Dear Grady (and everyone else following this saga ;-) Grady, I did notice that you did quote from the original excerpts of Chalkey--the Lynch version gave one of those entries as Stephen Loy (erroneously) selling land to Martin Loy in Virginia. As for the question about the Regulators, that one's probably in Joel's league. Joel, I know you had done quite a bit of research on the Regulators some time ago. Have you found anything new "Loy-wise"? Grady's theory of the two Stephen Loys is something I'd never thought about, but it is well possible. The first I had even known of about Stephen's connection with the Abraham/Abram Loy was from the Lynch book. I did find record of an Abraham/Abram Loy/Lay in the early KY census index, but that was the closest I ever came--just confirming someone existed by that name. There is one thing maybe someone could clarify for me, if known, regarding the Loys in Virginia. Has anyone found actual documentation of a place being called "Loy's Shop" in Virginia? Ruby Johnson, a great-great granddaughter of Martin Luther Loy, of the Adair Co., KY Loys, had mentioned in her Loy records "Kegley's Virginia Frontiers, pg. 126, 7 lines from bottom, purchase of Draper Tract in Mau [I think her typo of "May"--DRW] 1750 Martin Loy, 230 acres on Tom's Creek. Martin established himself in the upper Shenandoah Valley at 'Loy's Shop' now Burlington, Augusta Co., VA." I'm wondering if she got confused with Burlington, Alamance Co., NC?? Does anyone know if there was ever a "Loy's Shop" there? According to William Lynch's book "The Loy Family in America" Martin Loy settled north of Philadelphia in Bucks Co. He is also mentioned in certain records of several of the before mentioned Loys of Berks and Lancaster Counties in PA. This has yet to be verified by me. William Lynch's book also gave Martin as serving in the Bucks Co. Militia during the Revolutionary War and says the same for the Martin Loy born 1752 Baden, Germany arrived 1774 in America. The war soldier would be the younger Martin, who claimed first land warrantee for service 21 July 1781, about two years after our Martin's death. This book also says our Martin offered papers in 1762 {where?} for settlement, giving his former residence as Frederick, Frederick Co., MD. Also "Martin" is again recorded at Graceham, MD in 1762. If this is indeed our Martin, he must have had power of attorney drawn, for in that era he was residing in Orange Co., NC. Even now, I still have trouble getting Berks and Bucks Counties straight as far as the documented residences of Martin Loy (my North Carolina one, not the Revolutionary War soldier). Some sources give either and some give both. I do know he landed in Philadelphia (which is now Philadelphia County) and his son John Loy's 1840 obituary was found in the Reading Adler, Reading, PA, despite John dying in North Carolina. So there apparently were some kind of ties still there, whether related to the Holt or Loy side. As for the Martin Loy that married Margaretha Fechter, some researchers have suggested perhaps his wife and children all died and he went on to America alone. The one thing that has bugged me is the fact no one has found church death/burial records for them, since their births were listed at the church just a short time prior. And another point to consider, hypothetically, if these children were our Martin's, then why didn't Margaret (Loy) Clapp or her son Benjamin list them when they listed Margaret's other deceased aunts and uncles? Regarding the "Loy Family In America" book, it should be noted that the original compiler of the book was Miss Jennie Stewart. In those days, pre-1950's, it seemed some of the early researchers didn't publish their manuscripts, they just mimeographed them and the documents were passed on from researcher to researcher. I don't recall hearing if Jennie Stewart ever published (copyrighted) her work. When Lynch published his book containing her work, it had no mention of a previous publishing. Basically, the published book is just Jennie's early research, plus several group and pedigree sheets on various Loy researchers from the mid 1980's. I was one of them. Nellie Loy Whitmore's daughter, Virginia Moore of Riverside, CA, had submitted her mother's info for the book. (As a side note, Virginia saw my name in the book and sent me some correspondence her mother had in the early 1950's with two of the Effingham, IL Loys. One was from a first cousin of my grandma's dad. Not long after, I had a visit from my grandma's 90 year old second cousin. I told Jessie that I'd just received a letter from her Uncle Frank. Of course, she was puzzled at my remark, saying that her Uncle Frank had been dead for a long time. Then I explained about the letters Virginia had sent me and then she understood.) DRW

To answer your question posed below about "Loy's Shop" near Draper's Meadow in western Virginia, I submit the folowing. On September 5, 1738 the ship "Winter Galley" arrived in Philadelphia with German immigrants who settled the area around Draper's Meadow and the general area was called the "German New River Settlement." Among the passengers on the ship who went to this area was Stephen Lang and Philip Harless. On April 3, 1877, Floyd and Joseph Long, descendants of Stephen Lang, bought two acres of land from Allen Harless, a descendant of Philip Harless, and built a blacksmith and cabinet shop. This area became known as Long's shop then Longshop. A village grew up around their shop and flourished for a time, but gave way to progress and dwindled to only a few houses. The name of the village is on current maps of Virginia. Most of this is from "The Story of Long Shop 1877 - 1970" by Aliice McMahon, printed in "The News Messenger" on April 30, 1970. I am not certain which Virginia town is the home of The News Messenger. Could this be the :"Loy's Shop" that you refer to? Of course, it is entirely possible there was a "Loy's Shop" AND a "Long's Shop." At any rate, here is the information that I have about it and pass on to you. Jack Shell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delores Rochelle Walls" <Loy_Genealogy@att.net> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:37 AM Subject: [LOY] The Stephen Loys > There is one thing maybe someone could clarify for me, if known, regarding > the Loys in Virginia. Has anyone found actual documentation of a place > being called "Loy's Shop" in Virginia? Ruby Johnson, a great-great > granddaughter of Martin Luther Loy, of the Adair Co., KY Loys, had mentioned > in her Loy records "Kegley's Virginia Frontiers, pg. 126, 7 lines from > bottom, purchase of Draper Tract in Mau [I think her typo of "May"--DRW] > 1750 Martin Loy, 230 acres on Tom's Creek. Martin established himself in the > upper Shenandoah Valley at 'Loy's Shop' now Burlington, Augusta Co., VA." > I'm wondering if she got confused with Burlington, Alamance Co., NC?? Does > anyone know if there was ever a "Loy's Shop" there? >