I'm not real sure how to start this, but I am trying to find any relatives or information. My gandparents are Louise Loy, and Alvin Loy in Hot Springs, AR. Any info would be great.

If you are still on the list could you email me Thanks Angela Loy

from another List several Loy's listed Angela Great new site http://www.arrangeonline.com/ Haven't found but a few obits online, but appears they've taken information from the SSDI to create birth and death dates.  Found some I've been missing.

>From another List FYI there are 11 Loy's listed Angela     Minnesota just started a new thing with Death Certificates giving access for them over the internet.  You can confirm if it's filed in Minnesota or not with this site, then you can order it in full.  The site confirms whether the certificate is there or not.  It gives the listing of the death certificate number along with the name and date of death along with what county they died in.     The site is from 1910 - 1946 ... if your looking for a death certificate, this would be of help to you from the Minnesota Historical Society without having to actually travel to the state it's self.     http://people.mnhs.org/dci/

looking for JHON loy who d, age 83 in kansas a son of George Loy and Louisa Shattuck . Smiles light the day Marge Massey http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/MyFamilyLinesGarcia

I am searching my family history and interested in finding family members past and present. My father Jerry Alan Loy from Indiana, My brother Leslie Kenneth Loy II.

do you have any dates, so we can check our files. most of the list members have a large collection , of data, if they all do as I do i collect and file by dates, mostly , makes it easy to check by generations, you have a great day Smiles light the day Marge Massey http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/MyFamilyLinesGarcia

I don't know which John Loy you are talking about, but my line is John George Loy. I'll help if I can. Carla Perez

I don't think you're from our branch. This is John Loy and our ancestor is Martin Loy from Germany who came over with 3 brothers and a sister. As far as we can trace they landed in PA and came to NC, then to TN and IL. (actually scattered to who knows where). John Loy

In a message dated 7/13/01 3:47:18 PM Central Daylight Time, majl@ic24.net writes: > who knows we may be related , there are not that many in great britain . > > see ya > > martin > > Martain Glad to met you Can you tell us a little about where your ancestors came from Angela Loy

hi martin I'm new to tracing my roots. most of the indicators show that my family came from Germany, but I have not proven this yet so its possible that I have relatives in England cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: <majl@ic24.net> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: [LOY] Re: read this please > > hi > > i don't know if i am related my name is martin loy and my wife is called jennifer and my kids are jack and chloe. > who knows we may be related , there are not that many in great britain . > > see ya > > martin > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > To subscribe to Digest Mode, please UNSUBSCRIBE from LOY-L and > send "Subscribe" to LOY-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

hi i don't know if i am related my name is martin loy and my wife is called jennifer and my kids are jack and chloe. who knows we may be related , there are not that many in great britain . see ya martin

possibly related to some loys , do you have any dates of your parents or grand parents to compare with all the loys in the list members files. i do have a collection on the surname as do all list members , some of my co relation my of traveled to england ihave a lot of loy in my files of decents of my mothers cousins and my cousins all have a great day Smiles light the day Marge Massey http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/MyFamilyLinesGarcia

Hello all I do not know if anything might come of this but I have ran in to someone on the net from Baden Germany who is an amateur genealogist. They would like to know what town Martain Loy came from in Baden Anyone have any clues? Angela Loy

Hi Delores, I will have to search and see where I got the information on the death of Catherine, but i have one other question. Was there a John George Loy and also a John George Sharp? Do you have information on the John George Sharp? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Alpha ----- Original Message ----- From: Delores Rochelle Walls <Loy_Genealogy@att.net> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [LOY] Re: Loy Family > Alpha, > > What are your sources for Catherine (Foust) Loy's death year? > > Also, their son George was only married once. His wife was Catherine > Tillman. The "Mary" that people keep coming up with in their gedcoms (but > not able to document!) is probably from confusing it with Maria, first wife > of George Loy, son of John and Mary Holt Loy. This George and his brother > John Loy, Jr. were in the 1804 Stoner's Church records. This George md. #2 > to Nancy Ferguson in 1812. Some of their descendants have the middle name > Tillman prevalant in their male line, so it is possible that Maria's maiden > name was Tillman. It would also explain more of the confusion between both > George Loys! > > The fact that the Foust families in NC (who later went to OH, IN and so on) > seemed to keep the Foust spelling, I have spelled Catherine's surname as > "Foust" as well. > > Delores > > on 7/1/01 1:22 PM, Georgiamhh@aol.com at Georgiamhh@aol.com wrote: > > > Descendants of Martin Leeye Loy: > > > > 1 Martin Leeye Loy b: 1700 d: 1779 in Orange Co NC > > .. +Catherreny Faust b: 1722 in Orange Co., NC m: 1745 in Berks, PA > > d: 1750 in St. Asaph's Dist., Orange, NC bur Stoners Church Alamance NC > > .. 2 George Loy b: 1743 in Bucks Co., PA > > d: 1799 in Orange County, NC > > ...... +Mary Elizabeth Tilmon/ Tilghman ? > > d: in Orange County, North Carolina > > ...... 3 [1] Catherine Loy > > ...... 3 [8] Henry Loy > > ...... 3 [6] Jacob Loy > > ...... 3 [4] John Loy > > ...... 3 [2] Margaret Loy > > .......... +[3] U. Clapp > > ...... 3 [5] Rachel Loy > > ...... 3 [7] Sally Loy > > ...... 3 [9] William Loy > > > > .. *2nd Wife of George Loy: > > ...... +Mary Catherine Tilghman b: 1744 in Sumerset, Maryland m: > > 1768 in Bucks Co., PA d: 1834 in Loyston, Anderson Co., TN > > > > ...... 3 Elizabeth Loy b: July 1769 in Orange Co., NC > > d: in Madison Co., AL > > .......... +Nicholas MOSER b: June 1762 in Berks Co., PA > > m: 1788 in North Carolina d: 1822 in Madison Co., AL * * * > > > > ...... 3 [1] Catherine Loy > > ...... 3 [2] Margaret Loy > > .......... +[3] U. Clapp > > ...... 3 [4] John Loy > > ...... 3 [5] Rachel Loy > > ...... 3 [6] Jacob Loy > > ...... 3 [7] Sally Loy > > ...... 3 [8] Henry Loy > > ...... 3 [9] William Loy > > .. 2 Mary Loy b: 1745 > > ...... +George Faust (Note: I notice Faust & Foust ??) > > ================= > > * * * > > The next generation: Catherine Moser married John Harless (son of Henry > > Harless Sr. and g'son of Immigrant John Philip Harless from Billinghemin > > Rheinland, Germany in 1738) > > > > Regards, > > Georgia Hornbuckle > > Dallas, TX > > > >> Subj: Re: [LOY] Re: Loy Family > >> Date: 07/01/2001 8:03:59 PM !!!First Boot!!! > >> From: athormahlen@montana.net (athormahlen) > >> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:LOY-L@rootsweb.com">LOY-L@rootsweb.com</A> > >> To: LOY-L@rootsweb.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I would like to know more about the Loy Family that you are related to. The > >> one you mentioned below is also my line. Would like to exchange > >> information. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alpha > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <wuggie43@yahoo.com> > >> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:17 PM > >> Subject: [LOY] Re: Loy Family > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Hello sorry it took me awhile. > >>> If your Frederick and Elisabeth are the son and daughter-inlaw of John > >> George Loy or /ley of Frederick Maryland of 1733. from the ship Elisabeth. > >>> Then we are related. > >>> John George may have been Martin Loy older brother. who came over a year > >> later. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > > Please check out the LOY resource page at: > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/l/o/LOY/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > Questions? Please contact me at: Loy-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > >

Dear Delores: Thank you for the clarification and additional information (the Anna Maria Sharp information is particularly interesting and though there has been much discussion about her I appreciated getting it in summarized form). I always hope that someone has discovered a date of some kind that has not been found before or has been overooked. But I understand the state of affairs as you describe it. I also have nothing independent to suggest that Martin of North Carolina had a wife other than Catherine. My only point was that if based on the information provided in the post he would have had to have had one. And that would also coincide with the bit of information in the IGI from Germany saying that a Martin Loy about the right age married to an Anna Margaretha Fechter (b. Assenheim? married Bohl? Hassloch?, Heidelburg?, Pfalz January 6, 1730). However, this couple had children Emanuel (21 Nov 1737 Mussbach, Pfalz), Johan Jacob (4 Jul 1734 Mussbach, Pfalz) and Catharina (29 Aug 1730 Mussbach, Pfalz). None of these children show up in the new world apparently so that would lend credence to the position that this was not the same Martin. I have not checked to try to see if they stayed in Germany. However the records are from a type of IGI file where people located and recorded the names of people with the same surname in an area where it was knownn or thought their family had originated. Presence or absence of the names where the records have not been taken from complete parish recordds is not indicative. These partial records are different from the complete transcribed parish records which are also part of IGI (Batch numbers have a C a P or an M in front of them). The transcribed parish records tend to be much more complete. There were two Stephens in Virginia, one a Germanic Loy in Staunton, Augusta Cy and one a English Lay in Loudoun Cy. The descendants of the Loudoun Stephen have traced their family back to England apparnetly and the naming patterns are honestly not those of a first generation Geman inmmigrant family. I do not know if Stephen Loy of Staunton had children yet. His wife (from the documents) appears to have been a "Mary" although Chalkey (Scots Irish in Virginia) placed a parenthesis where "his wife" or a surname would normally appear. The placing in the document and the sort of document it appears in very strongly suggest that she was his wife. There was an old Swiss custom in certain cantosn of wives having their names recorded in records by their maiden names even after marriage but I have never heard of it being practiced in America and of course PA church records place the feminine gender ending "in" after surnames in womens names but I have never heard of the practice in colonial records. I suggested there might be two German Loys - say a father and son - in addition to Stephen Lay son of Abraham in Loudoun - because later records describe the German Stephen as being from Frederick Maryland (ie resident there) at that time (late 1860's). I suppose however that might mean that Stephen's tanning business in Staunton had collapsed or been terminated and he had gone back up to Frederick Maryland to try his hand anew at tanning or something else. Themain reason people did not backtrack up the Great Road was that the price of land increased as you went north into older settled areas. That might not be such a concern for a tanner, however. Catherine Loy appears as a "witness" (Test) which was a job normally reserved for men in those days. I may try to study the circumstances under which a woman in that day and place would be wanted to serve as or would want to serve as a witness to a deed. I could imagine her singing or putting a mark if that would serve to convince someone else who trusted her of the authenticity of what was being done. That is why I kind of lean toward her being Martin's wife or the wife of a Martin Loy anyway. Martin paid 230 pounds on behalf of Stephen on a purchase of 245 acres of land with the Breckenridges. Either Stephen did not have any money handy (as much trouble as he was in with his vendors from time to time that would not surprise me) or Martin owed him some money. Without seeing the actual Augusta Records which had more on Martin (they referred to "said Martin" at one point whn that was the first appearance of his name) it is impossible to tell but there is a high possibility that Martin had an interest in Stephen's property. That might explain Catherine's witnessing a deed between Stephen and others, though it is still little odd. Or she could be no connection to Stephen an/or Martin but that is extremely unlikely. For me also the repeated appearance of Martin with men named Sharp in the Virginia records is suggestive that he may be the same Martin as your ancestor. I think a great deal could be learned by searching the original Augusta records unedited by Chalkey (I assume they survived the Civil War unscathed). If Stephen was family and Martin did live in Virginia there should be court records or probate or whatever that might provide an additional fact or two. I quoted Chalkey (Scots Irish) directly. I only quote the Loy Family in America as a last resort when I canot find the primary records. In this case I found later to my chagrin that most of what I posted about Loys in Staunton was also quoted in full in the Loy Family in America (the quotes of Chalkey originating with you, Nellie Loy Whitmore or both I suppose) In closing I re-emphasize that I follow and agree with your conclusion that there is not enough evidence for a second wife of Martin Loy, whether Anna Margretha Fechter or anyone else, to suggest it at this time. I also acknowledge that if you have not found or heard of sound dates for the first generations, that I have no reason to believe there are any available just now. I hope that someone comes up with something from Martin's pre-North