Marjorie - I can only refer you to the will, the tax lists and the land records to sort this out. liz ----- Original Message ----- From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:09:56 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example Thanks Liz Elizabeth Innis dau of Wm who was son of Wm and Percis? I think her father's brother Cornelius m Elizabeth of Edward Smith whom I referred to earlier. Wm's bro Samuel m Mary of Edward and Wm'is sister Percis m Edward Smith Jr. John m Joyce > James and John You think John (jr) m Eliz innis? James m Merrium >John and James How do we know it is not this John? I am still trying to answer my own question. There was also a John Smith d 1733 Somerset. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, wrote: > thanks Marjorie yes that appears now to be the correct John Smith descended > from John and Joyce. I have no absolute evidence that the Elizabeth is the > wife of John but I think we have proven pretty clearly that there is no > James Smith in Bog. 100 in the tax lists up to 1740 and there is a John > Smith. Also the probate accounts list his name as John. Since both John > and Elizabeth name some of the same people in their wills I think it is > pretty clear they were married to each other and the children were her step > children from two marriages. Elizabeth is by the way Elizabeth Innis, only > heir of William Innis. She married first Edward Bowen d. 1720 then Joseph > Atkins d. 1722 and then John Bishop d? and then finally John Smith, d. 1740. > My interest in this whole thing has to do with Edward Bowen. Elizabeth was > apparently the second wife of John Smith, whose first wife is said to be > Bridget Cord. I haven't done the work on that so I can't confirm. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marjorie adams > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:38:00 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > Yes, zillions of John Smiths. If I have connected the wrong ones, I hope > you > will let me know. Maybe these wills will help. > > BTW, what is your evidence that Eliz, (widow of John) will 1743 was the > same > Eliz as the Eliz wife of James w 1740? > > The Accomack will date in my first message was obviously wrong=1777/78. > Will of John Smith Taylor (sic=tailor) 27 Oct 1677-19 Feb 1677 > To eldest son, George Smith 200 A. where I now live, reversion to his > brothers. Wife Joyce. To son James 150 A.adj. George's land. To son John > 150 > A. adj land of his bro. James, reversion to my youngest son Thomas. To dau. > Ann Hammon. Son in law Edward Hamon [sic]. To my 5 youngest children, > James, John, Thomas, Director & Joyce. Son in law Thomas Savage. To John > Tomson & his wife Rebecca. John Tomson, George Smith & Thomas Savage > overseers over my above named children. Sons to be at age at 18 & daus. at > 15. Witt. John Booth, Alexander Addison. - p. 8 Nottingham (p85) Will & > Deeds 1676 - 1690 (vi) > > a Joyce was in lower Accomack -see www.ghotes (Jim Lokenbauer's map) as > well > as a John and a James all A9 > > Liber 6 p34-35 transcription by Mike Hilton 3/09 LDR > The deposition of Thomas Smith aged about forty years & of Denham Olanman > aged about sixty-one years the said deponents both say that being at the > house of James Smith decd. the said Thomas Smith being there accidently & > the said Denham Olanman being sent for to witness what the said *James > Smith > * hath to declare as his mind & will before his death concerning his Estate > the said James Smith lying then on his death bed sick & weak of body did > disclose that he *left his land & plantation to his sons James & John* to > be divided equally between them in Moiety & that the said James & John & > another son by name George shall all be at age when arrived to the year of > 18. This the said deponents do affirm that the said James Smith desired > them > boith to bear witness unto & further saith not. Thomas Smith, Denham his A > mark Olanman. > Memorandum. That upon the 15th day of March 1692/3 came personally before > me > the two deponents above named & subscribers hereof & made oath upon the > holy > Evangilest [Bible] to the truth of all above written. > Witness my hand. Samuel Hopkins > Somerset County. Memorandum. That upon the probate made of the within > written & at the request of* Meriam Smith relict* of the within named James > Smith Letter of Administration granted the said Meriam & she swore her oath > of administratorship the 15th day of March before me. Samuel Hopkins > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > > > here's the problem. There were a zillion John Smiths! At this point I > > have only begun researching him and can not say whose son he is. i don't > > have any land records in my possession and have to use other means to > > determine father and if worst comes to worst I have to use the online > land > > records to see if they help. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: marjorie adams > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:23:40 -0000 (UTC) > > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > > > Liz and Elizabeth, I was not following the beginning of this thread so > you > > may have mentioned this before. James and John Smith were sons of James > > Smith d 1692 and married to Merium; his mother was Joyce m John Smith, > will > > Accomack 1977/78. I vote for Elizabeth's idea that perhaps Elizabeth, as > > widow Smith, m John after his brother James died--not an infrequent > > happening. > > > > {I have done only a little research on Smiths because of connections to > > Samuel Showell and the names Joyce and Merium, wives of Smiths, that were > > used in my LONG/LOCKWOOD family in the 1750s.} > > > > There was also an Edward Smith will 1687 Som. m Ann Showell will 1688 > Som., > > the sister of Samuel Showell. They had a son Armwell, a name which shows > > up,first uniquely I think, in the below-mentioned connected families. I > > have theorized that it was at first a surname in England in the Showell > > line > > that was then used as a given name by the Smith, Vigerous, Lockwood and > > Long > > families in the Colonies. After Armwell Long who was a locally famous Col > > in > > the War of 1812 in Sussex DE, it became somewhat widely used in Sussex. > > > > I really do research things other than names! > > Do you have a connection between James Smith and Edward, or do you have > > later Smiths in the James or John Smith line? > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > > > > > I did not know how to explain the below contradiction in the name of > the > > > husband of Elizabeth Smith. > > > > > > I can not understand why it is widow of John when it appears his name > was > > > James LOL. > > > > > > Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; > > > 27th Apr., 1740. > > > To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” > 430 > > > A. “Cords Lott”. > > > To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and > > > William, personalty. > > > To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. > > > Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. > > > 22. 172. > -- Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think Elizabeth, widow of John Smith, was a second wife, and not the mother of at least some of John Smith's children. In her will, this Elizabeth, widow, refers to some of the same children John Smith mentions, and that the admin posted here earlier mentions, as daughters-in-law, which probably means step-daughters. This Elizabeth, widow, also mentions several other daughters-in-law (Tamer Day, Charity Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins), about whom I wonder if they may also be another set of Elizabeth's step-daughters, perhaps children of a previous husband of Elizabeth's. Again the wills and one admin, as posted here eatlier: Smith, James, Sr.,Somerset Co.,23rd Mar., 1739-40; 27th Apr., 1740. To son John, ex., and hrs., 350 A. “Cow Quarter”, 200 A. “Isleington” 430 A. “Cords Lott”. To daus. Sarah, Bridgett, Diligents and Comfort and sons Charles and William, personalty. To wife Elizabeth, 1/3 estate. Test: Thomas Purkins, Race Clark, Samuel Showell. 22. 172. In one account for John Smith in 1741 (Lib 18, f. 242), executor was John Smith and mentions there was another son Thomas, deceased, and legacies left to William Smith, Sarah Hickman alias Smith, Diligence Richards alias Smith, Bridgit Sasield (?) alias Smith, Comfort Smith, Charles Smith and the Accountant (John Smith). Smith, Elizabeth, widow of John, All Hallows Parish, Somerset Co.,19th May, 1742; 10th March, 1742-3; 17th March, 1742-3. To cousin Sarah Patrick, dau.-in-law Sarah Hickman, and granddau. Bridget Hickman, personalty. To daus.-in-law Dillegane Rickard, Bridget Seasill, Tamer Day, Charity Maisey, Anne Bell and Elizabeth Collins, residue of estate. Exs.: Isaac Bell, John Rickard. Test: John Miller, Charles Mooney, Abraham Lynch. 23. 97. So because of this abstract of Elizabeth's will, it doesn't look as if Diligence and Bridget Smith were her own children. Good luck, Liz J On 26 July 2010 17:49, <[email protected]> wrote: > Marjorie - I can only refer you to the will, the tax lists and the land > records to sort this out. liz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marjorie adams <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:09:56 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LDR] Look at the original will - example > > Thanks Liz > > Elizabeth Innis dau of Wm who was son of Wm and Percis? I think her > father's brother Cornelius m Elizabeth of Edward Smith whom I referred to > earlier. Wm's bro Samuel m Mary of Edward and Wm'is sister Percis m Edward > Smith Jr. > > John m Joyce > James and John > You think John (jr) m Eliz innis? > James m Merrium >John and James > How do we know it is not this John? > I am still trying to answer my own question. > > There was also a John Smith d 1733 Somerset. >