Hi, Jim, A couple of months ago, I was trying to find information on John Crouch, son of Isaac Crouch and grandson of John Crouch and Ann Toadvine to see if he might be the John Crouch who turns up in what is now West Virginia in the mid 1700's. I had no luck so if anyone can help, it would be appreciated. What I did find was a connection between Isaac Crouch and the Hobbs family. This is what I found then. >From Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol. 7, 1732-1738, page 210: Joy Hobbs, Stepney Parish, Somerset County Written 16th Mch., 1735 and Proven 30th Apr., 1737 To 3 sons, viz.: Thomas, Joy and Matthilias and their hrs., "Carney's Chance" and "Abington"; shd. son Joy die without issue not having disposed of his land, his portion to revert to the two sons of his bro. Noble and their hrs. To son Absolom, ex., and hrs., 30 A. of "Absolom's Choice", nr. the Shading reach on Broad Ck.; land at Dam Quarter being pt. of two tracts, "Golden Quarter" and "Long Delay", now called "Hobbs' His Choice"; 50 A. "Haymon's Chance", and dwelling plantation on Wiccocomico Ck.; entire personal estate on condition he maintains his sister Elizabeth and his bro. Boulten, sd. Elizabeth having right if dissatisfied to claim 1/3 of personal estate. To two grandsons Joy and Noble, sons of son Noble, dec'd., residue of "Absolom's Choice". Testator directs he be buried on dwelling plantation by wife. Test: Thomas Howard, William Austin, George Harris. 21. 761. Estate proceedings on two of the sons, both found at Prerogative Court Abstracts, 1737-1744, Libers 16-20, page 197: Thomas Hobbs Jul 7 1744 Sureties: Marcillus Hobbs, Joy Hobbs. Payments to: Mr. Matthias Gale, Absolom Hobbs, Benjamin Cotman, William Swillwan, Jacob Aires, Thomas Wolker, Mr. Matthias Gale (executor of Madam Betty Gale), John White, Henry Lowes, Patrick Allison, Thomas Crouch, Daniel Dulany, Esq., Capt. David Willson, Heber Whittingham, Mr. Thomas Dashiel, Sr., George Douglas, Capt. Henry Ballard for Abraham Barnes, widow (unnamed, 1/3). Mentions: children: Stephen, Benjamin, Pricilla, Mary, Betty, John, Sarah, Belley. Administratrix: Mary Hobbs. Joy Hobbs Jul 24 1744 Sureties: Richard Magraw, Stephen Hobbs. Payments to: Thomas Dashiells, Henry Waggaman, Patrick Stweart, John Alexander, John White (merchant), Matthew Mungarr, Heber Whittingham, William Brewenton (I think this should be Brewerton), Patrick Allison, Joseph Cooman, Isaac Noble, John Dennis, Capt. Henry Ballard, Benjamin Cotman, William Suilwan, Marcillus Hobbs (accountant), Absolom Hobbs (accountant). Distribution to: accountants (1 part each), wife (unnamed, 1 part) of Isaac Crouch, Stephen Hill (nephew, 1/9 of one part), Benjamin Hobbs (1/9 of one part), Thomas Hobbs (1/9 of one part), Precilla Hobbs (1/9 of one part). Residue to: children of Thomas Hobbs (John, Elisabeth, Sarah, Elinor), children of Noble Hobbs (Joy, Noble), children of Benjamin Mitchell who married Jemima Hobbs (Mary, Elinor, Joseph Benjamin). Administrators: Mercillus Hobbs, Absolom Hobbs. >From MD Eastern Shore Vital Records, Book I, Somerset Land Records, page 123: Thomas Hobbs son of Joy and Mary Hobbs born 14 Dec 1693 Joy Hobbs son of Joy and Mary Hobbs born 19 May 1695 To go back another generation, the father of Joy Hobbs whose will was written 16 Mar 1735 was Thomas, and an abstract of his will follows: >From Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol. 2, 1685-1702, page 61: Thomas Hobbs, Somerset Co., written 10th Dec., 1691, proven 24th Oct., 1692 To son Joy, 1/2 of land. To John Price, 100 A., to be purchased for him by sd. son Joy. To sister Eliza: Gambrill, or her eld. child, and to Elias Jones, personalty. To wife Eliza:, extx., dower rights. Test: Jno. West, Stephen Horsey, Jno. Reach, Jr., Wm. Jones, Rich'd Peake. Remembering the name Noble Hobbs, I looked for him this morning and found the following, and yep, there is a Layton! >From MD Eastern Shore Vital Records, Book 1, Somerset Parish Register, Page 161: Thomas Hobs son of Joy and Mary Hobs born at Mony 14 Dec 1693 Elizabeth Hobs dau of Joy and Mary Hobs born at Mony 20 Apr 1697 Noble Hobs son Joy and Mary Hobs born at Mony 8 Feb 1698 (My note: Mighty quick between Elizabeth and Noble so he may be 1699?) >From Prerogative Court Abstracts, 1750-1754, Libers 29-36, Page 24: Absolom Hobbs Somerset Apr 29 1751 Sureties: Stephen Hobbs, Elias Baley. Payments to: John Handy, Clemment Dashiels (administrator of George Dashiels), Mary Jones (executrix of Mitchell Jones), Thomas Crouch, George Paris, Henry Waggaman, John McClorg, James Davis, Eunice Kellet, John Ponsonby, Sarah Dorman, Robert Allison (executor of Patrick Allison), Thomas Dashiels, Hezekiah Dorman, Steven Hobbs, Joy Hobbs (his portion of estate of his uncle Joy Hobbs), Col. Robert King, Noble Hobbs (minor) paid to accountant. Distribution to: widow (unnamed, 1/3). Residue to: heirs (unnamed). Mentions: 5 children: Absolom Hobbs, Geore, William, Priscilla (Mary Frances), Charrety. Administratrix: Charity Gray, wife of William Gray. >From Calendar of Wills, Vol 13, 1764-1767, Page 111: Layton, Mary, Dorchester Co. written 9 Feb, 1759 proven 14 Jun, 1766 Absolom Hobbs (written Hoobs), son of Noble. Bathsolenia Taylor, alias Layton. Molly Taylor, alias Molly Layton. Nancy Taylor, alias Nancy Layton. Betty Coffey, wife of Solomon Coffey. Rody Coffey, dau. of Solomon Coffey. Tracts: Vinson Discovery." Wit: Henry Camplen, Wm. Thomas, Nutter Adams. Here are a couple of odds and ends. >From Prerogative Court Abstracts, 1744-1748, Page 3: Joy Hobbs Somerset Apr 21 1744 Appraisers: Benjamin Cotman, William Sulivan. Creditors: Henry Waggaman, John White. Next of kin: Isaac Noble, Stephen Hobbs. Administrators: Mercillas Hobbs, Absolom Hobbs. >From Prerogative Court Abstracts, 1748-1751, Page 47: Absolom Hobbs Somerset Jul 3 1749 Oct 14 1749 Appraisers: Henry Ballard, Louther Dashiell. Creditors: Clement Dashiell, H. Waggaman. Next of kin: Marth Hobs, Stephen Hobbs. Administratrix/Executrix: Charrety Hobbs. That's it! I realize these are all abstracts, but they give us part of the story, and for those of us who are limited to on line resources, they are a help. I think Isaac Crouch married Elizabeth Hobbs, daughter of Joy Hobbs and Mary Unknown. I do not know how Thomas Crouch fits in or whose child he was, nor do I know how Mary Layton fits in. I could not find anything about Isaac Crouch's son, John, to know if he is the John Crouch in WV. Children of this John Crouch married into Fornelson, Delay, Wamsley and Nelson families. Jim, I cannot answer your specific question, but think your Elizabeth Noble Hobbs is going to fit into this Hobbs family somewhere. If anyone can offer any help to any of us, I know it would be greatly appreciated by all. The information provided by Becky Miller and John Lyon on the Somerset Crouch family this past summer has been passed on to every person I could find who was working on that family, even some who didn't know that's where they would go. Again, many thanks to you both! Mary Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Moore" <moorejl@gmail.com> To: "DE Gen list" <Lower-Delmarva-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [LDR] Hobbs/Kirkman > I'm seeking the parents of ELIZABETH NOBLE HOBBS who in 1764 married > George > KIRKMAN son of James Kirkman and Mary Sherwood. This is a Dor Co MD > marriage. They moved from MD to NC. > "Noble" and "Hobbs" suggests Caroline Co east of Denton. > > (Nope, no Laytons tonight!) > > Jim Moore > Wilmington > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >