Robin, What you wrote was a worse reflection on the Loy family than mere grammatical errors. Grammar can be fixed, but can an unkind heart? I have no wish to insult you, I'm just pointing out what I see as perhaps your flaw. We are on this list to learn about our ancestors, not pick apart others. Jane Ries (descendant of Martin Loy) P.S. Margaret, do not let this keep you from posting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Woodward <robinw@home9854.freeserve.co.uk> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [LOY] William E. Loy letter > Margaret, > > In what language was your message written? I'm sorry to have to say > this, but it is complete gibberish! Are grammar and punctuation still taught > in American schools, or can you just not be bothered? If you have problems > with the English language, I would suggest that you have your messages > proof-read before sending them out. I have no wish to insult you, but to > send out such garbage puts neither you nor the Loy family in a good light. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Massey <margemassey@webtv.net> > To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [LOY] William E. Loy letter > > > > a lot of or loy are morman decended from hans jurigh ley at > > least in idaho even decents today > > > > Smiles light the day > > Marge Massey > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof > > > > http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > > What have we been talking about? Find out in the archives: > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and type in LOY. > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > Questions? Please contact me at: Loy-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ >

I wholeheartedly agree with Kim and Linda! And manners are much more inportant than having perfect grammar--I say this as someone who is studying to be an English teacher. I have several relatives who have perfect grammar and don't care a thing about their Loy history. Then there are others who don't spell well but are one of the most interested in family history that I love emailing. For the record, I think we've all broken grammar rules at least once in these mailings, whether it be adding a possessive apostrophe to the plural Loys, or transposing letters in a word as I have caught myself doing. Sew letz knot git hung up in beeing perfukt and letz hav fun in geneelogee. Get my meaning? Delores (BTW, Linda, I didn't know you are deaf. I'm taking ASL classes at college and wish you lived near me and help me practice. Too bad we can't sign online. ;-)

The ONLY error I detected was the missing "u" in the word or, which would make it our... Everyone is human and errors do occur. I think you owe the entire list and the person you insulted publicly, an apology. Robin Woodward wrote: > > Margaret, > > In what language was your message written? I'm sorry to have to say > this, but it is complete gibberish! Are grammar and punctuation still taught > in American schools, or can you just not be bothered? If you have problems > with the English language, I would suggest that you have your messages > proof-read before sending them out. I have no wish to insult you, but to > send out such garbage puts neither you nor the Loy family in a good light. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Massey <margemassey@webtv.net> > To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [LOY] William E. Loy letter > > > a lot of or loy are morman decended from hans jurigh ley at > > least in idaho even decents today > > > > Smiles light the day > > Marge Massey > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof > > > > http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > > What have we been talking about? Find out in the archives: > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and type in LOY. > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > Questions? Please contact me at: Loy-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/

Dear Loy listers, The following tone is not acceptable on this list. The poster has been warned. Enough. Roxanne ListHostess -----Original Message----- From: Robin Woodward [mailto:robinw@home9854.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:39 AM To: LOY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LOY] William E. Loy letter Margaret, In what language was your message written? I'm sorry to have to say this, but it is complete gibberish! Are grammar and punctuation still taught in American schools, or can you just not be bothered? If you have problems with the English language, I would suggest that you have your messages proof-read before sending them out. I have no wish to insult you, but to send out such garbage puts neither you nor the Loy family in a good light. ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Massey <margemassey@webtv.net> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [LOY] William E. Loy letter > a lot of or loy are morman decended from hans jurigh ley at > least in idaho even decents today > > Smiles light the day > Marge Massey > > > http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof > > http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > What have we been talking about? Find out in the archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and type in LOY. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** Questions? Please contact me at: Loy-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! http://searches.rootsweb.com/

In a message dated 2/19/01 11:29:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, robinw@home9854.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Are grammar and punctuation still taught > in American schools, or can you just not be bothered? Hello, Before anyone should jump to the conclusion that this person does not care about his or her grammar and punctuation, maybe this person has some kind of learning disability that prevents her or him from writing well, such as dyslexia among other things. I am a Deaf person whose first language is American Sign Language and sometimes I struggle with English grammar so my English is not perfect. However I am sure that this person may have other skills that will make any past, present and future Loys proud and it does not have to be a writing skill. Just my 2cents worth here. Sincerely, Linda Carroll (a descendant of John "Fisher" Loy)

I'm wondering if Jacob might have visited Henry while on his way to Iowa, since it would have been on the way. I do know that the route brother William took to MO (and then to Iowa) would have taken him through Cairo. The part about the widow and son and daughter makes it confusing when comparing it to Henry's family, but if the part about Henry being Mormon was right, maybe the widow part was confused with the Clapp family, since Henry's family lived in IL?? We might find more about this mystery if we can confirm the Decker marriage to the Loy daughter. I checked on the internet last night and could only find Charles Franklin Decker's marriage to Vilate Young (b. 1830) daughter of Brigham Young. I can't imagine him just having one wife, though this gedcom didn't give any other for him. If any of you come across more info on other wives for Charles Decker, please let me know. Delores

Delores, Thanks for this letter, it gives me a little better understanding of my Henry Loy (1790-1873). I believe my Henry Loy did 'go off with the Mormons' as is stated in the letter. As you know, Henry married Martha "Patsy" Greenwood. Henry and Martha left AL in 1829 and moved to Calloway County, KY. Martha's father, Joseph Greenwood, went with them. Henry's sister Margaret Loy Clapp and her family also moved to Calloway, KY at about the same time. From some of the records I've found I believe that Joseph Greenwood was involved with the Mormons at this time. Joseph died in 1835 or 36 and within a couple of years Henry Loy moved his family to IL. In 1840 they were living in St. Clair County, IL and by the mid-1840s in Jackson County. I've not looked for records of him near Nauvoo, but it is possible they spent some time there as well. I'm at work right now and will have to check my files, but it seems to me that Henry's eldest son, Alfred Loy, was also mentioned as a Morm! on! ! . I need to dig into this further. Joel jsruss@mindspring.com LOY-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > This message will be of interest to Martin Loy descendants like me. I was gleaning through some of my old genealogy correspondence from the 1980's and found a photocopy that was quite interesting of a letter which would have been written before 1906. Despite the fact I've corresponded with William's great-granddaughter and her daughter, the letter came to me before I came into contact with them. In the mid-1980's I corresponded with an elderly distant cousin of my Effingham branch who had, in turn, corresponded many years with Genevieve Peters who authored "Know Your Relatives." Genevieve herself had corresponded many years with Vetta Loy Johnson, granddaughter of William and Duly (Hill) Loy, son of George and Catherine (Tillman) Loy, son of Martin and Catherine (Foust) Loy. Vetta's father George Tate Loy was an avid Loy genealogist (as was Vetta herself) and had corresponded with William E. Loy, whose father Job Loy was first cousin to George Tate Loy. William E.'s son Harvey Loy later did a Loy manuscript based on his father's work. Genevieve had sent cousin Myrtle a typewritten transcription of a letter Vetta had in her possession that her father had received from William E. Loy. This has an 17 August date on it, but I can't read the year, as part of the page is cut off. William died in 1906, so it would have to be before then. My comments are with DRW. ************************************************** 531 Commercial St. San Francisco Aug 17 Mr. George T. Loy--Coin Iowa Dear Cousin-it is considerably more than a year since you wrote me in regard to the affair with Luther Vanaradel. [DRW-don't know what this means unless W.E. was a lawyer] There seemed to be nothing to do unless the widow could go to Page Co. and commnece suit. This she could do and it would not pay her to do it even if she could be sure of winning which she is not. There is another matter I now want to write about and that is the history of the Loy family. When Father died fourteen years ago [this is Job Loy--DRW] I collected some facts but found it extremely difficult to get the records. Lately I have begun again and even if I never complete it or print it the records will be available for anoyone who has interest in the family name. Here are the fa[cts] I have learned. Your grandfather was George Loy and he lived in Guilford County North Carolina [DRW--should be Orange County, but county line may have changed to Guilford later??] where my grandfather was born. I do not know whether this first George Loy was born in North Carolina or whether he came from the old country. We have supposed all along that he came from Germany but I doubt. I can not learn the name of your grandmother. My grandfather Jacob Loy moved from North Carolina to Tenn and it is [more] than likely his father [George, but he died in NC--DRW] and all his family moved out there. You may remember to have heard your father [Jacob's brother William] say something about it. In any event, I want to ask you to refresh your memory and talk the matter over with any [of] your sisters who might remember. George Loy had three [sons] John, [George,] Jacob, Henry, and William. [W.E. Loy counts three but names four. Vetta made corrections on the page by adding George Jr., but still miscounted these as "four" and naming five! DRW] John died at Furnace, Tenn [this was John "Fisher" Loy. DRW] and he was the father of the Isaac Loy who came to Page County soon after the [Civil--DRW] War. Henry went off with the Mormons and the last grandfather heard of him he was at Nauvoo. I think I am not a fair way to determine his fate. I believe at the uprising of the people against the Mormons at Nauvoo Henry was among the slain. [Here, Vetta marks "no." See my comment at end of article. DRW] His widow and son and daughter came with the Mormons to Salt Lake and the daughter married a son-in-law of Brigham Young. Charles Decker or Deeker by name. This information is not yet confirmed but I believe it is correct. Your father as I have always understood remained in Tenn probably with John. [DRW--William went to Page Co., IA] My uncle Henry says there were several sisters of his father and yours....Of course I am chiefly interested in those who were born Loys. In all probability you have your fathers old family Bible as thus have the records. If I may impose on your good nature I wish you would carefully copy the record and your own thus... Do you know anything about the line of David Loy, Aunt Betsy's husband who died about 1858. I am not sure whether he was a first or second cousin to his wife. If a first cousin then who was his father. You will give the name of your wife (her maiden name) where and when born and when married. I hope this will not frighten you because I do not want you tao make any [illegible word--DRW] out of it. With good wishes I am Your Cousin, William E. Loy. **************************** Regarding Mormon Henry Loy, Vetta is correct, as George's son Henry died in 1873 in Jackson Co., IL. I have heard other accounts of this Mormon Henry Loy and not sure which family he really belongs or even if this was confused with Henry and William's sister Margaret (Loy) Clapp who did become a widow and lived in Nauvoo and went with him to Salt Lake. As for David Loy, he was son of John Loy, Jr, son of John and Mary (Holt) Loy. Thus George Tate Loy was second cousin to David, and first cousin to Elizabeth ("Aunt Betsy"). W.E. Loy's father Job would have been first cousin to David, and brother to Elizabeth. 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a lot of or loy are morman decended from hans jurigh ley at least in idaho even decents today Smiles light the day Marge Massey http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc

This message will be of interest to Martin Loy descendants like me. I was gleaning through some of my old genealogy correspondence from the 1980's and found a photocopy that was quite interesting of a letter which would have been written before 1906. Despite the fact I've corresponded with William's great-granddaughter and her daughter, the letter came to me before I came into contact with them. In the mid-1980's I corresponded with an elderly distant cousin of my Effingham branch who had, in turn, corresponded many years with Genevieve Peters who authored "Know Your Relatives." Genevieve herself had corresponded many years with Vetta Loy Johnson, granddaughter of William and Duly (Hill) Loy, son of George and Catherine (Tillman) Loy, son of Martin and Catherine (Foust) Loy. Vetta's father George Tate Loy was an avid Loy genealogist (as was Vetta herself) and had corresponded with William E. Loy, whose father Job Loy was first cousin to George Tate Loy. William E.'s son Harvey Loy later did a Loy manuscript based on his father's work. Genevieve had sent cousin Myrtle a typewritten transcription of a letter Vetta had in her possession that her father had received from William E. Loy. This has an 17 August date on it, but I can't read the year, as part of the page is cut off. William died in 1906, so it would have to be before then. My comments are with DRW. ************************************************** 531 Commercial St. San Francisco Aug 17 Mr. George T. Loy--Coin Iowa Dear Cousin-it is considerably more than a year since you wrote me in regard to the affair with Luther Vanaradel. [DRW-don't know what this means unless W.E. was a lawyer] There seemed to be nothing to do unless the widow could go to Page Co. and commnece suit. This she could do and it would not pay her to do it even if she could be sure of winning which she is not. There is another matter I now want to write about and that is the history of the Loy family. When Father died fourteen years ago [this is Job Loy--DRW] I collected some facts but found it extremely difficult to get the records. Lately I have begun again and even if I never complete it or print it the records will be available for anoyone who has interest in the family name. Here are the fa[cts] I have learned. Your grandfather was George Loy and he lived in Guilford County North Carolina [DRW--should be Orange County, but county line may have changed to Guilford later??] where my grandfather was born. I do not know whether this first George Loy was born in North Carolina or whether he came from the old country. We have supposed all along that he came from Germany but I doubt. I can not learn the name of your grandmother. My grandfather Jacob Loy moved from North Carolina to Tenn and it is [more] than likely his father [George, but he died in NC--DRW] and all his family moved out there. You may remember to have heard your father [Jacob's brother William] say something about it. In any event, I want to ask you to refresh your memory and talk the matter over with any [of] your sisters who might remember. George Loy had three [sons] John, [George,] Jacob, Henry, and William. [W.E. Loy counts three but names four. Vetta made corrections on the page by adding George Jr., but still miscounted these as "four" and naming five! DRW] John died at Furnace, Tenn [this was John "Fisher" Loy. DRW] and he was the father of the Isaac Loy who came to Page County soon after the [Civil--DRW] War. Henry went off with the Mormons and the last grandfather heard of him he was at Nauvoo. I think I am not a fair way to determine his fate. I believe at the uprising of the people against the Mormons at Nauvoo Henry was among the slain. [Here, Vetta marks "no." See my comment at end of article. DRW] His widow and son and daughter came with the Mormons to Salt Lake and the daughter married a son-in-law of Brigham Young. Charles Decker or Deeker by name. This information is not yet confirmed but I believe it is correct. Your father as I have always understood remained in Tenn probably with John. [DRW--William went to Page Co., IA] My uncle Henry says there were several sisters of his father and yours....Of course I am chiefly interested in those who were born Loys. In all probability you have your fathers old family Bible as thus have the records. If I may impose on your good nature I wish you would carefully copy the record and your own thus... Do you know anything about the line of David Loy, Aunt Betsy's husband who died about 1858. I am not sure whether he was a first or second cousin to his wife. If a first cousin then who was his father. You will give the name of your wife (her maiden name) where and when born and when married. I hope this will not frighten you because I do not want you tao make any [illegible word--DRW] out of it. With good wishes I am Your Cousin, William E. Loy. **************************** Regarding Mormon Henry Loy, Vetta is correct, as George's son Henry died in 1873 in Jackson Co., IL. I have heard other accounts of this Mormon Henry Loy and not sure which family he really belongs or even if this was confused with Henry and William's sister Margaret (Loy) Clapp who did become a widow and lived in Nauvoo and went with him to Salt Lake. As for David Loy, he was son of John Loy, Jr, son of John and Mary (Holt) Loy. Thus George Tate Loy was second cousin to David, and first cousin to Elizabeth ("Aunt Betsy"). W.E. Loy's father Job would have been first cousin to David, and brother to Elizabeth. Delores

