There is also a possibility that this Ann was raped. For some reason, women took all the blame for everything in that sort of thing, while the men were just either "being boys" or "sowing their wild oats". Just a thought. Elizabeth In a message dated 8/18/2010 2:41:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: <To embarrassed to let it see the light of day.> Nothing at all to be embarrassed about, Glenn. The activity occurred almost three centuries ago, so no one living had a thing to do with it. I don't mind finding such incidents, as it surely trumps (at least in my view) the boring and mundane born, married (or not), had issue and died. Period. Plus, this provides opportunity for any surname-bearing Shiles descendant who can't seem to connect to this tiny family, to try a Bloodsworth possibility via DNA matching. If Ann Shiles' child lived, it would surely bear the Shiles name. We can all cite instances where that didn't happen, but I'm saying it's a better than even chance. Before John Lyon's very helpful post, either of your theories was plausible, as we had nothing further on which to build a case one way or the other. Until reading your post, I didn't know about the 1773 sale of land in SC by Thomas and Ann Shiles, which is certainly interesting. I had forgotten all about Ann as I don't have her entered as a child of anyone, merely having that reference to her under Merrick Ellis. Thanks to John, I can limit my response as to whose child Ann might be and at least enter her with a question mark. Now knowing that Ann was single, thereby having to be a daughter of either Thomas or John Shiles, I think we may eliminate John (d. 1714). He had two known children, John and Bridget, with John dying intestate c1760 unmarried, so his sister Bridget Rencher's daughters, Ann Waller Huggins and Bridget Chapley/Chaplain, ended up with his land per a 1782 deed from John Crockett to Levin Gale (H:77). Ann Huggins sold her half to William Rencher in 1760; I don't know what happened to Bridget's half as I didn't need to know for my investigation at the time I was researching. Not that's this is germane in this discussion, but in this review, I'm wondering how two of Bridget Rencher's three daughters and not any of her three sons received John Shiles' considerable amount of land which included Might Have Had More. Having dispensed with John (d. 1714) as a father for Ann Shiles, that leaves Thomas (d. 1719), of whose six children only the three daughters' births (Alice 1689, Elizabeth 1692, Sarah 1694) were recorded, leaving sons Thomas and John to be placed as his children by tax list and other means, with son Edmund placed only because his daughter Elizabeth, who was baptized Stepney Parish, left a will and by identification of her devisees it can be fairly safely presumed that Edmund is Thomas' son. There's a gap between Edmund b. c1708 and his brothers of almost a decade. Ann, the subject of discussion, could easily fit within that gap but is speculation. Becky ________________________________ From: Glenn Major DVM <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:31:45 PM Subject: [LDR] Ann the fornicator In a dark corner of our genealogy files all of us Thomas Shiles ancestor have this file hidden away. To embarrassed to let it see the light of day. Levy list of Somerset County -- 1724 Merrick Ellis for Ann Shiles for fornication -- 600 (Citizens of the Eastern Shore of Maryland, 1659-1750 By F. Edward Wright) This leaves the questions: Who was Ann Shiles and did she really fornicate? Who was Ann? Lets assume it was MISS Ann Shiles: Merrick Ellis was married to Alice Elzey(1690-1740), Alice and her mother, Major Waller(1664- ), were namesakes of Alice Elzey's grandmother Alice Major whose second marriage was to Thomas Shiles, the emigrant Shiles. Thomas Shiles left two sons, Thomas Shiles Jr. and John Shiles. If the age of fornication is roughly 16-30 years of age, Ann would be born in the ~1694-1708 range. This would make her a as of yet undocumented daughter of either Thomas Shiles Jr. or John Shiles. Lets assume it was Mrs. Ann Shiles: Then she and and her husband might have been Quakers. After 1700 the Church of England hijacked civic affairs, and Quakers were uncooperative. Ann may have been accused of fornication for not registering her marriage with the church. Her husband, of course, would not be accused. In 1660 Thomas Shiles, the emigrant grandfather, was apprehended as a Quaker and sentenced to receive 20 stripes on his bare back. Prospective husband---Thomas Shiles III, son Thomas Shiles Jr.. Thomas Shiles III was noted as " gone to Carolina" in the 1755 Worchester Debt Book. Thomas Shiles, acquires land in Chatham Co. NC in 1762. In 1773, Thomas Shiles and ANN SHILES sell land in Edgefield SC awarded by Gov. Charles Montagu conceivably for service during the Cherokee War. Captain Thomas Shiles returns to Somerset and in 1775 testified in court about a confrontation with a Loyalist militia. Bests, Glenn *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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