Please change my address from- ruark@sprintmail.com to sruark@tampabay.rr.com thanks S.Ruark -----Original Message----- >From: lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Jan 26, 2009 3:00 AM >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 29 > > > >LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Administrivia > >For information about the Lower Delmarva Roots Mailing List, including list guidelines and instructions for unsubscribing and subscribing, see the LDRoots FAQ: > >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: help deciphering will language (W.F. Stephens) > 2. Re: mystery property (Johnlyon0@cs.com) > 3. Re: mystery property (marjorie adams) > 4. Re: mystery property (Johnlyon0@cs.com) > 5. Re: help deciphering will language (Johnlyon0@cs.com) > 6. Re: Thanks for the help deciphering will (Heather Binder) > 7. FOWLER of northern Sussex (Jim Moore) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:55:23 -0500 >From: "W.F. Stephens" <wfstephens@verizon.net> >Subject: Re: [LDR] help deciphering will language >To: <heathertimmonsbinder@yahoo.com>, > <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <78751579D7B046818BD2D6E16D380CF0@WoodyPC> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > >As I read this it means that John Timmons bequeathed the slave woman, >Easther to his wife, but not any children Easther may bear after her >ownership transfers to the wife. > >Woody Stephens >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather Binder" <heathertimmonsbinder@yahoo.com> >To: <lower-delmarva-roots-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:09 PM >Subject: [LDR] help deciphering will language > > >This may be obvious to many of you, but I want to make sure I clearly >understand the phrase/excerpt below, from the 1792 will of John Timmons of >Sussex County: > >"...for my wife. Also a Negro woman named Easther, the increase of Easther >excepted..." > >Thanks in advance for your help! > >Heather Timmons Binder >Illinois > > > > >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:44:29 -0500 >From: Johnlyon0@cs.com >Subject: Re: [LDR] mystery property >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <401D9042.7247953B.025CBFE9@cs.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net> wrote: > >>John Lyon, >>Do these 2 properties have any relavance to the mystery of the "150A >>dwelling plantation" of Richard Lockwood d1737? ?<snip> > >________________ > >Your DOUBLE PURCHASE was a 1744 resurvey of POWELLS INCLUSION, which adjoined HILLIARDS DISCOVERY. These were about 2 miles northwest of Berlin. > >Referring to the 1734 Debt Book, the 256 ac POWELLS INCLUSION and 150 ac HILLIARDS DISCOVERY were assessed in their entirety, half of each to Daniel Tingle and Gammage Evans. > >This would therefore exclude either as a candidate to include the mysterious PATRICKS DISCOVERY. All acreage was accounted for. >The ?adjoining? Daniel Tingle land mentioned in the deeds was part of both involved tracts. > >The resurvey DOUBLE PURCHASE does cite its own rectification of substantial overlap of POWELLS INCLUSION with elder surveys in the vicinity. But I don?t see room in all this for PATRICKS DISCOVERY to have been any sort of element. > >A statistic: the 1734 Debt Book specifies 2152 patents and partitions as main entries. Some small fraction of these are entered under their aliases, not their patent name. After all this is sorted out, and the alias linked (via deeds and other sources) to the original patents, my database still holds 32 entries (including PATRICKS DISCOVERY) which are unidentified, even with substantial effort. I just undertook an expanded re-look for any other unaccounted 150 acre pieces in the general area, and came up dry. So this question seems to be beyond my capacity... > >Insufficient data. But on 2120 of the 2152 properties, there's enough. > >John > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:33:00 -0500 >From: marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net> >Subject: Re: [LDR] mystery property >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <89f244ab0901250633y5bfdf56fmd3d6a705eb4da036@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >John Lyon wrote: ><After all this is sorted out, and the alias linked (via deeds and other >sources) to the original patents, my database still holds 32 entries >(including PATRICKS DISCOVERY) which are unidentified, even with substantial >effort. > >John, > I am very grateful for your continued responses to help me with the morass >of property data which you have miraculously (to me/tremendous effort on >your part) sorted out. > >The reason I continue to persist in this is my attempt to prove/disprove the >wife/wives of Richard Lockwood and thus his children and their parents. His >son Benjamin reported that he was raised at Trappe, the one near present day >Berlin. > >I have been looking at the men (and their families) mentioned in the >documents about Richard Lockwood: >Hugh Tingle, Walter Evans, Walter Powell, Wm Walton, Charles Showell ><Samuel, Richard Hudson, Job Truitt<George, Richard Holland, Wm Kennett, >Williams Records/Rickards, Benjamin Burton, James Round, and Wm Turvill. > >All of these men held an abundance of acreage south of St. Martin's River >and north of Snow Hill; many were Quakers and many appear repeatedly on the >Somerset Baltimore Hd. Tax Lists next to or close to Richard Lockwood >(various spellings) in addition to Walter Taylor. > >Men whom appear near him, or his widow Mary, at least once: John Pattey, >Henry Alexander, RIchard Murray, Thomas Collins, Edmund Crapper/Cropper, >Robert Hill, John Newbold, Absolom Bessix, David Johnson, Samuel Hopkins, Wm >Hook (lived on *"Smith's 1st Choice"*), Abraham Smith, John Holloway, >Richard Waters and Thomas Farewell. > >I particularly wonder about: >William Walton * "Neighbourhood" *1400A >Seaboard side in a neck of land called Sinepuxent. . .formerly surveyed for >William Tomkins?near a bay or sound called Newhaven. . .to a Sandy Landing. >. .to mouth of a small creeke called Carmell Creeke ?.. Easternmost side of >Herring Creek March 22, 1678 >+ Transylvania, 800; Exon, 250 > >Walter Powell: Greenfield 300A; Olivers Portion150A. Winter Quarter 200A; >Friends Guift 250A; Powells Adicon 50A (We already know about Powell's >Inclusion and Hillard's Discovery.) > >Sameul Showell: *"Cropton"* 800A [Ruth Dryden: Cropton pat 18 June 1679 by >Wm Stevens. Coldham says 25 Nov 1679 by Thomas Shewell], assigned to Samuel >Showell who willed to sons Jonathan and Armwell [and, I add, Charles]. >Armwell willed to his son Samuel who sold in bits & pieces from 1725 on. >Charles Showell: Showell's Addition 166/76A and pt of Cropton. > >John Evans *"Patrick's Lott" 100A 1747 transferred *(1744 warrant in name >of Paul Alexander) [if John<John<Walter would be nephew of Gammage, spouse >of Rachel of Richard Lockwood)] >John Patrick* "Patrick's Lott" 100A 1751 *son of Rory Patrick [west of >Assateague Bay, back in the wood on the w side of a swamp next to >Pinder's/Pendal's Neglect 100A 1680 just n or s of St. Martin's River] > >Roger/Rory? Patrick "Patrick's Hill" 700A 1673 > >Powell Pattey/Potey *"Pattey's Discovery" 318A 1752* patent (resurvey of >"Murrays Discovery" 132A 1747 James Murray, w of rd along Chapel Branch, St; >Martin's) >+ "Potey's/Patey's Invention" 1757 Chapel branch next to James Hogg > >Some of the above are probably too far north. I do not expect details on all >of the above but I would be very appreciative if you would give it your once >over and pass on anything you consider worth pursuing. > >Thanks for your generous and repeated help. > >On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 7:44 AM, <Johnlyon0@cs.com> wrote: > >> marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net> wrote: >> >> >John Lyon, >> >Do these 2 properties have any relavance to the mystery of the "150A >> >dwelling plantation" of Richard Lockwood d1737? <snip> >> >> ________________ >> >> Your DOUBLE PURCHASE was a 1744 resurvey of POWELLS INCLUSION, which >> adjoined HILLIARDS DISCOVERY. These were about 2 miles northwest of Berlin. >> >> Referring to the 1734 Debt Book, the 256 ac POWELLS INCLUSION and 150 ac >> HILLIARDS DISCOVERY were assessed in their entirety, half of each to Daniel >> Tingle and Gammage Evans. >> >> This would therefore exclude either as a candidate to include the >> mysterious PATRICKS DISCOVERY. All acreage was accounted for. >> The "adjoining" Daniel Tingle land mentioned in the deeds was part of both >> involved tracts. >> >> The resurvey DOUBLE PURCHASE does cite its own rectification of substantial >> overlap of POWELLS INCLUSION with elder surveys in the vicinity. But I >> don't see room in all this for PATRICKS DISCOVERY to have been any sort of >> element. >> >> A statistic: the 1734 Debt Book specifies 2152 patents and partitions as >> main entries. Some small fraction of these are entered under their aliases, >> not their patent name. After all this is sorted out, and the alias linked >> (via deeds and other sources) to the original patents, my database still >> holds 32 entries (including PATRICKS DISCOVERY) which are unidentified, even >> with substantial effort. I just undertook an expanded re-look for any other >> unaccounted 150 acre pieces in the general area, and came up dry. So this >> question seems to be beyond my capacity... >> >> Insufficient data. But on 2120 of the 2152 properties, there's enough. >> >> John >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >-- >Marjorie >"Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to >play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:51:21 -0500 >From: Johnlyon0@cs.com >Subject: Re: [LDR] mystery property >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <77DB8730.616B8C91.025CBFE9@cs.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >marjorie adams <marjea@wildblue.net> wrote: > >>The reason I continue to persist in this is my attempt to prove/disprove the >>wife/wives of Richard Lockwood and thus his children and their parents. His >>son Benjamin reported that he was raised at Trappe, the one near present day >>Berlin. <snip> > >I applaud your enthusiasm, but at this point, I can only say that some questions don?t have answers within my data. The surviving records, while extraordinary in their completeness, also have limits; various odds and ends are missing, and clerical errors of one kind or another have misplaced or mis-described things (some of which I can overcome with a global perspective which allows correction of some single-point source mistake or omission). If I?ve overlooked something, to field your question about the many properties you list would basically require re-examining all of them - or Baltimore Hundred in toto - to look for a clue, which may not be there, anyway. Weeks or more of work, and prospective return on investment is very, very small. > >As a pragmatist who has also run into the end of the line in similar cases, I just don?t have any further suggestions. My bag of tricks is exhausted. All barrels have a bottom, and this one has been scraped. > >John > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:02:52 -0500 >From: Johnlyon0@cs.com >Subject: Re: [LDR] help deciphering will language >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5494834C.51099946.025CBFE9@cs.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Yes, and the will further specifies: > >To granddaughter Tabitha Morgan - the first child that my Negro woman Esther shall have after this date > >To granddaughter Peggy Morgan - the second child that my Negro woman Esther shall have after this date > >To daughter Betty - Negro Esther after my wife's death > >* > >This sort of construction is common in the wills. Female slaves were the gift that kept on giving, as it were. > >John > > >"W.F. Stephens" <wfstephens@verizon.net> wrote: > >>As I read this it means that John Timmons bequeathed the slave woman, >>Easther to his wife, but not any children Easther may bear after her >>ownership transfers to the wife. >> >>Woody Stephens >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Heather Binder" <heathertimmonsbinder@yahoo.com> >>To: <lower-delmarva-roots-l@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:09 PM >>Subject: [LDR] help deciphering will language >> >> >>This may be obvious to many of you, but I want to make sure I clearly >>understand the phrase/excerpt below, from the 1792 will of John Timmons of >>Sussex County: >> >>"...for my wife. Also a Negro woman named Easther, the increase of Easther >>excepted..." >> >>Thanks in advance for your help! >> >>Heather Timmons Binder >>Illinois >> >> >> >> >>*************************************** >>QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>*************************************** >>QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) >From: Heather Binder <heathertimmonsbinder@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [LDR] Thanks for the help deciphering will >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <390535.90105.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Thank you to those of you who replied to my post - and especially to John for going above and beyond to read the full text.? >This list is and its members are THE BEST! >? >Heather > >--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> wrote: > >From: Johnlyon0@cs.com <Johnlyon0@cs.com> >Subject: Re: [LDR] help deciphering will language >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 10:02 AM > >Yes, and the will further specifies: > >To granddaughter Tabitha Morgan - the first child that my Negro woman Esther >shall have after this date > >To granddaughter Peggy Morgan - the second child that my Negro woman Esther >shall have after this date > >To daughter Betty - Negro Esther after my wife's death > >* > >This sort of construction is common in the wills. Female slaves were the gift >that kept on giving, as it were. > >John > > >"W.F. Stephens" <wfstephens@verizon.net> wrote: > >>As I read this it means that John Timmons bequeathed the slave woman, >>Easther to his wife, but not any children Easther may bear after her >>ownership transfers to the wife. >> >>Woody Stephens >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Heather Binder" <heathertimmonsbinder@yahoo.com> >>To: <lower-delmarva-roots-l@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:09 PM >>Subject: [LDR] help deciphering will language >> >> >>This may be obvious to many of you, but I want to make sure I clearly >>understand the phrase/excerpt below, from the 1792 will of John Timmons of >>Sussex County: >> >>"...for my wife. Also a Negro woman named Easther, the increase of >Easther >>excepted..." >> >>Thanks in advance for your help! >> >>Heather Timmons Binder >>Illinois >> >> >> >> >>*************************************** >>QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>*************************************** >>QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:27:11 -0500 >From: Jim Moore <moorejl@gmail.com> >Subject: [LDR] FOWLER of northern Sussex >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <846bb6b30901252027p28be7835ndcf88e3e9cded2fc@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Folks: Tabitha Layton, daughter of Louder Layton and Tabitha Laws of >Milford, married a FOWLER about 1785. Seeking name of this Fowler. >This marriage started interactions between Laytons and Fowlers that >continued well into the 1800s. Recently found some Delaware Fowlers in >Ohio, so I'm wondering if my inability to find this couple in DE might be >because they immigrated westward ... along with about half of Delmarva! >Jim Moore >Wilmington > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to >LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 29 >***************************************************