I left of the "s" in the URL. It should be http://www.gencircles.com I noticed no Loy messages had been posted yet, so I made mention of my site there. This makes the fourth Loy board I know along with Familyhistory.com, Genforum.com, Rootsweb.com. If anyone knows any more boards, please let me know. I think I'll begin listing these links on my next site update for everyone's convenience. Delores

In today's daily email from Everton there was a link to http://www.gencircle.com This site has gedcoms and surname and state forum "clubs". I've found it quite interesting Delores The Complete Loy History Website http://members.fortunecity.com/loyhistory

Hi - My great-great-grandfather was Samuel Adam Loy. He was a son of Penrose A. and Christiana (Moyer) Loy. They lived in Wayne Twp. and Washington Twp., Schuylkill Co., PA. I am interested in any pictures of this family. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Gregory

-----Original Message----- From: loy grady [mailto:rgcatron@polka.plala.or.jp] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:10 PM To: LOY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [LOY] 1830 CONDITIONS OF SALE BROADSIDE! LOY FAMILY Item #553426513 There was an Andrew Loy in Dauphin or Lebanon county at that point (fl. 1800-1810). There was probably more than one generation with the name. There was an Andrew Loy also in Hampshire County Virginia/West Virginia - John Loy's line through son of Daniel and Christina Millslagle. That Andrew would have been born 1780 - 1790. Grady Loy ----- Original Message ----- From: <ALoy106018@aol.com> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:01 AM Subject: [LOY] 1830 CONDITIONS OF SALE BROADSIDE! LOY FAMILY Item #553426513 > LOy auction on ebay just encase you have a connection here > > > 1830 CONDITIONS OF SALE BROADSIDE! LOY FAMILY > Item #553426513 > > Nice early handwritten American broadside stating the conditions of a Public > sale of the estate of Andrew Loy, deceased. Perhaps Virginia(?) Vig is in > parenthesis. Spring Creek Mills is mentioned if this helps place the sale. > 14" by 8.5". The expected wear for a 170+ year old document, was folded into > fourths, wear around the border and stains-visible in photo. Wove paper, no > watermark. > > > > Angela > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > Please check out the LOY resource page at: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/l/o/LOY/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