Carolina years because apparently Martin spent a relatively short portion of his life in North Carolina. Most of what he did was in other places, and I imagine there is much interesting to be learned. My main interest in wading in to the Martin Loy line -aside from the fact that the Martin Loy story appears likley to have been interesting ; has anyone ever looked to see where he and his sons stood on the matter of the Regulators? the Battle of Alamance (1771) must have been fought within walking distance of his home- as I said, the main other reason for interest is to try to find whether Stephen Loy left any descendants, or if either Martin or Stephen could have been related to other branches. There are supposed to be about 5 major branches of Loys who came in the mid 1700's but there are really probably twice that number. To really understand where all of the Loys we are searching for were and what they were doing, it is necessary to get a better idea of all the contemporaneous branches in that area. I can understand the frustration you must sometimes feel at what appears to be repeated dissemination of discredited or incorrect information (I am still struggling hopelessly with the incorrect Johan Heinrich Ley - Maria Elizabeth Kumpf story of the origins of the John Loy line of Frederick County Virginia for which there is not a shred of primary evidence anywhere so far). I hope I have managed to restate my thoughts in a way that does not lend further to confusion, but I really hope to see progress in research on Martin's middle years. Grady ----- Original Message ----- ??? : "Delores Rochelle Walls" <Loy_Genealogy@att.net> ?? : <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> ???? : Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:24 ?? : [LOY] Martin Loy in VA and everything else ;-) > Now time for my input: > > No one knows the birthdates of Martin, Catherine, or any of their children, > except for son John. The dates given have all been speculative. As far as > a marriage date for Martin and Catherine, none have been found, either. > Personally, I haven't found enough proof enough of there being any other > wife than Catherine, either. As far as variants in name spelling, another > personal view, is that Martin was a Loy upon arrival to America. His sons > went by "Loy" and their descendants went by the Loy spelling whenever they > personally got to sign their own names. It's when there was a transcriber > that the name was spelled any other way. A good example of this is people > have spelled my name as "Dolores, Deloris, Doloris, Dolorus," and about any > other way imaginable, but that doesn't mean I go by all these spellings. > > As far as George Loy's wife, it was Catherine Tillman. Mary Elizabeth > Tillman was Catherine's mother. Source: LDS baptism of Margaret (Loy) > Tillman in 1842, stating her mother was Catherine Loy and grandmother was > Mary Elizabeth Tillman. In this record, she also gives father as George Loy > and grandparents Martin and Catherine Loy. (Note it isn't Catherinney or > Leey) > > So, Grady, the part that interested you isn't really factual. The only fact > in this: > > > > 1 Martin Leeye Loy b: 1700 d: 1779 in Orange Co NC > > .. +Catherreny Faust b: 1722 in Orange Co., NC m: 1745 in Berks, PA > > d: 1750 in St. Asaph's Dist., Orange, NC bur Stoners Church Alamance NC > > .. 2 George Loy b: 1743 in Bucks Co., PA > > d: 1799 in Orange County, NC > > ...... +Mary Elizabeth Tilmon/ Tilghman ? > > d: in Orange County, North Carolina > > is that Martin's will was proven in 1779 Orange Co., NC, his wife was > Catherine Foust (this surname given by tradition, but there were many Foust > families in the area, so it is possible; regarding spelling of "Foust," > instead of "Faust," Foust was the way the families in NC spelled their > name), and that it is theorized they may have been buried in Stoner's > cemetery, which would be an unmarked grave, if so. Their son George Loy was > born before son John (b. 1747) but no year is known for George. Probably he > was born in PA, though, since John was. > > As far as quoting from Loy Family in America--I supplied a lot of info for > the book, but a lot was put in the book wrong from what I had submitted > (even to me being called "Deborah"). As for the transcriptions of Martin > listed in Augusta Co., VA records, the researcher should consult the > original source instead of relying on the transcription from Loy Family in > America. > > Martin Loy did go to Augusta Co., VA. This was first documented in the > 1950's (at least a published documentation) in the book "Know Your > Relatives," by Genevieve Peters. In this same book, it states that (around > 1900) a descendant of Martin's, Noah Loy, stated that Martin Loy had a > brother in law named Sharpe. Because of the Sharp families living in > Augusta Co., VA next to him, and that the mysterious Anna Marie (Loy) Sharp > lived in that area, I am inclined to theorize (and again, theorize) that she > may have been his sister. She had children born around the same generation > as Martin's children. Some have suggested she was the daughter Mary listed > in Martin's will. I don't believe this, not only because tradition has Mary > married to George Foust, but also that she was willed livestock. At that > time Anna Marie Loy wasn't living in North Carolina. (I think TN or still > in VA--one of her descendants could tell for sure, no doubt). Anyway, > without the modern transportation, it would have taken a long time to take > the cow and calf to her if she wasn't living in the immediate area. > > >From my research, the Steven Loy listed in all the VA records is the same > one. It has been suggested that the Catherine Loy mentioned in Stephen > Loy's records was Martin's wife Catherine. I would have to investigate this > more to state whether I agree or disagree with this theory. > > Delores

Joel: I also don't think Catherine would have died in 1750 and I think Delores post today adeptly handles the issue. I quoted that section (the dates etc) from an earlier post but keep forgetting to properly document when I send to the list which creates confusion. I was mainly interested in the statement that she and Martin married in Berks in 1745 which seems well within the realm of possibility but again as Delores says there is apparently no proof and there is still a possibility that there was some mixup of the two Pennsylvania Martin Loys or a mixup of Bucks and Berks. If Martin Loy were ever proven to have been in Berks that would be interesting though what if anything it would imply would depend on where and when. What I was really trying to do was to see what could be found in that post that was new or interesting and also to emphasize that Martin appears (to me) to have not stayed in Pennsylvania long but moved, possibly to Maryland and Virginia on his way to North Carolina. Also that there is at least some ividence that the Martin in Virginia, whether he be te one who eventually settled in North Carolina or not, appears to have had a relative Stephen or Steven who was apparently a Palatine (he was Naturalized at Staunton), a tanner and fairly litigious and about who relatively little research has as yet been done. My foray in the the Martin Loy history stems from the fact that there is so little primary historical in the first generation of any one Loy branch (with the possible exception of that of John George of Maryland) that I have come to the conclusion that is probably necessary to look at them all and hope to find correlation of some kind. I regret the way the posting was not clear and hope I did not lead to confusion. The Virginia information is taken direct from a transcription of Chalkey's and, aside from the fact that he apparently cut pieces from the general record, should be accurate. It is clear in at least one case that there was more on the Martin Loy who lived in Virginia but that to get it one must peruse the original records. Grady ----- Original Message ----- ??? : "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss@mindspring.com> ?? : <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> ???? : Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:58 ?? : Re: [LOY] Re: Loy Family > Grady, > > Thanks for the wonderful post. It contained much information I didn't > have. I do have a question though. You stated that Catherreny Faust died > 1750, however Martin's will dated 15 Jul 1777 states > > "...to my beloved wife Catheriney, I give all my moveable estate during her > widowhood and to live on the place, and after her decease the land and > plantation beongs to my son Henry Loy....." > > Did Martin have two wives named Catherine or is the 1750 death date you > have in error? > > Joel > > At 03:29 PM 7/7/2001, you wrote: > >I am still on and was thiunking of writing you about a post a few days ago. > >My address is changed > > > >rgcatron@polka.plala.or.jp > > > >Since I am writing I wanted to ask about the early information for Martin > >Loy. One particulzr thing that interested me was the following part - > >: > > > > 1 Martin Leeye Loy b: 1700 d: 1779 in Orange Co NC > >.. +Catherreny Faust b: 1722 in Orange Co., NC m: 1745 in Berks, PA > >d: 1750 in St. Asaph's Dist., Orange, NC bur Stoners Church Alamance NC > >.. 2 George Loy b: 1743 in Bucks Co., PA > > d: 1799 in Orange County, NC > >...... +Mary Elizabeth Tilmon/ Tilghman ? > > d: in Orange County, North Carolina > > > >Caherreny Faust probably was not born Orange County 1722 but if the person > >compiling her records did not know otherwise they might in fairness say she > >was of Orange County. Orange County was settled by Germans, Scotch Irish > >and English largely coming down from Maryland (Most of the Germans entered > >the US Pennsylvania ca 1725 - 1765 and migrated through Frederick MD, the > >Great Valley (Shenendoah) and on into North Carolina. An important eevent > >in 1761 seems to have been that Lord Granville was parcelling out land. > >There was probably not that much settlement before that though there was in > >Western North Carolina generally, probably from the early 1750's and largely > >Scotch Irish. > > > >Given her date of birth and that her family were apparently at Stoner's > >church, I think it is a fair bet to say she was born in Germany. I don't > >think she was on the ship with Martin as I did not see any Fausts (could be > >wrong) and it seems clear some of her people were settled with the Loys down > >at Stoner. Again, they could have been on a different ship but it is also > >highly probable that Martin met and married her on this side. It has been > >mentioned here and there that there was a Martin Laye in Heidelburg the > >right age and etc who had a different wife(again her name and marriage date > >are known but I do not have them before me). Maybe Catherine was Martin's > >second wife. That would explain the birth of some sons before the marriage > >date. > > > >The marriage of Catherine to Martin in 1745 in Berks seems as if it could be > >right. That was a big jumping off place for the travelers down the great > >road. I had not heard it before. I have always wondered about the > >identification of Bucks County because people from there tended to head up > >into Western PA and on into Ohio. I have often wondered if there was not > >confusion with a later Martin Loy who was known to have lived in Bucks and > >migrated to Western PA. However, it is interesting that two brother's in > >law from the Goshenhoppen Church in Montgomery (J. Philip Emmert and George > >I forget at the moment) were on the St. Mark with Martin Loy in 1741. They > >lived in Bucks (there is an area where Bersk, Montgomery Bucks and Lehigh > >all share corners) went to church in Motgomery and eventually settled in > >Berks so that was actually an acceptable migration pattern. > > > >George's birth in 1743 would seem to suggest that the other wife lived at > >least to that point. I could be wrong but 1750 looks a little early for her > >death given that she was buried in St Asaph's District at the Stoner Church. > >Shew should have been alive at least as late as 1769. I do not have an > >alternative date however unless one of the Martin Loy researchers knows > >something about this. > > > >Also I have the following from the old Court Records of Augusta County > >(Scotch Irish Records) unless othewrwise stated these refer to Augusta > >County Virginia. Specifically Staunton. The Loy Family in Ameria has man > >of these same records (as transcribed by Nellie Loy Whitmore) though the > >analysis of the family in that book seems to confuse 2 or perhaps three > >distinct Stephen Loys, 1 English and 1 (or 2) German. > > > >"2d February, 1754. Patton to Augustine, Henry and Daniel Price, 1130 acres > >on Tom's Creek, a branch of New River. Cor. Jacob Lorton, line of John > >Adams' land.......2d February, 1754. Same to Martin Loy, 230 acres on Tom's > >Creek. Cor. George Sharp's land." The Loy Family In America says Tom's > >Creek is in Virginia and I think it is near Stauntonm[GEL]. > > > >"10th February, 1754. Same to Casper Barrier, 507 acres on Tom's Creek as > >above. Cor. Wm. Ingles. Lepard's line; Martin Loy's line." > > > >"17th February, 1758. Colonel James Patton's estate; appraised by Thomas > >Stewart, John Ramsey, Edward Hall. List of bonds, bills, &c., due the > >estate: James Wiley's, 3rd May, 1754; Wm. Leppard's, 15th February, 1753; > >John Die and Wm. Leppard's, 2nd February, 1754; William Byers, 15th > >February, 1754; Ernest Sharp, John Sharp and Martin Loy" > > > >Elizabeth Crawford vs. Stephen Loy.--Attachment, 17th April, 1763. Stephen > >Loy, of Frederick Town, in Maryland, to Thomas Fulton. Bond 25th March, > >1762. > > > >Ro. Breckinridge vs. Stephen Loy.--Defendant's bond, dated 21st May, 1762, > >from Manochissie [Frederick Cy MD GEL] > > > >"Page 383.--21st August, 1765. Robert Breckenridge and Lettice to Stephen > >Loy. ?230 (paid by said Martin Loy), 245 acres in Beverley Manor conveyed to > >Robert. 17th May, 1749." I do not know what said means because the editor > >did not quote the entire document. - I think Beverly MAnor might be up in > >Frederick but am not sure. Anyway, MArtin is offsetting some obligation he > >has to Stephen [GEL] > > > >"Page 271.--24th February, 1770. Stephen Loy, tanner, to Sampson and Geo. > >Mathews, ?45, negro slave, condition that Stephen Loy and Doctor John > >Watkins on 20th February, 1769, executed a bond to S. and G. Mathews > >for ?60; now if Stephen make payment. Teste: William Robertson and Cathorine > >Loy." > > > >"Page 519.--23d June, 1770. Stephen Loy and Mary ( ) to William > >Bowyer, ?150, 245 acres whereon Stephen now lives, which he purchased of > >Robert Breckinridge and joining Alexander McClenachan, Andrew Scott. Robert > >McClenachan, David Stuart and Elisha McClenachan. Teste: G. Jones, Lew > >Bowyer, Wm. Madison, Michael Bowyer. [p.504]" > > > >Stephen's wife was apparently Mary so who was Cathorine Loy? A daughter or a > >sister in law? The latter might make a better witness. > > > >My guess is that prior to 1754, Stephen and Martin loy were in Frederick Cy. > >About 1754 they moved to Staunton with Martin at Tom's Creek and Martin went > >on to Orange County some time in the 1760's. Stephen got involved in > >lawsuits for some supplies he was buying for his tanning business