Source:  Inventory of the Church Archives of Delaware.  Historical Records Survey.  March 1940. http://archives.delaware.gov/eBooks/WPAChurchArchives.pdf 230. CONCORD METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH, 1804--, Main St. Concord. Organized 1804 and first church built on present site. It was rebuilt in 1841. This was used until present building was dedicated in 1870. This church was rebuilt in 1920 and 1928. It is a one story frame building with a cupola. First settled clergyman, unknown. Minutes, 1903--, 1 vol.; Financial, 1903--, 1 val.; in possession of Mrs. R. Collins. Register, 1903--, 2 vols.; Sunday School, 1935--, 1 val.; in possession of pastor, Rev. Roy L. Tawes, Seaford. Records of incorporation and deed: Sussex Co. Recorder's office, Deeds Record; val. Z24, p.261; val. BN87, p. 436. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Barkley" <jebarkley@comcast.net> To: "LDR" <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 9:46:48 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] Corcord Methodist Church, Concord, Sussex LeeAnn, Did you ever contact Concord Church directly to see if they have any records??   Jeanne -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mithry@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:57 PM To: LDR Subject: Re: [LDR] Corcord Methodist Church, Concord, Sussex Jeane    I do have the book by Kirk Cannon  I incorrectly identified him as Doug (author of much wonderful Cannon material).  I have Halls but much earlier in Somerset Co., MD. No Tubbs.  Hearns are connected to most of the Lower Eastern Shore.  I have the Hearn book if you need something. I am so sorry that I cannot give you more.  Please keep in touch.  Concord was not that big and perhaps we can find "lost" records, LeeAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Barkley" <jebarkley@comcast.net> To: "LDR" <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 5:05:27 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] Corcord Methodist Church, Concord, Sussex LeeAnn, I am looking for Halls and Tubbs.  I know some of my Hall's are buried in the church cemetery but not Robert Hall who I am really looking for.  I know he lived in Concord and died there in 1843.  I believe the Hearn family is somehow connected to my Hall family. Do you have the book, "History of the Concord United Methodist Church and Sons, Daughters and Friends of Concord" written by Kirk Cannon?  If not I would be happy to make a copy and mail it to you. Jeanne -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mithry@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 5:00 PM To: LDR Subject: Re: [LDR] Corcord Methodist Church, Concord, Sussex Jeanne,    In a nutshell, no.  I never received any answers.  What I do know: 1) the Methodist archives at Baratt's Chapel does not have the records, 2) the pamphlet written by Doug Cannon about Concord Church contains little specific information on members in general and some info on the leaders of the church but mostly in the 20th century (my copy is boxed and awaiting movers and storage until the fall) and 3) what records there are date from after the 1860's and later (perhaps even beginning at the turn of the 20th century - my notes on that are boxed or in NC and I am now in DE).  I will let you know about that if I can find them.    What are you looking for?  I am researching Concord families Jones, James, Fooks, Hearn, etc. I would be happy to share. LeeAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Barkley" <jebarkley@comcast.net> To: "LDR" <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:48:34 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] Corcord Methodist Church, Concord, Sussex LeeAnn, I was wondering if you ever received a reply to your message below concerning the records of Concord Methodist Church?  I am also interested in finding these records. Jeanne -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mithry@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:16 PM To: LDR Subject: [LDR] Corcord Methodist Church, Concord, Sussex Would anyone know the location of the records of Concord Methodist Church, Concord, Sussex, DE? Thank you for any leads, LeeAnn *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Hi Folks - I feel like I'm coming to this party about a decade too late. Reviewing the list archives, I can see a number of questions about Hammonds from Worcester County (and nearby) that date back to the 1990s. I come from a family of Hammonds that never left what's now Worcester County and, according to the family tradition, trace back to Mark Hammond and his son (the sometimes notorious) Captain Edward Hammond. Reviewing the listserv archives, over the years I've seen some questions that I might have helped answer at the time, but, well, I wasn't here. Looking into my own family history, I run into some of the same confusion that a lot of other people find with the mixing up of Worcester families, particularly in the 18th Century. Smiths, Hammonds, Bowens, Purnells, and others seem to melt into a tangle that doesn't make any sense. I have also done some genetics, and this is pointing in some interesting directions - Bishops, Turners, Griffins. I am going to try to commit to a long term project aimed at disentangling some of the early genealogies of Hammonds from Worcester/Somerset/Accomac counties, specifically the period from about 1680 to 1800. By long-term, I mean a ten or twenty year project, working as time permits! I suspect that sorting out the Hammonds might help sort out some other families. I would love to hear from other people that are related to the Worcester Hammonds, and to share genealogies. I know there's conflicting information out there, and that there are some Hammonds that I probably will never be able to account for. But I'm going to try. At least in this geographical area, and in that time period. Thanks, and I hope to hear from people - either here, or if it's specific, directly at my e-mail gerencia [at] chisgonon.com. I anticipate that e-mail address will work for years to come, so if it's 2020 and you are reading this, give it a try. It might still work! Sincerely, Edward Hammond

Jim - do you know if there was a conviction? I think this Isaac Hastings is close to mine (mine was killed by a train). Elizabeth In a message dated 5/23/2014 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jim-Almquist@msn.com writes: >From GenealogyBank.com Easton Gazette (Easton, MD) Volume: XXV Issue: 2 Page: 3 A most appalling murder was committed a few days ago upon a Mr Hastings and five or six of his family residing near Saulsbury, Somerset county, in this State. Mr Hastings had built a new dwelling house and it was supposed he had three or four thougsand dollars in the house at the time, to obtain which he and his family were murdered, and the house burnt to the ground over the heads of its murdered inmate. The victims are Mr Hastings, his wife, daughter, niece and a colored woman. The utmost excitement prevails and the whole neighborhood is aroused to discover the perpetrators of the horrid deed. The head of the negro was found separate from the body. -- Sentinel. I will email you a copy of the clipping off list. Jim -----Original Message----- From: lenorah123@comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:25 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Somerset county probate records new online I think HI GANG, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND TRIAL RECORDS FOR SOMERSET COUNTY IN 1842? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY BIG TRIAL AND AS THE GOVERNOR OFFERED A RANSOM FOR THEIR CAPTURE I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE ARE PAPERS OR COPIES OF THE TRIAL RECORDS ELSEWHERE. I'D APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTION, ETC. ITS ON THE MURDER OF THE ISAAC HASTINGS AMILY NEAR SALISBURY ON 24 DEC 1842. GOD BLESS, NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: lizdfamily@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:49 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Somerset county probate records new online I think In addition to the familysearch dot org site which has many available probate records for Somerset County, I have found some additional records that have been scanned by the Md. State Archives and made available online: If you go to this link: http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=CM966 and click on anything that says LINK it will take you, I believe, to a pdf file that can be downloaded or viewed online. The Volume EB24 is missing at the familysearch site but it is available the link I just posted. Liz *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI GANG, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND TRIAL RECORDS FOR SOMERSET COUNTY IN 1842? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY BIG TRIAL AND AS THE GOVERNOR OFFERED A RANSOM FOR THEIR CAPTURE I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE ARE PAPERS OR COPIES OF THE TRIAL RECORDS ELSEWHERE. I'D APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTION, ETC. ITS ON THE MURDER OF THE ISAAC HASTINGS AMILY NEAR SALISBURY ON 24 DEC 1842. GOD BLESS, NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: lizdfamily@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:49 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Somerset county probate records new online I think In addition to the familysearch dot org site which has many available probate records for Somerset County, I have found some additional records that have been scanned by the Md. State Archives and made available online: If you go to this link: http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=CM966 and click on anything that says LINK it will take you, I believe, to a pdf file that can be downloaded or viewed online. The Volume EB24 is missing at the familysearch site but it is available the link I just posted. Liz *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From GenealogyBank.com Easton Gazette (Easton, MD) Volume: XXV Issue: 2 Page: 3 A most appalling murder was committed a few days ago upon a Mr Hastings and five or six of his family residing near Saulsbury, Somerset county, in this State. Mr Hastings had built a new dwelling house and it was supposed he had three or four thougsand dollars in the house at the time, to obtain which he and his family were murdered, and the house burnt to the ground over the heads of its murdered inmate. The victims are Mr Hastings, his wife, daughter, niece and a colored woman. The utmost excitement prevails and the whole neighborhood is aroused to discover the perpetrators of the horrid deed. The head of the negro was found separate from the body. -- Sentinel. I will email you a copy of the clipping off list. Jim -----Original Message----- From: lenorah123@comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:25 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Somerset county probate records new online I think HI GANG, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND TRIAL RECORDS FOR SOMERSET COUNTY IN 1842? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY BIG TRIAL AND AS THE GOVERNOR OFFERED A RANSOM FOR THEIR CAPTURE I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE ARE PAPERS OR COPIES OF THE TRIAL RECORDS ELSEWHERE. I'D APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTION, ETC. ITS ON THE MURDER OF THE ISAAC HASTINGS AMILY NEAR SALISBURY ON 24 DEC 1842. GOD BLESS, NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: lizdfamily@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:49 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Somerset county probate records new online I think In addition to the familysearch dot org site which has many available probate records for Somerset County, I have found some additional records that have been scanned by the Md. State Archives and made available online: If you go to this link: http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=CM966 and click on anything that says LINK it will take you, I believe, to a pdf file that can be downloaded or viewed online. The Volume EB24 is missing at the familysearch site but it is available the link I just posted. Liz *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In addition to the familysearch dot org site which has many available probate records for Somerset County, I have found some additional records that have been scanned by the Md. State Archives and made available online: If you go to this link: http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=CM966 and click on anything that says LINK it will take you, I believe, to a pdf file that can be downloaded or viewed online. The Volume EB24 is missing at the familysearch site but it is available the link I just posted. Liz

Wow, thanks Liz!  I didn't know these were online.  Good sleuthing.  I'm behind the times on what's available online and I do not have good luck negotiating the MSA website.  I had looked at familysearch after you said EB24 was not there and sure enough it is not.  I looked three times; had not noticed prior til today.  We're under a tornado warning as I type and it's to hit in less than ten minutes.  Supposed to be coming right at Princess Anne so I'm sitting in my spot in case this is the end.  We don't get tornadoes in this part of the country. On Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:54 PM, "lizdfamily@comcast.net" <lizdfamily@comcast.net> wrote: > > >In addition to the familysearch dot org site which has many available probate records for Somerset County, I have found some additional records that have been scanned by the Md. State Archives and made available online: > >If you go to this link: http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=CM966 and click on anything that says LINK it will take you, I believe, to a pdf file that can be downloaded or viewed online.  The Volume EB24 is missing at the familysearch site but it is available the link I just posted.  Liz > > > >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Sonia- Of those that you mention, only the surname Burton is familiar to me in the Delmar-Laurel-Seaford area. One of the Burton's had a car dealership in Blades (Seaford), Delaware and other family members can be found in Laurel, as I recall. Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle and Sonia Rust Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:03 PM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] WILLIAM BURTON RUST & JANE TUBBS RUST I am trying to determine if William Burton Rust and his wife, Jane Tubbs were originally from Delaware and who were their parents. From 1805 until his death in the 1850s, William was known as Burton Rust and lived in Mercer County, PA. It was indicated on a death certificate, that they were born in Delaware. We have done extensive research but have been unable to find the right Rust or Tubbs families. Some of the names given to their children included Warrington, Burton, Jackson (all common DE names). Does any of this information sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! Sonia Turner Rust 4850 W. 75th Ave. Unit E Westminster, CO 80030-5129 303-422-4013 msrust@msn.com *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to determine if William Burton Rust and his wife, Jane Tubbs were originally from Delaware and who were their parents. From 1805 until his death in the 1850s, William was known as Burton Rust and lived in Mercer County, PA. It was indicated on a death certificate, that they were born in Delaware. We have done extensive research but have been unable to find the right Rust or Tubbs families. Some of the names given to their children included Warrington, Burton, Jackson (all common DE names). Does any of this information sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! Sonia Turner Rust 4850 W. 75th Ave. Unit E Westminster, CO 80030-5129 303-422-4013 msrust@msn.com

Hi, all. I found the following Madison, Indiana, 1913 news article yesterday, and was wondering if the farm mentioned is still owned by a Johnson family member. It was still in their possession in 1943 at the time of death of Judge Benjamin Alvin Johnson, but I don't know what happened to family or farm after that. I would like to visit the farm to see if the markers for Elijah and Zilpha Noble Shockley (my direct ancestors) are still there. Here's my transcription of the article. Madison Weekly Herald, October 30, 1913, page 1 Family Tree Of the Shockley Family Shows Some Interesting Genealogical Facts Mr. Irwin Shockley, son of Mr. William Shockley, who conducts the milling and feed business on north West street, has been tracing the family of William Noble Shockley, his grandfather, and the following letter for Dr. Thornton M. Shorkley of Rochester, N.Y., explains itself with regard to the matter: Rochester, N.Y., Oct. 12, 1913. Irwin Shockley, Madison, Ind. Dear Sir---The following is a copy of a s letter I received a day or two ago. Just add these facts to your family history and let the other member of your family who are interested, know about it. Parsonsburg, Md., Oct. 10, 1913. Dr. Shorkley: Dear Sir—“I am in possession of a letter from you directed to the pastor of the Nassanango [sic] Baptist church asking him for information concerning the ancestors of William Noble Shockley and I will say to you that he is the son of Elijah Shockley and Zilpha (Noble) Shockley. Elijah Shockley was the son of Benjamin Shockley, of Revolutionary fame. “Wm. N. Shockley had five sisters, viz: Sally, married John Briddle; Hanna, married Joshua Hounds[sic]; Nancy, married Ratcliff Morris; Lucretia, married Leonard Morris; Mary, married James Mulford. “There are three of us who are the grandchildren of Ratcliff Morris and Nancy (Shockley) Morris. Our mother, Catherine Morris, married Benjamin Johnson. We live on the farm which was the birthplace of William Noble Shockley and Elijah Shockley, and for years the home of Benjamin Shockley, and we are tonight in the same house in which William Noble Shockley was born, although the house has been repaired. “The family graveyard on this farm contains the remains of Benjamin Shockley, Elijah Shockley, Zilpha (Noble) Shockley, Nancy (Shockley) Morris, Catherine (Morris) Johnson, and is marked with tombstones of same. “Will you kindly write where Wm. Shockley resided and now his children, as I suppose he isn’t likely to be living now? Theodore Morris is the only child of Nancy and Ratcliff Morris now living. He lives at Salibury, Md., is now 73 years of age and remembers when his uncle, Wm. Shockley, came to Maryland on a visit. He (Theodore Morris) is my uncle and lives eight miles from me. He is also a member of Nassanango Baptist church, to which Wm. Shockley belonged. “Please write what relation you are to Wm. Shockley. The Nassanango church is five miles from here. “Will be glad to hear from you. Hoping to hear from you soon,” I am yours, Rufus Johnson, Parsonsburg, Md. P.S. “This farm where I now reside has been in our family ever since Benjamin Shockley first settled here. This farm belongs to me and I am the fifth generation.” R.J. I will be very glad indeed to write to your cousin, Rufus, just as soon as I can get around to it, and I propose that you write to him too. He very evidently is proud of his ancestry and with good cause. Yours very truly, T.M. Shorkley. Mary Carson, nee Rownd (descendent of Hannah Shockley and Joshua Rownd).

Jane- I agree the story of the eastern hundreds- Broadkill, Lewes & Rehobeth, Indian River, Dagsboro, and Baltimore- is fascinating. It also is a good bit more complicated than the one for western Little Creek Hundred. I have only read a little, but it seems that along the Delaware you can see the results of the belated efforts of Penn's sons to maintain their claim. This is reminiscent of what the Calverts did in the upper MD counties after they realized the extent of the influence of the Virginia families and the Anglican church in Old Somerset. My impression is that many families did come to southeastern Sussex County from Old Somerset, probably up the Pocomoke into what became Worcester County. From there northern, coastwise generational migration was as logical as it was on the eastern side of the peninsula. The major differences were that the rivers were much shorter than the Chesapeake estuaries and all of the support for the settlers, whether from the Penn colony or from Somerset, was much more removed. I'm guessing, but I think this also increased the cost of both the goods they bought and the transportation of their products that went to "nearby" cities, i.e. Wilmington & Philadelphia, and, in turn, slowed the development of the east side, when compared to the west. As to the dates of establishment of these early roads, I just don't know. To my knowledge there are no records about the construction of these early roads, probably because the earliest roads slowly segued from footpaths to roads for wheeled vehicles. What I have seen mentioned is references to roads in the area of a town, but these are well after the fact. I do believe that the southernmost east-west road probably was from Laurel to Millsboro. Millsboro, at the head of the Indian River, was the easternmost of the east side settlements, had ample saw- & grist mills, and was sufficiently north of the swamps at the headwaters of the Pokomoke that one could actually pass between Laurel and Millsboro on dry land. Certainly, it was before 1830, because by then there would have been a continuum of farms & homesteads, which would have required some sort of road/trail network. ...But as to a "proper road", it may have been as late as during the Depression in the 1930s. Throughout Sussex County, when I was growing up all of the principal roads shared the same traits: concrete paving, concrete abutments at every ditch (which became a real driving hazard), and a line of American Sycamores on each side of the roadway. My parents told me that these road upgrades were CCC projects. On both the Sharptown-Laurel Road (Rte 24) and the Sharptown-Delmar Road (Rte 54) you can still see numerous places where the road had been straightened with the CCC projects. When compared to the 1868 map, virtually all of the old roadbeds remain in some form or another. By extension, we might expect that the "road" between Laurel & Millsboro may have simply been a network of roads that weren't coalesced into a single, direct road until the twentieth century. This is exactly what we see between the Laurel-Millsboro Road (which, incidentally, is an extension of Rte 24) and US 50, from Salisbury to Ocean City. Between these two roads the swamps still limit access to the coast to just a few roads which traverse them, and to the west of the swamps there is a complex network of county roads. As to Scharf, I consider the History of Delaware to be a real asset to 19th century research. As others have pointed out, you do have to be careful when he speculates about earlier facts and events, but I doubt if I will ever stop finding it useful. Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane McDonnell Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:07 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] colonial roads LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, Thank you for sharing your information and thoughts. I find this fascinating. I read Scharf's "History of Delaware" to get the "lay of the land" around Millsboro the last time this subject came up on the list, and continued reading for all the Hundreds, I found it such a fascinating account. You can see the ease of getting straight to Laurel from the West; and the greater part of my family settled right on the East coast on Angola Neck, and didn't spread out for over a century, first upriver to Millsboro, up the coastline to Lewes, and not inland to Georgetown until 1850. I used to think the Laurel family met the Indian River family easily, but it wouldn't have been easy. Because the Hazzard surname shares both locations, it is more likely, based on geographic knowledge that a family member made it west to Laurel somehow, for some reason, and was an outlier. Or, that the Laurel family was a different line entirely, unrelated to the easternmost family. These speculations are ! invaluable to genealogy. It is so easy to accept old genealogies that are heavily cited, but they are proved wrong often. Even professionals conclude hastily sometimes. Geography and maps of old access roads and rivers are great clues. The problem is those darn cousins!!!!!! I know of at least three separate Jacob Hazzard lines (all with sons and or nephews named Jacob) and a line of freeman Jacob Hazzards along this strip of Sussex county land. Looking at known migration routes and dates can prove very helpful. Thanks for reminding me. With your knowledge of the colonial routes, when did the proper "road" (as some were temporary log roads through marsh) connect Laurel and Millsboro? Jane *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Terry, Thank you for sharing your information and thoughts. I find this fascinating. I read Scharf's "History of Delaware" to get the "lay of the land" around Millsboro the last time this subject came up on the list, and continued reading for all the Hundreds, I found it such a fascinating account. You can see the ease of getting straight to Laurel from the West; and the greater part of my family settled right on the East coast on Angola Neck, and didn't spread out for over a century, first upriver to Millsboro, up the coastline to Lewes, and not inland to Georgetown until 1850. I used to think the Laurel family met the Indian River family easily, but it wouldn't have been easy. Because the Hazzard surname shares both locations, it is more likely, based on geographic knowledge that a family member made it west to Laurel somehow, for some reason, and was an outlier. Or, that the Laurel family was a different line entirely, unrelated to the easternmost family. These speculations are ! invaluable to genealogy. It is so easy to accept old genealogies that are heavily cited, but they are proved wrong often. Even professionals conclude hastily sometimes. Geography and maps of old access roads and rivers are great clues. The problem is those darn cousins!!!!!! I know of at least three separate Jacob Hazzard lines (all with sons and or nephews named Jacob) and a line of freeman Jacob Hazzards along this strip of Sussex county land. Looking at known migration routes and dates can prove very helpful. Thanks for reminding me. With your knowledge of the colonial routes, when did the proper "road" (as some were temporary log roads through marsh) connect Laurel and Millsboro? Jane

Thanks so much, Stuart. I'll do that in the next day, or so. It sounds a great tool- If only I had known.... Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Bechman Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:13 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Sending / posting files If you have any web browser and you're willing to register at www.google.com, you can upload any document or file to drive.google.com for free, then copy and post the link to the file on the list. Those who want to download the file can do so by clicking on the link without any danger of picking up viruses, etc. -Stuart > On May 20, 2014, at 9:31 AM, lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I have mentioned this before, but, once again, if anyone wants me to > send them the image privately, I will be happy to. My email address > is tbphillips@verizon.net. I realize that some folks will have > reasonable privacy concerns, but unfortunately I have no solution > that doesn't involve sending the file to a private email address. *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A few years ago I read a book, "That Dark And Bloody River", by Allan Eckert. It is a thorough and fascinating description of the settlement of America west of the Appalachians & east of the Mississippi, starting just after the French & Indian War- mostly the western parts of MD, VA, & the Carolinas, plus Kentucky & the Northwest Territory. It was so illuminating... especially in light of the fact that this first expansion westward was not well covered in our history classes in school. No one related to me was in the book, and I didn't expect that there would be, but just after I became accustomed to the idea that family members had actually left the area for the south, I was confronted with the fact that many others had moved to Ohio, Indiana, etc., and even west into Iowa. It completely changed my perspective on my families... Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lenorah123@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:05 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 TO ALL READERS, I HAVE NOTICED A MAJOR SHIFT AFTER THE WAR OF 1812 DUE TO LAND GRANTS TO THE MIDWEST. WHEN YOUR LOOK AT THE OHIO CENSUSES AROUND 1850 ITS VERY NOTICABLE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FROM DELAWARE. MY HASTINGS AND HUSTONS WENT THAT WAY BUT ALSO OUTTENS MURPHYS ETC. MY HUSBANDS PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM TIDEWATER VIRGINIA MOVED SOUTHWEST TO NC AND THEN TO TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY. SOME OF THEM WERE MELUNGEONS. NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: Terry Phillips-Seitz Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:33 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Hi Elizabeth- One thing I didn't discuss was the importance of the Nanticoke River & it's large tributary, Broad Creek, in affecting the way families moved about over generations. In my view, there were 3 things going on: 1) Search and acquisition of (preferably free) land to establish farms & homesteads; 2) Exploitation of local topography & resources to establish non-farming economic activities, such as sawmills, gristmills, shipping & market centers; 3) Distribution of populations around market centers. At the risk of being too theoretical, in this area during the 1700s & early 1800s, we can look at the towns as the primary market centers and the more widely distributed mills as secondary market centers. Except for the very earliest settlers in this area, it is most reasonable to characterize residents here as having some expectation of being able to live near a venue to exchange goods & services. No one was coming here to find a place to get away from other folks (in the way that we have learned that the earliest settlers moved into Kentucky or the Ohio Valley) Everyone can see the logical extension of this- Following what probably originally were Native American trails, new arrivals moved out to available land in locations that optimized the distance(s) to market centers. This would explain how local families in the 19th century appear to be clustered along the colonial roads that formed lines connecting towns such as Salisbury - Laurel (- Seaford) & Salisbury (- Barren Creek) - Vienna. It also explains why the earliest roads and settlement patterns do not go from Salisbury (est c. 1732) towards Georgetown (est. 1791). Laurel appears to have been "founded" c. 1683, Seaford- c. 1720, & Vienna, MD- c. 1706. Not coincidentally, according to Thomas Scharf, in his "History of Delaware", the last free land in Sussex County was located near the middle of the county, east of Laurel & Seaford, and was granted c. 1830. I have virtually no family members who lived east of US 13, which passes in a north-south line from Seaford to Salisbury. So... How was it that successive generations found land close to their parents? The answer is, in part, that they didn't. I can see members of every family that I follow moving into the Carolinas & Georgia in the earliest 1800s and a little later (c. 1830) into Ohio, Illinois & Indiana, as the Northwest Territories gradually opened up. I believe that the ones who remained (frequently, the oldest sons), were able to do so because the earliest patents were large enough to subdivide, and they, through inheritance, their parents' good will, or relationships with their neighbors, were able to carve out smaller, but still substantial homesteads near to their family homes. In addition, established families probably had enough accumulated wealth or visible income stream to pay for these land purchases. Newcomers would have had access to these purchases in a much smaller percentage of their numbers, so they would have tended to move along to the next available land. ...At least, that's how I understand things. Back to the river... It was all about high ground. All the towns along the Nanticoke & Broad Creek are located at places where the river has a solid shoreline, which would allow for building and convenient approach. Vienna was the farthest downstream, had the deepest channel & had overland access to Cambridge. Seaford and Laurel had dammable [sp?] creeks which reached the larger tributary where they were located, & were "gateways" for shipping to & from the farmland surrounding them. On the north shore of the Nanticoke, there is no high ground between Seaford & Vienna*, so other towns on the south shore (Sharptown & Riverton) were founded later and would have been dead ends for folks migrating into the area from Salisbury. On Broad Creek there were Laurel & Portsville, but Portsville, like Sharptown faced swamp and marshland on its opposite shore. It's a bit more complicated, because Portsville was closer to the confluence of Broad Creek & the Nanticoke, so anyone crossing Broad Creek at Portsville would have to turn east to avoid immediately having to cross the Nanticoke. *There are two additional locations along the north shore- a farm near Galestown comes very close to the river and Woodland (Cannon's Ferry) sits on the river above Broad Creek, but it is a relatively small site and faces marshland on its opposing shore. When all is considered, the routes northward from Salisbury through Laurel (then Seaford) and Vienna seem to have compellingly obvious advantages. When I was growing up in Sharptown in the 1950s & '60s, the great majority of the town's population (~550 persons) had their family affiliations to the south, towards Little Creek Hundred & Wicomico County. I have not been able to explain, however, why more people did not enter the area through Laurel & Seaford, instead of Salisbury. It may have had something to do with possible limitations on their links to colonial ports of entry, but I just don't know... I'll send you the map in just a minute and I think you will be able to see where all of these families were concentrated. Actually, the Vincent/Vinson family is present, but not in great numbers. You can, however, see clear clusters, but all of the families you mention are interrelated. Can you guess how I know???? In my research, I discovered an interesting phenomenon. It is one of those self-evident things, but I had not fully appreciated the importance of large families in enhancing the subsequent interrelation of area families. The larger families that pop up occasionally in each family line, not only increased the number of their descendants, but also dramatically increased the number of surnames that thereafter would be part of those counted as relatives. That meant a lot of 1st cousins... Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:37 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, I would love to have copies of any maps that might assist me in determining the wandering of my various family connections (they were all footloose and fancy free). Surnames of interest are Vincent/Vinson, Mills, Hearn, Badley/Bradley, Cooper, and probably everyone else, since they all seem to have married each other over and over and over. After 25 years, I am still stuck with this mysterious Lucinda who had five children, but apparently no other relatives of any degree other than a possible sister-in-law, whose first name changed in each and every census. They all floated around the Barren Creek/Laurel/Seaford area, with occasional forays elsewhere. Elizabeth (EMSCRS@aol.com) In a message dated 5/19/2014 10:12:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tbphillips@verizon.net writes: Hi Jim- Last night I wrote a substantial response to your question, thinking I could illustrate it with an attached image of the western half of the Beers 1868 Little Creek Hundred map. But... as everyone else probably knew, we cannot include attachments in emails to rootsweb.com. Therefore I have edited what I originally wrote into two parts- those comments that stand alone and those which really depend upon the map. I have mentioned this before, but, once again, if anyone wants me to send them the image privately, I will be happy to. My email address is tbphillips@verizon.net. I realize that some folks will have reasonable privacy concerns, but unfortunately I have no solution that doesn't involve sending the file to a private email address. I have seen other copies of this map on the internet, but none are particularly good. My copy is from a photo I took of the flattened map, which was then processed with Photoshop to enhance contrast & color saturation and to sharpen the lines & labels. The resolution is very, very good. Anyway... You are right, Jim, in suggesting that the same name appears in multiple places on the map, when a person could only live in one place at a time. It's hard to apply, however, a single rule to interpret what is going on. Sometimes it is exactly as you suggest, but in those cases the proximity of the places reinforces this implication. Also, there may simply be matching initials very close to the name. At other times the explanation is simply that a son of the same name (or initial) lives nearby. Finally, there are a lot of J Ellises, J Phillipses, J Coopers, etc. This arises, I think, because there were many popular names that began with J (James, Joseph, John, etc.). In these cases you just have to have more info to interpret who lives where. A survey of the male first names that appear in the English family leaves little doubt that T English was Thomas English. The question is "Which Thomas English was it?" It was very, very unlikely to have been the Thomas who was the son of Amy T Waller & James English. At this point I am relying on information from others: 1) he was living in Kentucky by 1810, & 2) he died in 1820. I haven't seen a doc confirming his death, but the Thomas English listed in the 1810 census is listed just above a William Waller & then Thomas English, Jr. I have seen a few examples of groups of persons from the area moving south (e.g. Waller & Ellis), and it certainly makes sense, so I think that Thomas is James & Amy's son. There are several other grandchildren & great grandchildren with Thomas as a first or middle name, but I haven't found any who were in Little Creek Hundred at that time. Just to be clear, however, this is not something I have done exhaustively. **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** ****************************************** [Now the part that benefits from having the map] [I have attached a file showing all of Little Creek Hundred west of modern US 13. I'll be happy to send it directly to anyone who wants to see it.] District 50 is in the upper left-hand corner. In District 50, the road at the that sort-of parallels the river is very close to the modern-day "Old Sharptown Road" (Rd 494) and the combination of roads running east-west at the bottom of District 50 approximate the present Sharptown-Laurel Road (Rte 54), at least until they reach Mt. Pleasant Road (the road that parallels Tussocky Branch on its west side). The label, "T English", starts just beside the north-south MD/DE line almost exactly halfway down the edge of District 50. My experience is that the name alone indicates a homestead/working farm and other structures that are VERY close by, e.g. a store, sawmill ("S Mill"), or grist mill ("G Mill") implicitly belong to that person as well. I take it, therefore, that both the residence on the creek and one (possibly two) residences on the west side of the creek were his. If a structure indicates a residence only, I see the editors use the abbreviation "Res". I also sometimes see the abbreviation "Est", which I guess is a reference to "Estate", but I don't know if that means the estate of a deceased person or, less likely, something grander. The sawmill & farm just upstream from T English (i.e. towards the bottom right) belonged to J Ellis, who was my great great grandfather, Joseph H Ellis. Amy Threlkeld Waller was his great great aunt. The series of roads at the bottom of the map, paralleling the Transpeninsular Line approximate the (Mardela->) Delmar Road (Rte 24). Finally, two of the roads I mentioned earlier, Sarah Beach Road & Jersey Road appear on this map as well. Susan Beach Road (Spring Hill Road until it crosses Delmar Road) enters the map just to the right of the "M" in "MARYLAND" at the bottom, passes between the "S" & "T" in "Dist No. 49", and gradually angles toward the northeast into Laurel. Jersey Road enters at the bottom, just to the right of the "A" in "MARYLAND", changes its name to "Providence Church Road (Rd 504) and joins Susan Beach Road at the Episcopal Church (St Marks). I mention these latter details so you can identify the roads I was discussing earlier and so you can visualize where I was saying the "Waller Homestead" was located (immediately below the "A" in "MARYLAND"). ...So, in about 150 years, this T English had moved about 3 miles, as the crow flies. There are several other facts that you might find interesting. 1) St Marks Episcopal Church, at the corner of Susan Beach Road (Rd 509) & Providence Church Road (Rd 504) was founded in the 1800s by the Ellis, Ralph, & Freeny families. It was closed and deconsecrated by the Diocese of Delaware in the 1960s. The graveyard contains the graves of some Ralphs, Freenys & others, but the great majority are Ellises. 2) the area from just below St Marks, north along Susan Beach Road, almost up to the Sharptown-Laurel Road is known as "Ralphs" on the ADC maps of the area, and several Ralph families are still in the area, but I have never heard it called that. I attended St Marks until it was closed. By then the congregation was tiny (<30 persons each Sunday), but I never recall a Ralph family member attending- even at Christmas. I can't say that there were abssolutely no Freenys around in the 1960s, but I didn't know of any. 3) the small cemetery ("Cem") just south of St Marks, on the east side of Susan Beach Road was/is Ralphs Hill Cemetery. Ironically, there are only a few Ralphs there- most of the graves are Ellises, Baileys & Phillipses, and, from what I know of the the family members I recognize there, this was the cemetery for the Methodist members of the respective families. I have asked in the community, but no one I know is aware of where the church was that accompanied this cemetery. The only clue I have is the "M P Church" you can see on the map, at the corner of the road just below the cemetery. Closer to Laurel, up Susan Beach Road was another abandoned Methodist church at what was known as "Horsey's Grove" (in the small triangle formed by roads, just to the left of the "137" in "Dist No. 137"). 4) the rural community immediately surrounding the triangle formed by the Delmar Road (Rte 24), Providence Church Road & Susan Beach Road was known as "Providence". It still is called that by those of us who had immediate family in the area. 5) to the west, along Columbia Road (Rd 76) was, and still is, called (strangely enough) "Columbia". These days I have the impression that "Columbia" is used to refer to just about all of the southwestern corner of Little Creek Hundred, along both Columbia & Delmar Roads, as well as the area I just identified as "Providence". 6) Jersey Road & Providence Church Road were significant early colonial roads, because, together, they formed a route that followed the west side of the upper reaches of the Wicomico River, leading towards Portsville & Laurel by a path that encountered the least topographical resistance (in this case, the fewest streams). Laurel and Portsville were important towns as they were located on the south shore of Broad Creek, in two of the very few places where high ground came down to the river's edge. As you can see, many of the streams on the south side of the Nanticoke and Broad Creek were dammed for saw mills & grist mills, but only Tussocky Branch & Little Creek joined their respective larger tributary at a place with high, stable banks (Portsville & Laurel, respectively). Before 1859, Delmar was not a market center of any importance. 7) Spring Hill Road & Susan Beach Road, together formed a colonial road connecting the Salisbury-Barren Creek-Vienna Road, at the place where it is joined by a road from Quantico & Hebron, to Laurel. Again, this road follows a path essentially on high ground. Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:53 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, your note is not "too chatty" for this forum. Rather, it is highly informative to those of us who have ancestors from the area you are discussing. I appreciate the information you are offering. Question: you wrote that you found a "T English living " at a specific location. Am I correct in saying that the property was owned by T English but might not have been his home? This would account for numerous instances of the same name appearing several times in an area, but there was only one person with that name. 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TO ALL READERS, I HAVE NOTICED A MAJOR SHIFT AFTER THE WAR OF 1812 DUE TO LAND GRANTS TO THE MIDWEST. WHEN YOUR LOOK AT THE OHIO CENSUSES AROUND 1850 ITS VERY NOTICABLE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FROM DELAWARE. MY HASTINGS AND HUSTONS WENT THAT WAY BUT ALSO OUTTENS MURPHYS ETC. MY HUSBANDS PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM TIDEWATER VIRGINIA MOVED SOUTHWEST TO NC AND THEN TO TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY. SOME OF THEM WERE MELUNGEONS. NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: Terry Phillips-Seitz Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:33 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Hi Elizabeth- One thing I didn't discuss was the importance of the Nanticoke River & it's large tributary, Broad Creek, in affecting the way families moved about over generations. In my view, there were 3 things going on: 1) Search and acquisition of (preferably free) land to establish farms & homesteads; 2) Exploitation of local topography & resources to establish non-farming economic activities, such as sawmills, gristmills, shipping & market centers; 3) Distribution of populations around market centers. At the risk of being too theoretical, in this area during the 1700s & early 1800s, we can look at the towns as the primary market centers and the more widely distributed mills as secondary market centers. Except for the very earliest settlers in this area, it is most reasonable to characterize residents here as having some expectation of being able to live near a venue to exchange goods & services. No one was coming here to find a place to get away from other folks (in the way that we have learned that the earliest settlers moved into Kentucky or the Ohio Valley) Everyone can see the logical extension of this- Following what probably originally were Native American trails, new arrivals moved out to available land in locations that optimized the distance(s) to market centers. This would explain how local families in the 19th century appear to be clustered along the colonial roads that formed lines connecting towns such as Salisbury - Laurel (- Seaford) & Salisbury (- Barren Creek) - Vienna. It also explains why the earliest roads and settlement patterns do not go from Salisbury (est c. 1732) towards Georgetown (est. 1791). Laurel appears to have been "founded" c. 1683, Seaford- c. 1720, & Vienna, MD- c. 1706. Not coincidentally, according to Thomas Scharf, in his "History of Delaware", the last free land in Sussex County was located near the middle of the county, east of Laurel & Seaford, and was granted c. 1830. I have virtually no family members who lived east of US 13, which passes in a north-south line from Seaford to Salisbury. So... How was it that successive generations found land close to their parents? The answer is, in part, that they didn't. I can see members of every family that I follow moving into the Carolinas & Georgia in the earliest 1800s and a little later (c. 1830) into Ohio, Illinois & Indiana, as the Northwest Territories gradually opened up. I believe that the ones who remained (frequently, the oldest sons), were able to do so because the earliest patents were large enough to subdivide, and they, through inheritance, their parents' good will, or relationships with their neighbors, were able to carve out smaller, but still substantial homesteads near to their family homes. In addition, established families probably had enough accumulated wealth or visible income stream to pay for these land purchases. Newcomers would have had access to these purchases in a much smaller percentage of their numbers, so they would have tended to move along to the next available land. ...At least, that's how I understand things. Back to the river... It was all about high ground. All the towns along the Nanticoke & Broad Creek are located at places where the river has a solid shoreline, which would allow for building and convenient approach. Vienna was the farthest downstream, had the deepest channel & had overland access to Cambridge. Seaford and Laurel had dammable [sp?] creeks which reached the larger tributary where they were located, & were "gateways" for shipping to & from the farmland surrounding them. On the north shore of the Nanticoke, there is no high ground between Seaford & Vienna*, so other towns on the south shore (Sharptown & Riverton) were founded later and would have been dead ends for folks migrating into the area from Salisbury. On Broad Creek there were Laurel & Portsville, but Portsville, like Sharptown faced swamp and marshland on its opposite shore. It's a bit more complicated, because Portsville was closer to the confluence of Broad Creek & the Nanticoke, so anyone crossing Broad Creek at Portsville would have to turn east to avoid immediately having to cross the Nanticoke. *There are two additional locations along the north shore- a farm near Galestown comes very close to the river and Woodland (Cannon's Ferry) sits on the river above Broad Creek, but it is a relatively small site and faces marshland on its opposing shore. When all is considered, the routes northward from Salisbury through Laurel (then Seaford) and Vienna seem to have compellingly obvious advantages. When I was growing up in Sharptown in the 1950s & '60s, the great majority of the town's population (~550 persons) had their family affiliations to the south, towards Little Creek Hundred & Wicomico County. I have not been able to explain, however, why more people did not enter the area through Laurel & Seaford, instead of Salisbury. It may have had something to do with possible limitations on their links to colonial ports of entry, but I just don't know... I'll send you the map in just a minute and I think you will be able to see where all of these families were concentrated. Actually, the Vincent/Vinson family is present, but not in great numbers. You can, however, see clear clusters, but all of the families you mention are interrelated. Can you guess how I know???? In my research, I discovered an interesting phenomenon. It is one of those self-evident things, but I had not fully appreciated the importance of large families in enhancing the subsequent interrelation of area families. The larger families that pop up occasionally in each family line, not only increased the number of their descendants, but also dramatically increased the number of surnames that thereafter would be part of those counted as relatives. That meant a lot of 1st cousins... Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:37 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, I would love to have copies of any maps that might assist me in determining the wandering of my various family connections (they were all footloose and fancy free). Surnames of interest are Vincent/Vinson, Mills, Hearn, Badley/Bradley, Cooper, and probably everyone else, since they all seem to have married each other over and over and over. After 25 years, I am still stuck with this mysterious Lucinda who had five children, but apparently no other relatives of any degree other than a possible sister-in-law, whose first name changed in each and every census. They all floated around the Barren Creek/Laurel/Seaford area, with occasional forays elsewhere. Elizabeth (EMSCRS@aol.com) In a message dated 5/19/2014 10:12:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tbphillips@verizon.net writes: Hi Jim- Last night I wrote a substantial response to your question, thinking I could illustrate it with an attached image of the western half of the Beers 1868 Little Creek Hundred map. But... as everyone else probably knew, we cannot include attachments in emails to rootsweb.com. Therefore I have edited what I originally wrote into two parts- those comments that stand alone and those which really depend upon the map. I have mentioned this before, but, once again, if anyone wants me to send them the image privately, I will be happy to. My email address is tbphillips@verizon.net. I realize that some folks will have reasonable privacy concerns, but unfortunately I have no solution that doesn't involve sending the file to a private email address. I have seen other copies of this map on the internet, but none are particularly good. My copy is from a photo I took of the flattened map, which was then processed with Photoshop to enhance contrast & color saturation and to sharpen the lines & labels. The resolution is very, very good. Anyway... You are right, Jim, in suggesting that the same name appears in multiple places on the map, when a person could only live in one place at a time. It's hard to apply, however, a single rule to interpret what is going on. Sometimes it is exactly as you suggest, but in those cases the proximity of the places reinforces this implication. Also, there may simply be matching initials very close to the name. At other times the explanation is simply that a son of the same name (or initial) lives nearby. Finally, there are a lot of J Ellises, J Phillipses, J Coopers, etc. This arises, I think, because there were many popular names that began with J (James, Joseph, John, etc.). In these cases you just have to have more info to interpret who lives where. A survey of the male first names that appear in the English family leaves little doubt that T English was Thomas English. The question is "Which Thomas English was it?" It was very, very unlikely to have been the Thomas who was the son of Amy T Waller & James English. At this point I am relying on information from others: 1) he was living in Kentucky by 1810, & 2) he died in 1820. I haven't seen a doc confirming his death, but the Thomas English listed in the 1810 census is listed just above a William Waller & then Thomas English, Jr. I have seen a few examples of groups of persons from the area moving south (e.g. Waller & Ellis), and it certainly makes sense, so I think that Thomas is James & Amy's son. There are several other grandchildren & great grandchildren with Thomas as a first or middle name, but I haven't found any who were in Little Creek Hundred at that time. Just to be clear, however, this is not something I have done exhaustively. **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** ****************************************** [Now the part that benefits from having the map] [I have attached a file showing all of Little Creek Hundred west of modern US 13. I'll be happy to send it directly to anyone who wants to see it.] District 50 is in the upper left-hand corner. In District 50, the road at the that sort-of parallels the river is very close to the modern-day "Old Sharptown Road" (Rd 494) and the combination of roads running east-west at the bottom of District 50 approximate the present Sharptown-Laurel Road (Rte 54), at least until they reach Mt. Pleasant Road (the road that parallels Tussocky Branch on its west side). The label, "T English", starts just beside the north-south MD/DE line almost exactly halfway down the edge of District 50. My experience is that the name alone indicates a homestead/working farm and other structures that are VERY close by, e.g. a store, sawmill ("S Mill"), or grist mill ("G Mill") implicitly belong to that person as well. I take it, therefore, that both the residence on the creek and one (possibly two) residences on the west side of the creek were his. If a structure indicates a residence only, I see the editors use the abbreviation "Res". I also sometimes see the abbreviation "Est", which I guess is a reference to "Estate", but I don't know if that means the estate of a deceased person or, less likely, something grander. The sawmill & farm just upstream from T English (i.e. towards the bottom right) belonged to J Ellis, who was my great great grandfather, Joseph H Ellis. Amy Threlkeld Waller was his great great aunt. The series of roads at the bottom of the map, paralleling the Transpeninsular Line approximate the (Mardela->) Delmar Road (Rte 24). Finally, two of the roads I mentioned earlier, Sarah Beach Road & Jersey Road appear on this map as well. Susan Beach Road (Spring Hill Road until it crosses Delmar Road) enters the map just to the right of the "M" in "MARYLAND" at the bottom, passes between the "S" & "T" in "Dist No. 49", and gradually angles toward the northeast into Laurel. Jersey Road enters at the bottom, just to the right of the "A" in "MARYLAND", changes its name to "Providence Church Road (Rd 504) and joins Susan Beach Road at the Episcopal Church (St Marks). I mention these latter details so you can identify the roads I was discussing earlier and so you can visualize where I was saying the "Waller Homestead" was located (immediately below the "A" in "MARYLAND"). ...So, in about 150 years, this T English had moved about 3 miles, as the crow flies. There are several other facts that you might find interesting. 1) St Marks Episcopal Church, at the corner of Susan Beach Road (Rd 509) & Providence Church Road (Rd 504) was founded in the 1800s by the Ellis, Ralph, & Freeny families. It was closed and deconsecrated by the Diocese of Delaware in the 1960s. The graveyard contains the graves of some Ralphs, Freenys & others, but the great majority are Ellises. 2) the area from just below St Marks, north along Susan Beach Road, almost up to the Sharptown-Laurel Road is known as "Ralphs" on the ADC maps of the area, and several Ralph families are still in the area, but I have never heard it called that. I attended St Marks until it was closed. By then the congregation was tiny (<30 persons each Sunday), but I never recall a Ralph family member attending- even at Christmas. I can't say that there were abssolutely no Freenys around in the 1960s, but I didn't know of any. 3) the small cemetery ("Cem") just south of St Marks, on the east side of Susan Beach Road was/is Ralphs Hill Cemetery. Ironically, there are only a few Ralphs there- most of the graves are Ellises, Baileys & Phillipses, and, from what I know of the the family members I recognize there, this was the cemetery for the Methodist members of the respective families. I have asked in the community, but no one I know is aware of where the church was that accompanied this cemetery. The only clue I have is the "M P Church" you can see on the map, at the corner of the road just below the cemetery. Closer to Laurel, up Susan Beach Road was another abandoned Methodist church at what was known as "Horsey's Grove" (in the small triangle formed by roads, just to the left of the "137" in "Dist No. 137"). 4) the rural community immediately surrounding the triangle formed by the Delmar Road (Rte 24), Providence Church Road & Susan Beach Road was known as "Providence". It still is called that by those of us who had immediate family in the area. 5) to the west, along Columbia Road (Rd 76) was, and still is, called (strangely enough) "Columbia". These days I have the impression that "Columbia" is used to refer to just about all of the southwestern corner of Little Creek Hundred, along both Columbia & Delmar Roads, as well as the area I just identified as "Providence". 6) Jersey Road & Providence Church Road were significant early colonial roads, because, together, they formed a route that followed the west side of the upper reaches of the Wicomico River, leading towards Portsville & Laurel by a path that encountered the least topographical resistance (in this case, the fewest streams). Laurel and Portsville were important towns as they were located on the south shore of Broad Creek, in two of the very few places where high ground came down to the river's edge. As you can see, many of the streams on the south side of the Nanticoke and Broad Creek were dammed for saw mills & grist mills, but only Tussocky Branch & Little Creek joined their respective larger tributary at a place with high, stable banks (Portsville & Laurel, respectively). Before 1859, Delmar was not a market center of any importance. 7) Spring Hill Road & Susan Beach Road, together formed a colonial road connecting the Salisbury-Barren Creek-Vienna Road, at the place where it is joined by a road from Quantico & Hebron, to Laurel. Again, this road follows a path essentially on high ground. Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:53 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, your note is not "too chatty" for this forum. Rather, it is highly informative to those of us who have ancestors from the area you are discussing. I appreciate the information you are offering. Question: you wrote that you found a "T English living " at a specific location. Am I correct in saying that the property was owned by T English but might not have been his home? This would account for numerous instances of the same name appearing several times in an area, but there was only one person with that name. 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Hi Elizabeth- One thing I didn't discuss was the importance of the Nanticoke River & it's large tributary, Broad Creek, in affecting the way families moved about over generations. In my view, there were 3 things going on: 1) Search and acquisition of (preferably free) land to establish farms & homesteads; 2) Exploitation of local topography & resources to establish non-farming economic activities, such as sawmills, gristmills, shipping & market centers; 3) Distribution of populations around market centers. At the risk of being too theoretical, in this area during the 1700s & early 1800s, we can look at the towns as the primary market centers and the more widely distributed mills as secondary market centers. Except for the very earliest settlers in this area, it is most reasonable to characterize residents here as having some expectation of being able to live near a venue to exchange goods & services. No one was coming here to find a place to get away from other folks (in the way that we have learned that the earliest settlers moved into Kentucky or the Ohio Valley) Everyone can see the logical extension of this- Following what probably originally were Native American trails, new arrivals moved out to available land in locations that optimized the distance(s) to market centers. This would explain how local families in the 19th century appear to be clustered along the colonial roads that formed lines connecting towns such as Salisbury - Laurel (- Seaford) & Salisbury (- Barren Creek) - Vienna. It also explains why the earliest roads and settlement patterns do not go from Salisbury (est c. 1732) towards Georgetown (est. 1791). Laurel appears to have been "founded" c. 1683, Seaford- c. 1720, & Vienna, MD- c. 1706. Not coincidentally, according to Thomas Scharf, in his "History of Delaware", the last free land in Sussex County was located near the middle of the county, east of Laurel & Seaford, and was granted c. 1830. I have virtually no family members who lived east of US 13, which passes in a north-south line from Seaford to Salisbury. So... How was it that successive generations found land close to their parents? The answer is, in part, that they didn't. I can see members of every family that I follow moving into the Carolinas & Georgia in the earliest 1800s and a little later (c. 1830) into Ohio, Illinois & Indiana, as the Northwest Territories gradually opened up. I believe that the ones who remained (frequently, the oldest sons), were able to do so because the earliest patents were large enough to subdivide, and they, through inheritance, their parents' good will, or relationships with their neighbors, were able to carve out smaller, but still substantial homesteads near to their family homes. In addition, established families probably had enough accumulated wealth or visible income stream to pay for these land purchases. Newcomers would have had access to these purchases in a much smaller percentage of their numbers, so they would have tended to move along to the next available land. ...At least, that's how I understand things. Back to the river... It was all about high ground. All the towns along the Nanticoke & Broad Creek are located at places where the river has a solid shoreline, which would allow for building and convenient approach. Vienna was the farthest downstream, had the deepest channel & had overland access to Cambridge. Seaford and Laurel had dammable [sp?] creeks which reached the larger tributary where they were located, & were "gateways" for shipping to & from the farmland surrounding them. On the north shore of the Nanticoke, there is no high ground between Seaford & Vienna*, so other towns on the south shore (Sharptown & Riverton) were founded later and would have been dead ends for folks migrating into the area from Salisbury. On Broad Creek there were Laurel & Portsville, but Portsville, like Sharptown faced swamp and marshland on its opposite shore. It's a bit more complicated, because Portsville was closer to the confluence of Broad Creek & the Nanticoke, so anyone crossing Broad Creek at Portsville would have to turn east to avoid immediately having to cross the Nanticoke. *There are two additional locations along the north shore- a farm near Galestown comes very close to the river and Woodland (Cannon's Ferry) sits on the river above Broad Creek, but it is a relatively small site and faces marshland on its opposing shore. When all is considered, the routes northward from Salisbury through Laurel (then Seaford) and Vienna seem to have compellingly obvious advantages. When I was growing up in Sharptown in the 1950s & '60s, the great majority of the town's population (~550 persons) had their family affiliations to the south, towards Little Creek Hundred & Wicomico County. I have not been able to explain, however, why more people did not enter the area through Laurel & Seaford, instead of Salisbury. It may have had something to do with possible limitations on their links to colonial ports of entry, but I just don't know... I'll send you the map in just a minute and I think you will be able to see where all of these families were concentrated. Actually, the Vincent/Vinson family is present, but not in great numbers. You can, however, see clear clusters, but all of the families you mention are interrelated. Can you guess how I know???? In my research, I discovered an interesting phenomenon. It is one of those self-evident things, but I had not fully appreciated the importance of large families in enhancing the subsequent interrelation of area families. The larger families that pop up occasionally in each family line, not only increased the number of their descendants, but also dramatically increased the number of surnames that thereafter would be part of those counted as relatives. That meant a lot of 1st cousins... Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EMSCRS@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:37 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, I would love to have copies of any maps that might assist me in determining the wandering of my various family connections (they were all footloose and fancy free). Surnames of interest are Vincent/Vinson, Mills, Hearn, Badley/Bradley, Cooper, and probably everyone else, since they all seem to have married each other over and over and over. After 25 years, I am still stuck with this mysterious Lucinda who had five children, but apparently no other relatives of any degree other than a possible sister-in-law, whose first name changed in each and every census. They all floated around the Barren Creek/Laurel/Seaford area, with occasional forays elsewhere. Elizabeth (EMSCRS@aol.com) In a message dated 5/19/2014 10:12:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tbphillips@verizon.net writes: Hi Jim- Last night I wrote a substantial response to your question, thinking I could illustrate it with an attached image of the western half of the Beers 1868 Little Creek Hundred map. But... as everyone else probably knew, we cannot include attachments in emails to rootsweb.com. Therefore I have edited what I originally wrote into two parts- those comments that stand alone and those which really depend upon the map. I have mentioned this before, but, once again, if anyone wants me to send them the image privately, I will be happy to. My email address is tbphillips@verizon.net. I realize that some folks will have reasonable privacy concerns, but unfortunately I have no solution that doesn't involve sending the file to a private email address. I have seen other copies of this map on the internet, but none are particularly good. My copy is from a photo I took of the flattened map, which was then processed with Photoshop to enhance contrast & color saturation and to sharpen the lines & labels. The resolution is very, very good. Anyway... You are right, Jim, in suggesting that the same name appears in multiple places on the map, when a person could only live in one place at a time. It's hard to apply, however, a single rule to interpret what is going on. Sometimes it is exactly as you suggest, but in those cases the proximity of the places reinforces this implication. Also, there may simply be matching initials very close to the name. At other times the explanation is simply that a son of the same name (or initial) lives nearby. Finally, there are a lot of J Ellises, J Phillipses, J Coopers, etc. This arises, I think, because there were many popular names that began with J (James, Joseph, John, etc.). In these cases you just have to have more info to interpret who lives where. A survey of the male first names that appear in the English family leaves little doubt that T English was Thomas English. The question is "Which Thomas English was it?" It was very, very unlikely to have been the Thomas who was the son of Amy T Waller & James English. At this point I am relying on information from others: 1) he was living in Kentucky by 1810, & 2) he died in 1820. I haven't seen a doc confirming his death, but the Thomas English listed in the 1810 census is listed just above a William Waller & then Thomas English, Jr. I have seen a few examples of groups of persons from the area moving south (e.g. Waller & Ellis), and it certainly makes sense, so I think that Thomas is James & Amy's son. There are several other grandchildren & great grandchildren with Thomas as a first or middle name, but I haven't found any who were in Little Creek Hundred at that time. Just to be clear, however, this is not something I have done exhaustively. **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** ****************************************** [Now the part that benefits from having the map] [I have attached a file showing all of Little Creek Hundred west of modern US 13. I'll be happy to send it directly to anyone who wants to see it.] District 50 is in the upper left-hand corner. In District 50, the road at the that sort-of parallels the river is very close to the modern-day "Old Sharptown Road" (Rd 494) and the combination of roads running east-west at the bottom of District 50 approximate the present Sharptown-Laurel Road (Rte 54), at least until they reach Mt. Pleasant Road (the road that parallels Tussocky Branch on its west side). The label, "T English", starts just beside the north-south MD/DE line almost exactly halfway down the edge of District 50. My experience is that the name alone indicates a homestead/working farm and other structures that are VERY close by, e.g. a store, sawmill ("S Mill"), or grist mill ("G Mill") implicitly belong to that person as well. I take it, therefore, that both the residence on the creek and one (possibly two) residences on the west side of the creek were his. If a structure indicates a residence only, I see the editors use the abbreviation "Res". I also sometimes see the abbreviation "Est", which I guess is a reference to "Estate", but I don't know if that means the estate of a deceased person or, less likely, something grander. The sawmill & farm just upstream from T English (i.e. towards the bottom right) belonged to J Ellis, who was my great great grandfather, Joseph H Ellis. Amy Threlkeld Waller was his great great aunt. The series of roads at the bottom of the map, paralleling the Transpeninsular Line approximate the (Mardela->) Delmar Road (Rte 24). Finally, two of the roads I mentioned earlier, Sarah Beach Road & Jersey Road appear on this map as well. Susan Beach Road (Spring Hill Road until it crosses Delmar Road) enters the map just to the right of the "M" in "MARYLAND" at the bottom, passes between the "S" & "T" in "Dist No. 49", and gradually angles toward the northeast into Laurel. Jersey Road enters at the bottom, just to the right of the "A" in "MARYLAND", changes its name to "Providence Church Road (Rd 504) and joins Susan Beach Road at the Episcopal Church (St Marks). I mention these latter details so you can identify the roads I was discussing earlier and so you can visualize where I was saying the "Waller Homestead" was located (immediately below the "A" in "MARYLAND"). ...So, in about 150 years, this T English had moved about 3 miles, as the crow flies. There are several other facts that you might find interesting. 1) St Marks Episcopal Church, at the corner of Susan Beach Road (Rd 509) & Providence Church Road (Rd 504) was founded in the 1800s by the Ellis, Ralph, & Freeny families. It was closed and deconsecrated by the Diocese of Delaware in the 1960s. The graveyard contains the graves of some Ralphs, Freenys & others, but the great majority are Ellises. 2) the area from just below St Marks, north along Susan Beach Road, almost up to the Sharptown-Laurel Road is known as "Ralphs" on the ADC maps of the area, and several Ralph families are still in the area, but I have never heard it called that. I attended St Marks until it was closed. By then the congregation was tiny (<30 persons each Sunday), but I never recall a Ralph family member attending- even at Christmas. I can't say that there were abssolutely no Freenys around in the 1960s, but I didn't know of any. 3) the small cemetery ("Cem") just south of St Marks, on the east side of Susan Beach Road was/is Ralphs Hill Cemetery. Ironically, there are only a few Ralphs there- most of the graves are Ellises, Baileys & Phillipses, and, from what I know of the the family members I recognize there, this was the cemetery for the Methodist members of the respective families. I have asked in the community, but no one I know is aware of where the church was that accompanied this cemetery. The only clue I have is the "M P Church" you can see on the map, at the corner of the road just below the cemetery. Closer to Laurel, up Susan Beach Road was another abandoned Methodist church at what was known as "Horsey's Grove" (in the small triangle formed by roads, just to the left of the "137" in "Dist No. 137"). 4) the rural community immediately surrounding the triangle formed by the Delmar Road (Rte 24), Providence Church Road & Susan Beach Road was known as "Providence". It still is called that by those of us who had immediate family in the area. 5) to the west, along Columbia Road (Rd 76) was, and still is, called (strangely enough) "Columbia". These days I have the impression that "Columbia" is used to refer to just about all of the southwestern corner of Little Creek Hundred, along both Columbia & Delmar Roads, as well as the area I just identified as "Providence". 6) Jersey Road & Providence Church Road were significant early colonial roads, because, together, they formed a route that followed the west side of the upper reaches of the Wicomico River, leading towards Portsville & Laurel by a path that encountered the least topographical resistance (in this case, the fewest streams). Laurel and Portsville were important towns as they were located on the south shore of Broad Creek, in two of the very few places where high ground came down to the river's edge. As you can see, many of the streams on the south side of the Nanticoke and Broad Creek were dammed for saw mills & grist mills, but only Tussocky Branch & Little Creek joined their respective larger tributary at a place with high, stable banks (Portsville & Laurel, respectively). Before 1859, Delmar was not a market center of any importance. 7) Spring Hill Road & Susan Beach Road, together formed a colonial road connecting the Salisbury-Barren Creek-Vienna Road, at the place where it is joined by a road from Quantico & Hebron, to Laurel. Again, this road follows a path essentially on high ground. Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:53 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, your note is not "too chatty" for this forum. Rather, it is highly informative to those of us who have ancestors from the area you are discussing. I appreciate the information you are offering. Question: you wrote that you found a "T English living " at a specific location. Am I correct in saying that the property was owned by T English but might not have been his home? This would account for numerous instances of the same name appearing several times in an area, but there was only one person with that name. 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If you have any web browser and you're willing to register at www.google.com, you can upload any document or file to drive.google.com for free, then copy and post the link to the file on the list. Those who want to download the file can do so by clicking on the link without any danger of picking up viruses, etc. -Stuart > On May 20, 2014, at 9:31 AM, lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I have mentioned this before, but, once again, if anyone wants me to send > them the image privately, I will be happy to. My email address is > tbphillips@verizon.net. I realize that some folks will have reasonable > privacy concerns, but unfortunately I have no solution that doesn't involve > sending the file to a private email address.

Terry, I would love to have copies of any maps that might assist me in determining the wandering of my various family connections (they were all footloose and fancy free). Surnames of interest are Vincent/Vinson, Mills, Hearn, Badley/Bradley, Cooper, and probably everyone else, since they all seem to have married each other over and over and over. After 25 years, I am still stuck with this mysterious Lucinda who had five children, but apparently no other relatives of any degree other than a possible sister-in-law, whose first name changed in each and every census. They all floated around the Barren Creek/Laurel/Seaford area, with occasional forays elsewhere. Elizabeth (EMSCRS@aol.com) In a message dated 5/19/2014 10:12:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tbphillips@verizon.net writes: Hi Jim- Last night I wrote a substantial response to your question, thinking I could illustrate it with an attached image of the western half of the Beers 1868 Little Creek Hundred map. But... as everyone else probably knew, we cannot include attachments in emails to rootsweb.com. Therefore I have edited what I originally wrote into two parts- those comments that stand alone and those which really depend upon the map. I have mentioned this before, but, once again, if anyone wants me to send them the image privately, I will be happy to. My email address is tbphillips@verizon.net. I realize that some folks will have reasonable privacy concerns, but unfortunately I have no solution that doesn't involve sending the file to a private email address. I have seen other copies of this map on the internet, but none are particularly good. My copy is from a photo I took of the flattened map, which was then processed with Photoshop to enhance contrast & color saturation and to sharpen the lines & labels. The resolution is very, very good. Anyway... You are right, Jim, in suggesting that the same name appears in multiple places on the map, when a person could only live in one place at a time. It's hard to apply, however, a single rule to interpret what is going on. Sometimes it is exactly as you suggest, but in those cases the proximity of the places reinforces this implication. Also, there may simply be matching initials very close to the name. At other times the explanation is simply that a son of the same name (or initial) lives nearby. Finally, there are a lot of J Ellises, J Phillipses, J Coopers, etc. This arises, I think, because there were many popular names that began with J (James, Joseph, John, etc.). In these cases you just have to have more info to interpret who lives where. A survey of the male first names that appear in the English family leaves little doubt that T English was Thomas English. The question is "Which Thomas English was it?" It was very, very unlikely to have been the Thomas who was the son of Amy T Waller & James English. At this point I am relying on information from others: 1) he was living in Kentucky by 1810, & 2) he died in 1820. I haven't seen a doc confirming his death, but the Thomas English listed in the 1810 census is listed just above a William Waller & then Thomas English, Jr. I have seen a few examples of groups of persons from the area moving south (e.g. Waller & Ellis), and it certainly makes sense, so I think that Thomas is James & Amy's son. There are several other grandchildren & great grandchildren with Thomas as a first or middle name, but I haven't found any who were in Little Creek Hundred at that time. Just to be clear, however, this is not something I have done exhaustively. **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** ****************************************** [Now the part that benefits from having the map] [I have attached a file showing all of Little Creek Hundred west of modern US 13. I'll be happy to send it directly to anyone who wants to see it.] District 50 is in the upper left-hand corner. In District 50, the road at the that sort-of parallels the river is very close to the modern-day "Old Sharptown Road" (Rd 494) and the combination of roads running east-west at the bottom of District 50 approximate the present Sharptown-Laurel Road (Rte 54), at least until they reach Mt. Pleasant Road (the road that parallels Tussocky Branch on its west side). The label, "T English", starts just beside the north-south MD/DE line almost exactly halfway down the edge of District 50. My experience is that the name alone indicates a homestead/working farm and other structures that are VERY close by, e.g. a store, sawmill ("S Mill"), or grist mill ("G Mill") implicitly belong to that person as well. I take it, therefore, that both the residence on the creek and one (possibly two) residences on the west side of the creek were his. If a structure indicates a residence only, I see the editors use the abbreviation "Res". I also sometimes see the abbreviation "Est", which I guess is a reference to "Estate", but I don't know if that means the estate of a deceased person or, less likely, something grander. The sawmill & farm just upstream from T English (i.e. towards the bottom right) belonged to J Ellis, who was my great great grandfather, Joseph H Ellis. Amy Threlkeld Waller was his great great aunt. The series of roads at the bottom of the map, paralleling the Transpeninsular Line approximate the (Mardela->) Delmar Road (Rte 24). Finally, two of the roads I mentioned earlier, Sarah Beach Road & Jersey Road appear on this map as well. Susan Beach Road (Spring Hill Road until it crosses Delmar Road) enters the map just to the right of the "M" in "MARYLAND" at the bottom, passes between the "S" & "T" in "Dist No. 49", and gradually angles toward the northeast into Laurel. Jersey Road enters at the bottom, just to the right of the "A" in "MARYLAND", changes its name to "Providence Church Road (Rd 504) and joins Susan Beach Road at the Episcopal Church (St Marks). I mention these latter details so you can identify the roads I was discussing earlier and so you can visualize where I was saying the "Waller Homestead" was located (immediately below the "A" in "MARYLAND"). ...So, in about 150 years, this T English had moved about 3 miles, as the crow flies. There are several other facts that you might find interesting. 1) St Marks Episcopal Church, at the corner of Susan Beach Road (Rd 509) & Providence Church Road (Rd 504) was founded in the 1800s by the Ellis, Ralph, & Freeny families. It was closed and deconsecrated by the Diocese of Delaware in the 1960s. The graveyard contains the graves of some Ralphs, Freenys & others, but the great majority are Ellises. 2) the area from just below St Marks, north along Susan Beach Road, almost up to the Sharptown-Laurel Road is known as "Ralphs" on the ADC maps of the area, and several Ralph families are still in the area, but I have never heard it called that. I attended St Marks until it was closed. By then the congregation was tiny (<30 persons each Sunday), but I never recall a Ralph family member attending- even at Christmas. I can't say that there were abssolutely no Freenys around in the 1960s, but I didn't know of any. 3) the small cemetery ("Cem") just south of St Marks, on the east side of Susan Beach Road was/is Ralphs Hill Cemetery. Ironically, there are only a few Ralphs there- most of the graves are Ellises, Baileys & Phillipses, and, from what I know of the the family members I recognize there, this was the cemetery for the Methodist members of the respective families. I have asked in the community, but no one I know is aware of where the church was that accompanied this cemetery. The only clue I have is the "M P Church" you can see on the map, at the corner of the road just below the cemetery. Closer to Laurel, up Susan Beach Road was another abandoned Methodist church at what was known as "Horsey's Grove" (in the small triangle formed by roads, just to the left of the "137" in "Dist No. 137"). 4) the rural community immediately surrounding the triangle formed by the Delmar Road (Rte 24), Providence Church Road & Susan Beach Road was known as "Providence". It still is called that by those of us who had immediate family in the area. 5) to the west, along Columbia Road (Rd 76) was, and still is, called (strangely enough) "Columbia". These days I have the impression that "Columbia" is used to refer to just about all of the southwestern corner of Little Creek Hundred, along both Columbia & Delmar Roads, as well as the area I just identified as "Providence". 6) Jersey Road & Providence Church Road were significant early colonial roads, because, together, they formed a route that followed the west side of the upper reaches of the Wicomico River, leading towards Portsville & Laurel by a path that encountered the least topographical resistance (in this case, the fewest streams). Laurel and Portsville were important towns as they were located on the south shore of Broad Creek, in two of the very few places where high ground came down to the river's edge. As you can see, many of the streams on the south side of the Nanticoke and Broad Creek were dammed for saw mills & grist mills, but only Tussocky Branch & Little Creek joined their respective larger tributary at a place with high, stable banks (Portsville & Laurel, respectively). Before 1859, Delmar was not a market center of any importance. 7) Spring Hill Road & Susan Beach Road, together formed a colonial road connecting the Salisbury-Barren Creek-Vienna Road, at the place where it is joined by a road from Quantico & Hebron, to Laurel. Again, this road follows a path essentially on high ground. Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Moore Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:53 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Terry, your note is not "too chatty" for this forum. Rather, it is highly informative to those of us who have ancestors from the area you are discussing. I appreciate the information you are offering. Question: you wrote that you found a "T English living " at a specific location. Am I correct in saying that the property was owned by T English but might not have been his home? This would account for numerous instances of the same name appearing several times in an area, but there was only one person with that name. Jim Moore Sent from iPhone > On May 18, 2014, at 12:03 AM, "Terry Phillips-Seitz" <tbphillips@verizon.net> wrote: > > maiden name (Mary Threlkeld) *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen- I was so wrapped up with my failed attempt to send the email with an attached file that I wasn't able to write to you with more details. Even though many of the English family appear to have moved to Kentucky, there are a few juicy details about those who did not. Of particular interest to me was Elisha's brother, Levin, who married Sarah Bailey, another relative of mine. (By the way, I saw the transcription of Elisha's very impressive obituary). If you did not grow up in lower Delmarva you might not appreciate just how likely it is that any two persons from down there are related. It used to be a joke (although I believe that my parents didn't think it was very funny), but now it's more like a game- guessing just HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAYS those two persons are likely to be related. There are, of course, a few exceptions, but if you know someone from the Mardela Springs / Sharptown / Laurel / Delmar /Hebron area who shares your last name, the chances that you two are related truly approaches certainty. Just how you might be related is sometimes the interesting part. Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Chaney Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:06 PM To: Karen Chaney Subject: [LDR] REgarding English, Waller, and Threlkeld living near "head of Blackwater" creek area Thank you so much for your very helpful information about the Blackwater Creek/Broad Creek area and the Waller family there. To Terry, 1-Since we are related through Amy Waller, do you happen to know where the Threlkeld comes into the line? The James English family was in the Salisbury/Laurel area from early 1700s-Inglish Lott 50 acres purchased 1742 Until the early part of the 1800's---after son Thomas sold King's Luck plantation. The bulk of my English relatives left Sussex, Delaware for Barren Co. Kentucky about 1790 so that explains why they are not in any later atlas of the area. 2-Does anyone know if "Old Spring Hill Episcopal Church" has any records still in existence and their location? The email written by "on Behalf of Miller's Choice" was very helpful as well in locating a close proximity to their land purchases while in the Stepney Paris/Laurel Sussex area. We now have a much better idea of location for each purchase. 3-Does anyone have an idea where to find a marriage record if it exists for 2nd wife to James English for Rachel Collins about 1770/1771 if they were still living in this same area of King's Luck and Stepney Parish part that became lower Sussex Co. Delaware after 1765? Appreciate everyone sharing their expertise! Karen *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne- Sorry I haven't written back as I had promised. I kept thinking I would go by the Waller cemetery & take some pix first, but so far, I have had about a half-dozen false starts, including last Friday. That is not my only reason for going down there, so I should be able to send you something within a month. In addition, I have been planning to meet with my cousin, who has some idea of Ellis home place(s), depending upon the generation. Like the Wallers, their farms are heavily concentrated around that intersection and over successive generations they moved north, along Jersey Road. A few moments ago, I sent another email that was an edited version of one I tried to send with an attached image of the western "half" of the Beers 1868 map of Little Creek Hundred. If you would like, I can still send it to you at the email address you were using in January. If so, you should be able to see the Wallers, Ellises, Hearns, etc., who lived just north of the state line at that time. As I have said, it is no coincidence that folks still lived there. The trick is to match up the labels with family trees & the 1850, 1860 & 1870 census info. ...But that's another project and I thought it would be nice to finish something before I started really examining census data. I also have 1877 maps of the Wicomico County Districts just below the state line, but those still are subject to copyright and I have to look into the possibility of fair use, or pay for electronic licenses, before I can, in good faith, share them. I am considering transcribing the information relating to Waller Road onto a copy of the Little Creek Hundred map, but, again, I have to confirm that simple transcription doesn't present a problem, at least for non-commercial use. I have wanted to write to you about Thomas, Amy Threlkeld's father. If you recall, you shared with me your research that strongly suggests that he was NOT the son of William Waller & Bridget Nelson, but rather was brought over by a Robert Collier. "....there is more than one Thomas Waller line; the reference that my line started with another Thomas Waller entering at VA around 1640 and being brought around to Nanticoke 100 by Robert Collier. Robert Collier claimed in 1675 150 acres for transporting Henry Sarsnett, Thomas Stone, & Thomas Waller. [Provincial Land Office, Patents:LL:422]" I think you are correct in that a Thomas Waller was brought over, but I recently found a reference that suggests that he was brought over by a relative, Nathaniel Waller, presumably Nataniel, the son of William Waller & Bridget Nelson. "U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about Nathaniel Waller Name: Nathaniel Waller Arrival Year: 1734 Arrival Place: Maryland Family Members: Relative Nathaniel, Sr. Source Publication Code: 1243 Primary Immigrant: Waller, Thomas Annotation: Date and place of mention in land survey. County and name of land purchased are provided. Original records are contained in Land Office Registers, indexed starting on page vii of the introduction. Source Bibliography: COLDHAM, PETER WILSON. Settlers Of Maryland 1679 - 1783. Consolidated Edition. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2002. Page: 689" On one hand, this provides a reassuring link back to the early Old Somerset Wallers, but at the same time it doesn't leave things exactly clear. I haven't looked into this any more, thinking I would talk to you first. ...But here we are. Terry (I just saw your request for the map come into my Inbox) -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Ramsby Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 3:07 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Cemetery location Terry, Is there any chance you know which Waller's are in the one off Jersey & Waller Roads? I think you mentioned you were going to take photos of it. Anne Ramsby -----Original Message----- From: Terry Phillips-Seitz Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:03 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Hi Karen- Threlkeld was Amy's mother's maiden name (Mary Threlkeld) Mary possibly was born in Herefordshire, England. There is a baptismal record (May 9, 1697) listing her father as John Threlkeld and her mother as Mary ____, although we can never be certain that this was the same Mary Threlkeld Waller. As you might guess, there are a lot of Marys & Johns out there for every surname and it would mean that she married Thomas Waller at an age of around 15 - 16 years. Nevertheless, Threlkeld is not currently a common name in lower Delmarva and neither do I think that historically was it common in the area between the Nanticoke & Wicomico Rivers. I have always taken this to indicate that she may have been "brought over" as a single woman (or and only daughter) by someone, which was not unheard of in the 1600s - very early 1700s. When I wrote earlier I forgot to point out your impression that Thomas & Amy Waller lived in Salisbury town is most likely confused with Salisbury's role as the economic center of Wicomico Hundred, which was the demographic area that included the Waller homestead. After the American Revolution, when Hundreds in Maryland were generally replaced by (voting) Districts, the area around the Waller homestead was known as Salisbury District (District No. 9). The question of where the records are is a bit complicated, and I'm sure others have a clearer idea about where the Green Hill records are, but even though I suggested that Old Spring Hill was their church, they also may have attended Old Christ Church, just outside Laurel, DE. A problem that arises is due to the fact that Old Green Hill, which was the home church for Stepney Parish is in the Diocese of Easton (MD), but is no longer an active church, and Old Christ Church, which was a chapel of ease in Stepney Parish, now falls within the Diocese of Delaware. My impression is that Old Green Hill's records might be in the care of St. Peter's in Salisbury and Old Christ Church's records are in the care of St. Philips, in Laurel. I am not certain of this and, because it affects so many of my/our ancestors, I have been intending to find out definitively. A corollary to this is the fact that records recorded at Old Green Hill ("Stepney Parish, Somerset County, MD") do not necessarily imply that the persons involved actually lived in Somerset County. This is true not only because (as Mike Hitch has suggested) of the ambiguity of the location of the state line in early days, but also because the location of the record (i.e. Somerset County) is erroneously taken to mean the location of the event. This is especially true for families such as the Wallers, who lived along the Transpeninsular Line, and members of their family were equally likely to have been living in Little Creek Hundred of Sussex County, DE. I plan to look into this within the next month and I'll share what I find (if others have not already). As Mike Hitch implied, I doubt that you will be able to determine the exact locations of the various properties you initially mentioned. These patent and homestead names seldom survive to more recent times, but other information does indicate that James, Amy & SOME of their children stayed in the area. I took another look at the Beers 1868 Little Creek Hundred plate and found a "T English" living in an area known as Ellis Grove, just west of Cod Creek in the section labelled "Dist. No. 50" (~ 5 miles from the Waller place). I found another English living near Riverton on the 1877 Sharptown District map. At least two of Elisha's brothers, Levin & Thomas were living in Little Creek Hundred in 1800 and Levin was buried near Riverton. As I mentioned earlier, members of the English family still live in the Riverton area. Furthermore, we can see that several of the children married members of families that were clustered near Waller Road &/or Jersey Road (Ralph, Waller, Calloway, Lowe, Nelson & Bailey). I found other family members living not too far away, but I fear this line of thought might be getting a bit too chatty for this forum. If you are interested communicating more, but without boring others, you are welcome to contact me directly at tbphillips@verizon.net. Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Chaney Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:29 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 Thank you so much for your very helpful information about the Blackwater Creek/Broad Creek area and the Waller family there. To Terry, 1-Since we are related through Amy Waller, do you happen to know where the Threlkeld comes into the line? The James English family was in the Salisbury/Laurel area from early 1700s-Inglish Lott 50 acres purchased 1742 Until the early part of the 1800's---after son Thomas sold King's Luck plantation. The bulk of my English relatives left Sussex, Delaware for Barren Co. Kentucky about 1790 so that explains why they are not in any later atlas of the area. 2-Does anyone know if "Old Spring Hill Episcopal Church" has any records still in existence and their location? The email written by "on Behalf of Miller's Choice" was very helpful as well in locating a close proximity to their land purchases while in the Stepney Paris/Laurel Sussex area. We now have a much better idea of location for each purchase. 3-Does anyone have an idea where to find a marriage record if it exists for 2nd wife to James English for Rachel Collins about 1770/1771 if they were still living in this same area of King's Luck and Stepney Parish part that became lower Sussex Co. Delaware after 1765? Appreciate everyone sharing their expertise! Karen -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:00 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 66 LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Administrivia For information about the Lower Delmarva Roots Mailing List, including list guidelines and instructions for unsubscribing and subscribing, see the LDRoots FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ancestors from Salisbury and Somerset and moved to Sussex (Terry Phillips-Seitz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 14:05:29 -0400 From: "Terry Phillips-Seitz" <tbphillips@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [LDR] Ancestors from Salisbury and Somerset and moved to Sussex To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001c01cf6f9f$17c2cf80$47486e80$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sorry- I need to clarify a sentence (poor editing on my part). " I also believe that the fact that records of marriages, baptisms, etc. are recorded at Old Green Hill Church means that they took place in the immediate vicinity of the chapel." should read " I also believe that the fact that records of marriages, baptisms, etc. are recorded at Old Green Hill Church DOES NOT MEAN that they took place in the immediate vicinity of the chapel." Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips-Seitz Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:48 PM To: 'Miller's Choice'; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Ancestors from Salisbury and Somerset and moved to Sussex Hi Karen- Amy Threlkeld Waller almost certainly was born and spent her early life very near the southwest corner of the intersection of Waller Road & Jersey Road in what is now Wicomico County, MD, approximately 1/2 mile from the Transpeninsular Line. Although there is some uncertainty as to just when her father, Thomas Waller, settled in this spot, it is pretty clear that this remained the family home place for many generations. There is, in fact, a Waller Family cemetery only about 100 yards to the west, down Waller Road, from the intersection. Furthermore, from the mid-seventeen hundreds until the mid-eighteen hundreds there were discrete sets of families that lived in this area along Waller Road, between Spring Hill Road and Jersey Road and even on to the east a ways toward what was to become Delmar Village. Those families lived and intermarried in surprisingly distinct groups- Wallers/Ellises/Lowes/Hearns & Bradleys/Coopers/Phillipses that were located at the two ends of this section of Waller Road, eventually intermarrying at normal frequencies in the larger community by around 1840. Of course, these were not exclusive groups- just ones whose families, due to the limitations of transportation & social venues, found it easier to marry very close to home, as it were. I am especially clear on the relationship between the Wallers & their affiliates, because they were all my own antecedents, and the number of intermarriages, especially between the Wallers & their close neighbors (perhaps their closest), the Ellises, provide compelling evidence that both families stayed there and/or very close to that location throughout the beginning of the twentieth century. Amy Threlkeld Waller was my 5th great grand aunt. Although I am not aware of any Englishes nearby the Waller homestead, the "road from Salisbury to Laurel" surely was the Jersey Road. There still are many English family members in the area- certainly in Salisbury and quite a few in Riverton (on the Nanticoke, between Sharptown & Mardela). I also believe that the fact that records of marriages, baptisms, etc. are recorded at Old Green Hill Church means that they took place in the immediate vicinity of the chapel. It is more likely that those services took place in Old Spring Hill Episcopal church, or its antecedent structure, or some family home in the area. Old Spring Hill (St Paul's Episcopal Church), about 6 miles away on US 50, near Hebron, MD, and Old Christ Church, near Laurel, DE, were so-called "chapels of ease" for Stepney Parish, whose home chapel was at Green Hill. Chapels of ease were essentially early Anglican "churches/chapels" that were attended by circuit riders, and had no permanent priest in attendance. I attended Old Spring Hill until I left home for college and should be more certain of this, but I do believe that until St. Paul's became a permanent parish church, all of its records were kept at Green Hill. As to the location of the headwaters of the Nanticoke, Broad Creek and Blackwater, again I would be cautious. Blackwater is a lesser branch of Barren Creek and clearly has been channelized for drainage. I don't know when this was done, but the extent of the channelized drainage ditches in the area suggests that it might have been a CCC project. In any event, Blackwater Creek never gets within 2 miles of Broad Creek proper. The drainage catchments of Tussocky Branch and Little Creek (both tributaries of Broad Creek) do abut that of Blackwater, but, again, where they approach each other we see heavily channelized ditches/creeks. It is almost certain that the peripheries of these streams were simply wetlands that were gradually drained over the years in a way similar to the way woods were cleared for fields. The nearest creek that drains directly into the Nanticoke River is Cod Creek, but it doesn't come that close to the Blackwater drainage area. I believe that "the main road that leads to Broad Creek" most likely was Susan Beach Road (Rd 509) or Mt. Pleasant Road (Rd 514), at least in the area of the Nanticoke River or Broad Creek. Susan Beach Road And Jersey Road were the two principal ways to go from Salisbury towards Portsville and Laurel in the late eighteenth & early nineteenth century. Jersey Road joined Susan Beach Road about two miles into Delaware, just north of the Blackwater watershed. Susan Beach Road went to Laurel and Mt. Pleasant Road branched off to go to Portsville. At that point, both of these latter roads were well within the Broad Creek watershed. It seems to me that Broad Creek and the Nanticoke are less ambiguous datums than the "head of a branch called Blackwater". I own an original copy of the Beers 1868 Atlas of Delaware and I took a quick look at the Little Creek & Broad Creek Hundreds, particularly those parts close to Laurel and Portsville. My experience is that these maps are very good indicators of the locations of family homesteads, both in the present day (at least when I was growing up in the 60s) and implicitly at least back to the first part of the 19th century. Although there were a few families that had a more ephemeral presence in the area, pretty much every family that moved into this area stayed put (excepting, of course, those family members who moved away completely). In my own families, generational movement was relatively slow and took place along Jersey Road towards Laurel or along Columbia Road towards Sharptown. I could not find any English family names on these maps in 1868, including in the map of Laurel. I realize that generalizations such as some of the ones I present are invitations to cite exceptions, but I am confident that they are true for the families I know, including the Wallers. Although by 1868 they had spread to the north (even North of Laurel), from the latter half of the nineteenth century on some of the Waller family remained close to Delmar. I hope this helps. Terry Phillips-Seitz -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miller's Choice Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 1:39 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Ancestors from Salisbury and Somerset and moved to Sussex Karen, ? I think Mike is correct that the English family never moved an inch.? The boundary lines were drawn around them.? It might seem as if they moved, because of the Stepney Parish Records, but what you have to realize is that there was a chapel of ease for Stepney Parish near Laurel, Delaware.? The current structure is called Old Christ Church and was built in 1772, but there was an earlier one.? All the records were maintained as a parish, but the events did not all take place at old Green Hill.? If you examine the Stepney Parish Records, you can see that they are all written in one hand, which tells me that they were copied from original records. ?It's been several decades since I really looked at what we term the "originals" but that is what I remember and at the time I think I even deduced that what we now call the originals were probably penned in the 1880s.? Now, from my examination of the Somerset Parish records, I was able to ascertain that not all rectors were good record keepers.? There are tenures of rectors where not a single marriage or baptism was performed.? I dare say the rectors of Stepney Parish were much the same way.? Even modern rectors are known to lapse in such important recordings.? True story: we had a new rector some quarter century ago at St. Andrew's, Somerset Parish.? He came to me and asked for the marriage date of a friend of mine, also a member of the church, because he had deduced she had been married at the church, but there was no record of it, nor the baptism of her first child.? I had the information and supplied both dates. Why he didn't just ask my friend, I do not know!? And then, some years later, I was asked by yet another rector when my daughter was baptized as he had found a note where it said she was to be, but yet there was no date entered in the records, so I had to find the baptismal certificate. This stuff happens all the time. So, what I'm saying is, the fact that Elisha was not recorded does not mean he is not a child of James English. You'll just have to find another record to prove the connection. ? On 3 June 1756 John Megee, planter, wife Margaret consenting, sold to James English, planter for five shillings, 50 acres of Kings Luck beginning at a marked white oak standing on the east side of the main road that leads to Broad Creek about 50 yards from Phillip King's house lying on the east side of the Nanticoke river about two miles to the north of the head of a branch called Blackwater (Worc D:129). ? If you Google Blackwater Branch and then follow it, that might help somewhat. The Laurel area was once called Broad Creek.? So I'm guessing that King's Luck and probably the other properties were between Delmar and Laurel maybe three to four miles to the west of Route 13.? The trick is where the head of Blackwater Branch is.? I know that I am always surprised where the "head" of a body of water is now, usually just a trickle, barely meriting a culvert, and you really have to know a local person who just "knows".? I'd make inquiries at the Laurel Historical Society for such a person. Perhaps there is someone on this list who makes it their business to know where the heads of creeks are in Sussex County, the way I do for Somerset County. ? There are no records that I know of that are "showing old plantation locations or a listing of property taxes to show neighbors, etc?" You mentioned probate records but did not say if there was a "rest and residue" clause in the will nor the date of the will.? If other children received the remainder of the estate, even though unnamed, they could show up in a distribution of the estate. ? On Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:49 PM, Karen Chaney <lifelonglearner2012@outlook.com> wrote: Dear Listers, > >We are new to this list but have been doing family history for many years. >We've been searching for some proof that our Elisha English born 2 >March >1767 is the son of James and Amey Waller ENGLISH who lived in Salisbury >and married Stepney Parish 1743, and had several of their children >recorded in the Old Green Hill Church there-but the record ends and >does not include >1767 births for this family.? By 1776 the family is found in Little >Creek >100 in Sussex Co., Delaware.? the mother, Amey/Amy is said to have died >about 1770-1771 but no evidence has been found. > >Question-Does anyone have any suggestions for original sources for this >English/Waller family from 1767-1776 in this region?? We have found >some land records referring to the plantation "King's Luck" ,which in >James English probate he left to the 2 oldest sons, and and "Inglish's >Lott" and Englishes Adventure. > >Here are the land deed references: > >? Land Records of James English in Wicomico County > >Englishs Adventure, 47 acres; Certificate > >Developer/Owner: English, James 1753 Patent Record Y and S 7, p. 323 0 >0 MSA S 1601-1267 > >Englishs Adventure, 47 acres; Patent > >Developer/Owner: English, James 1753 Patent Record Y and S 6, p. 28 0 0 >MSA S 1601-1268 > >SOMERSET MD Land records: > >Inglishes Lott, James Inglish, 50 Acres 1740/10/08 Unpatented >Certificate >342 3 0 MSA S 1229-353 > >Inglishes Lott, 50 Acres; Unpatented Certificate > >Developer/Owner: Inglish, James 1748 Unpatented Certificate 342 0 0 MSA >S >1599-2399 > >"James English of Somerset" > >Englishes Adventure, James English, 47 Acres 1752/10/17 Patented 17 Oct. >1752 Certificate 815 3 0 MSA S 1206-890-see image > >Reference: Patented Certificate 815 > >Date: 1752/10/17 > >Description: Englishes Adventure, James English, 47 Acres > >Dear Listers, > >We are new to this list but have been doing family history for many years. >We've been searching for some proof that our Elisha English born 2 >March >1767 is the son of James and Amey Waller ENGLISH who lived in Salisbury >and married Stepney Parish 1743, and had several of their children >recorded in the Old Green Hill Church there-but the record ends and >does not include >1767 births for this family.? By 1776 the family is found in Little >Creek >100 in Sussex Co., Delaware.? the mother, Amey/Amy is said to have died >about 1770-1771 but no evidence has been found. > >Question-Does anyone have any suggestions for original sources for this >English/Waller family from 1767-1776 in this region?? We have found >some land records referring to the plantation "King's Luck" ,which in >James English probate he left to the 2 oldest sons, and and "Inglish's >Lott" and Englishes Adventure. > >Here are the land deed references: > >? Land Records of James English in Wicomico County > >Englishs Adventure, 47 acres; Certificate > >Developer/Owner: English, James 1753 Patent Record Y and S 7, p. 323 0 >0 MSA S 1601-1267 > >Englishs Adventure, 47 acres; Patent > >Developer/Owner: English, James 1753 Patent Record Y and S 6, p. 28 0 0 >MSA S 1601-1268 > >SOMERSET MD Land records: > >Inglishes Lott, James Inglish, 50 Acres 1740/10/08 Unpatented >Certificate >342 3 0 MSA S 1229-353 > >Inglishes Lott, 50 Acres; Unpatented Certificate > >Developer/Owner: Inglish, James 1748 Unpatented Certificate 342 0 0 MSA >S >1599-2399 > >"James English of Somerset" > >Englishes Adventure, James English, 47 Acres 1752/10/17 Patented 17 Oct. >1752 Certificate 815 3 0 MSA S 1206-890-see image > >Reference: Patented Certificate 815 > >Date: 1752/10/17 > >Description: Englishes Adventure, James English, 47 Acr > > > > > >This ENGLISH Family residence was said to be on the road between Laurel >and Salisbury > >Is there any maps showing old plantation locations or a listing of >property taxes to show neighbors, etc? > >Thank you for any help you may share. > >Sincerely, > >This ENGLISH Family residence was said to be on the road between Laurel >and Salisbury > >Is there any maps showing old plantation locations or a listing of >property taxes to show neighbors, etc? > >Thank you for any help you may share. > >Sincerely, > > > >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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