to > > LUCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [LUCAS-L] Kemp's book concerning Giles > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:20:18 EDT > From: JDHLEH@aol.com > To: LUCAS-L@rootsweb.com > > I believe several people (including myself) looking for information on the > Lucas's of Giles Co. have been interested in Mrs. Kemp's book. I have yet > located the book to check it out for myself but here is a short paragraph from > The Lucas Family Genealogy by F.F. Lucas in 1973 mentioning Mrs. Kemp's book. > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [LUCAS-L] Mrs. Kemp's book > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:33:50 EDT > From: JDHLEH@aol.com > To: LUCAS-L@rootsweb.com > > I believe several people (including myself) have been looking for mentions of > Lucas in Giles Co. in Mrs. Kemp's book. I have yet to find a copy to look for > myself but would like to share with you a short paragraph from The Lucas > Family Genealogy by F.F. Lucas in 1973 concerning Mrs. Kemp's book. > > "What started out to be a complete history of the Lucas family was greatly > shortened and simplified by the discovery that Mrs. Annabelle Kemp of > Hollywood California had in 1964 compiled and published a book entitled "Lucas > Genealogy". We found however that she had omitted from her book coverage of > the many members of the Lucas family who lived along New River in Virginia. > Mainly in what is now Giles County. We found that Mrs. Kemp spent several > months in this area doing research work on the Lucas family. But were unable > to locate her notes. Mrs. Kemp died in Hollywood California December 27, > 1968". > > That paragraph suggests that the Lucas of Giles may be connected to the Lucas > in her book but for an unknown reason was left out. Perhaps her notes were > lost or the book was getting to big. Who knows. The other book I mentioned > above is my family and begins with Madison Haines Lucas who was the son of > Susanna Lucas. He moved his family to Hamlin, Lincoln Co., WV in 1870. If > anyone would like information on that family, I'll be happy to share. > > Happy hunting. > Lora > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [LUCAS-L] Lucas of Giles Co, VA and Ms. Kemp's Book > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:35:05 EDT > From: Varnivarni@aol.com > To: LUCAS-L@rootsweb.com > > To Lora, Leigh, and Phyllis: > > After reading Lora's note regarding Kemp's book omitting the Giles Co, VA line > of Lucas's I thought I'd let everyone know how the book is organized. Kemp's > book is 495 pages, so I can see her stopping at some point. But, on the other > hand she does mention a couple of other Lucas branches that she does NOT > connect to the main Lucas family of which the book is devoted to. Chapter 1 > devotes a considerable amount of time to the England Lucas's of Little Saxham, > Suffolk Co trying to connect Thomas Lucas, planter, b ca 1650 of Prince George > Co, Md. There is a strong indication that this is the correct England family > but there is no proof of any kind, just speculation. She has five pages on > Various Lucas Families of America (CH 2). She has three pages on Lucas Family > of Dallas and Tarrant Counties, Texas (CH 3). She has two pages on a Lucas > line from Germany (CH 4) that she calls the Lucas Family of Cass County, > Illinois. And the remaining chapters are on the descendants of Thomas first > mentioned. > > I'm not sure why Ms. Kemp would leave out ANY of her research, no matter how > big the book got. > > One suggestion is to find someone who knows her children or grandchildren, and > ask them if Ms. Kemp handed down all of her research to any family members. > Sometimes family donates the material to a Library. Just a shot in the dark. > > I'll keep all the Giles Co, VA e-mail just in case I run across a comment > regarding Giles Co in the book. > > Eric A. Johnson > Anaheim, CA > varnivarni@aol.com Hello everyone, One thing that bothered me about Annabelle Kemp's book was that I think my William, first in America, was son of thomas, but she doesn't really prove it. My line of descent in America is:(1)William, b. Abt 1640, probably Colchester, Essex, ENG, m. Hester (CORNWELL) CLARK; (2) Thomas LUCAS, b. 1676, Middletown, CT, m. Sarah LEEK; (3) Moses LUCAS, Sr., b. 17 JUL 1719, Middletown, CT m. Asenath COOKE, (4) Moses LUCAS, Jr., b. 16 DEC 1753, Long Hill, Middletown, CT m. Abiah BARNEWS; (5) Eber LUCAS, b. 1782, Long Hill, Middletown, CT, m. Eunice WOOLWORTH; (6) Laura LUCAS, 28 JUN 1810, Pinkney, Lewis Co., NY m. Abel russell BLOOD in Hanover, Shelby, IN. they then move on first to Boone Co., IL, and finally to Charles City, Floyd, IA. Distant cousins had traced William to Charles LUCAS, general of horse in the war with the Stuarts, who was hanged at Colchester. However, I soon learned that Charles had NO childre,. Kemp mentions our line, saying they always claimed to go back to Colchester. Also, the Wm. she has as son of thomas in ENG could be our Wm. But, no proof. Does anyone know for sure? Betty Sullivan

To Lora, Leigh, and Phyllis: After reading Lora's note regarding Kemp's book omitting the Giles Co, VA line of Lucas's I thought I'd let everyone know how the book is organized. Kemp's book is 495 pages, so I can see her stopping at some point. But, on the other hand she does mention a couple of other Lucas branches that she does NOT connect to the main Lucas family of which the book is devoted to. Chapter 1 devotes a considerable amount of time to the England Lucas's of Little Saxham, Suffolk Co trying to connect Thomas Lucas, planter, b ca 1650 of Prince George Co, Md. There is a strong indication that this is the correct England family but there is no proof of any kind, just speculation. She has five pages on Various Lucas Families of America (CH 2). She has three pages on Lucas Family of Dallas and Tarrant Counties, Texas (CH 3). She has two pages on a Lucas line from Germany (CH 4) that she calls the Lucas Family of Cass County, Illinois. And the remaining chapters are on the descendants of Thomas first mentioned. I'm not sure why Ms. Kemp would leave out ANY of her research, no matter how big the book got. One suggestion is to find someone who knows her children or grandchildren, and ask them if Ms. Kemp handed down all of her research to any family members. Sometimes family donates the material to a Library. Just a shot in the dark. I'll keep all the Giles Co, VA e-mail just in case I run across a comment regarding Giles Co in the book. Eric A. Johnson Anaheim, CA varnivarni@aol.com

I believe several people (including myself) have been looking for mentions of Lucas in Giles Co. in Mrs. Kemp's book. I have yet to find a copy to look for myself but would like to share with you a short paragraph from The Lucas Family Genealogy by F.F. Lucas in 1973 concerning Mrs. Kemp's book. "What started out to be a complete history of the Lucas family was greatly shortened and simplified by the discovery that Mrs. Annabelle Kemp of Hollywood California had in 1964 compiled and published a book entitled "Lucas Genealogy". We found however that she had omitted from her book coverage of the many members of the Lucas family who lived along New River in Virginia. Mainly in what is now Giles County. We found that Mrs. Kemp spent several months in this area doing research work on the Lucas family. But were unable to locate her notes. Mrs. Kemp died in Hollywood California December 27, 1968". That paragraph suggests that the Lucas of Giles may be connected to the Lucas in her book but for an unknown reason was left out. Perhaps her notes were lost or the book was getting to big. Who knows. The other book I mentioned above is my family and begins with Madison Haines Lucas who was the son of Susanna Lucas. He moved his family to Hamlin, Lincoln Co., WV in 1870. If anyone would like information on that family, I'll be happy to share. Happy hunting. Lora

I believe several people (including myself) looking for information on the Lucas's of Giles Co. have been interested in Mrs. Kemp's book. I have yet located the book to check it out for myself but here is a short paragraph from The Lucas Family Genealogy by F.F. Lucas in 1973 mentioning Mrs. Kemp's book.

Hi, I have been trying to find anyone or any information concerning the Simon LUCAS family. Simon was b 1798 KY, m Susanne b Feb 17, 1798 OH. Simon d Feb 1869, Fremont CO IA. The children of Simon and Susanne were: Martin b Nov 18, 1842, m Sarah E Johnson. Samuel b 1844 James b April 8, 1846 m Nancy Johnson. Susan b 1850 Martin and Sarah's children were: Emma b 1864 Fremont CO IA Samuel b 1866 Fremont CO IA James and Nancy's children were: Cyrus b 1867 Fremont CO IA Robert E b 1871 Fremont CO IA Christopher b 1873 Fremont CO IA, m Sallie M Melvina b 1875 Fremont CO IA James O b 1877 Fremont CO IA Thanks, Mari Mari Nittler voice/fax: 402/558-9876 722 N. 57th St. <mailto:manittler@brownell.edu> Omaha, Nebraska 68132-2034

I am looking for all descendants and ancestors of Sarah "Sally" Lucas b 1800 OH/ S. C. d 1876. Are her parents John Lucas b ca 1779 and Nancy Owens? Can anyone help? I will exchange informaton. Thanks. Beverly Descendants of John? Lucas 1 John? Lucas . +Nancy Owens ........ 2 Sarah "Sally" Lucas 1800 - 1876 d: 1876 b: January 26, 1800 in OH/S. C. ............ +Samuel A. Hedrick 1796 - 1846 d: 1846 in Richland Co., IL m: May 16, 1825 in Ohio Co., KY b: 1796 in Fleming Co., KY ................... 3 Francis Hedrick d: in young ................... 3 Harrison L. Hedrick 1828 - 1894 d: 1894 b: 1828 in KY ....................... +Judy Johnson m: June 14, 1853 in Richland Co., IL ................... 3 Elizabeth Lettie Ann "Sally" Hedrick 1829 - b: 1829 ....................... +Charles Travas ................... *2nd Husband of Elizabeth Lettie Ann "Sally" Hedrick: ....................... +George Farley ................... *3rd Husband of Elizabeth Lettie Ann "Sally" Hedrick: ....................... +James Street m: September 25, 1848 ................... 3 Susan Martha Hedrick 1830 - b: 1830 ....................... +Alexander Ramsey ................... 3 Edwin Hedrick, Sr. 1830 - b: January 28, 1830 in Ohio Co., KY ....................... +Mary Ann "Polly" Adamson m: June 22, 1857 in Richland Co., IL b: in KY ................... 3 Mason Taylor Clay Hedrick 1831 - 1921 d: December 23, 1921 in Marion Co., Odin, IL b: June 17, 1831 in Ohio Co., Columbia, KY ....................... +Cordelia W. Woodard 1836 - 1861 d: May 26, 1861 m: November 01, 1854 in Louisville, KY b: March 29, 1836 ................... *2nd Wife of Mason Taylor Clay Hedrick: ....................... +Henrietta Grey Payne 1843 - 1923 d: September 24, 1923 in Marion Co., Odin, IL m: December 17, 1863 in Hancock Co., Lewisport, KY b: August 05, 1843 in Nelson City, KY ................... 3 Emily Sarah Hedrick 1836 - b: 1836 in KY ....................... +Asbery Sandifer ................... *2nd Husband of Emily Sarah Hedrick: ....................... +John Isbel ................... 3 Amanda Elizabeth Hedrick 1840 - 1924 d: May 20, 1924 in Moultrie Co., Gays, IL b: September 30, 1840 in Ohio Co., KY ....................... +John Milton Reed 1837 - 1923 d: March 04, 1923 in Moultrie Co., IL m: September 17, 1863 in Wayne Co., IL b: October 02, 1837 in Shelby Co., IL ........ *2nd Husband of Sarah "Sally" Lucas: ............ +James Harrison m: July 03, 1846

Page 104: Lists Henderson Lucas (#65) b 1793, Berkeley Co, Va, m Maria Buckles b 1803 Berkeley Co, Va. Maria was BURIED near her parents Abraham and Elizabeth Buckles in Jefferson Co, WVa. Also BURIED there is Maria's sister Sarah who d 1844 age 21, brother Lewis d 1844. Abraham and Elizabeth had other children: Aaron, Ephraim, Phoebe (who m David Osborne), Elizabeth Ann (who m William Osborne), and Mary H. (who m Edward Robison).

>From Robert Coontz, Wednesday, June 10, 1998: <<Hi, all. I've just had time to glance at Eric Johnson's very interesting <<posting. <<So, Henderson Lucas (Basel<Thomas<Charles<Thomas) wasn't related to the <<Susannah Lucas (William<Edward<Edward) who married Robert Buckles? Yet he <<married Maria Buckles, who was related to Susannah ... how? And some of the <<Shepherdstown Lucases came from England, while others came from Germany? <<Wow. Time to start drawing some family trees. The Robert Buckles who m Susannah Lucas of the Robert Lucas - Governor line were in Va as far as I can understand. And the Robert Buckles who m Susannah Lucas were in Md and then some of the family migrated to Fayatte Co, Pa. I'm not sure if the two Buckles are related or not. I know the two Susannah's are not, at least while we are in this country. (My speculation). As far as the Buckles go...I am posting everything Kemp has in her book on the Buckles related to this book. See the stuff at the end of this e-mail. As far as drawing some family trees...I did just that on the Governor and the Kemp Lucas's. I've looked for the two charts for two days now. They are probably buried under 10 tons of genealogy papers. But I will find them! There is also a letter written by a close family member of the Governor Lucas line explaining much of the family tree and I have a couple of nice family group sheet on this family also. I've got to find them before I speculate any more. <<Too bad I didn't know there was going to be such interest in BRASHEARS. <<Yesterday, at the Wisconsin Historical Society in Madison, I was copying <<down information from two books, "Marriage Records of Berkeley Conty, <<Virginia (1781-1854)" and "Tombstone Inscriptions, Jefferson County, West <<Virginia." I'm sure I spotted masses of BRASHEARS-es in them, but I flipped <<right past. Maybe I can snag a few next time around. <<Meanwhile, I see that my files disagree with what Eric said about Edward <<Lucas's wives. They say that Edward Lucas (3.) was indeed married to <<Bridgett Scott. But it was his *son* Edward who married <<- Mary Darke (NOT "Drake"; she was related to the Revolutionary War <<general) <<- Elizabeth Corn (or Cran), and <<- <somebody> Wells. <<Anybody know for sure which Edward married whom? Like I said before, I need to pause on this line so I can find the information I researched years ago. I think it might clear up a couple of issues. <<Thanks, Eric, for clearing things up. But I have a feeling we're not out of <<the woods yet... Agree. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. <<Robert Coontz <<Waukesha, Wisconsin To Robert and the Lucas Group: My mind is racing too fast with these two Lucas families, I'm afraid I'm going to trip and stub my brain! However, listed below is what I was able to glean from Kemp's book on the Buckles: The index shows 19 names on pages 37, 98, 101, 104, 105,107, 108, 109. Page 37: Lists the marriage of Robert Buckles to Susannah Lucas of the Governor line. Page 98: Lists Susannah Lucas (#61) b 1763 Md, daughter of Thomas Lucas (#50) b 1722 Md, m Robert Buckles. Page 101: Lists Lavice Lucas b ca 1791, Berkeley Co, Va, 3rd child of Basel (#64 and brother of Susannah Lucas (#61 above)). She lived with her brother Henderson and mentions in her will the adjoining farm of Aaron B. Buckles, that Aaron was a witness and administrator and who also put up the $2000 bond. Lists Henderson Lucas (#65) b 1793, Berkeley Co, Va, 5th child of Basel (#64) and Elizabeth Brashears Lucas, m Maria Buckles b 1803 Berkeley Co, Va. Page 104: Lists Henderson Lucas (#65) b 1793, Berkeley Co, Va, m Maria Buckles b 1803 Berkeley Co, Va. Maria was b near her parents Abraham and Elizabeth Buckles in Jefferson Co, WVa. Also b there is Maria's sister Sarah who d 1844 age 21, brother Lewis d 1844. Abraham and Elizabeth had other children: Aaron, Ephraim, Phoebe (who m David Osborne), Elizabeth Ann (who m William Osborne), and Mary H. (who m Edward Robison). Abraham Buckles b 1779 d 1839 who m Elizabeth b 1779 d 1857 was the son of Robert Buckles Sr. Mention is made of an indenture that mentions the land of Ephraim Buckles that adjoins Henderson Lucas'. Page 105: Mention of land of Henderson Lucas adjoining the Buckles land. Quote: "On 25 June 1846 regarding the survey made by J.P. Kearfoot this land had originally been purchased by Lewis and Robert Buckles (brother of Maria Lucas) from Edward Lucas, Sr. and his wife Frances. Lewis Buckles d without a will leaving this tract of land 140 acres, 2 rods, and 23 perches. The property was later sold to Robert Buckles, brother of Lewis, on 14 June 1847 for $369.84. One Wm Lucas acted as Special Commissioner on the case (See Bk 52 p 501.) Page 107: Susannah Lucas (#61) b 1763 Frederick Co, Va m in Berkeley Co, Va, Robert Buckles who was d by 5 Oct 1857. He was the son of Abraham b 1779 and Elizabeth Buckles b 1779. Robert Buckles was a brother of Maria, wife of Henderson Lucas. Page 108: Talks about Abraham's will which mentions his property to be divided equally among his 4 sons and 5 daus: Ephraim, Aaron, Robert L., and Lewis; Eliza Ann, then wife of Wm Osborne; Phoebe, wife of Thos David Osborne; Mary H., wife of Edward Roberts; Maria, wife of Henderson Lucas, and Sarah Buckles. Page 109: Robert and Susannah Lucas Buckles had 5 children: 1. Randolph N. Buckles 2. Martha Elzabeth Buckles 3. Aaron Dow Buckles 4. Robert L. Buckles 5. Virginia Buckles No other information was had on this family. However, Kemp comments on one Aaron Buckles in Greene Co, Ohio who m Anna Cosley, grand dau of Tabitha Lucas and her husband Wm Cosley. Now, folks, this may seem like lines upon lines of stuff that isn't the Lucas surname. But, in those times families migrated together, families intermarried, and it wasn't uncommon for first cousins to marry only to have their children marry first cousins. I guess I got off the point I was trying to make. That somewhere in this mess something makes sense of why I typed all this. Eric aka "brain fading fast" P.S. This still doesn't give any hint regarding the two Robert Buckles being related.

I am trying to find the parents of Morgan Lucas, b. VA c. 1811, lived and died in Franklin Cty., OH. He was married to Rebecca McEowen. Shirley misskitt@bright.net

Hi, all. I've just had time to glance at Eric Johnson's very interesting posting. So, Henderson Lucas (Basel<Thomas<Charles<Thomas) wasn't related to the Susannah Lucas (William<Edward<Edward) who married Robert Buckles? Yet he married Maria Buckles, who was related to Susannah ... how? And some of the Shepherdstown Lucases came from England, while others came from Germany? Wow. Time to start drawing some family trees. Too bad I didn't know there was going to be such interest in BRASHEARS. Yesterday, at the Wisconsin Historical Society in Madison, I was copying down information from two books, "Marriage Records of Berkeley Conty, Virginia (1781-1854)" and "Tombstone Inscriptions, Jefferson County, West Virginia." I'm sure I spotted masses of BRASHEARS-es in them, but I flipped right past. Maybe I can snag a few next time around. Meanwhile, I see that my files disagree with what Eric said about Edward Lucas's wives. They say that Edward Lucas (3.) was indeed married to Bridgett Scott. But it was his *son* Edward who married - Mary Darke (NOT "Drake"; she was related to the Revolutionary War general) - Elizabeth Corn (or Cran), and - <somebody> Wells. Anybody know for sure which Edward married whom? Thanks, Eric, for clearing things up. But I have a feeling we're not out of the woods yet... Robert Coontz Waukesha, Wisconsin

I have corresponded with Robert Coontz through the group regarding a Henderson Lucas and with that the Buckles family was brought up (along with the Brashears). Before I respond to Robert's question regarding his line not quite fitting the line I quoted from Anabell Kemp's book, I need to remark on two different Lucas families that I researched awhile back, Kemp's being one of them. 15 years ago I was told by my father-in-law that my wife's Lucas lineage was descended from the famous Robert Lucas of Shepherdstown, VA, Captain of the War of 1812, promoted to Bridgadier General, Governor of the State of Ohio! I researched that line and drafted it up on the computer and produced a very nice family tree (24" by 36"). After tracking down the line in question (amongst others) I determined that my wife was not related to this line. Claude Lucas, one of the contributors of Kemp's book, did some research for me and BINGO, found my wife's Sarah Lucas! She is descended from Kemp's Thomas Lucas of which the book devotes most of it's efforts to (Sarah 6; William 5; John 4; William 3; Charles 2; Thomas 1). Sarah was not in the book and Kemp had made a mistake regarding Sarah's father's children. But, alas, the link was found, and I pushed back the line to 1650! This family shows a Susannah Lucas m Robert Buckles. See the e-mail previous that I sent regarding "Lucas and Brashears." She is the 8th child of Thomas and Anne Keene Lucas. Now the second family: The "Robert Lucas - Governor" line also shows a Susannah Lucas m Robert Buckles. This has caused a great deal of confusion for many people. And I'm sorry (Robert Coontz) if I messed things up a little. I can't seem to find the family tree chart right now to quote this lineage, but a reference on page 37 of Kemp's book is as follows: Robert Lucas b 1630 Wiltshire, England m Elizabeth Coggill. They came to Bucks Co, Va and had 8 children: 1. John Lucas 2. Giles Lucas 3. Edward Lucas b 1659 m three times. See further. 4. Robert Lucas 5. Elizabeth Lucas 6. Rebecca Lucas 7. Mary Lucas 8. Sarah Lucas Edward Lucas (3.) migrated to Frederick Co, Md., then to Fredrick Co, Va. He m (1) Bridgett Scott, (2) Elizabeth Corn, (3) Mary Drake, and between all three had 17 children! Of those 17 were: 1. Edward Lucas, who located to Shephardstown, Va, and his descendants ended up at Green Co, Pa. (This was the beginning of my hunt 15 years ago!). 2. William Lucas who m Susannah Barnes. Both William and Susannah died in Lucasville, Scioto Co, Ohio. Willam and Susannah Barnes Lucas had a daughter, Susannah, who m Robert Buckles. OK, now that part is straightened out. Whew! William and Susannah were also the ancestors of Robert Lucas - Governor. As far as I can tell, the Robert Lucas b 1630 and the Thomas Lucas b 1650 lines are NOT connected in the United States. I would hope sometime in the future these two brances could be positively connected to the Little Saxham, Suffolk Co, England, Lucas's that Kemp devoted the beginning of the book to. It goes back to the 1200's! Hope this helps. Eric A. Johnson Anaheim, CA varnivarni@aol.com

I sent an e-mail message on June 6, 1998 to Robert Coontz through LUCAS- L@rootsweb.com regarding an Elizabeth Brashears who married Basil Lucas and had a son Henderson. The reason was a search for Henderson Lucas. Then Janice Lund sent a reply to the group regarding Brachears in her family. This is a response to that reply. Anabell Kemp's book has a little on the name Brashears and is as follows: Page 97: Thomas Lucas (#50) (Charles 2; Thomas 1) b Prince George Co, Md., m Anne Keene. They had 10 children all b in Md.: Page 98: 1. Josias Lucas b 1746, m Miss Gibson 2. Charles Lucas b 1747, m Susannah 3. Thomas Lucas b 1751, m ___ 4. Gabriel Lucas b 1755, m Sarah Gardiner 5. Basel Lucas b 1757, m Elizabeth Brashears 6. Elizabeth Lucas b 1759, m William Tyler 7. Cassandra Lucas b 1760 8. Susannah Lucas b 1763, m Robert Buckles 9. Eleanor Lucas b 1765 10. Barton Lucas b 1770 Page 100: Basel Lucas (#60) (Thomas 3; Charles 2; Thomas 1) m Elizabeth Brashears. Reorganizing what Kemp said regarding Elizabeth's lineage: Benjamin Brashears had at least three daughters: 1. Elizabeth Brashears b 1701 m her cousin Samuel Brashears b 1696 2. Rachel Brashears m Mr. Belt 3. Cassandra Brashears m Mr Duvall Elizabeth Brashears (1.) and Samuel Brashears had a son, Samuel b 1717 who was the father of Elizabeth who m Basel Lucas on page 100 above. Now this is quite a bit earlier than the Brashears noted by Janice. However anything helps, right? Also Janice mentions her Lucas family from Knox Co, Illinois. There is a separate Lucas family in Chapter 2 of Kemps book that tradition says came from Germany prior to the Rev War and settled in Va. Then a William Lucas, a descendant, moves to Cass Co, Ill in 1823. I haven't checked to see if Knox Co and Cass Co are close to each other. Hmm? Happy hunting! Eric A. Johnson Anaheim, CA varnivarni@aol.com