LOy auction on ebay just encase you have a connection here 1830 CONDITIONS OF SALE BROADSIDE! LOY FAMILY Item #553426513 Nice early handwritten American broadside stating the conditions of a Public sale of the estate of Andrew Loy, deceased. Perhaps Virginia(?) Vig is in parenthesis. Spring Creek Mills is mentioned if this helps place the sale. 14" by 8.5". The expected wear for a 170+ year old document, was folded into fourths, wear around the border and stains-visible in photo. Wove paper, no watermark. Angela

I am now looking at the possibility that Maria Elizabetha Ley, wife of Johannes Ley who arrived on the Loyal Judith and settled in Pennsylvania and later Virginia was born Maria Elisabetha Lindemann chr January 19, 1730 in Obermoschel, Pfalz Germany. The main reasons are as follows: (1) the identification of Maria Elizabetha with the daughter of Johan Conrad Kumpf and Anna Maria Feuerbach seems at this point out of the question. This identification was proposed in The Loy Family in America and it was further suggested that Maria Elizaetha came over on the Samuel in 1733 and was born 1711. This would make her sixty of course when she bore Conrad in 1771. In fact Johan Conrad Kumpf and his wife had no daughter named Maria Elizabetha with them on the Samuel as the records will show and actually bore a daughter by that name in 1733 or 1734(a better year admitidely if she was to bear Conrad) but that family was at New Holland, Lancaster until about 1737 when they moved to Maryland never to return to Pennsylvania. The Kumpfs lived near and knew John George Loy but the earliest record of a Loy Kumpf marriage I have seen was after the third generation in this country. The whole Johan Conrad Kumpf, New Goshenhoppen, Johan Heinrich Ley is wrong. There was another unrelated faily of Kump at New Goshenhoppen and one of this family traveled with Johan Andreas Muhlschlagel and the Emmerts to West Virginia where the Muhslchlagels and Loys got togeter in the persons of Daniel and Christina Muhslchlagel Loy. Daniel Loy used Henry Cump as his substitute in the Revolution but the relation was through Christina and not Daniela and there was no relation at all of any of them to Johan Conrad Kumpf. It was a good hypothesis but it will not stand up. (2) The Johann Justus Lindemans had a daughter name Maria Elisabetha christened January 19, 1730 in Obermoschel Germany. She would have been 18 or 19 at the time John Loy (Johannes Ley) would have married his wife (based on a 1750 - 1771 childbearing period). (3) The Lindimans (Justus and Anna Elizabetha Imsweiler Lindiman, Maria Elizabetha's parents) were on the Loyal Judith with Johannes Ley (John Loy). (4) No marriage to anyone other than Johannes Ley nor any evidence of her later life has yet been found for Maria Elizabeth Lindemann. (5) When John Loy (Johannes Ley) moved to the Brecknock portion of the Muddy Creek Reformed Congregation (about 1750), his near neighbor (also appearing there about the same time) was (Johan) Daniel Kieffer. Kieffer's wife was Catherine Lindemann, Maria Elizabeth's sister born six years before her in 1724. (6) Out of the 9 or so Loy children who were baptised 3 were recorded (at Muddy Creek and Allegheny) as having one or more of the Kieffers as sponsors and 1 more (Daniel) was almost certainly a Kieffer sponsorship. (7) Out of 5 baptisms of Kieffer children, the first was very probably and the second was definitely a Loy sponsored baptism. The other 3 children's sponsors included Peter Kieffer, Justus Lindeman and apparently Daniel Kieffer himself. (8) The preceding two represent a fairly high degree of cross sponsorship even if you take account only of the definite sponsorships and are highly suggestive of a family relationship. Johannes Ley apparently came to the New World alone and did not intereact with the other Loys to the extent that the other Loys intereacted with each other - at least that we have any record of now. He "could" have married a sister of Daniel Kieffer who came with his father (it appears) Peter Kieffer and/or a brother Peter (still working on this) but so far there is no evidence to suggest that any sisters or other near female relative of Daniel came to America whereas it is known that several women in the Justus Lindeman family came to America. Additionally, After Catherine Lindeman Kieffer died ( Sept 1767), Anna and Maria Kieffer, the Loys' godchildren, married and left Brecknock (1769 and 1773 respectively) there remains no further evidence of communication between the Loys and Kieffers. It appears that Daniel remarried and had three further children. Daniel's two youngest children by Catherine died very young and his son Johan Peter'fate is not clear. The family apparently went on in Brecknock through the children born to his second wife. This falling away suggests the ties between the Loy and Kieffer families were through the wives as opposed to the husbands or a brother sister tie. The Kieffers and the Loys disappear from records from the time of their arrival (1741 and 1740 respectively) until they surface at Brecknock as part of the Muddy Creek Congregation in 1750. This ten year period may have been spent in Coventry Twp, Chester where Justus Lindeman had settled with his family. Justus was a weaver but doubtless also ran a farm and often young German single men arriving without much money on these shores worked to save until they could marry and start their own farm or shop. It helped if you knew the person you worked for. It already seems (Burgret's 18th century emigrants The Western Palatinate) that Daniel and Peter Kieffer may have come from near Obermoschel. I think it probable that Johannes Ley did as well, though it need not have been the same town (and perhaps they did meet on the way but a long association in the old country is the better bet.) This remains only an unproven hypothesis and will require further concrete evidence before becoming anything more. I ask that noone yet regard it as proven and that the Lindeman name not be added to a Loy chart just yet. I would appreciate any advice, further information or criticism or comments. Thanks. Grady Loy

We have been on this message board and have received a lot of great information. However, we are having problems with our computer and must purchase a new virus protection. Therefore, we will be off the list for a month or two. If anyone starts down the line with EZRA NATHANIEL LOY in it, please send me a one on one email to mmero@cet.com Thanks!

Here is a good site that has some Loy's on it. Go to www.washingtonpost.com. Click on Obituaries. Then you can enter the name Loy under the search mechanism to search the obituaries for the past year. There were quite a few interesting hits, including folks in Virginia, different places as well as a Loy Funeral Home in Wardensburg? WV. Hope this helps someone out there locate missing relatives.

Thanks! That is very helpful and something I will pass on to my Mullinix family member who does the genealogy work for our family. Thanks again!

Happy New Year everyone! I am sending a link that seems quite interesting. I was sent a "form" of the link via Everton's daily email this morning regarding German migration to Brazil, got curious if the site included others, so upon taking off the "Brazil level" found the site covers the whole world of German migration. The link I've given is from Germany to the USA, but if anyone wants to explore German migration to other countries, just take off the "usa.html" part. http://www.genealogienetz.de/gene/reg/WELT/usa.html Focusing on the Loys (i.e. Martin Loy's origin) I found the link about the Rheinland-Pfalz (also known as "Rheinbayren") really good. [http://www.genealogienetz.de/gene/reg/RHE-PFA/rhein-p.html] It mentions of Heidelberg being the capital until the 18th century. This agrees with our tradition that Martin lived near Heidelberg. The above link gives the history of the Rheinland-Pfalz, all of which can be found by going to the first link I mentioned, but I'm giving each of the three separate to make it easier to find. http://www.genealogienetz.de/gene/reg/RHE-PFA/rhein-p-his.html#top Delores

Hi, Merry Christmas to all, a little late, and best wishes for a Happy New Year. Was just looking at my "new" Nov/Dec 2000 issue of Everton's Gen. Helper. On p. 43 it reads: "Mullinax, Mullenax, Mullinicks, Molinecks, and Molynow all derive from the originally French surname Molyneaux." Thought those of you with that name would like to know about the mention of your name. Best Wishes, Beth STEINBERG ARNOTT. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BJMullinix@aol.com> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [LOY] Names in Stone Book > I know of the Names in Stone Book for cemeteries in Frederick County, MD as I > live within 2 miles of the Frederick County line. I have visited the > Frederick Historical Society in Frederick, MD, (Frederick having been the > largest city within 15 miles of my house, it once was a busy social and > shopping town until my town began to be more commercialized). > > The book is definitely not worth your spending $132.00 on. It may contain > some Loy's, but if I recall, it has very few Loy's compared to all the other > names in the book. > > I could offer to get the material to you as soon as I can manage another trip > to the Historical Society. That would not be too hard for me as I think they > are open on Saturdays. Perhaps after the holidays. > > P.S. We just bought a scanner for one of my Christmas gifts, although my > husband insisted on setting it up now. So I can copy the pages and scan them > and send them to you. Okay? > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > What have we been talking about? Find out in the archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and type in LOY. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >