Dear Joe, I don't have an answer in terms of your question as to the geographic reach of the NewCastle Court in the 1600s. However, your area grouping, that pre-dates and ignores the formal boundaries between these various states, seems to have remained an historical reality up until, at least, the late 1800s. As an example, in one family in my line had most of the children born in the early 1800s born in Cecil County, Maryland. Through the 1860s the children then moved freely among Chester/Delaware counties PA, New Castle (Wilmington) DE, and Burlington Co., NJ (with Washington, DC as an outlier). These movements occurred both during the childrens' respective lifetimes and with their descendants. A snapshot of this "regional" alignment is that four brothers were in the Civil War: one in the 10th NJ Inf, one in the 6th MD inf, one in the 72nd PA inf, and one in the Confederate Army. I haven't made this point before because this "upper Chesapeake, Brandywine, Delaware" area is out at the very edge of "Delmarva" -- but it's reality seems confirmed by the common dialect shared throughout the region right up to the present. I wonder if others on the list have seen the same intra-regional movement in their families. Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA On May 5, 2010, at 12:00 AM, lower-delmarva-roots- [email protected] wrote: > > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Administrivia > > For information about the Lower Delmarva Roots Mailing List, > including list guidelines and instructions for unsubscribing and > subscribing, see the LDRoots FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Court at New Castle 1676-1681 under Edmund Andros, Gov. for > NY/NJ/PA & DE areas for part or all of the Duke of York period > ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 22:55:50 -0700 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDR] Court at New Castle 1676-1681 under Edmund Andros, Gov. > for NY/NJ/PA & DE areas for part or all of the Duke of York period > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > List: Don't think I've asked this before, but if I have my > apologies. Not really a > question...it's hypothetical, or if you prefer, for the sake of > discussion. > > The English had just recaptured the area from the Dutch; local > borders were fluid or > undesignated; distances were long and communication slow; (it's > said) residents often > did "business" at the most convenient place distance wise. > > There was a court at Upland (now Delaware Co, PA), a court at Lewes > and the New > Castle Court. (no court in Kent until c1681-2). I haven't found > the location of the > court, if any, in Cecil Co, MD (adjacent to New Castle Co....maybe > at Elkton). > > The plaintiff, a British subject, in the account below owned farm > land but was > supposedly a resident of New Castle (town). The residence (or > identity, other than > the name) of Samuel Hopkins is unknown. > > It seems to me that current county borders were fairly meaningless > in 1673. So what > is the logical geographic area for the New Castle Court? New > Castle and parts of > Kent plus indefinite fringes on all sides (except the water side)? > The Susquehanna > River was a land travel inconvenience on the West side of Cecil Co, > MD so maybe a > significant part of that county? > > Hypothetically then.....what's logical (or perhaps there *is* a > real answer)? Any > thoughts? > > > > > Joe Lake > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an > email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an > email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER- > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 129 > ****************************************************

HI ALL, BACK OUT OF THE HOPPITOL AND TRYING TO CATCH UP ON MY MAIL. ONE BRANACH OF MY LINE, THE CHICKS AND TURNERS CAME OUT OF THIS AREA. ONE OF MY CHICKS HAS TWO MARRIAGE DATES TO THE SAME WIFE, ONE IN CECIL CO. AND ONE IN BRANDYWINE 100 DELAWARE. SHE WAS A TURNER. THEY MUST HAVE JUMPED STATE BORDERS OR LIVED 100' ON EACH SIDE. GOD BLESS, NORAH COLLINS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Fallin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: [LDR] Vol 5, Issue 129; Parts of DE/PA/MD/NJ remained a "region", long after the Duke of York > Dear Joe, > > I don't have an answer in terms of your question as to the geographic > reach of the NewCastle Court in the 1600s. > > However, your area grouping, that pre-dates and ignores the formal > boundaries between these various states, seems to have remained an > historical reality up until, at least, the late 1800s. As an > example, in one family in my line had most of the children born in > the early 1800s born in Cecil County, Maryland. Through the 1860s > the children then moved freely among Chester/Delaware counties PA, > New Castle (Wilmington) DE, and Burlington Co., NJ (with Washington, > DC as an outlier). These movements occurred both during the > childrens' respective lifetimes and with their descendants. A > snapshot of this "regional" alignment is that four brothers were in > the Civil War: one in the 10th NJ Inf, one in the 6th MD inf, one in > the 72nd PA inf, and one in the Confederate Army. > > I haven't made this point before because this "upper Chesapeake, > Brandywine, Delaware" area is out at the very edge of "Delmarva" -- > but it's reality seems confirmed by the common dialect shared > throughout the region right up to the present. I wonder if others on > the list have seen the same intra-regional movement in their families. > > Jack Fallin > Walnut Creek, CA > > > On May 5, 2010, at 12:00 AM, lower-delmarva-roots- > [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Administrivia >> >> For information about the Lower Delmarva Roots Mailing List, >> including list guidelines and instructions for unsubscribing and >> subscribing, see the LDRoots FAQ: >> >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Court at New Castle 1676-1681 under Edmund Andros, Gov. for >> NY/NJ/PA & DE areas for part or all of the Duke of York period >> ([email protected]) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 22:55:50 -0700 >> From: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [LDR] Court at New Castle 1676-1681 under Edmund Andros, Gov. >> for NY/NJ/PA & DE areas for part or all of the Duke of York period >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> >> List: Don't think I've asked this before, but if I have my >> apologies. Not really a >> question...it's hypothetical, or if you prefer, for the sake of >> discussion. >> >> The English had just recaptured the area from the Dutch; local >> borders were fluid or >> undesignated; distances were long and communication slow; (it's >> said) residents often >> did "business" at the most convenient place distance wise. >> >> There was a court at Upland (now Delaware Co, PA), a court at Lewes >> and the New >> Castle Court. (no court in Kent until c1681-2). I haven't found >> the location of the >> court, if any, in Cecil Co, MD (adjacent to New Castle Co....maybe >> at Elkton). >> >> The plaintiff, a British subject, in the account below owned farm >> land but was >> supposedly a resident of New Castle (town). The residence (or >> identity, other than >> the name) of Samuel Hopkins is unknown. >> >> It seems to me that current county borders were fairly meaningless >> in 1673. So what >> is the logical geographic area for the New Castle Court? New >> Castle and parts of >> Kent plus indefinite fringes on all sides (except the water side)? >> The Susquehanna >> River was a land travel inconvenience on the West side of Cecil Co, >> MD so maybe a >> significant part of that county? >> >> Hypothetically then.....what's logical (or perhaps there *is* a >> real answer)? Any >> thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> Joe Lake >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an >> email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an >> email to [email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER- >> [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 129 >> **************************************************** > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >