Need help from someone who knows about DNA testing.  I am so new at this that I do not understand many of the conversations that you all are having. How do I go about finding the nationality of my maternal grandfather's maternal grandmother?  What kind of test kit do I order.   All persons are deceased.  The line goes like this:  my great-great grandmother..... my great grandmother ...... my grandfather ....... my mother..... and then me. Your recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Barbara Mc. On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:12 PM, Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> wrote: Patricia Before you decide what test you want to test your maternal side, ask yourself what you want to learn from the test. Your mother's mtDNA itself will NOT tell you a whole lot genealogically. MtDNA as many know is very deep ancestry. I have tested the whole thing which is called FGS  ( Full genome  sequence) and I know what I knew going into that test..that my oldest female to female to female only line goes to Cork c. 1840. I do know now one other family who matches me exactly BUT we are NOT cousin in genealogical time. We know THAT because we have tested ( each family) 10-12 of us with little to no "cousin matches". I f you do NOT really care to know your mother's mtDNA haplogroup then since you have already tested at Family Tree DNA I would test the Family Finder. You would then get a great deal of cousin matches back and can put some things together from that. If you DID want to know your mtDNA ( Which is the same as your mother's) as well as testing Family Finder then the cheapest test is that from 23andme. It will show Y DNA and mtDNA and autosomal matches ( at least twice as many as FTDNA) for the same $99. I have tested 13 of my family there. I will tell you that some of those kits I got for free from the very nice many who shares my mtDNA AND the fact that I was a Beta Tester there over 4 years ago. A great test and no, they are not in danger of not being in the business, just under FDNAscrutiny for the health part. There is also AncestryDNA which again only tests the autosomal part for that $99. ( I just went and double checked my cousins to be sure) My feeling is that 23andme is #1 and FTDNA is #2 best test. FTDNA is trying really hard to do just as well and doing a good  job. You can always e-mail me privately with questions.. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are 14 Shockley names in the Mt Olivet Cemetery in Talbott County at Findagrave.com. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:47 PM, <tarantulac@aol.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Norah! > I've been to the cemetery at Mt. Olivet Church, which is outside of Snow > Hill, near the Coulbourne District (both and west of Snow Hill). My > PopPop's infant sister is buried in that cemetery so I cruised down last > fall for a look. I only know that she is buried there because it was > recorded on her death certificate. > It is a lovely small church, located on Mt Olive Church Road, just off of > Route 12. There are several stones that are small with no inscriptions > that I could discern. There are several other stones, well marked and > readable, with varying dates from the 1900's and, if memory serves me > right, the late 1800's. > I contacted the pastor and spoke with his wife. There are some cemetery > records but they have apparently walked away or been misfiled or mislaid. > So basically what you see in the cemetery is what you get. > I don't know if anyone has ever walked the cemetery and transcribed the > stones that are legible. > I believe there were some Shockley's buried there but who and when, I do > not recall. > > > Teresa Derrickson > nee Chandler > > ------------------------------ > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2014 9:21:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lenorah123@comcast.net writes: > > HI LIZ, > JUST TO THROW SPANNERS IN THE WORKS A LOT OF US MD AND DEL DESCENDANTS > CAME > UP HERE FROM ACCOMACK CO. AS IN MY WESTERHOUSES, TAYLORS, DRISKELLS, AND > I > THINK MAYBE BYRDS AND LEGATES, TOWNSENDS ETC ETC ETC..... AND DOES > ANYONE > HAVE ANY IDEAS AS TO WHO MIGHT HAVE THE CHURCH RECORDS FOR MT OLIVET > CHURCH > ON SNOW HILL ROAD, ALMOST TO SNOW HILL? I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THE CEMETERY > RECORDS . SOMEBODY HAS TO KNOW WHAT PLOTS ARE OCCUPIED