HI MARK . LOOK AT MY SITE BELOW , there is loy data , MINE IS george loy who married , LOUISA SHATTUCK . THE SITE BELOW IS MY FAMILY TREE. i live in arizona not far from you, have a great day Smiles light the day Marge Massey http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/MyFamilyLinesGarcia

I am connectted to the HANS JURIGH LEY ( lOY ) branch of the loy family , And have some data on site below , of my loy lines , and other liines, If any one is interested, They need to print it off, I plan to remove it at a furture date, as I will be quitting research , Every one have a great day Smiles light the day Marge Massey http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/Familytreeof http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/doc http://community.webtv.net/margemassey/MyFamilyLinesGarcia

Hi Loy researchers! Just wanted to let you all know of a recent trip I took to Missouri to see my son graduate from the Army's basic training. We decided to drive out even before the disaster hit because mapquest said it was only a 15 hour drive from our house here in Maryland. Anyway, St. Louis was so beautiful just passing by it. But the reason I wrote you about the trip is that I just wanted to say that 15 hours. even broken up by a night's stay, is so long that it prompted me to wonder what on earth would prompt our ancestors to travel even from PA, MD, NC, VA or any state on the east coast to the midwest and sooooooo far from relatives back east. By modern car it is so far anyway. But by horse and wagon, I can't even imagine why they made such a trek. And some even returned to the east to live. Some may have even returned once more to the west, as Grady's last note seemed to indicate. I thought, could they have been really mad at relatives back east and wanted to get as far away as possible? But of course my husband would say that I am just displaying my negative ways again as usual. It is just that my husband and I are sooooo close to family here and especially to our boys, that I can't even imagine wanting to live so far away from them in times when they did not even have the speed of transportation that we have today. One more thing. We stayed in Indiana I think the last night we stayed over on the way there, We went to Fort LeonardWood, Mo. I always like to look up Loy's in phone books in hotel rooms. It must have been on the eastern border of Indiana that we stayed because the phone book included the Indianapolis area. There was an Angela Loy in the phone book. I almost called but did not think it was our Angela as I believe she lives in Iowa, right Angela? Anyway it was either late at night or after work hours the next morning when I thought of calling, none of which would work out anyway. One last thing about our trip and them I will stop boring you folks. On the way home we stopped off at the site of the plane crash of Flight 93 in Shanksville, PA, as it was just 9 miles off our route. While we were there, you couldn't get too near the site unless you wanted to walk 1/2 mile across a field, and then it was fenced off, an off duty policeman was there and informed us that he was on duty in the area the day it hit. He said a man was operating a huge crane in a nearby field and related to him that the plane came in from the east and was headed westbound, made a sharp turn back east, at some point became inverted and then dove nose down into the crash site. There was debris strewn far into the neighboring pine forest and even up into a barn on a farm anbout a mile away on a hill overlooking the site. At one entrance to the area a policeman stands guard. At that entrance there are numerous flags. written banners, signs, pictures, etc. etc. collaged into one huge memorial. Then there are bundles of hay in the middle of the field off to the left with a flag draped across the front and more artifacts left as memorials. If anyone is interested send me your email address and I can scan pictures I took of the site and or St. Louis and send them to you. Tell me your picture preference. By now! Whew I had alot of mail to read on the Loys! But that is great! For a while there I thought the mail list was extinct. ( I know, not funny, but hey, I couldn't think of a better word).

Thanks so much Grady! This amy help me alot in my search to tie loose ends!

Hmmm! This particular correspondence prompts me to look more closely at the possibility that my line just may descend from these Alamance Co. NC Loy's. The reason I say that is because my line contains several Joseph's, Franklin's and William's, I believe. I am the researcher who is tracing the Loy's in the Leesburg, Va area. Thanks all!

Dear Frank: Are you related to Daniel through Jacob? I have always wanted to be able to talk to one of our branch who stayed in Ohio. By the way, we now have a lot on the Muhlschalgels and their people. Grady ----- Original Message ----- ??? : <FrankSense@aol.com> ?? : <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> ???? : Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:45 ?? : Re: [LOY] Re: Sam Loy, Loy Butte, Loy Canyon > Well, I had vacationed in Sedona last year and happened to run across Loy > Butte. I took my picture in front of it with the sign indicating the name. > I jested that I was related to that Loy, not knowing a thing about how it was > named. > > Well, I am related to Samuel Loy. Your information was great! So, thanks > Grady, for the information. It was great reading and really clinched that I > was related when you mentioned Daniel Loy and Christina Muhlschlagel. > > Frank Loy > Fairborn, Ohio > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > To subscribe to Digest Mode, please UNSUBSCRIBE from LOY-L and > send "Subscribe" to LOY-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Yes Grady, I am related through Jacob (1782-1900), son of Daniel. My ancestors come from Hiram Loy, son of Jacob. Glad to meet you. ;p) I don't really have much info on the Muhlslagels since I haven't done much searching in that direction. As for being from Ohio? Nope, I live there now, but am related through Macomb, Illinois Loys. Lots of Loys in the phone book though. I haven't been able to get any direct connections to my ancestors from the Ohio bunch but there are a few that are in some nearby cemeteries.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Eex.2ACIB/1.258 Message Board Post: Please contact me via ronloy@earthlink.net

Well, I had vacationed in Sedona last year and happened to run across Loy Butte. I took my picture in front of it with the sign indicating the name. I jested that I was related to that Loy, not knowing a thing about how it was named. Well, I am related to Samuel Loy. Your information was great! So, thanks Grady, for the information. It was great reading and really clinched that I was related when you mentioned Daniel Loy and Christina Muhlschlagel. Frank Loy Fairborn, Ohio

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eex.2ACIB/329.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for more info on a Gabriel LOY, born in Germany and enlisted in the Civil War in 1861 FROM Indiana (Indianapolis). After a medical discharge he moved to Wisconsin and married my gr gr grandmother. Have you ever, by chance, come across this Gabriel LOY from Indiana? Thank you, Beth Arnott.

for Teddy Noye and Ron Loy and any one else researching Jacob Loy born circa 1775. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/5223/frederick.html is the site of my cousin, Bill Loy. It has this: 7. GEORGE FREDERICK 2 LOY (JOHN GEORGE 1, PETER??A) was born August 11, 1751 in Frederick County, Maryland, and died April 1831 in Frederick County, Maryland. He married LOUISA GIESEN July 21, 1773 in Frederick County Maryland, daughter of CONRAD GIESEN. Children of GEORGE LOY and LOUISA GIESEN are: 12. i. FREDERICK 3 LOY, b. Bet. 1770 - 1773, Frederick County, Maryland; d. Bet. 1830 - 1840, Morrow Co., Ohio. (my great-great-grandfather) ii. ELIZABETH LOY, b. May 25, 1774; m. HENRY PROTZMAN, December 02, 1800, Frederick County Maryland. iii. MARIA MAGDALENA LOY, b. May 25, 1775. iv. JACOB LOY, b. April 11, 1776; m. ELIZABETH OVALMAN. (Is this your line?) v. GEORGE LOY, b. December 14, 1777; m. LOUISA SHADDOCK. vi. HENRY LOY, b. 1790; d. 1833, Troy, Ohio. vii. LOUISA LOY, b. 1800; m. JOHN BIERLEY. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tnoye@aol.com> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:51 AM

Hi Grady, What a fascinating story. I am a Loy descendent but from a different line that came to the US from Baden-Baden Germany in 1733. We used to live in Flagstaff and so I am familiar with Loy Butte and Loy Canyon and always wondered about the Loy family they were named after. My mother who is 93 lived in Sedona and I will tell her you story, I know she will enjoy it. Thanks for the great information. Barb Marsh in Pollock Pines, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOY, SINNETT, SLANE, LINDEMANN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Eex.2ACIB/239.1 Message Board Post: Dear Bob: Samuel Loy was my great great grandfather. He settled in the Verde Valley in 1876 after coming there over the Santa Fe Trail and whatever passed as an extension of that trail into Prescott at that time. The Verde Valley first began to open to large numbers of settlers in 1875 and 1876 as a result I suspect of General Crook's success in the Apache Wars just prior to that. Before the Apache left for the White Mountains over Crooks Trail (now paved south of Camp Verde) there had been a small community of settlers at Camp Verde in the shadow of the walls of Fort Verde and there was a rough road up Rattlesnake Canyon where I-17 climbs the rim that if you followed it far enough would get you to Santa Fe. General Crook's success did not remove all of the Apache from the area as there were former scouts and whatever remained of the iindiginous people the Apache had all but wiped out and they remained in the Valley. Quite a few of the Apache also retunred over the years and now ! live largely along the Verde. Samuel Loy with his wife (Jane), and children (James, John, William, Mary and Harriet) settled and farmed north of Camp Verde in what is now called Middle Verde (Just a mile or two north of I-17 as it crosses the Verde River) This area and Cottonwood another four miles further north were largely settled by people moving on from central Missouri although there were some other places including exotic points of origin like that of the Munds (Oregon) and the people of the growing copper mining camp of Jerome who as often as not had corssed one ocean or another to get there. At that time, there was a small rush to mine gold in the Black Hills behind Jerome and Samuel and his sons in addition to farming, ran a small business hauling hay and other supplies to Fort Verde and perhaps to the miners. In those days, the Verde River and Oak Creek were rather swampy with pools and areas of standing water along the streams. The mosquitos responsible for malaria were not uncommon and Jane Loy at some point contracted malaria which eventually (1896) killed her. I do not know if anyone remembers whether that was the reason but sometime around the late 1870's or early 1880's Samuel and his family began to spend summers far from Middle Verde or Lower Oak Creek (now Cornville where son William had set up) and began to homestead small farms where they stayed in summer to escape the heat and perhaps what they considered bad health conditions. I have heard they stayed near the Thompson settlement in Indian Gardens Oak Creek Canyon and perhaps other places. At some time early in the 1880's Samuel set up a small place just to the east of what is now Loy Butte at what is now called the Hancock Ranch (or was when last I drove by some years ago). There was a spring nearby that appare! ntly the Indians had used in centuries past and the area was fairly heavily populated with abandoned Pueblo Dwellings from the period when the Sinagua, Anasazi, Hohokam and Mogollon cultures flourished (don't quote me, they probably did not all flourish at just the same time). The area beyond Boynton Canyon (betwen Sedona and Loy Canyon) is still largely federal land except for one or two small ranches or developments and it was extrememly isolated in those days. There were quite a few more bears than people along that part of the rim. It is said that the rough pioneer lifestyle they engaged in in the summer ruined at least one marriage of Samuel's son James who had become a lawyer and been chosen county attorney. His wife was aparently not of a pioneering disposition. Samuel was already not a young man when he came to Arizona and in a few years he tired of roughing it and sold the place and went to live with his son William (my great great grandfather). The custom of spending sumnmers in the cooler high country continued to my day but for a different reason. Samuel's youngest daughter Harriet married James Munds who set up a ranch at Munds Park (across from Pinewood on I-17 15 miles south of Flagstaff) Munds shot and killed himself accidentally in the 1890's sometime when he tried to pick up a rifle without dismounting after he had opened the gate to the yard at his ranch. I think it was a head wound and would not have made much difference anyway but the next door neighbor, Dr. Myron Carrier was at Oak Creek and it took him many hours to arrive too late to do any good. Harriet survived James by about 50 years and her brother John Loy settled at Munds Park (6300 feet up in the mountains) and raised potatoes and other things (largely th! ey say to supply the stills of the miners at Jerome with raw materials). He began to run a few cattle on the side. He also got together with George Babbitt who was a forbear of the recent secretary of the Interior and built the Schnebly Hill road down the cliff (so he could get his produce to Jerome. Schnebly Hill itself was named for the old postmaster of Sedona who had a car and would drive people up the road to about what is called Bear Wallow where they could get spectacular views of the towering cliffs - it is the same road today so you still can. Bear Wallow was so named because Dr. Carrier was said to have shot a bear there- The postmaster's wife was named Sedona - a variant of "Sidonia" a name favored by the Germans and Swiss of some parts as is attested by the fact that her son Ellsworth told me it was properly pronounced "Seedona" and not "Sehdona". Anyway, pronunication aside, the town was named for her, the hill for him, Munds Park for James Munds and John L! oy, apparently a modest sort, contented himself with raising and selling his potatoes) After John and Harriet died, some of Harriet's heirs sold Munds Park and it was owned by a rancher until my grandfather and great uncle (William sons Edward and Lindsay who were already ranchers at a place called Robbers Roost - named after prior occupants) bought it back in the 1950's since which time we ranched at one level or another until the 1990's. In spring we would round the cattle up starting at Red Rock Crossing south of Sedona where they wintered and move them to Munds Park. One or two of the buidlings in which Samuel lived and worked in his last years remain at Cornville but the family never really went back to Loy Canyon or Loy Butte. You can get there now by jeep tour from Sedona fairly easily though there is nothing that I know of from the Loy era to see. Samuel Loy himself was born in Hampshire County Virginia (now West Virginia) in 1821 son of Jacob (1786-1876) and Mary Slane Loy. Jacob moved soon after to Columbus Ohio where he farmed. Jacobs eldest son James Loy had moved to Missouri by the 1840's where he was a cooper in Glasgow on the Missouri River (I assume he was making barrels for the flat boats that went up and down that river to the Mississippi). Samuel Loy joined the Gold Rush and lived in California for 2 or 3 years and it is likley that he was with James in Missouri when he set out for reasons I will mention. He made it to California without any trouble but found that he was better suited to farming than mining so he raised food to feed the miners and aparently in 2 years did quite well. It is said that he bought passage back around the Cape Horn to New York and came back - somehwere I heard by train -to Ohio to see his father and mother. He then went back to Glasgow Missouri where he married Jane Sinnet! t of neighboring Chariton. That is why I think he may have been living there before. They crossed the Missouri River to Saline County and apparently raised horses and farmed tobacco in Cambridge twp from 1854-1876. Samuel was briefly a slave owner and his slaves appear to have been slaves that were originally with the Sinnetts and followed Jane when she married. Family legend has it that Samuel released the slaves when Lincoln said they should be released because though he was a slave holder he was pro-union. Then some of the slaves came back after a period and worked the farm anyway. In any case, in 1876 things were not working out and with the death of at least one of his parents in Ohio and hard times in Missouri, he collected his horses and took the family to Arizona as I related above. Jacob Loy, Samuel's father, was son of Daniel Loy of Hampshire County Virginia. Daniel Loy was born in Brecknock Twp Berks Cy Pennsylvania son of Johannes Ley (John Loy in English language records) and Maria Elizabetha (almost certainly Maria Elizabetha Lindemann). John Loy and his family settled in Frederick County Virginia in about 1774. Daniel married Christina Muhlschlagel, daughter of a German immigrant schoolteacher, and moved to join that family in Hampshire County in about 1790. Both Maria Elizabetha and Johannes Ley came to America on the Loyal Judith in November 1741 and appear to have lived for a while in Germantown where Maria's father probablky plied his old trade as a weaver. It is probable that Johannes was indentured to Maria's father Justus inasmuch as the couple surfaces 8 years after their arrival in America in Brecknock's Twp judging by the date of their first daughter's birth they had been married about a year. Seven years was a fairly standard term for indenture for passage and among Gemans apparently marriage of the indenturer's daughter to the indenturee was not uncommon. The proof of this relationship is circusmtantial at present (Justus Lindemann had a daughter Maria Elizabetha born the right year whose marriage to another person has never been found and Maria Elizabetha Loy and a known Lindemann daughter, Catherine, provided each other with the largest number of cross sponsorships at each other's children's christenings in Brec! knock Twp which is a strong indication of a sibling or other close relationship.) Mary Slane wasdaughter of James Slane (descendant of a Scotch Irish immigrant who appears to have been more Irish than Scot) and Margaret Largent whose forbears were Huguenaut. Jane Sinnett's mother, Mary Kile, was a Pennsylvania German and her father, William Sinnett, was half German and half Irish (His father Patrick Sinnett - married Catherine Hevener- was a member of a unit called the Kings Waiters in Dublin, Ireland -whatever that was- and he stowed away aboard a ship and was indentured to a nice Swiss born farmer in the wilds of West Virginia on his arrival. He was conscripted to fight in Lord Dunmore's war against the Indians in the Ohio valley in 1774 and served under George Washington at Yorktown in 1781 - regarding which, in his pension application he claimed to have fired the last fatal shot against the English before the cessation of hostilities at the surrender.) I suspect that is more than you ever wanted to know about Sam Loy who pioneered the Sedona, Arizona, area but there it is. Best Regards Grady Loy Yokohama Japan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOY, BECKETT Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Eex.2ACIB/330 Message Board Post: Hi folks, Searching for a Jacob Loy Sr., born about 1775. Son Jacob Jr. was born 1805 in Maryland (possibly Frederick county). Jacob senior arrived in Belmont county, Ohio prior to 1808. Jacob junior married Elizabeth Beckett in 1827 in Belmont county, Ohio. It appears some of Jacob senior's children were Jacob jr., Adam, George, and Daniel, all of Belmont county, Ohio. Jacob sr. disappears from census after 1830, by 1840 all the above listed sons have appeared. Any leads or direction would be much appreciated. Thanks! Teddy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Eex.2ACIB/23.46.133.238.1 Message Board Post: Hello Mr. Loy, We are researching the Loys from Frederick county, MD, in searchof a Jacob Loy born circa 1775 who had a son, Jacob Jr., junior being born 1805 in Maryland. Sr. was in Belmont county, Ohio by 1808. Junior married Elizabeth Beckett in 1827 in Belmont county, OH. Have you come across these Loys please? Thanks, Teddy Noye and Ron Loy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Loy, Beach, Starkey, Lane, Jackson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eex.2ACIB/329 Message Board Post: Am searching for ancestors and information of my great-grandfather John A. Loy b.10-5-1869 and d.3-16-1919 buried in Ripley County, Indiana. I don't know his wife's name or information about her. They had four daughters: Bessie Cecil Loy Beach (my grandmother); Minnie Loy who married an Edgar Starkey; and Inez Loy who married a John Lane; and Goldie Loy who married a Jackson. They lived for a time around Holton, Ripley County, Indiana. I'd appreciate any information I can get. Thank you.

Delores, HI. sorry I haven't got back to you in a while. We have just added another Loy to the long list of Loy's. Kaitlyn Layne was born May 1st. Well on to the good stuff. This is what I have come up with over the past few months. Kaitlyn Lane d/o Travis Lane and Charlotte Marie Bennett Loy, s/o Fred Lane Loy Jr. s/o Fred Lane Loy Sr. s/o Charley Lane Loy,s/o Rankin Loy. Rankin had 6 children Banks,Lacy,Cicero , Milo , Charley , And Daisy. This is what I have found out about Rankin and his children. Rankin was married to Francies C. Loy . He ran a grist mill in what is now Gibsonville NC (Guilford).He and his wife are burried at Friedens Church cemetery which is north of Gibsonville on Hwy 61 . Rankins marker stone (smaller on at foot of grave) reads JRL? He was born 1861 and died 1930. His wife 1851 to 1945. Lacy G. Loy is also buried at Friedens church with his wife Florence W. Loy. Lacy was born April 20 1885 and died Jan 15 1972. Lacy's daughter was a Myrtle Loy Troxler? Banks is nowhere to be found. I do know that he may have had a pilots. license. He may have started what was or is now Lindley Mills. Daisy's first child was born out of wedlock. She had a son that was a preacher. She was married to a Sam or Samuel Greason. Charley Lane Loy was married to a Nellie? He worked for CP&l power co. and she worked for the telephone co. Charley is buried in Fayetteville NC on 401 north in front of the Vets hospital. You mentioned a Peter in an earlier email . I asked my Father about him and he has never heard of him. Could Peter and Milo be the same person?????. There are some more Loy's buried at Friedens but I am unable to make the connections. Also , sorry for some of the spelling......long night last night!!! Thanks Travis Loy PS. You can reach me also at the following email addresses Duke3nc@yahoo.com , And FDNYfirebuff@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Delores Rochelle Walls <Loy_Genealogy@att.net> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: [LOY] Lacy Loy > Travis, could you send me a cc of the info? I just had the "bones" of info > you gave me before about your Rankin Loy family. I gather you do know there > were two Lacy Loys? One was Rankin's son Lacy Graham Loy (1885-1972) and > the other was William Arthur Loy's son Lacy Loy (1901-1974). They were > cousins, of course. > > Lacy Graham Loy's line goes: "Mysterious George"--George Loy, Jr--Jacob > Loy--Rankin Loy--Lacy Graham Loy. That is the one you would know, being > your grandfather's uncle. > > The other Lacy Loy is: > "Mysterious George"--George Loy, Jr.--Joseph Loy--William Arthur Loy--Lacy > Loy. > > By the way, Dave corrected me that I had record of the "wrong husband" of > Bertha (Loy) Kernodle. Her husband was Walter Kernodle--first cousin to > Charles, who happened to marry a Bertha the same age as Bertha Loy! When > I'd tried to find them in the 1920 census, I'd found the wrong Bertha. > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > Questions? Please contact me at: Loy-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

