TERRY, MY APOLOGIES ON THE SWAMP. YOU'RE RIGHT. UP INTO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON THE EASTERN SHORE BETWEEN DELMAR AND SALISBURY. I HAVE DRIVEN THRU BURNT SWAMP AND IT IS SPOOKY AT NIGHT. I HAVE SWAM AT TRAP POND BUT TRUSSEMS POND LOOKS MORE LIKE A SWAMP AND ITS NEARBY. I HAVE RIDDEN DOWN THE POCOMOKE RIVER YEARS AGO AS A TEENAGER ON A PADDLEWHEEL AND IT WAS SWAMPY AS WELL. AND IN DORCHESTER CO., MD THERE IS GREENBRIAR SWAMP INCLUDING A HEADLESS LADY AND BURIED SILVER. SOME PARTS OF BARREN CREEK HAVE CYPRESS TREES AND ARE A LITTLE SWAMPY. I GUESS I JUST NEVER THOUGHT OF IT AS SWAMP. THE NANTICOKE ALWAYS FELT LIKE A MARSH THAN A SWAMP. THE EASTERN SHORE IS VARIED SO MUCH BUT I LOVED IT. IF MY DAUGHTER DIDN'T DECIDE TO MAKE GETTYSBURG HER HOME I WOULD STILL BE DOWN THERE. NOW I HAVE BOTH DAUGHTERS UP HERE AND FRANKLIN CO. IS BEAUTIFUL AND I DON'T MISS THE HURRICANES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE MASON DIXON LINE I ALWAYS THOUGHT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE OCEAN. IT GOES THRU DELMAR PAST LITTLE CREEK 100 AND EAST THRU THERE. DID SOMEONE SAY IT WASN'T THE MASON DIXON LINE. I LIVE 4 MILES NORTH OF THE MASON DIXON IN PA AND I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP 4 MILES SOUTH OF THE MASON DIXON. GOD BLESS AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT THINKING OF THE OTHER SWAMPS. NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: Terry Phillips-Seitz Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 11:49 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) I don't disagree. I limited my list to those with predominantly swampland, as opposed to marsh along their shores. The Wicomico River, Wicomico Creek, and the Manokin River essentially have only marshland along their lower reaches that gives way rapidly to high ground. This may appear to be a petty distinction, but it is/was important insofar as the relationship between high ground (i.e. towns, farmland and wood lots) and wet lands. Only the Nanticoke has a transition zone of swampland in some places between its marshes and high ground. From Vienna upstream there is very little marsh- only swamp and occasional high ground up to Seaford and Laurel. The Nanticoke continues to have swampland associated with it as far inland as the cypress swamp at Trap Pond, which is literally only four miles west of Burnt Swamp The Pocomoke has swamps along its shores practically to its mouth. Hence, I was suggesting the Nanticoke, Pocomoke and their tributaries as candidates to consider for parcels called "Swamp Tract". Early Delmarva residents would have been aware of the distinction between swamps and marshes. Interesting fact about the effect of the earth's rotation though. I had no idea.... As a matter of curiosity, there is a VERY short canal that runs from the Nanticoke's north shore just east of Vienna, perpendicular to the river "inland" for about a half mile, almost to high ground. Supposedly, it was dug entirely by slave labor in the early 19th century.... I'm not sure about it's purpose- maybe for logging the swamp, but more likely to access the river from nearby farms. You can see it if you Google Vienna, MD and follow the river upstream just a bit. The Interestingly, the canal pretty much demarks the boundary between the last marsh on that shore and the adjacent swamp which continues upstream with few breaks. Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:06 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) The Delmarva rivers that flow westward into the Chesapeake, the Choptank, Nanticoke, Wicomico and Pocomoke, share characteristics, including long length, shallow depth, meandering course, and little fast land. Those that flow eastward into Delaware Bay are short, deep and have more fast land once inland from coastal marshes. This difference is caused by the rotation of the Earth. In the 1820s, the DE legislature chartered a Milton company to dig a canal between the headwaters of the Broadkill and Nanticoke. At that time, they could be navigated for so much of their length, the canal would have been only 11 miles long. Yes, a Layton was one of the investors. I can find no record of a shovel ever being put to ground on this project. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Terry Phillips-Seitz <tbphillips@verizon.net > wrote: > Actually, it is part of the Great Cypress Swamp, which follows the > Pocomoke River through much of its course. Burnt Swamp is the > northernmost part of this, and as such is the Pocomoke's source. The > Great Dismal Swamp lies south of Suffolk, VA, below the Chesapeake. > Although drainage projects and encroachment has altered its shape a > bit over the years, it still runs from Whaleysville & St. Martins in > Worcester County north to just south of Millsboro in Sussex County. > > I have heard/read of a Swamp Tract near Burnt Swamp, but you need to > be careful.... Swamp Tract may be used as a property name in other > places and the Cypress Swamp is a substantial buffer all along the Pocomoke (c.f. > Nasawango Furnace area). In addition, the Nanticoke is similar to the > Pocomoke, with "cripples" along most of its course and those of its > tributaries, e.g. Rewastico Creek, lower Barren Creek, Marshyhope, > Galestown and Broad Creeks. Anyone with property adjoining one of > these could refer to certain parcels as "Swamp Tract". > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > lenorah123@comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 11:34 AM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > > HI, > I'VE NOTED THAT SOME HAVE MENTIONED A SWAMP TRACT. BURNT SWAMP, THE > NORTHERN END OF THE GREAT DISMAL LIES BETWEEN GUMBORO AND SELBYVILLE > ALMOST TO THE MASON DIXON LINE. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO ST MARTINS, AND WORCESTER CO. > BACK IN THE DAY I BELLIEVE IT WA IN SOMERSET CO. BUT NOW IN DE. > > GOD BLESS, > NORAH > -----Original Message----- > From: marjorie adams > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:13 AM > To: Miller's Choice ; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > Paul Waples' Piney Point may have been at Indian River, north east of > Dagsboro at the end of Piney Neck Rd. DE Hwy Map, rev 2004 shows > "Assawoman Willife Area Piney Point Tract". I think this neck of land > was/is known as Piney Neck. > > The Peter, Paul and Mary you mention are children of Wiliam Waples, > are they not? According to Runk, William inherited land on both sides > of Indian River. > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Miller's Choice <milchoice@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > <Peter's brother Paul lived in Baltimore Hundred of Somerset County, > > where he shows on the tax lists until 1739; that last year his next > > neighbor was Paul Thoroughgood. On the 1734 debt book for Somerset > > County, Paul Waples held 500 acres of Piney Point, 50 acres of Swamp > > in Fellowship and 200 acres of Abigail's Chance, all in Baltimore > > Hundred. I'm not familiar with these tracts and I suspect they are > > now in Sussex County, DE.> > > > > > > Becky > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Alan Bell <Alan.Bell@colorado.edu> > > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:51 PM > > Subject: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > > > Has anyone looked at the putative wives of Peter Waples of Indian > > River, Nancy Thoroughgood and Margaret Rowe? Peter's will of 1785 > > does not mention a wife. Rufus Waples' Genealogy lists an unknown > > first wife; Margaret Rowe as second wife; children William, John, > > Benjamin, Joseph, and Nancy with the first wife; and Margaret, > > Littleton, Mary, Jane, Elizabeth, and Peter with Margaret Rowe. > > (Rufus was the great grandson of Peter.) Nancy Thoroughgood is given > > as the first wife in several genealogies. But I have not turned up > > any documents attesting to either marriage, or any Thoroughgood or > > Rowe documents that might hint at Thoroughgood or Rowe families in > > Sussex around 1700-1750 Nancy or Margaret might have belonged to. > > The birth dates and order of the children (except for Peter, from > > the > > 1850 census) are mostly unattested as well, so the order of the > > marriages seems speculative, as well as which mother the children > belonged > to. > > > > His daughters married Bartlett, Oliver, Hazzard, Lewis, Hall, and Waples. > > > > Alan Bell, Boulder, Colorado > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Marjorie > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work > and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Hi Norah- Please, no apologies. I was just making the point that you shouldn't assume "Swamp Tract" was near Burnt Swamp. The Mason & Dixon surveyed only the east-west line between MD & PA and the north-south line between MD & DE. Les Riggin pointed out that the state line at the bottom of Delaware was surveyed by others (John Watson and William Parsons of Pennsylvania and John Emory and Thomas Jones of Maryland surveyed it 1750-1751) and it is properly known as the Transpeninsular Line. I, like you, grew up in the area and we simply did not bother with the distinction when we referred to the state boundaries. Below Vienna, the Nanticoke does have a lot of marsh, but much of that marsh is bounded by swamp as well. I think that the expanses of tuckahoe and lotus, which grow in shallow water along the swamp edge/shoreline give many the impression that there are marshes in places where there are none. With just a few exceptions, the river above Vienna is entirely bounded by swamp. Your comment about Trussum's Pond makes a larger point. There are lots of places in the area that are just plain swampy, especially around millponds, which most often originated as low, wet areas at the head of streams. ...And you are correct about Barren Creek. There are several swampy, unusable areas in Columbia on its upper reaches. My grandparents' farm backed up to what we called "Blackwater Creek" (really just upper Barren Creek) and there were 50 - 100 yards along the creek on each side that were seasonally flooded wetlands. So you can see that "Swamp Tract" could easily have been used in a very broad, provincial context. Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lenorah123@comcast.net Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) TERRY, MY APOLOGIES ON THE SWAMP. YOU'RE RIGHT. UP INTO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON THE EASTERN SHORE BETWEEN DELMAR AND SALISBURY. I HAVE DRIVEN THRU BURNT SWAMP AND IT IS SPOOKY AT NIGHT. I HAVE SWAM AT TRAP POND BUT TRUSSEMS POND LOOKS MORE LIKE A SWAMP AND ITS NEARBY. I HAVE RIDDEN DOWN THE POCOMOKE RIVER YEARS AGO AS A TEENAGER ON A PADDLEWHEEL AND IT WAS SWAMPY AS WELL. AND IN DORCHESTER CO., MD THERE IS GREENBRIAR SWAMP INCLUDING A HEADLESS LADY AND BURIED SILVER. SOME PARTS OF BARREN CREEK HAVE CYPRESS TREES AND ARE A LITTLE SWAMPY. I GUESS I JUST NEVER THOUGHT OF IT AS SWAMP. THE NANTICOKE ALWAYS FELT LIKE A MARSH THAN A SWAMP. THE EASTERN SHORE IS VARIED SO MUCH BUT I LOVED IT. IF MY DAUGHTER DIDN'T DECIDE TO MAKE GETTYSBURG HER HOME I WOULD STILL BE DOWN THERE. NOW I HAVE BOTH DAUGHTERS UP HERE AND FRANKLIN CO. IS BEAUTIFUL AND I DON'T MISS THE HURRICANES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE MASON DIXON LINE I ALWAYS THOUGHT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE OCEAN. IT GOES THRU DELMAR PAST LITTLE CREEK 100 AND EAST THRU THERE. DID SOMEONE SAY IT WASN'T THE MASON DIXON LINE. I LIVE 4 MILES NORTH OF THE MASON DIXON IN PA AND I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP 4 MILES SOUTH OF THE MASON DIXON. GOD BLESS AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT THINKING OF THE OTHER SWAMPS. NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: Terry Phillips-Seitz Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 11:49 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) I don't disagree. I limited my list to those with predominantly swampland, as opposed to marsh along their shores. The Wicomico River, Wicomico Creek, and the Manokin River essentially have only marshland along their lower reaches that gives way rapidly to high ground. This may appear to be a petty distinction, but it is/was important insofar as the relationship between high ground (i.e. towns, farmland and wood lots) and wet lands. Only the Nanticoke has a transition zone of swampland in some places between its marshes and high ground. From Vienna upstream there is very little marsh- only swamp and occasional high ground up to Seaford and Laurel. The Nanticoke continues to have swampland associated with it as far inland as the cypress swamp at Trap Pond, which is literally only four miles west of Burnt Swamp The Pocomoke has swamps along its shores practically to its mouth. Hence, I was suggesting the Nanticoke, Pocomoke and their tributaries as candidates to consider for parcels called "Swamp Tract". Early Delmarva residents would have been aware of the distinction between swamps and marshes. Interesting fact about the effect of the earth's rotation though. I had no idea.... As a matter of curiosity, there is a VERY short canal that runs from the Nanticoke's north shore just east of Vienna, perpendicular to the river "inland" for about a half mile, almost to high ground. Supposedly, it was dug entirely by slave labor in the early 19th century.... I'm not sure about it's purpose- maybe for logging the swamp, but more likely to access the river from nearby farms. You can see it if you Google Vienna, MD and follow the river upstream just a bit. The Interestingly, the canal pretty much demarks the boundary between the last marsh on that shore and the adjacent swamp which continues upstream with few breaks. Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:06 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) The Delmarva rivers that flow westward into the Chesapeake, the Choptank, Nanticoke, Wicomico and Pocomoke, share characteristics, including long length, shallow depth, meandering course, and little fast land. Those that flow eastward into Delaware Bay are short, deep and have more fast land once inland from coastal marshes. This difference is caused by the rotation of the Earth. In the 1820s, the DE legislature chartered a Milton company to dig a canal between the headwaters of the Broadkill and Nanticoke. At that time, they could be navigated for so much of their length, the canal would have been only 11 miles long. Yes, a Layton was one of the investors. I can find no record of a shovel ever being put to ground on this project. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Terry Phillips-Seitz <tbphillips@verizon.net > wrote: > Actually, it is part of the Great Cypress Swamp, which follows the > Pocomoke River through much of its course. Burnt Swamp is the > northernmost part of this, and as such is the Pocomoke's source. The > Great Dismal Swamp lies south of Suffolk, VA, below the Chesapeake. > Although drainage projects and encroachment has altered its shape a > bit over the years, it still runs from Whaleysville & St. Martins in > Worcester County north to just south of Millsboro in Sussex County. > > I have heard/read of a Swamp Tract near Burnt Swamp, but you need to > be careful.... Swamp Tract may be used as a property name in other > places and the Cypress Swamp is a substantial buffer all along the Pocomoke (c.f. > Nasawango Furnace area). In addition, the Nanticoke is similar to the > Pocomoke, with "cripples" along most of its course and those of its > tributaries, e.g. Rewastico Creek, lower Barren Creek, Marshyhope, > Galestown and Broad Creeks. Anyone with property adjoining one of > these could refer to certain parcels as "Swamp Tract". > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > lenorah123@comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 11:34 AM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > > HI, > I'VE NOTED THAT SOME HAVE MENTIONED A SWAMP TRACT. BURNT SWAMP, THE > NORTHERN END OF THE GREAT DISMAL LIES BETWEEN GUMBORO AND SELBYVILLE > ALMOST TO THE MASON DIXON LINE. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO ST MARTINS, AND WORCESTER CO. > BACK IN THE DAY I BELLIEVE IT WA IN SOMERSET CO. BUT NOW IN DE. > > GOD BLESS, > NORAH > -----Original Message----- > From: marjorie adams > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:13 AM > To: Miller's Choice ; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > Paul Waples' Piney Point may have been at Indian River, north east of > Dagsboro at the end of Piney Neck Rd. DE Hwy Map, rev 2004 shows > "Assawoman Willife Area Piney Point Tract". I think this neck of land > was/is known as Piney Neck. > > The Peter, Paul and Mary you mention are children of Wiliam Waples, > are they not? According to Runk, William inherited land on both sides > of Indian River. > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Miller's Choice <milchoice@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > <Peter's brother Paul lived in Baltimore Hundred of Somerset County, > > where he shows on the tax lists until 1739; that last year his next > > neighbor was Paul Thoroughgood. On the 1734 debt book for Somerset > > County, Paul Waples held 500 acres of Piney Point, 50 acres of Swamp > > in Fellowship and 200 acres of Abigail's Chance, all in Baltimore > > Hundred. I'm not familiar with these tracts and I suspect they are > > now in Sussex County, DE.> > > > > > > Becky > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Alan Bell <Alan.Bell@colorado.edu> > > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:51 PM > > Subject: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > > > Has anyone looked at the putative wives of Peter Waples of Indian > > River, Nancy Thoroughgood and Margaret Rowe? Peter's will of 1785 > > does not mention a wife. Rufus Waples' Genealogy lists an unknown > > first wife; Margaret Rowe as second wife; children William, John, > > Benjamin, Joseph, and Nancy with the first wife; and Margaret, > > Littleton, Mary, Jane, Elizabeth, and Peter with Margaret Rowe. > > (Rufus was the great grandson of Peter.) Nancy Thoroughgood is given > > as the first wife in several genealogies. But I have not turned up > > any documents attesting to either marriage, or any Thoroughgood or > > Rowe documents that might hint at Thoroughgood or Rowe families in > > Sussex around 1700-1750 Nancy or Margaret might have belonged to. > > The birth dates and order of the children (except for Peter, from > > the > > 1850 census) are mostly unattested as well, so the order of the > > marriages seems speculative, as well as which mother the children > belonged > to. > > > > His daughters married Bartlett, Oliver, Hazzard, Lewis, Hall, and Waples. > > > > Alan Bell, Boulder, Colorado > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Marjorie > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work > and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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I recommend two books that touch on the two parts of this discussion. "Walkin' the Line" by William Eceenbarger starts in Fenwick Island and ends in western PA. It uses the diaries of the surveyors to cover the three segments of the lines between DE/MD and MD/PA. Very inrteresting story. "Between Ocean and Bay - a natural history of Delmarva" by Jane Scott is a super read. So good, in fact, I've read it twice. If you want to understand "our" Delmarva and how it got to be the way it is, I recommend this book. By the way, out of curiosity, I did a research project to find the most commonly-accepted definition of the *northern boundary *of Delmarva. It is the line roughly followed by Route 40. (I wanted an answer because my retirement goal is to play every golf hole on Delmarva. There are 87 18-hole courses. I've play 71 of them, so far.) Jim Moore Wilmington, which technically isn't on Delmarva. On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Terry Phillips-Seitz < tbphillips@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Norah- > > Please, no apologies. I was just making the point that you shouldn't > assume > "Swamp Tract" was near Burnt Swamp. > > The Mason & Dixon surveyed only the east-west line between MD & PA and the > north-south line between MD & DE. Les Riggin pointed out that the state > line at the bottom of Delaware was surveyed by others (John Watson and > William Parsons of Pennsylvania and John Emory and Thomas Jones of Maryland > surveyed it 1750-1751) and it is properly known as the Transpeninsular > Line. > I, like you, grew up in the area and we simply did not bother with the > distinction when we referred to the state boundaries. > > Below Vienna, the Nanticoke does have a lot of marsh, but much of that > marsh > is bounded by swamp as well. I think that the expanses of tuckahoe and > lotus, which grow in shallow water along the swamp edge/shoreline give many > the impression that there are marshes in places where there are none. With > just a few exceptions, the river above Vienna is entirely bounded by swamp. > > > Your comment about Trussum's Pond makes a larger point. There are lots of > places in the area that are just plain swampy, especially around millponds, > which most often originated as low, wet areas at the head of streams. > ...And you are correct about Barren Creek. There are several swampy, > unusable areas in Columbia on its upper reaches. My grandparents' farm > backed up to what we called "Blackwater Creek" (really just upper Barren > Creek) and there were 50 - 100 yards along the creek on each side that were > seasonally flooded wetlands. > > So you can see that "Swamp Tract" could easily have been used in a very > broad, provincial context. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > lenorah123@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 10:13 AM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > TERRY, > MY APOLOGIES ON THE SWAMP. YOU'RE RIGHT. UP INTO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I > WAS BORN AND RAISED ON THE EASTERN SHORE BETWEEN DELMAR AND SALISBURY. I > HAVE DRIVEN THRU BURNT SWAMP AND IT IS SPOOKY AT NIGHT. I HAVE SWAM AT > TRAP > POND BUT TRUSSEMS POND LOOKS MORE LIKE A SWAMP AND ITS NEARBY. I HAVE > RIDDEN DOWN THE POCOMOKE RIVER YEARS AGO AS A TEENAGER ON A PADDLEWHEEL AND > IT WAS SWAMPY AS WELL. AND IN DORCHESTER CO., MD THERE IS GREENBRIAR SWAMP > INCLUDING A HEADLESS LADY AND BURIED SILVER. SOME PARTS OF BARREN CREEK > HAVE CYPRESS TREES AND ARE A LITTLE SWAMPY. I GUESS I JUST NEVER THOUGHT > OF > IT AS SWAMP. THE NANTICOKE ALWAYS FELT LIKE A MARSH THAN A SWAMP. THE > EASTERN SHORE IS VARIED SO MUCH BUT I LOVED IT. IF MY DAUGHTER DIDN'T > DECIDE TO MAKE GETTYSBURG HER HOME I WOULD STILL BE DOWN THERE. NOW I HAVE > BOTH DAUGHTERS UP HERE AND FRANKLIN CO. IS BEAUTIFUL AND I DON'T MISS THE > HURRICANES. > I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE MASON DIXON LINE I ALWAYS THOUGHT WENT ALL THE > WAY TO THE OCEAN. IT GOES THRU DELMAR PAST LITTLE CREEK 100 AND EAST > THRU > > THERE. DID SOMEONE SAY IT WASN'T THE MASON DIXON LINE. I LIVE 4 MILES > NORTH > OF THE MASON DIXON IN PA AND I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP 4 MILES SOUTH OF THE > MASON DIXON. > > GOD BLESS AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT THINKING OF THE OTHER SWAMPS. > NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Phillips-Seitz > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 11:49 PM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > I don't disagree. > > I limited my list to those with predominantly swampland, as opposed to > marsh > along their shores. The Wicomico River, Wicomico Creek, and the Manokin > River essentially have only marshland along their lower reaches that gives > way rapidly to high ground. This may appear to be a petty distinction, but > it is/was important insofar as the relationship between high ground (i.e. > towns, farmland and wood lots) and wet lands. Only the Nanticoke has a > transition zone of swampland in some places between its marshes and high > ground. From Vienna upstream there is very little marsh- only swamp and > occasional high ground up to Seaford and Laurel. The Nanticoke continues > to > have swampland associated with it as far inland as the cypress swamp at > Trap > Pond, which is literally only four miles west of Burnt Swamp The Pocomoke > has swamps along its shores practically to its mouth. > > Hence, I was suggesting the Nanticoke, Pocomoke and their tributaries as > candidates to consider for parcels called "Swamp Tract". Early Delmarva > residents would have been aware of the distinction between swamps and > marshes. > > Interesting fact about the effect of the earth's rotation though. I had no > idea.... > > As a matter of curiosity, there is a VERY short canal that runs from the > Nanticoke's north shore just east of Vienna, perpendicular to the river > "inland" for about a half mile, almost to high ground. Supposedly, it was > dug entirely by slave labor in the early 19th century.... I'm not sure > about it's purpose- maybe for logging the swamp, but more likely to access > the river from nearby farms. You can see it if you Google Vienna, MD and > follow the river upstream just a bit. The Interestingly, the canal pretty > much demarks the boundary between the last marsh on that shore and the > adjacent swamp which continues upstream with few breaks. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:06 PM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > The Delmarva rivers that flow westward into the Chesapeake, the Choptank, > Nanticoke, Wicomico and Pocomoke, share characteristics, including long > length, shallow depth, meandering course, and little fast land. Those that > flow eastward into Delaware Bay are short, deep and have more fast land > once > inland from coastal marshes. This difference is caused by the rotation of > the Earth. > > In the 1820s, the DE legislature chartered a Milton company to dig a canal > between the headwaters of the Broadkill and Nanticoke. At that time, they > could be navigated for so much of their length, the canal would have been > only 11 miles long. Yes, a Layton was one of the investors. I can find no > record of a shovel ever being put to ground on this project. > > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Terry Phillips-Seitz < > tbphillips@verizon.net > > wrote: > > > Actually, it is part of the Great Cypress Swamp, which follows the > > Pocomoke River through much of its course. Burnt Swamp is the > > northernmost part of this, and as such is the Pocomoke's source. The > > Great Dismal Swamp lies south of Suffolk, VA, below the Chesapeake. > > Although drainage projects and encroachment has altered its shape a > > bit over the years, it still runs from Whaleysville & St. Martins in > > Worcester County north to just south of Millsboro in Sussex County. > > > > I have heard/read of a Swamp Tract near Burnt Swamp, but you need to > > be careful.... Swamp Tract may be used as a property name in other > > places and the Cypress Swamp is a substantial buffer all along the > Pocomoke (c.f. > > Nasawango Furnace area). In addition, the Nanticoke is similar to the > > Pocomoke, with "cripples" along most of its course and those of its > > tributaries, e.g. Rewastico Creek, lower Barren Creek, Marshyhope, > > Galestown and Broad Creeks. Anyone with property adjoining one of > > these could refer to certain parcels as "Swamp Tract". > > > > Terry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > lenorah123@comcast.net > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 11:34 AM > > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > > > > > HI, > > I'VE NOTED THAT SOME HAVE MENTIONED A SWAMP TRACT. BURNT SWAMP, THE > > NORTHERN END OF THE GREAT DISMAL LIES BETWEEN GUMBORO AND SELBYVILLE > > ALMOST TO THE MASON DIXON LINE. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO ST MARTINS, AND > WORCESTER CO. > > BACK IN THE DAY I BELLIEVE IT WA IN SOMERSET CO. BUT NOW IN DE. > > > > GOD BLESS, > > NORAH > > -----Original Message----- > > From: marjorie adams > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:13 AM > > To: Miller's Choice ; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > > > Paul Waples' Piney Point may have been at Indian River, north east of > > Dagsboro at the end of Piney Neck Rd. DE Hwy Map, rev 2004 shows > > "Assawoman Willife Area Piney Point Tract". I think this neck of land > > was/is known as Piney Neck. > > > > The Peter, Paul and Mary you mention are children of Wiliam Waples, > > are they not? According to Runk, William inherited land on both sides > > of Indian River. > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Miller's Choice <milchoice@yahoo.com > > >wrote: > > > > > <Peter's brother Paul lived in Baltimore Hundred of Somerset County, > > > where he shows on the tax lists until 1739; that last year his next > > > neighbor was Paul Thoroughgood. On the 1734 debt book for Somerset > > > County, Paul Waples held 500 acres of Piney Point, 50 acres of Swamp > > > in Fellowship and 200 acres of Abigail's Chance, all in Baltimore > > > Hundred. I'm not familiar with these tracts and I suspect they are > > > now in Sussex County, DE.> > > > > > > > > > Becky > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Alan Bell <Alan.Bell@colorado.edu> > > > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:51 PM > > > Subject: [LDR] Wives of Peter Waples (1708/9-1785) > > > > > > Has anyone looked at the putative wives of Peter Waples of Indian > > > River, Nancy Thoroughgood and Margaret Rowe? Peter's will of 1785 > > > does not mention a wife. Rufus Waples' Genealogy lists an unknown > > > first wife; Margaret Rowe as second wife; children William, John, > > > Benjamin, Joseph, and Nancy with the first wife; and Margaret, > > > Littleton, Mary, Jane, Elizabeth, and Peter with Margaret Rowe. > > > (Rufus was the great grandson of Peter.) Nancy Thoroughgood is given > > > as the first wife in several genealogies. But I have not turned up > > > any documents attesting to either marriage, or any Thoroughgood or > > > Rowe documents that might hint at Thoroughgood or Rowe families in > > > Sussex around 1700-1750 Nancy or Margaret might have belonged to. > > > The birth dates and order of the children (except for Peter, from > > > the > > > 1850 census) are mostly unattested as well, so the order of the > > > marriages seems speculative, as well as which mother the children > > belonged > > to. > > > > > > His daughters married Bartlett, Oliver, Hazzard, Lewis, Hall, and > Waples. > > > > > > Alan Bell, Boulder, Colorado > > > *************************************** > > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Marjorie > > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work > > and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >