I am going through my e-mails, filing and deleteing. This is why this is such an old e-mail. I am also looking for information about Conestoga Manor, Lancaster Co PA. This appears to have been the proprietary lands of Wm Penn. I think my Theophilus Simonton I, his wife, Mary Smith; their children: (1) Theophilus II, b. abt 1705, who d. in 1750 in Lancaster Co PA, (may have m. __ Frame); (2) Robert, b. abt 1710 ( m. Margaret ?-Gaston); (3)Ann, b abt 1720, m. Andrew Allison; (4)Magdalene b. 31 Aug 1725, m. Thomas Allison; and (5)Mary b. abt 1722, m. Samuel Thornton; (6)William, m. Mary McKee, all lived on this land until 1754 or later, when Theophilus I died. I think Theophilus I is buried in PA, his will was probated in Rowan Co NC. His widow, Mary Smith Simonton, attempted to sue James Patterson about the land in PA. after the family had left PA and moved to then Rowan Co NC. This suit was written about in the Backwoods book, but cannot find evidence of it. The will packet of Theophilus II, in Lancaster Co PA, is empty, can find no bonds, etc, I wonder if at this death, the family realized they did not actually own the land. Mary Smith Simonton was the sister of Archibald Smith, who d. and left will, 1729, Lewes, Sussex Co DE. In the will, Archibald stated that Theophilus Simonton was the husband of his sister, Mary, and that there were 6 children in the family. In Archibald Smith's will, he left to Theophilus and Mary, 350 acres formerly belonging to James Barrs. I have never found the location of this land. Thanks to all.... Jackie Helmke [email protected] This message has been screened by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] lower three counties of Pennsylvania > > Re request for more information "Warrants & Surveys by Weinberg & > Slattery": > > Heritage Quest: In a reasonably complete, but quick search, I did not > find a copy of > Weinberg/Slattery on Heritage Quest. > > Google: The Weinberg/Slattery book has multiple listings here. All were > listed > either "No or limited preview" (which means no "serious" research of the > book can be > accomplished on Google). > > LDS Library, Salt Lake City: They have the Weinberg/Slattery book listed > in their > catalog. The book may be used in the library at Salt Lake. There is a > film copy of > the book which may be rented & viewed through the Family History Center > nearest your > home (the price is generally 5.00-7.00 for a 3 week rental). > > I did not look beyond the above three "likely" (for finding such a book) > places. The > book may (or may not) be available elsewhere on line. > > Joe Lake > > > From: "John Johnson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [LDR] lower three counties of Pennsylvania > > >> Anyone, >> >> I am confused. Is this book online or not? >> >> "Warrants and surveys of the province of Pennsylvania including the three >> lower >> counties" >> by - Allen Weinberg and Thomas Slattery >> >> John >> >> I got the impression from these messages that it was online, but I can't >> find it. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Polk<mailto:[email protected]> >> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [LDR] lower three counties of Pennsylvania >> >> >> Joe - >> >> Thanks. That helps put a perspective on this list. It also brings up a >> couple questions. Main one is whether there is a whole set of other >> Proprietary land papers which are distinct from the land records one >> normally accesses at the PA Archives. If so where are they archived. It >> would be nice to compare the other (non-Delaware) counties on Weinberg >> and >> Slattery's list against the warrants and patents index at the PA >> Archives >> site to see how they compare. That would take some time as they are >> organized differently. Another big question is whether the Proprietors >> had a >> master list (Rent Roll) of all the patented tracts from which they were >> supposed to be receiving rents. >> >> JP >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 16:09 >> Subject: Re: [LDR] lower three counties of Pennsylvania >> >> >> > John Polk .... >> > >> > The book "Warrants & Surveys of Col. PA. incl. 3 Lower Counties" is >> not on >> > Heritage >> > Quest, but is on Google Books (but with NO preview). The Salt Lake >> LDS >> > library also >> > has a copy, which has been filmed. >> > >> > The book listing on the Salt Lake Library Catalog contains the >> following >> > note, which >> > could be an underlying reason as to why the records you have checked >> have >> > been, >> > apparently, incomplete. The following note, however, was specifically >> on >> > the record >> > for the above book. >> > >> > Joe Lake >> > ====================================================================== >> > >> > Notes >> > Reprint of 1965 edition published by Department of Records, >> Philadelphia. >> > The Provincial Assembly representing the people of Pennsylvania were >> in >> > conflict with >> > the sons of William Penn who were the Proprietaries of the Province of >> > Pennsylvania. >> > Records of Warrants under the control of the Proprietaries and which >> > ordered surveys >> > to be made were not public records. This created confusion over >> property >> > rights and >> > boundaries. In 1759 the Assembly passed a law for recording warrants >> and >> > surveys. The >> > Proprietaries in 1760 brought the law before the King who vetoed it. >> In >> > the meantime, >> > the warrants were transcribed and made public. This is an index of >> names >> > recorded in >> > the warrants in the present-day Pennsylvania counties of Berks, Bucks, >> > Chester, >> > Cumberland, Lancaster, Northampton, Philadelphia, and York; and the >> three >> > counties >> > Kent, Newcastle, and Sussex making up Delaware >> > >> > >> ======================================================================== >> >> Mary - >> >> >> >> An index of the Pennsylvania land grants is on line at >> >> >> http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/land_records/3184<http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/land_records/3184> >> >> This includes grants issued in the lower three counties that became >> the >> >> state of Delaware when the Revolution started. As mentioned in an >> earlier >> >> note to LDR List (28 May), I have an issue with the relatively small >> >> number >> >> of grants appearing in the index for the lower three counties. It >> seem >> >> there >> >> ought to be more. I found a different list in "Warrants and Surveys >> of >> >> the >> >> Province of Pennsylvania including the Three Lower Counties," >> compiled by >> >> Allen Weinberg and Thomas Slattery, Department of Records, City of >> >> Philadelphia, 1965. This covers the colonial period up through 1759. >> I do >> >> not have the book at hand but did make a copy of the warrants just >> for >> >> New >> >> Castle County - 155 of them altogether. There are quite a few entries >> in >> >> this list which do not correspond to anything in the Pennsylvania >> Patents >> >> Index so it confirms to me that there are some tracts missing from >> the >> >> index. I will be happy to send you a copy of Weinberg and Slattery's >> list >> >> for New Castle if you want. >> >> >> >> I can't speak to the Irish Quakers coming into Pennsylvania under the >> >> Penns >> >> but there were some Quakers that came from Accomac into old Somerset >> when >> >> the county was first established (1662). You can read about them in >> >> Clayton >> >> Torrence's history of Somerset. They mostly came into the Annemessex >> area >> >> at >> >> first but some may also have gone into the parts of Somerset that >> later >> >> became part of Sussex County DE. >> >> >> >> John Polk >> >> Havre de Grace >> >> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message