OR OWNED. MY > GGGRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED THERE IN THE BACK AND THE WOOD MARKERS ARE GONE > SINCE THE 1920'S OR SO. THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE CENSUS AFTER 1880. HE > WAS > SAMPSON C. SHOCKLEY AND I WAS UNABLE TO IDENTIFY HIS PARENTS. IF THERE > WERE > SHOCKLEYS BURIED IN THE SAME AREA IT MIGHT BE A CLUE. ANY INFO WOULD BE > WELCOME. > > TAKE CARE LIZ AND GOD BLESS, > KEEP 'EM STRAIGHT, > > NORAH HASTINGS COOPER COLLINS > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Norah! I've been to the cemetery at Mt. Olivet Church, which is outside of Snow Hill, near the Coulbourne District (both and west of Snow Hill). My PopPop's infant sister is buried in that cemetery so I cruised down last fall for a look. I only know that she is buried there because it was recorded on her death certificate. It is a lovely small church, located on Mt Olive Church Road, just off of Route 12. There are several stones that are small with no inscriptions that I could discern. There are several other stones, well marked and readable, with varying dates from the 1900's and, if memory serves me right, the late 1800's. I contacted the pastor and spoke with his wife. There are some cemetery records but they have apparently walked away or been misfiled or mislaid. So basically what you see in the cemetery is what you get. I don't know if anyone has ever walked the cemetery and transcribed the stones that are legible. I believe there were some Shockley's buried there but who and when, I do not recall. Teresa Derrickson nee Chandler ------------------------------ In a message dated 1/13/2014 9:21:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lenorah123@comcast.net writes: HI LIZ, JUST TO THROW SPANNERS IN THE WORKS A LOT OF US MD AND DEL DESCENDANTS CAME UP HERE FROM ACCOMACK CO. AS IN MY WESTERHOUSES, TAYLORS, DRISKELLS, AND I THINK MAYBE BYRDS AND LEGATES, TOWNSENDS ETC ETC ETC..... AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS AS TO WHO MIGHT HAVE THE CHURCH RECORDS FOR MT OLIVET CHURCH ON SNOW HILL ROAD, ALMOST TO SNOW HILL? I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THE CEMETERY RECORDS . SOMEBODY HAS TO KNOW WHAT PLOTS ARE OCCUPIED OR OWNED. MY GGGRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED THERE IN THE BACK AND THE WOOD MARKERS ARE GONE SINCE THE 1920'S OR SO. THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE CENSUS AFTER 1880. HE WAS SAMPSON C. SHOCKLEY AND I WAS UNABLE TO IDENTIFY HIS PARENTS. IF THERE WERE SHOCKLEYS BURIED IN THE SAME AREA IT MIGHT BE A CLUE. ANY INFO WOULD BE WELCOME. TAKE CARE LIZ AND GOD BLESS, KEEP 'EM STRAIGHT, NORAH HASTINGS COOPER COLLINS

You people on this list seem to know a lot about the DNA testing so maybe you can help me. We are fairly new to DNA and FamilyFinder and do not understand how it works. I have had DNA testing for my Dad (ROBISON) and a cousin from my mothers side (COX) done. I am looking to do the test for my mother, is it the mtDNA test ??? or what test should I do and shall I include FamilyFinder also? As you can see our knowledge of this is minimal. Any help will be appreciated On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com>wrote: > Joan, Elizabeth and Marjorie are correct, if your brother would agree > to test you could get pay for the kit and be responsible for it. I > think the Y12 ( only through surname groups) is still only $49. It is > a good start. > > Actually, as group Admin I can send it to you or him. Nothing will > happen until it is paid for but he can spit away. > > Again remember, that is ONLY the Y male line 1 % of the whole > genome.Nothing about other relatives. Just depends on what you want to > learn. > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth When I asked Vern Skinner ( who had done my Manlove/Townsend/Maloney for me..FOR the Maloney/Jones/Carrow line ) about it, he said "from information that I supplied to MK Miles".He had actually forgotten and then went and looked. He said there is a lot more so I asked him to look for Susanna. We are pretty sure that Susanna is a Manlove as her only 2 sons are named Manuel Meloney and William ( after the Meloney Grandfather).Also WIlliam Maloney the Grandfather or Uncle of Manuel and William Meloney/Maloney witnessed several deeds and had one land transaction with Mark Manlove. So Susanna COULD be a daughter of Mark and a sister or granddaughter to Manuel( Emanuel) Maloney. Others have the family pretty mixed up but Vern has always done great work for me. Better and cheaper than I could drive to DPA and get. I get confused with the films and the DPA folks get tired of helping me I think. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

Another day another topic for me..I stumbled across the Miles Files and found lots of updates. My 6th great Great GM Susanna Manlove was there with 3 husbands. Joseph Hickman, William Townsend and Richard Meloney/Maloney. Did not know about #1 and found that 2 of the Townsends married and had more Townsends. Which is surely why I get so many Townsend cousin matches. I asked Vern Skinner who did that part for me and he said it is good. The Sussex County Orphan's Court Proceedings, which he abstracted are considered good and recommended by the DPA. So Miles Files were updated 10/2103. Do they do that often? Guess I need to look. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

My original DAR Patriot William Keys and many others signed up in Christiana, they called it Christeen Bridge. His Regiment served with the Maryland troops and he was away until 1783. The MD and DE troops served at Camp Ashley River opposite Charleston SC to keep the British away from the city. They were ill clothed and fed and supposedly only duty soldiers could wear clothes, they passed them around. My John Carrow served in the MD Militia in 1776 and then donated corn inn Duck Creek DE. They lived in both places. He was harder to prove for that reason but shows both MD and DE. I can wear both pins because of that. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

The Miles Files are updated fairly frequently, and are generally quite accurate. Of course, with all the people marrying people to whom they are rather closely related (many of whom have the same first names as well), errors are always possible. Sometimes, information is submitted to Barry and MK from persons who have done extensive research of their own. Elizabeth In a message dated 1/14/2014 7:19:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kathlingram45@gmail.com writes: Another day another topic for me..I stumbled across the Miles Files and found lots of updates. My 6th great Great GM Susanna Manlove was there with 3 husbands. Joseph Hickman, William Townsend and Richard Meloney/Maloney. Did not know about #1 and found that 2 of the Townsends married and had more Townsends. Which is surely why I get so many Townsend cousin matches. I asked Vern Skinner who did that part for me and he said it is good. The Sussex County Orphan's Court Proceedings, which he abstracted are considered good and recommended by the DPA. So Miles Files were updated 10/2103. Do they do that often? Guess I need to look. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SORRY, THEY ARE NOT LISTED. DON'T YOU JUST LOVE PEOPLE WHO TAKE RECORDS? HAVE YOU TRIED LOOKING FOR AN ADMINISTRATION OR SOME MENTION IN COURT RECORDS? I KNOW THEY ARE NOT AS EASY TO FIND FOR MARYLAND AS THEY ARE IN DELAWARE AND VIRGINIA. THE WEATHER HERE HASN'T BEEN TOO BAD, EXCEPT THAT I NEED A BIGGER BOAT TO GET AROUND MY YARD. GOT ME A HORSE! ELIZABETH In a message dated 1/13/2014 10:47:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lenorah123@comcast.net writes: HI LIZ, HE WAS SAMPSON C. SHOCKLEY AND HIS WIFE WAS NAMED AMELIA OR MILLY HADDOCK SHOCKLEY. GRANDMOM HASTINGS SAID HER GRANDPARENTS WERE BURIED ALONG THE BACK NEAR THE WOODS, NOW GONE. A LADY SAID THE CEMETERY RECORDS DISAPPEARED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO WITH A DISGRUNTLED CHURCH MEMBER. MY GREAT GREAT AUNT WAS BURIED THERE IN THE 50S AND SO WAS THEIR GRANDSON SAMPSON IS BURIED THERE; BOTH WITH STONES. I'M LOOKING FOR SHOCKLEYS BURIED AROUND THE EARLY TO LATE 1800S. HE WAS MARRIED TO MILLY 1849 AND OWNED NO PROPERTY AND WASN'T IN ANY SNOW HILL WILLS. NORAH PS ITS COLD UP HERE IN PA -----Original Message----- From: EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:52 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Female DNA testing ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCE I CAN THINK OF WOULD BE THE CEMETERY RECORDS AND/OR THE HUDSON TATNALL LISTING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM, SEND ME THE NAMES AND I WILL LOOK. ELIZABETH In a message dated 1/13/2014 9:21:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lenorah123@comcast.net writes: HI LIZ, JUST TO THROW SPANNERS IN THE WORKS A LOT OF US MD AND DEL DESCENDANTS CAME UP HERE FROM ACCOMACK CO. AS IN MY WESTERHOUSES, TAYLORS, DRISKELLS, AND I THINK MAYBE BYRDS AND LEGATES, TOWNSENDS ETC ETC ETC..... AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS AS TO WHO MIGHT HAVE THE CHURCH RECORDS FOR MT OLIVET CHURCH ON SNOW HILL ROAD, ALMOST TO SNOW HILL? I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THE CEMETERY RECORDS . SOMEBODY HAS TO KNOW WHAT PLOTS ARE OCCUPIED OR OWNED. MY GGGRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED THERE IN THE BACK AND THE WOOD MARKERS ARE GONE SINCE THE 1920'S OR SO. THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE CENSUS AFTER 1880. HE WAS SAMPSON C. SHOCKLEY AND I WAS UNABLE TO IDENTIFY HIS PARENTS. IF THERE WERE SHOCKLEYS BURIED IN THE SAME AREA IT MIGHT BE A CLUE. ANY INFO WOULD BE WELCOME. TAKE CARE LIZ AND GOD BLESS, KEEP 'EM STRAIGHT, NORAH HASTINGS COOPER COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 7:20 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Female DNA testing Of course, but most of the listmembers are aware that I (or we, if I want to pretend to be royal!) live in Virginia. When referring to my chapter, I only mean one county - Accomack. Should have made myself clearer, but then I would have had to think. Elizabeth In a message dated 1/13/2014 7:16:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marjea@wildblue.net writes: When you say "We" on LDR you must define it as only VA of Delmarva if that is what you mean--to me MD and some of DE are also Lower Delmarva. Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:09 PM, <EMSCRS@aol.com> wrote: > Of course, but we did not lose any courthouses (we only have two anyway), > although many churches have burned. The difficulties and frustrations > experienced by those from burned counties are horrific. > > Elizabeth > > > In a message dated 1/13/2014 7:03:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marjea@wildblue.net writes: > > Elizabeth, but there were court house and church fires even without the > wars. > > Marjorie > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and > to > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:55 PM, <EMSCRS@aol.com> wrote: > > > No sense in reading it until someone wants to go that route. Mostly > > everyone here already knows their lines back to Adam and Eve, and we do > > have the > > documentation readily available. Lucky us - missed all the wars, at > least > > in terms of losing records. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2014 6:49:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > kathlingram45@gmail.com writes: > > > > Elizabeth > > Yes I see the DAR Is doing that. I should read up on it as I am the > > Registrar for my Chapter. Not sure how it would work and only the Y I > > would think, at least for now. > > As you said, still need a man for some things, Y testing is one. > > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > > Guild # 6449 > > > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Joan I do not see ANY John Bennett's listed from Delaware. All that means is that none of his descendants have ever attempted to "prove" their relationship to him.Caleb and Joseph is all there are. They are from New Castle. If you know what he did and have a paper trail to him it is not a problem. I could send you the practice PDF and you could play with it. Kathy Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

I WAS TOLD THAT THE METHODIST CHURCH ON MAIN STREET WAS POSSIBLY GIVEN THE RECORDS BUT COULD NEVER REACH ANYONE. I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT CHURCH. IT SAT ON THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET RIGHT AT THE LIGHT. I BELIEVE I HEARD THE CHURCH MOVED OR SOMETHING BUT UP HER IN PA AND NO LONGER ALLOWED TO DRIVE I'M STUCK. I WILL TRY TO REACH MY COUSIN BY PHONE AND GET THE CHURCH NAME. SHE WAS MARRIED THERE IN THE MID 60S. NORAH -----Original Message----- From: Jane McDonnell Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:40 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Female DNA testing NORAH, I HAVE SOME RELATIVES THAT STOPPED OFF IN THE SNOW HILL AREA ON THEIR WAY FROM ACCOMACK TO SUSSEX COUNTY. THERE ARE TOWNSENDS AND LOTS OF SHOCKLEYS A BIT NORTH OF SNOW HILL. I DON'T HAVE THEM IN MY TREE, BUT THEY ARE ALL OVER THE RECORDS. I BELIEVE SNOW HILL WAS THE PO ADDRESS FOR A REALLY LARGE AREA, IF THAT AFFECTS THE RECORDED LOCATION AT ALL FOR THE TIME YOU ARE LOOKING AT. IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC I CAN KEEP MY EYE OUT FOR? WHAT ARE THE DATES FOR SAMPSON? I TOO WOULD LOVE TO SEE MT. OLIVET'S CEMETERY'S RECORDS! A FEW OF THE MIGRATING FAMILIES STOPPED IN THE MANOKIN AREA TOO. JD *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

None of my ancestors that I proved in the DAR were from Virginia, just Delaware and Pennsylvania. No burned courthouses there. Joan, I proved ALL 5 of my ancestors as New Patriots. It is not so difficult. You find their service and prove yourself back to them. They do not need to have been a soldier, just to have done something to support the new nation. Like: jury duty,serve in an office( like constable), donate goods or money to the cause, even pay certain taxes to support the war effort. Unless they were a British sympathizer it is not hard. I even have one ancestor who had dealing with the British. Jonas Edenfield who was called the "Pirate of Bombay Hook" for selling beef and rum to the British Men O' War off the Delaware coast. He supposedly rowed around the creeks doing that. Hopefully they can't throw me out of the DAR For Jonas. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

HI, MY BRAIN IS A LITTLE RUST BUT I THINK SAMPSON C. WAS BORN AROUND 1824 IN WORCESTOR CO. FAY BROOKS HELPED ME LOOK THROUGH ALL THE SHOCKLY WILLS AND MATCH THEM TO ANY SHOCKLEYS IN THE 1830 AND 1840 CENSUS SHOWING MALES IN THE AGE RANGE IN THE HOUSEHOLD. HIS WIFE AMELIA HADDOCK, I HAVE HER TREE. HER MOM WAS SALLY TOWNSEND DAU OF LEVIN AND SHE IS MENTIONED IN HIS WILL ALONG WITH HER MARRIED NAME. HER HUSBAND MUST NOT HAVE BEEN A PRIZE OR SOMETHING CAUSE LEVIN DIDN'T LEAVE HER ANYTHING. OH, FOR THE 1890 CENSUS...BUT ANY SHOCKLEYS BURIED IN THERE WAY BACK COULD BE FAMILY. -----Original Message----- From: Jane McDonnell Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:40 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Female DNA testing NORAH, I HAVE SOME RELATIVES THAT STOPPED OFF IN THE SNOW HILL AREA ON THEIR WAY FROM ACCOMACK TO SUSSEX COUNTY. THERE ARE TOWNSENDS AND LOTS OF SHOCKLEYS A BIT NORTH OF SNOW HILL. I DON'T HAVE THEM IN MY TREE, BUT THEY ARE ALL OVER THE RECORDS. I BELIEVE SNOW HILL WAS THE PO ADDRESS FOR A REALLY LARGE AREA, IF THAT AFFECTS THE RECORDED LOCATION AT ALL FOR THE TIME YOU ARE LOOKING AT. IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC I CAN KEEP MY EYE OUT FOR? WHAT ARE THE DATES FOR SAMPSON? I TOO WOULD LOVE TO SEE MT. OLIVET'S CEMETERY'S RECORDS! A FEW OF THE MIGRATING FAMILIES STOPPED IN THE MANOKIN AREA TOO. JD *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

" traveling to distant places" would be my trip to Ireland in June.. although I know some Irish cousins.. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

HI LIZ, HE WAS SAMPSON C. SHOCKLEY AND HIS WIFE WAS NAMED AMELIA OR MILLY HADDOCK SHOCKLEY. GRANDMOM HASTINGS SAID HER GRANDPARENTS WERE BURIED ALONG THE BACK NEAR THE WOODS, NOW GONE. A LADY SAID THE CEMETERY RECORDS DISAPPEARED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO WITH A DISGRUNTLED CHURCH MEMBER. MY GREAT GREAT AUNT WAS BURIED THERE IN THE 50S AND SO WAS THEIR GRANDSON SAMPSON IS BURIED THERE; BOTH WITH STONES. I'M LOOKING FOR SHOCKLEYS BURIED AROUND THE EARLY TO LATE 1800S. HE WAS MARRIED TO MILLY 1849 AND OWNED NO PROPERTY AND WASN'T IN ANY SNOW HILL WILLS. NORAH PS ITS COLD UP HERE IN PA -----Original Message----- From: EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:52 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Female DNA testing ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCE I CAN THINK OF WOULD BE THE CEMETERY RECORDS AND/OR THE HUDSON TATNALL LISTING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM, SEND ME THE NAMES AND I WILL LOOK. ELIZABETH In a message dated 1/13/2014 9:21:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lenorah123@comcast.net writes: HI LIZ, JUST TO THROW SPANNERS IN THE WORKS A LOT OF US MD AND DEL DESCENDANTS CAME UP HERE FROM ACCOMACK CO. AS IN MY WESTERHOUSES, TAYLORS, DRISKELLS, AND I THINK MAYBE BYRDS AND LEGATES, TOWNSENDS ETC ETC ETC..... AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS AS TO WHO MIGHT HAVE THE CHURCH RECORDS FOR MT OLIVET CHURCH ON SNOW HILL ROAD, ALMOST TO SNOW HILL? I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THE CEMETERY RECORDS . SOMEBODY HAS TO KNOW WHAT PLOTS ARE OCCUPIED OR OWNED. MY GGGRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED THERE IN THE BACK AND THE WOOD MARKERS ARE GONE SINCE THE 1920'S OR SO. THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE CENSUS AFTER 1880. HE WAS SAMPSON C. SHOCKLEY AND I WAS UNABLE TO IDENTIFY HIS PARENTS. IF THERE WERE SHOCKLEYS BURIED IN THE SAME AREA IT MIGHT BE A CLUE. ANY INFO WOULD BE WELCOME. TAKE CARE LIZ AND GOD BLESS, KEEP 'EM STRAIGHT, NORAH HASTINGS COOPER COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 7:20 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Female DNA testing Of course, but most of the listmembers are aware that I (or we, if I want to pretend to be royal!) live in Virginia. When referring to my chapter, I only mean one county - Accomack. Should have made myself clearer, but then I would have had to think. Elizabeth In a message dated 1/13/2014 7:16:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marjea@wildblue.net writes: When you say "We" on LDR you must define it as only VA of Delmarva if that is what you mean--to me MD and some of DE are also Lower Delmarva. Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:09 PM, <EMSCRS@aol.com> wrote: > Of course, but we did not lose any courthouses (we only have two anyway), > although many churches have burned. The difficulties and frustrations > experienced by those from burned counties are horrific. > > Elizabeth > > > In a message dated 1/13/2014 7:03:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marjea@wildblue.net writes: > > Elizabeth, but there were court house and church fires even without the > wars. > > Marjorie > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and > to > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:55 PM, <EMSCRS@aol.com> wrote: > > > No sense in reading it until someone wants to go that route. Mostly > > everyone here already knows their lines back to Adam and Eve, and we do > > have the > > documentation readily available. Lucky us - missed all the wars, at > least > > in terms of losing records. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2014 6:49:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > kathlingram45@gmail.com writes: > > > > Elizabeth > > Yes I see the DAR Is doing that. I should read up on it as I am the > > Registrar for my Chapter. Not sure how it would work and only the Y I > > would think, at least for now. > > As you said, still need a man for some things, Y testing is one. > > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > > Guild # 6449 > > > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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NORAH, I HAVE SOME RELATIVES THAT STOPPED OFF IN THE SNOW HILL AREA ON THEIR WAY FROM ACCOMACK TO SUSSEX COUNTY. THERE ARE TOWNSENDS AND LOTS OF SHOCKLEYS A BIT NORTH OF SNOW HILL. I DON'T HAVE THEM IN MY TREE, BUT THEY ARE ALL OVER THE RECORDS. I BELIEVE SNOW HILL WAS THE PO ADDRESS FOR A REALLY LARGE AREA, IF THAT AFFECTS THE RECORDED LOCATION AT ALL FOR THE TIME YOU ARE LOOKING AT. IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC I CAN KEEP MY EYE OUT FOR? WHAT ARE THE DATES FOR SAMPSON? I TOO WOULD LOVE TO SEE MT. OLIVET'S CEMETERY'S RECORDS! A FEW OF THE MIGRATING FAMILIES STOPPED IN THE MANOKIN AREA TOO. JD

Lol--the 1778 roster of loyalty oath signees for Caroline County has not one of my Nicholite (or otherwise Methodist--pacifist, anyway) Nichol line--though my Nichols cousins are well-represented! No worries; I have plenty of Revolutionary vets in other quarters... Bob Nichol ----- Original Message ----- From: EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: 01/13/14 09:54 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] NSDAR And, if this John Bennett did not serve, but did sign the Oath of Allegiance, he is still eligible. He may even have done whatever he did in Maryland - I have several ancestors proved to have lived in DE, but filed most of their records in MD, just because it was closer (and sometimes their properties crossed the state line). Elizabeth In a message dated 1/13/2014 9:44:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdmcdonnell@comcast.net writes: Marjorie's post reminds me, some Delaware soldiers, especially naval, signed up in Philadelphia. JD *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ***************************************! QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! --Robert Burns

And, if this John Bennett did not serve, but did sign the Oath of Allegiance, he is still eligible. He may even have done whatever he did in Maryland - I have several ancestors proved to have lived in DE, but filed most of their records in MD, just because it was closer (and sometimes their properties crossed the state line). Elizabeth In a message dated 1/13/2014 9:44:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdmcdonnell@comcast.net writes: Marjorie's post reminds me, some Delaware soldiers, especially naval, signed up in Philadelphia. JD *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCE I CAN THINK OF WOULD BE THE CEMETERY RECORDS AND/OR THE HUDSON TATNALL LISTING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM, SEND ME THE NAMES AND I WILL LOOK. ELIZABETH In a message dated 1/13/2014 9:21:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lenorah123@comcast.net writes: HI LIZ, JUST TO THROW SPANNERS IN THE WORKS A LOT OF US MD AND DEL DESCENDANTS CAME UP HERE FROM ACCOMACK CO. AS IN MY WESTERHOUSES, TAYLORS, DRISKELLS, AND I THINK MAYBE BYRDS AND LEGATES, TOWNSENDS ETC ETC ETC..... AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS AS TO WHO MIGHT HAVE THE CHURCH RECORDS FOR MT OLIVET CHURCH ON SNOW HILL ROAD, ALMOST TO SNOW HILL? I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THE CEMETERY RECORDS . SOMEBODY HAS TO KNOW WHAT PLOTS ARE OCCUPIED OR OWNED. MY GGGRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED THERE IN THE BACK AND THE WOOD MARKERS ARE GONE SINCE THE 1920'S OR SO. THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE CENSUS AFTER 1880. HE WAS SAMPSON C. SHOCKLEY AND I WAS UNABLE TO IDENTIFY HIS PARENTS. IF THERE WERE SHOCKLEYS BURIED IN THE SAME AREA IT MIGHT BE A CLUE. ANY INFO WOULD BE WELCOME. TAKE CARE LIZ AND GOD BLESS, KEEP 'EM STRAIGHT, NORAH HASTINGS COOPER COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 7:20 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Female DNA testing Of course, but most of the listmembers are aware that I (or we, if I want to pretend to be royal!) live in Virginia. When referring to my chapter, I only mean one county - Accomack. Should have made myself clearer, but then I would have had to think. Elizabeth In a message dated 1/13/2014 7:16:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marjea@wildblue.net writes: When you say "We" on LDR you must define it as only VA of Delmarva if that is what you mean--to me MD and some of DE are also Lower Delmarva. Marjorie "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:09 PM, <EMSCRS@aol.com> wrote: > Of course, but we did not lose any courthouses (we only have two anyway), > although many churches have burned. The difficulties and frustrations > experienced by those from burned counties are horrific. > > Elizabeth > > > In a message dated 1/13/2014 7:03:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marjea@wildblue.net writes: > > Elizabeth, but there were court house and church fires even without the > wars. > > Marjorie > "Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and > to > play and to look up at the stars."~ Henry Van Dyke > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:55 PM, <EMSCRS@aol.com> wrote: > > > No sense in reading it until someone wants to go that route. Mostly > > everyone here already knows their lines back to Adam and Eve, and we do > > have the > > documentation readily available. Lucky us - missed all the wars, at > least > > in terms of losing records. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2014 6:49:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > kathlingram45@gmail.com writes: > > > > Elizabeth > > Yes I see the DAR Is doing that. I should read up on it as I am the > > Registrar for my Chapter. Not sure how it would work and only the Y I > > would think, at least for now. > > As you said, still need a man for some things, Y testing is one. > > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > > Guild # 6449 > > > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Elizabeth Yes I see the DAR Is doing that. I should read up on it as I am the Registrar for my Chapter. Not sure how it would work and only the Y I would think, at least for now. As you said, still need a man for some things, Y testing is one. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family