mark we are related , mine is geoge loy who m,louisa shattuck ,daughter of Daniel SHATTUCK and Elizabeth WASHBURN HE was son of george loy and louisa GIESEN DOWN FROM Hans JURIGH LEY/LOY AND MARIA elizabeth troud ,E, MAIL ME AT margemassey@webtv.net on my E,MAILS i send out I HAVE MY ANCESTERS ON MY WEB SITE AND i have most of the decents of EDWIN riggs loy MY great GRAND FATHER