While we're on the subject of "Mysterious George Loy's" branch, I'll share my current "search" in hope someone may stumble across any of these Byrnes or Sharps in their own searches.... Two Loy women that I haven't been able to place in the "pre-Alamance" Orange Co., NC Loys have been from the marriage bonds of Sally Loy to William Sharp 19 March 1837 (Bondsman: Reuben Ingle Witness: Michl Holt), and of George W. Burnes who had a bond of marriage 27 June 1846 to Elizabeth L*e*oy. I find this family really tangled, the further I go. I've a feeling George W. Burnes is the same George W. Burnes who is in the 1860 census index for Iron Co., MO. Arcadia Twp. Pg. 649. I haven't been able to see the actual schedule, but found the index online. He could possibly be the same George Byrnes who is in 1850 St. Louis Co., St. Louis 3rd Ward pg. 404 as well. George is probably some close relation to Alfred Byrnes who was bondsman for Mysterious George's son George and wife Nancy Byrnes' marriage. Also, Alfred's wife Naomi was sister to the wives of mysterious George's sons Henry and Jacob. If that's not enough tangling, while researching that "second" Yancy Loy (b. 1828/30 NC) in Clinton Co., MO after 1860 (and Caldwell Co., MO 1850), I found the land record of Alfred Loy (son of Martin's son George's son Henry) in Caldwell Co. 1837 and the 1847 estate record of a deceased John Loy in Clinton Co., whose will was exec. by William Sharp. I checked the 1850 census and the Clinton Co., MO marriages and found this William had apparent second wife Nancy Ann, so perhaps this was Sally's husband and she died in MO before 1842? The 1850 census Clinton Co., MO William Sharp was age 33, born NC (= b. 1817) md. (#2) 3 July 1842 (Clinton Co., MO) Nancy Ann Roberts (= b. 1829 or 1821?) age 21 (or 28? hard to read) born NC with son Joel Sharp 12, Eli 9, Anderson (?) 6 and William 5. For Joel to have been born ca. 1838, and Eli to be born ca. 1841, this would be the right age for children by Sally. Tonight I was looking through the 1860 census of Union Co., TN for the umpteenth time, reviewing mysterious George Loy's son Jacob's son Jacob's household in 6th District. In 8th district were descendants of Martin's son George Loy. In 7th district was Henry Loy, son of mysterious George. This time I noticed that next household to Jacob was a Jacob and Sall*e*y Sharp, with Nancy Mann, age 65, in their household. Nancy Mann's son Paschal Mann was son-in-law to above Henry Loy. Nancy Mann was a Holt before marriage. Mysterious George Loy's mother was Mary Holt before she married John Loy. And Michael Holt was the witness of the marriage of William Sharp and Sally Loy of Orange Co., NC. And I found quite a few Holts in Clinton Co., MO. By the way, I did a checkup on the Reuben Ingle that was bondsman to Sally Loy and William Sharp. I found an Guilford Co., NC marriage of a Reuben Ingle to a Milley Low. It could really be "Low," but I couldn't help but notice it's only one letter off from being Loy. Delores

Travis, could you send me a cc of the info? I just had the "bones" of info you gave me before about your Rankin Loy family. I gather you do know there were two Lacy Loys? One was Rankin's son Lacy Graham Loy (1885-1972) and the other was William Arthur Loy's son Lacy Loy (1901-1974). They were cousins, of course. Lacy Graham Loy's line goes: "Mysterious George"--George Loy, Jr--Jacob Loy--Rankin Loy--Lacy Graham Loy. That is the one you would know, being your grandfather's uncle. The other Lacy Loy is: "Mysterious George"--George Loy, Jr.--Joseph Loy--William Arthur Loy--Lacy Loy. By the way, Dave corrected me that I had record of the "wrong husband" of Bertha (Loy) Kernodle. Her husband was Walter Kernodle--first cousin to Charles, who happened to marry a Bertha the same age as Bertha Loy! When I'd tried to find them in the 1920 census, I'd found the wrong Bertha.

Travis, I just learned of Travis' existance this weekend. I would appreciate anything you are willing to share on him and his descendants---ancestors too. I don't know much about the immediate Huffman and Loy ancestors but have quite a bit about both lines further back. I got interested in these lines in putting some information together for Millie Lea (Kernodle) Smithey on the occasion of her 80th birthday earlier this year. She is a granddaughter of William A. Loy and Bessie I. Huffman and a niece of your Lacy. My email is Dave@DDowell.com -----Original Message----- From: MTLOY [mailto:MTLOY@email.msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 7:50 AM To: LOY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LOY] William A. Loy & Bessie I. Huffman, Alamance, NC just for your info. i am related to Lacy loy of the Alamance county, Elon college (now just called Elon, town changed name in July of this year) I may have some info. that may be helpful. Travis Loy ----- Original Message ----- From: Delores Rochelle Walls <Loy_Genealogy@att.net> To: <LOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [LOY] William A. Loy & Bessie I. Huffman, Alamance, NC > David, you helped solve a "mystery" for me as far as Arthur goes. > Your William Arthur, of course, apparently never left NC. I had him > listed twice > in my genealogy records--once as William A. (which he was in the 1880 census > age = b. 1872) and once as "Arthur" (which he was in the 1900 census, > but age = b. 1875). The Huffman is interesting, as that surname has > come into the Alamance Co., NC Loys many times. > > I'll explain how William Arthur descends from Martin and Catherine > (Foust) Loy, but hang on...it gets confusing with so many George Loys. > In the first > place, there was Martin's son George who married Catherine Tillman. > This George was grandfather to the Elizabeth Loy that married David > Loy. Then this George had a son, George Loy, Jr. who moved to AL. > This George, Jr. was a boy during the time his cousin, George, son of > John and Mary (Holt) Loy, appears on NC land and census records. To > make matters more confusing, > John's son George was called "George Loy, Jr." in those records. In > those days, to distinguish one with the same name as an older relative > with that name, the suffix "Jr." was added to his name, whether he was > a son or a nephew of the "Sr." For clarification, I'll call your > George Loy, Jr. (son > of John and Mary Holt Loy) "mysterious George." This is what his > other descendants and I call him, as he has a bunch of children in the > pre-1850 Orange Co., NC census, but only a few have I been able to > determine by name. > > Mysterious George md. #1 Mary ____. Some of their descendants from > their son Jacob (md. Polly Driskell) theorize she may have been a > Tillman before marriage, as the name Tillman has been a traditional > middle name in their male line. She is listed as Maria in the Stoner's > church records, [the records being in German, all the names were > "Germanized"] along with mysterious George's brother John Loy, Jr. > (yes, a real Jr., son of John > Loy!) and his wife Philopena. Mary/Maria apparently died by 1812, when > George married Nancy Ferguson. By 1830 census mysterious George went to > Anderson Co., TN, where he is in the listed there. His cousins had also > gone to TN about two decades prior. In the book "Know Your Relatives," > George was said to have left NC for TN, then returned. This seems to > correspond with what I've found in census/land records. By 1840, he is back > in Orange Co., NC. The George Loy in the census could either be he > (as head > of household) or, my recent thought, his son George Loy, Jr. (After > Martin's son George Loy died, then mysterious George became just > George Loy > in records and HIS son became known as "George Loy, Jr." I told you > it was > confusing!)... > > Anyway, mysterious George Loy's son George Loy, Jr. was in the 1850 Alamance > Co., NC census (once part of Orange Co., NC) with wife Nancy Byrns > (md. 29 > December 1825 (Orange [now Alamance] Co., NC) [bondsman: Alfred > Byrns]). One note, this Alfred Byrns/Burns/Burnes was married to Naomi > Driskell. Naomi's sister Polly married Jacob Loy (son of mysterious > George) and sister > Jane Driskell md. Henry Loy (son of mysterious George). > > One of George and Nancy (Byrns) Loy's sons was Joseph Loy (b. ca. 1836 > NC > 1854 NC > is listed with children Franklin ("Frank") Loy (1868 Alamance Co., NC) and > William A. Loy (1872 Alamance Co., NC) and Joseph P. Loy (1873 > Alamance Co., > NC) (who md. by 1907 Augusta F. (_____) Apple (May 1872 NC), widow of > John W. Apple). > > > In 1900 census Letitia was remarried ca. 1876 to Sidney Derringer > (born July > 1852). They were in Elon College, Boon Station Twp., Alamance Co., NC. > Letitia had 9 children, 9 living that year. This seems to indicate besides > her 5 Derringer children, there were 4 Loy children living. If so, I > haven't found the other two Loy children. > > From that marriage were children: Adela Derringer (1876), Ida > M[elissa?] > ("Lissie") Derringer (April 1877) who was a widow by 1900, Lindley Derringer > (m) (December 1882), Eddie Derringer (April 1887), and Dover Derringer > (m) (April 1892). > > Next household to the Derringers in 1900 is Arthur Loy (July 1875 > Alamance Co., NC) md. (#1) 1893 Bessie _____ (March 1877 NC > md. (#2) > 1905 Alice _____ (1875 NC). Bessie had 2 children, 2 living that > year. Res. 1910 Boon Station Twp., Alamance Co., NC. Alice had 2 children, > 2 living that year. Res. 1920 Boon Station Twp., Alamance Co., NC. > > Arthur's children by first wife Bessie: > 1) Andrew Loy (September 1895 Boon Station Twp., Alamance Co., NC) 2) Bertha > B. Loy (13 July 1898 Boon Station Twp., Alamance Co., NC<26 April 1977 > Alamance Co., NC) [who md. by 1915 Charles E. Kernodle (ca. 1880 NC > before 1977) and 3) Lacy Loy (m) (23 June 1901 Boon Station Twp., Alamance > Co., NC<3 April 1974 [at home] Burlington, Alamance Co., NC). > > By wife Alice he had: 1) Alice Beatrice Loy (20 April 1906 Boon > Station Twp., Alamance Co.,NC<21 April 1983 Burlington, Alamance Co., > NC) 2) Arline > Loy (m) or Arlene Loy (f) (1908 Boon Station Twp., Alamance Co., NC) [gender > depends on 1910 or 1920 census!] 3) Boyd L. Loy (m) (1913 Boon Station Twp., > Alamance Co., NC) and 4) Eugene Loy (1915 Boon Station Twp., Alamance > Co., > NC) > > FYI, the William A. who was son of David and Elizabeth (Loy) Loy would have > been a double cousin to your William A. Loy. David was nephew to your > mysterious George Loy, so that would make your William A. and his son > William A. 2nd cousins once removed--David's son William A. would have been > 2nd cousin to Joseph Loy. On Elizabeth's side, Elizabeth's father Jacob > was first cousin to mysterious George, making her son William A. > second cousin to mysterious George's son George Jr., 2nd once removed > to Joseph, and 2nd 3x removed to William Arthur. > > Last week I was joking to some visiting cousins who descend from > George Loy, > Jr., son of John and Mary (Holt) Loy, that all the "extra" Loys I > can't place from 1800s NC I just stick with whom we call "mysterious > George" or "George Loy, Jr." In later research, most of my theories > have proven correct. But this case, your line truly is of George Jr. > > Oh, another FYI, my grandmother's Loys come from Martin and Catherine Loy's > third son, Henry Loy. I also live in CA--near Palm Springs. > > Delores > > The Complete Loy History Website > > http://loyhistory.cjb.net > > > on 10/14/01 11:24 AM, David R. Dowell at Dave@DDowell.com wrote: > > > I am trying to trace the parentage of William A. LOY who married > > Bessie I. HUFFMAN shortly before 1900. They had a daughter Bertha > > who was born July 13, 1898 in Alamance County, NC. William's middle > > name is thought to be Arthur. This William has been tied (perhaps > > erronously) to William A. LOY the son of David and Elizabeth (LOY) > > LOY who was born October 22, 1842 in OH. The middle name of this > > person has been reported to be Andrew. He ("age 16") was living with > > his widowed mother Elizabeth in the 1860 cenus for Tarkio, Parker Twp., > > Page Co., IA. He was also probably in the same > > location in the 1870 census but I have not yet confirmed this. His > > mother is reported to have moved on from Iowa to Kansas. > > Although it is possible that this William A. LOY returned to the home of > > his ancestors in Alamance Co. and settled there this > > would have been highly unusual. Can anyone shed any light on whether > > this is one or two separate William A. LOYs? > > > > Dave Dowell in Morro Bay, CA > > Researching: Adams, Armfield, Barnard, Bottum, Breske, Brown, > > Burritt, Carlton, Cashatt, Christie, Clough, Currier, Dow, Dowell, > > Dungan, Foot(e), Grove, Hoar, Kernodle, Lakey, Lawrence, Loy, > > Mclaren, Martin, Maynard, Messenger, Moon, Moore, Paepke, Pattee, > > Perry, Pierce, Pyle, Ratliff, Shover, Smithey, Tydings, Weaver & > > Wing. http://library.cuesta.org/ddowell.htm > > http://www.DDowell.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > > To subscribe to Digest Mode, please UNSUBSCRIBE from LOY-L and send > > "Subscribe" to LOY-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== > *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** > To subscribe to Digest Mode, please UNSUBSCRIBE from LOY-L and send > "Subscribe" to LOY-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > ==== LOY Mailing List ==== *** Roxanne Munns, ListHostess *** Please check out the LOY home page at: http://loyhistory.cjb.net ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2