Does Roger Loy in Tokyo, Japan, still belong to this list? I upgraded and lost all of my favorites and address list. Regards, Georgia Hornbuckle GeorgiaMHH@aol.com

I am still on and was thiunking of writing you about a post a few days ago. My address is changed rgcatron@polka.plala.or.jp Since I am writing I wanted to ask about the early information for Martin Loy. One particulzr thing that interested me was the following part - : 1 Martin Leeye Loy b: 1700 d: 1779 in Orange Co NC .. +Catherreny Faust b: 1722 in Orange Co., NC m: 1745 in Berks, PA d: 1750 in St. Asaph's Dist., Orange, NC bur Stoners Church Alamance NC .. 2 George Loy b: 1743 in Bucks Co., PA d: 1799 in Orange County, NC ...... +Mary Elizabeth Tilmon/ Tilghman ? d: in Orange County, North Carolina Caherreny Faust probably was not born Orange County 1722 but if the person compiling her records did not know otherwise they might in fairness say she was of Orange County. Orange County was settled by Germans, Scotch Irish and English largely coming down from Maryland (Most of the Germans entered the US Pennsylvania ca 1725 - 1765 and migrated through Frederick MD, the Great Valley (Shenendoah) and on into North Carolina. An important eevent in 1761 seems to have been that Lord Granville was parcelling out land. There was probably not that much settlement before that though there was in Western North Carolina generally, probably from the early 1750's and largely Scotch Irish. Given her date of birth and that her family were apparently at Stoner's church, I think it is a fair bet to say she was born in Germany. I don't think she was on the ship with Martin as I did not see any Fausts (could be wrong) and it seems clear some of her people were settled with the Loys down at Stoner. Again, they could have been on a different ship but it is also highly probable that Martin met and married her on this side. It has been mentioned here and there that there was a Martin Laye in Heidelburg the right age and etc who had a different wife(again her name and marriage date are known but I do not have them before me). Maybe Catherine was Martin's second wife. That would explain the birth of some sons before the marriage date. The marriage of Catherine to Martin in 1745 in Berks seems as if it could be right. That was a big jumping off place for the travelers down the great road. I had not heard it before. I have always wondered about the identification of Bucks County because people from there tended to head up into Western PA and on into Ohio. I have often wondered if there was not confusion with a later Martin Loy who was known to have lived in Bucks and migrated to Western PA. However, it is interesting that two brother's in law from the Goshenhoppen Church in Montgomery (J. Philip Emmert and George I forget at the moment) were on the St. Mark with Martin Loy in 1741. They lived in Bucks (there is an area where Bersk, Montgomery Bucks and Lehigh all share corners) went to church in Motgomery and eventually settled in Berks so that was actually an acceptable migration pattern. George's birth in 1743 would seem to suggest that the other wife lived at least to that point. I could be wrong but 1750 looks a little early for her death given that she was buried in St Asaph's District at the Stoner Church. Shew should have been alive at least as late as 1769. I do not have an alternative date however unless one of the Martin Loy researchers knows something about this. Also I have the following from the old Court Records of Augusta County (Scotch Irish Records) unless othewrwise stated these refer to Augusta County Virginia. Specifically Staunton. The Loy Family in Ameria has man of these same records (as transcribed by Nellie Loy Whitmore) though the analysis of the family in that book seems to confuse 2 or perhaps three distinct Stephen Loys, 1 English and 1 (or 2) German. "2d February, 1754. Patton to Augustine, Henry and Daniel Price, 1130 acres on Tom's Creek, a branch of New River. Cor. Jacob Lorton, line of John Adams' land.......2d February, 1754. Same to Martin Loy, 230 acres on Tom's Creek. Cor. George Sharp's land." The Loy Family In America says Tom's Creek is in Virginia and I think it is near Stauntonm[GEL]. "10th February, 1754. Same to Casper Barrier, 507 acres on Tom's Creek as above. Cor. Wm. Ingles. Lepard's line; Martin Loy's line." "17th February, 1758. Colonel James Patton's estate; appraised by Thomas Stewart, John Ramsey, Edward Hall. List of bonds, bills, &c., due the estate: James Wiley's, 3rd May, 1754; Wm. Leppard's, 15th February, 1753; John Die and Wm. Leppard's, 2nd February, 1754; William Byers, 15th February, 1754; Ernest Sharp, John Sharp and Martin Loy" Elizabeth Crawford vs. Stephen Loy.--Attachment, 17th April, 1763. Stephen Loy, of Frederick Town, in Maryland, to Thomas Fulton. Bond 25th March, 1762. Ro. Breckinridge vs. Stephen Loy.--Defendant's bond, dated 21st May, 1762, from Manochissie [Frederick Cy MD GEL] "Page 383.--21st August, 1765. Robert Breckenridge and Lettice to Stephen Loy. ?230 (paid by said Martin Loy), 245 acres in Beverley Manor conveyed to Robert. 17th May, 1749." I do not know what said means because the editor did not quote the entire document. - I think Beverly MAnor might be up in Frederick but am not sure. Anyway, MArtin is offsetting some obligation he has to Stephen [GEL] "Page 271.--24th February, 1770. Stephen Loy, tanner, to Sampson and Geo. Mathews, ?45, negro slave, condition that Stephen Loy and Doctor John Watkins on 20th February, 1769, executed a bond to S. and G. Mathews for ?60; now if Stephen make payment. Teste: William Robertson and Cathorine Loy." "Page 519.--23d June, 1770. Stephen Loy and Mary ( ) to William Bowyer, ?150, 245 acres whereon Stephen now lives, which he purchased of Robert Breckinridge and joining Alexander McClenachan, Andrew Scott. Robert McClenachan, David Stuart and Elisha McClenachan. Teste: G. Jones, Lew Bowyer, Wm. Madison, Michael Bowyer. [p.504]" Stephen's wife was apparently Mary so who was Cathorine Loy? A daughter or a sister in law? The latter might make a better witness. My guess is that prior to 1754, Stephen and Martin loy were in Frederick Cy. About 1754 they moved to Staunton with Martin at Tom's Creek and Martin went on to Orange County some time in the 1760's. Stephen got involved in lawsuits for some supplies he was buying for his tanning business and may have moved back to Maryland. The records are suggestive but not entirely clear. Stephen was a German and not English as is attested by his naturalization in Staunton in 1754. I do not know why Martin's does not appear except that the editor of the Scots Irish in Virginia tended to expunge materials he thought were entirely German in Content. The presence of Stephen and Martin Loy near Thurmont and Frederick MD where John George Loy was settled may suggest a reltaionship between them as well though I have not seen the connection as I have with Martin & Stephen. This is a very confused area. However, there were not that many German born Martin Loys the right age in America then and given the ties between the Loys and Sharps in North Carolina I think it interestting that the name Martin Loy in Virginia is usually associated with one or more people of the name Sharp. Grady ----- Original Message ----- ??? : <Georgiamhh@aol.com> ?? : <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> ???? : Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:15 ?? : Re: [LOY] Re: Loy Family > Does Roger Loy in Tokyo, Japan, still belong to this list? > > I upgraded and lost all of my favorites and address list. > > Regards, > Georgia Hornbuckle > GeorgiaMHH@aol.com > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > Questions? Please contact me at: Loy-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Grady, Thanks for the wonderful post. It contained much information I didn't have. I do have a question though. You stated that Catherreny Faust died 1750, however Martin's will dated 15 Jul 1777 states "...to my beloved wife Catheriney, I give all my moveable estate during her widowhood and to live on the place, and after her decease the land and plantation beongs to my son Henry Loy....." Did Martin have two wives named Catherine or is the 1750 death date you have in error? Joel At 03:29 PM 7/7/2001, you wrote: >I am still on and was thiunking of writing you about a post a few days ago. >My address is changed > >rgcatron@polka.plala.or.jp > >Since I am writing I wanted to ask about the early information for Martin >Loy. One particulzr thing that interested me was the following part - >: > > 1 Martin Leeye Loy b: 1700 d: 1779 in Orange Co NC >.. +Catherreny Faust b: 1722 in Orange Co., NC m: 1745 in Berks, PA >d: 1750 in St. Asaph's Dist., Orange, NC bur Stoners Church Alamance NC >.. 2 George Loy b: 1743 in Bucks Co., PA > d: 1799 in Orange County, NC >...... +Mary Elizabeth Tilmon/ Tilghman ? > d: in Orange County, North Carolina > >Caherreny Faust probably was not born Orange County 1722 but if the person >compiling her records did not know otherwise they might in fairness say she >was of Orange County. Orange County was settled by Germans, Scotch Irish >and English largely coming down from Maryland (Most of the Germans entered >the US Pennsylvania ca 1725 - 1765 and migrated through Frederick MD, the >Great Valley (Shenendoah) and on into North Carolina. An important eevent >in 1761 seems to have been that Lord Granville was parcelling out land. >There was probably not that much settlement before that though there was in >Western North Carolina generally, probably from the early 1750's and largely >Scotch Irish. > >Given her date of birth and that her family were apparently at Stoner's >church, I think it is a fair bet to say she was born in Germany. I don't >think she was on the ship with Martin as I did not see any Fausts (could be >wrong) and it seems clear some of her people were settled with the Loys down >at Stoner. Again, they could have been on a different ship but it is also >highly probable that Martin met and married her on this side. It has been >mentioned here and there that there was a Martin Laye in Heidelburg the >right age and etc who had a different wife(again her name and marriage date >are known but I do not have them before me). Maybe Catherine was Martin's >second wife. That would explain the birth of some sons before the marriage >date. > >The marriage of Catherine to Martin in 1745 in Berks seems as if it could be >right. That was a big jumping off place for the travelers down the great >road. I had not heard it before. I have always wondered about the >identification of Bucks County because people from there tended to head up >into Western PA and on into Ohio. I have often wondered if there was not >confusion with a later Martin Loy who was known to have lived in Bucks and >migrated to Western PA. However, it is interesting that two brother's in >law from the Goshenhoppen Church in Montgomery (J. Philip Emmert and George >I forget at the moment) were on the St. Mark with Martin Loy in 1741. They >lived in Bucks (there is an area where Bersk, Montgomery Bucks and Lehigh >all share corners) went to church in Motgomery and eventually settled in >Berks so that was actually an acceptable migration pattern. > >George's birth in 1743 would seem to suggest that the other wife lived at >least to that point. I could be wrong but 1750 looks a little early for her >death given that she was buried in St Asaph's District at the Stoner Church. >Shew should have been alive at least as late as 1769. I do not have an >alternative date however unless one of the Martin Loy researchers knows >something about this. > >Also I have the following from the old Court Records of Augusta County >(Scotch Irish Records) unless othewrwise stated these refer to Augusta >County Virginia. Specifically Staunton. The Loy Family in Ameria has man >of these same records (as transcribed by Nellie Loy Whitmore) though the >analysis of the family in that book seems to confuse 2 or perhaps three >distinct Stephen Loys, 1 English and 1 (or 2) German. > >"2d February, 1754. Patton to Augustine, Henry and Daniel Price, 1130 acres >on Tom's Creek, a branch of New River. Cor. Jacob Lorton, line of John >Adams' land.......2d February, 1754. Same to Martin Loy, 230 acres on Tom's >Creek. Cor. George Sharp's land." The Loy Family In America says Tom's >Creek is in Virginia and I think it is near Stauntonm[GEL]. > >"10th February, 1754. Same to Casper Barrier, 507 acres on Tom's Creek as >above. Cor. Wm. Ingles. Lepard's line; Martin Loy's line." > >"17th February, 1758. Colonel James Patton's estate; appraised by Thomas >Stewart, John Ramsey, Edward Hall. List of bonds, bills, &c., due the >estate: James Wiley's, 3rd May, 1754; Wm. Leppard's, 15th February, 1753; >John Die and Wm. Leppard's, 2nd February, 1754; William Byers, 15th >February, 1754; Ernest Sharp, John Sharp and Martin Loy" > >Elizabeth Crawford vs. Stephen Loy.--Attachment, 17th April, 1763. Stephen >Loy, of Frederick Town, in Maryland, to Thomas Fulton. Bond 25th March, >1762. > >Ro. Breckinridge vs. Stephen Loy.--Defendant's bond, dated 21st May, 1762, >from Manochissie [Frederick Cy MD GEL] > >"Page 383.--21st August, 1765. Robert Breckenridge and Lettice to Stephen >Loy. ?230 (paid by said Martin Loy), 245 acres in Beverley Manor conveyed to >Robert. 17th May, 1749." I do not know what said means because the editor >did not quote the entire document. - I think Beverly MAnor might be up in >Frederick but am not sure. Anyway, MArtin is offsetting some obligation he >has to Stephen [GEL] > >"Page 271.--24th February, 1770. Stephen Loy, tanner, to Sampson and Geo. >Mathews, ?45, negro slave, condition that Stephen Loy and Doctor John >Watkins on 20th February, 1769, executed a bond to S. and G. Mathews >for ?60; now if Stephen make payment. Teste: William Robertson and Cathorine >Loy." > >"Page 519.--23d June, 1770. Stephen Loy and Mary ( ) to William >Bowyer, ?150, 245 acres whereon Stephen now lives, which he purchased of >Robert Breckinridge and joining Alexander McClenachan, Andrew Scott. Robert >McClenachan, David Stuart and Elisha McClenachan. Teste: G. Jones, Lew >Bowyer, Wm. Madison, Michael Bowyer. [p.504]" > >Stephen's wife was apparently Mary so who was Cathorine Loy? A daughter or a >sister in law? The latter might make a better witness. > >My guess is that prior to 1754, Stephen and Martin loy were in Frederick Cy. >About 1754 they moved to Staunton with Martin at Tom's Creek and Martin went >on to Orange County some time in the 1760's. Stephen got involved in >lawsuits for some supplies he was buying for his tanning business and may >have moved back to Maryland. The records are suggestive but not entirely >clear. Stephen was a German and not English as is attested by his >naturalization in Staunton in 1754. I do not know why Martin's does not >appear except that the editor of the Scots Irish in Virginia tended to >expunge materials he thought were entirely German in Content. > >The presence of Stephen and Martin Loy near Thurmont and Frederick MD where >John George Loy was settled may suggest a reltaionship between them as well >though I have not seen the connection as I have with Martin & Stephen. This >is a very confused area. However, there were not that many German born >Martin Loys the right age in America then and given the ties between the >Loys and Sharps in North Carolina I think it interestting that the name >Martin Loy in Virginia is usually associated with one or more people of the >name Sharp. > >Grady > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >??? : <Georgiamhh@aol.com> >?? : <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> >???? : Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:15 >?? : Re: [LOY] Re: Loy Family > > > > Does Roger Loy in Tokyo, Japan, still belong to this list? > > > > I upgraded and lost all of my favorites and address list. > > > > Regards, > > Georgia Hornbuckle > > GeorgiaMHH@aol.com > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > > Questions? Please contact me at: Loy-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. 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Now time for my input: No one knows the birthdates of Martin, Catherine, or any of their children, except for son John. The dates given have all been speculative. As far as a marriage date for Martin and Catherine, none have been found, either. Personally, I haven't found enough proof enough of there being any other wife than Catherine, either. As far as variants in name spelling, another personal view, is that Martin was a Loy upon arrival to America. His sons went by "Loy" and their descendants went by the Loy spelling whenever they personally got to sign their own names. It's when there was a transcriber that the name was spelled any other way. A good example of this is people have spelled my name as "Dolores, Deloris, Doloris, Dolorus," and about any other way imaginable, but that doesn't mean I go by all these spellings. As far as George Loy's wife, it was Catherine Tillman. Mary Elizabeth Tillman was Catherine's mother. Source: LDS baptism of Margaret (Loy) Tillman in 1842, stating her mother was Catherine Loy and grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Tillman. In this record, she also gives father as George Loy and grandparents Martin and Catherine Loy. (Note it isn't Catherinney or Leey) So, Grady, the part that interested you isn't really factual. The only fact in this: > > 1 Martin Leeye Loy b: 1700 d: 1779 in Orange Co NC > .. +Catherreny Faust b: 1722 in Orange Co., NC m: 1745 in Berks, PA > d: 1750 in St. Asaph's Dist., Orange, NC bur Stoners Church Alamance NC > .. 2 George Loy b: 1743 in Bucks Co., PA > d: 1799 in Orange County, NC > ...... +Mary Elizabeth Tilmon/ Tilghman ? > d: in Orange County, North Carolina is that Martin's will was proven in 1779 Orange Co., NC, his wife was Catherine Foust (this surname given by tradition, but there were many Foust families in the area, so it is possible; regarding spelling of "Foust," instead of "Faust," Foust was the way the families in NC spelled their name), and that it is theorized they may have been buried in Stoner's cemetery, which would be an unmarked grave, if so. Their son George Loy was born before son John (b. 1747) but no year is known for George. Probably he was born in PA, though, since John was. As far as quoting from Loy Family in America--I supplied a lot of info for the book, but a lot was put in the book wrong from what I had submitted (even to me being called "Deborah"). As for the transcriptions of Martin listed in Augusta Co., VA records, the researcher should consult the original source instead of relying on the transcription from Loy Family in America. Martin Loy did go to Augusta Co., VA. This was first documented in the 1950's (at least a published documentation) in the book "Know Your Relatives," by Genevieve Peters. In this same book, it states that (around 1900) a descendant of Martin's, Noah Loy, stated that Martin Loy had a brother in law named Sharpe. Because of the Sharp families living in Augusta Co., VA next to him, and that the mysterious Anna Marie (Loy) Sharp lived in that area, I am inclined to theorize (and again, theorize) that she may have been his sister. She had children born around the same generation as Martin's children. Some have suggested she was the daughter Mary listed in Martin's will. I don't believe this, not only because tradition has Mary married to George Foust, but also that she was willed livestock. At that time Anna Marie Loy wasn't living in North Carolina. (I think TN or still in VA--one of her descendants could tell for sure, no doubt). Anyway, without the modern transportation, it would have taken a long time to take the cow and calf to her if she wasn't living in the immediate area. >From my research, the Steven Loy listed in all the VA records is the same one. It has been suggested that the Catherine Loy mentioned in Stephen Loy's records was Martin's wife Catherine. I would have to investigate this more to state whether I agree or disagree with this theory. Delores

Dear Delores: Thank you for the clarification and additional information (the Anna Maria Sharp information is particularly interesting and though there has been much discussion about her I appreciated getting it in summarized form). I always hope that someone has discovered a date of some kind that has not been found before or has been overooked. But I understand the state of affairs as you describe it. I also have nothing independent to suggest that Martin of North Carolina had a wife other than Catherine. My only point was that if based on the information provided in the post he would have had to have had one. And that would also coincide with the bit of information in the IGI from Germany saying that a Martin Loy about the right age married to an Anna Margaretha Fechter (b. Assenheim? married Bohl? Hassloch?, Heidelburg?, Pfalz January 6, 1730). However, this couple had children Emanuel (21 Nov 1737 Mussbach, Pfalz), Johan Jacob (4 Jul 1734 Mussbach, Pfalz) and Catharina (29 Aug 1730 Mussbach, Pfalz). None of these children show up in the new world apparently so that would lend credence to the position that this was not the same Martin. I have not checked to try to see if they stayed in Germany. However the records are from a type of IGI file where people located and recorded the names of people with the same surname in an area where it was knownn or thought their family had originated. Presence or absence of the names where the records have not been taken from complete parish recordds is not indicative. These partial records are different from the complete transcribed parish records which are also part of IGI (Batch numbers have a C a P or an M in front of them). The transcribed parish records tend to be much more complete. There were two Stephens in Virginia, one a Germanic Loy in Staunton, Augusta Cy and one a English Lay in Loudoun Cy. The descendants of the Loudoun Stephen have traced their family back to England apparnetly and the naming patterns are honestly not those of a first generation Geman inmmigrant family. I do not know if Stephen Loy of Staunton had children yet. His wife (from the documents) appears to have been a "Mary" although Chalkey (Scots Irish in Virginia) placed a parenthesis where "his wife" or a surname would normally appear. The placing in the document and the sort of document it appears in very strongly suggest that she was his wife. There was an old Swiss custom in certain cantosn of wives having their names recorded in records by their maiden names even after marriage but I have never heard of it being practiced in America and of course PA church records place the feminine gender ending "in" after surnames in womens names but I have never heard of the practice in colonial records. I suggested there might be two German Loys - say a father and son - in addition to Stephen Lay son of Abraham in Loudoun - because later records describe the German Stephen as being from Frederick Maryland (ie resident there) at that time (late 1860's). I suppose however that might mean that Stephen's tanning business in Staunton had collapsed or been terminated and he had gone back up to Frederick Maryland to try his hand anew at tanning or something else. Themain reason people did not backtrack up the Great Road was that the price of land increased as you went north into older settled areas. That might not be such a concern for a tanner, however. Catherine Loy appears as a "witness" (Test) which was a job normally reserved for men in those days. I may try to study the circumstances under which a woman in that day and place would be wanted to serve as or would want to serve as a witness to a deed. I could imagine her singing or putting a mark if that would serve to convince someone else who trusted her of the authenticity of what was being done. That is why I kind of lean toward her being Martin's wife or the wife of a Martin Loy anyway. Martin paid 230 pounds on behalf of Stephen on a purchase of 245 acres of land with the Breckenridges. Either Stephen did not have any money handy (as much trouble as he was in with his vendors from time to time that would not surprise me) or Martin owed him some money. Without seeing the actual Augusta Records which had more on Martin (they referred to "said Martin" at one point whn that was the first appearance of his name) it is impossible to tell but there is a high possibility that Martin had an interest in Stephen's property. That might explain Catherine's witnessing a deed between Stephen and others, though it is still little odd. Or she could be no connection to Stephen an/or Martin but that is extremely unlikely. For me also the repeated appearance of Martin with men named Sharp in the Virginia records is suggestive that he may be the same Martin as your ancestor. I think a great deal could be learned by searching the original Augusta records unedited by Chalkey (I assume they survived the Civil War unscathed). If Stephen was family and Martin did live in Virginia there should be court records or probate or whatever that might provide an additional fact or two. I quoted Chalkey (Scots Irish) directly. I only quote the Loy Family in America as a last resort when I canot find the primary records. In this case I found later to my chagrin that most of what I posted about Loys in Staunton was also quoted in full in the Loy Family in America (the quotes of Chalkey originating with you, Nellie Loy Whitmore or both I suppose) In closing I re-emphasize that I follow and agree with your conclusion that there is not enough evidence for a second wife of Martin Loy, whether Anna Margretha Fechter or anyone else, to suggest it at this time. I also acknowledge that if you have not found or heard of sound dates for the first generations, that I have no reason to believe there are any available just now. I hope that someone comes up with something from Martin's pre-North Carolina years because apparently Martin spent a relatively short portion of his life in North Carolina. Most of what he did was in other places, and I imagine there is much interesting to be learned. My main interest in wading in to the Martin Loy line -aside from the fact that the Martin Loy story appears likley to have been interesting ; has anyone ever looked to see where he and his sons stood on the matter of the Regulators? the Battle of Alamance (1771) must have been fought within walking distance of his home- as I said, the main other reason for interest is to try to find whether Stephen Loy left any descendants, or if either Martin or Stephen could have been related to other branches. There are supposed to be about 5 major branches of Loys who came in the mid 1700's but there are really probably twice that number. To really understand where all of the Loys we are searching for were and what they were doing, it is necessary to get a better idea of all the contemporaneous branches in that area. I can understand the frustration you must sometimes feel at what appears to be repeated dissemination of discredited or incorrect information (I am still struggling hopelessly with the incorrect Johan Heinrich Ley - Maria Elizabeth Kumpf story of the origins of the John Loy line of Frederick County Virginia for which there is not a shred of primary evidence anywhere so far). I hope I have managed to restate my thoughts in a way that does not lend further to confusion, but I really hope to see progress in research on Martin's middle years. Grady ----- Original Message ----- ??? : "Delores Rochelle Walls" <Loy_Genealogy@att.net> ?? : <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> ???? : Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:24 ?? : [LOY] Martin Loy in VA and everything else ;-) > Now time for my input: > > No one knows the birthdates of Martin, Catherine, or any of their children, > except for son John. The dates given have all been speculative. As far as > a marriage date for Martin and Catherine, none have been found, either. > Personally, I haven't found enough proof enough of there being any other > wife than Catherine, either. As far as variants in name spelling, another > personal view, is that Martin was a Loy upon arrival to America. His sons > went by "Loy" and their descendants went by the Loy spelling whenever they > personally got to sign their own names. It's when there was a transcriber > that the name was spelled any other way. A good example of this is people > have spelled my name as "Dolores, Deloris, Doloris, Dolorus," and about any > other way imaginable, but that doesn't mean I go by all these spellings. > > As far as George Loy's wife, it was Catherine Tillman. Mary Elizabeth > Tillman was Catherine's mother. Source: LDS baptism of Margaret (Loy) > Tillman in 1842, stating her mother was Catherine Loy and grandmother was > Mary Elizabeth Tillman. In this record, she also gives father as George Loy > and grandparents Martin and Catherine Loy. (Note it isn't Catherinney or > Leey) > > So, Grady, the part that interested you isn't really factual. The only fact > in this: > > > > 1 Martin Leeye Loy b: 1700 d: 1779 in Orange Co NC > > .. +Catherreny Faust b: 1722 in Orange Co., NC m: 1745 in Berks, PA > > d: 1750 in St. Asaph's Dist., Orange, NC bur Stoners Church Alamance NC > > .. 2 George Loy b: 1743 in Bucks Co., PA > > d: 1799 in Orange County, NC > > ...... +Mary Elizabeth Tilmon/ Tilghman ? > > d: in Orange County, North Carolina > > is that Martin's will was proven in 1779 Orange Co., NC, his wife was > Catherine Foust (this surname given by tradition, but there were many Foust > families in the area, so it is possible; regarding spelling of "Foust," > instead of "Faust," Foust was the way the families in NC spelled their > name), and that it is theorized they may have been buried in Stoner's > cemetery, which would be an unmarked grave, if so. Their son George Loy was > born before son John (b. 1747) but no year is known for George. Probably he > was born in PA, though, since John was. > > As far as quoting from Loy Family in America--I supplied a lot of info for > the book, but a lot was put in the book wrong from what I had submitted > (even to me being called "Deborah"). As for the transcriptions of Martin > listed in Augusta Co., VA records, the researcher should consult the > original source instead of relying on the transcription from Loy Family in > America. > > Martin Loy did go to Augusta Co., VA. This was first documented in the > 1950's (at least a published documentation) in the book "Know Your > Relatives," by Genevieve Peters. In this same book, it states that (around > 1900) a descendant of Martin's, Noah Loy, stated that Martin Loy had a > brother in law named Sharpe. Because of the Sharp families living in > Augusta Co., VA next to him, and that the mysterious Anna Marie (Loy) Sharp > lived in that area, I am inclined to theorize (and again, theorize) that she > may have been his sister. She had children born around the same generation > as Martin's children. Some have suggested she was the daughter Mary listed > in Martin's will. I don't believe this, not only because tradition has Mary > married to George Foust, but also that she was willed livestock. At that > time Anna Marie Loy wasn't living in North Carolina. (I think TN or still > in VA--one of her descendants could tell for sure, no doubt). Anyway, > without the modern transportation, it would have taken a long time to take > the cow and calf to her if she wasn't living in the immediate area. > > >From my research, the Steven Loy listed in all the VA records is the same > one. It has been suggested that the Catherine Loy mentioned in Stephen > Loy's records was Martin's wife Catherine. I would have to investigate this > more to state whether I agree or disagree with this theory. > > Delores