and may > >have moved back to Maryland. The records are suggestive but not entirely > >clear. Stephen was a German and not English as is attested by his > >naturalization in Staunton in 1754. I do not know why Martin's does not > >appear except that the editor of the Scots Irish in Virginia tended to > >expunge materials he thought were entirely German in Content. > > > >The presence of Stephen and Martin Loy near Thurmont and Frederick MD where > >John George Loy was settled may suggest a reltaionship between them as well > >though I have not seen the connection as I have with Martin & Stephen. This > >is a very confused area. However, there were not that many German born > >Martin Loys the right age in America then and given the ties between the > >Loys and Sharps in North Carolina I think it interestting that the name > >Martin Loy in Virginia is usually associated with one or more people of the > >name Sharp. > > > >Grady > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >??? : <Georgiamhh@aol.com> > >?? : <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> > >???? : Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:15 > >?? : Re: [LOY] Re: Loy Family > > > > > > > Does Roger Loy in Tokyo, Japan, still belong to this list? > > > > > > I upgraded and lost all of my favorites and address list. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Georgia Hornbuckle > > > GeorgiaMHH@aol.com > > > > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > > > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > > > Questions? 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To answer your question posed below about "Loy's Shop" near Draper's Meadow in western Virginia, I submit the folowing. On September 5, 1738 the ship "Winter Galley" arrived in Philadelphia with German immigrants who settled the area around Draper's Meadow and the general area was called the "German New River Settlement." Among the passengers on the ship who went to this area was Stephen Lang and Philip Harless. On April 3, 1877, Floyd and Joseph Long, descendants of Stephen Lang, bought two acres of land from Allen Harless, a descendant of Philip Harless, and built a blacksmith and cabinet shop. This area became known as Long's shop then Longshop. A village grew up around their shop and flourished for a time, but gave way to progress and dwindled to only a few houses. The name of the village is on current maps of Virginia. Most of this is from "The Story of Long Shop 1877 - 1970" by Aliice McMahon, printed in "The News Messenger" on April 30, 1970. I am not certain which Virginia town is the home of The News Messenger. Could this be the :"Loy's Shop" that you refer to? Of course, it is entirely possible there was a "Loy's Shop" AND a "Long's Shop." At any rate, here is the information that I have about it and pass on to you. Jack Shell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delores Rochelle Walls" <Loy_Genealogy@att.net> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:37 AM Subject: [LOY] The Stephen Loys > There is one thing maybe someone could clarify for me, if known, regarding > the Loys in Virginia. Has anyone found actual documentation of a place > being called "Loy's Shop" in Virginia? Ruby Johnson, a great-great > granddaughter of Martin Luther Loy, of the Adair Co., KY Loys, had mentioned > in her Loy records "Kegley's Virginia Frontiers, pg. 126, 7 lines from > bottom, purchase of Draper Tract in Mau [I think her typo of "May"--DRW] > 1750 Martin Loy, 230 acres on Tom's Creek. Martin established himself in the > upper Shenandoah Valley at 'Loy's Shop' now Burlington, Augusta Co., VA." > I'm wondering if she got confused with Burlington, Alamance Co., NC?? Does > anyone know if there was ever a "Loy's Shop" there? >

Jack & Virginia, Thanks for the suggestion. This morning I got an email from Angela Loy (she's my "Gopher" as far as finding Loy related sites ;-) She found this site regarding Loy's Shop in Alamance Co., NC from an 1895 map. <http://www.livgenmi.com/atncl.htm> But since you give Long's Shop as in the Draper's Meadow area, I wouldn't be surprised if an Ruby Johnson--not from the Carolinas to know the difference--had heard of both "Loy's Shop" and "Long's Shop" and confused the one in North Carolina as being in Virginia. One interesting note: Martin's granddaughter Elizabeth (Loy) Moser's daughter Catherine Moser md. John W. Harless (1786 VA‹30 October 1857 Madison Co., AL) s/o Henry [Sr.] and Charity Harless. Though I'm not researching the Harless family prior to the marriage to Catherine, it would be interesting to know if Henry Harless was any kin to Allen, the fact both families were from VA. DRW

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