Great and Good find <FrankSense@aol.com> said: Had another piece of mail in.   They nailed him. Born Nov. 2, 1812 in Hampshire, VA. Father was Jacob Loy.  Mother was Mary Slane. Hiram married Nancy Brown Denune on October 11, 1840. Hiram dies June 10, 1900, in McDonough Co., Illinois. I undstand but this keeps it down to the more likely states. What source gave you a year of birth of 1812. JohnW <FrankSense@aol.com> said: My branch of Loy's is from Illinois, Macomb.  My guess is he was born in IL, IN, OH, or PA, maybe even VA. From: <FrankSense@aol.com> To: LOY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LOY] Hiram Loy Looking for ancestors of Hiram Loy, b 1812