Vera If it is you one shot I would have him test his Y at Family Tree DNA as it is the ONLY primary company that is focusing on Y testing.. there are others but they are not mainstream.. The Y is male to male to male and will NEVER show anything of your mother's father.. It is sex linked and passes only from one male to another. Just like passing an object from hand to hand and breaks and it no longer exists.. Mito DNA is the same way female to female ONLY.. However your brother carries your mother's mito DNA. He cannot pass it on to his children BUT he has it as do you. Family Tree DNA has tests that incorporate both for a fee or test one at a time and your sample remains stored for later use. It will not disappear like AncestryDNA's apparently will do. 23andme for $99 tests autosomal as well as the Y DNA SNPS as Jack Fallin said, also give you your mitoDNA haplogroup.. Jack says the data bases is too small but the database is actually the LARGEST of any company at more than 650,000 testers ALL of whom , if male, had had their Y tested.. The problem is knowing what to do with the results, always. Many people who test at 23andme do not realize what their Y haplogroup means or where even to see it. The problem always is that the tester MUST know how to interpret the tested DNA. It is not magic and requires a lot of work comparing results as Jack had stated. Family Tree DNA since it has Surname Groups is a good place for people who do not have a lot of knowledge. The results can then be compared against others who match either the name or the haplogroup. The results is that you either WILL match others of your surname or you will NOT, in either case it will tell you something. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family
Ack this is so confusing....IF I were to suggest to my brother WHICH tests to do and WHERE to have them done as a this is my 1 shot to get some information about our Hurst family but also would Y for him help with our mother's family line? Thanks... vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jack Fallin Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 3:47 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Y DNA testing - Why no Ys? Dear List, I used Family Tree for my yDNA testing (which turned out to be extremely successful for the questions I was asking), but I imagine that Ancestry had the same system - built, not on SNPs (actual changes on genes) but on copy number repeats (because the number of each set of repeats can vary, if you have enough they can provide quite definitive answers). It is confusing for a newcomer, primarily because any number of repeats below about 67 is close to useless. 23andMe may have been the first to offer YDNA testing based on SNPs (which I have done), but the data base, so far has been too small to offer much "search" potential. FamilyTree has now started to market its SNP testing, but I'm not sure of its details. Perhaps that's the direction Ancestry intends to move. The problem, contained in a number of comments, is that the whole structure of surname DNA affinity groups is currently based on the comparison of repeat sequences - I don't see how they can be accurately "switched" to an SNP based system that is based on a completely different technology. While the two forms of testing should be complementary, they are absolutely not the same. Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:00 AM, lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:07:21 -0400 > From: "Vera Hurst" <vjh2938@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDR] AncestryDN?A terminatin?g Y testing > To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001cf96e9$a3952280$eabf6780$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Kathleen, > Could you email me privately about the Lower Delmarva DNA testing....my brother gave me a surname DNA test for xmas...meaning HE will now agree to have the test for our Hurst surname....which I think will help resolve some Hurst issues at least for us because we cannot figure out 'which' Hurst line we are from...we just don't connect with the 3 brothers in VA ...:) > > Vjl_47@yahoo.com > Thanks, > Vera Hurst > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:36 PM > To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDR] AncestryDN?A terminatin?g Y testing > > Further note from me: after spending the afternoon "rescuing " DNA markers from extinction, I found that of the 16 that I contacted, 6 or 8 e-mails went to the same person ultimately. This person had paid for 8 or 10 of the Sturgis matches. She may have thought I was selling something, which I may giggle about later. Possibly no Sturgis tests needed rescuing. > > Let me just remind anyone with Y tests from AncestryDNA that any surname groups at Family Tree DNA CAN, if they choose to, transfer these markers into their project for $19. However to facilitate matches within the FTDNA system more DNA needs to be tested. The total for that is $58. > > The alternative is to make a free profile at Y search. www.Ysearch.org . OR just get your results ( which are on paper) and keep them in a safe place. > > I have personally tested at all 3 major companies. Family Tree DNA is now the only place that is Y testing. It is not necessarily my choice of testing places but the only place that will now handle Y testing. > > Autosomal or cousin tests are what most people want. 23andme does test autosomal and tells you your mitoDNA and Y haplogroup for the same price. FTDNA charges more but is better for male line testing.(Y) > > The Lower Delmarva DNA group allows males and females to test all 3 tests. We will accept transfers from AncestryDNA for Y mutations as well as the autosomal test which they call Family Finder. We currently have about 200 members and about 60 Family Finders with several currently being processed. > > Just trying to be informational about this topic which is important to many of us. > > I could not ever have gotten so far with my lines without DNA > > Kathleen > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Paula - Sussex County Orphans' Court records, liber A, folio 384 - White Brown was appointed guardian of Lucresy Cannon (minor daughter of Thomas Cannon) and Elizabeth Clarkson (minor daughter of William Clarkson Jr.. Date was late May (probably the 25th) 1776. Mary Lindley -----Original Message----- >From: Paula Furick <pkfurick@msn.com> >Sent: Jul 6, 2014 8:13 PM >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: [LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Md > > >I am looking for information for this person, White Brown. He is said to >have been a land surveyor in Sussex county Delaware, was a member of the >Delaware Volunteer Militia during the Rev War, and then later moved to Ross >County Ohio. I am seeking both: > > 1. documentation of Rev War service, and > 2. any information that would place him in Sussex County DE in the >timeframe of the Revolutionary War, 1770 to 1783. > >Thank you , >Paula Furick >pkfurick@msn.com > >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am looking for information for this person, White Brown. He is said to have been a land surveyor in Sussex county Delaware, was a member of the Delaware Volunteer Militia during the Rev War, and then later moved to Ross County Ohio. I am seeking both: 1. documentation of Rev War service, and 2. any information that would place him in Sussex County DE in the timeframe of the Revolutionary War, 1770 to 1783. Thank you , Paula Furick pkfurick@msn.com
Jack All of that is a bit relative to the family in question. My Faunt/Fant/Font family can do pretty well with 12-25 markers as they are a sort of unique called I2a1a Sardinian.( Politically Anglo Norman but Southern Euro in origin). The real experts for I2a feel that the way forward with that is SNPS and not more markers. Two matches at 37 constitutes a "family" and obviates, in many cases testing out to 67. ISOGG(Genetic Genealogy) feels that both are essential especially with out matches.Matches are the key to whether you need SNPS or more STRS. My Faunt cousin and even my Carrow, Rementer, Dugan and other cousins come up as exactly the same Y haplogroup with different nomenclature at either 23andme or FTDNA and ISOGG agrees. AncestryDNA's STRS only line up with all the other testing companies partially. That was part of their problem. AncestryDNA is jettisoning their Y because it required considerably more IT support to be understandable than they use. That was their other problem. SNPS of course is what they are using for their popular autosomal test. Their IT for that is practically nonexistent. I have tested all 3 autosomally. I much prefer everything at 23andme where I have 13 of my family members tested and gobs of other cousins. I have 2 of us at Family Finder at FTDNA and just me at AncestryDNA. I guess it is saying enough that I will not test anyone else at AncestryDNA or Family Finder although I enjoy my results. I still am hoping that if there are any small families that have only tested at AncestryDNA they transfer their markers SOMEWHERE is a recognizable form. 27 out of the 34 markers they tested match up with the other companies and $12 to being the transfer to FTDNA is cheap enough. Y search.org is free. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family
Dear List, I used Family Tree for my yDNA testing (which turned out to be extremely successful for the questions I was asking), but I imagine that Ancestry had the same system — built, not on SNPs (actual changes on genes) but on copy number repeats (because the number of each set of repeats can vary, if you have enough they can provide quite definitive answers). It is confusing for a newcomer, primarily because any number of repeats below about 67 is close to useless. 23andMe may have been the first to offer YDNA testing based on SNPs (which I have done), but the data base, so far has been too small to offer much “search” potential. FamilyTree has now started to market its SNP testing, but I’m not sure of its details. Perhaps that’s the direction Ancestry intends to move. The problem, contained in a number of comments, is that the whole structure of surname DNA affinity groups is currently based on the comparison of repeat sequences — I don’t see how they can be accurately “switched” to an SNP based system that is based on a completely different technology. While the two forms of testing should be complementary, they are absolutely not the same. Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:00 AM, lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:07:21 -0400 > From: "Vera Hurst" <vjh2938@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDR] AncestryDN?A terminatin?g Y testing > To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001cf96e9$a3952280$eabf6780$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Kathleen, > Could you email me privately about the Lower Delmarva DNA testing....my brother gave me a surname DNA test for xmas...meaning HE will now agree to have the test for our Hurst surname....which I think will help resolve some Hurst issues at least for us because we cannot figure out 'which' Hurst line we are from...we just don't connect with the 3 brothers in VA ...:) > > Vjl_47@yahoo.com > Thanks, > Vera Hurst > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:36 PM > To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDR] AncestryDN?A terminatin?g Y testing > > Further note from me: after spending the afternoon "rescuing " DNA markers from extinction, I found that of the 16 that I contacted, 6 or 8 e-mails went to the same person ultimately. This person had paid for 8 or 10 of the Sturgis matches. She may have thought I was selling something, which I may giggle about later. Possibly no Sturgis tests needed rescuing. > > Let me just remind anyone with Y tests from AncestryDNA that any surname groups at Family Tree DNA CAN, if they choose to, transfer these markers into their project for $19. However to facilitate matches within the FTDNA system more DNA needs to be tested. The total for that is $58. > > The alternative is to make a free profile at Y search. www.Ysearch.org . OR just get your results ( which are on paper) and keep them in a safe place. > > I have personally tested at all 3 major companies. Family Tree DNA is now the only place that is Y testing. It is not necessarily my choice of testing places but the only place that will now handle Y testing. > > Autosomal or cousin tests are what most people want. 23andme does test autosomal and tells you your mitoDNA and Y haplogroup for the same price. FTDNA charges more but is better for male line testing.(Y) > > The Lower Delmarva DNA group allows males and females to test all 3 tests. We will accept transfers from AncestryDNA for Y mutations as well as the autosomal test which they call Family Finder. We currently have about 200 members and about 60 Family Finders with several currently being processed. > > Just trying to be informational about this topic which is important to many of us. > > I could not ever have gotten so far with my lines without DNA > > Kathleen > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ >
The following comes from "NC Research: Genealogy and Local History" edited by Helen Leary, CG (Emeritus), FASG. In the colonial period, the laws for NC and VA were usually the same. p. 43. Under "Strategy for Land Records." Age Limitations. Although a man could buy or be granted land before he was twenty-one, he could not sell it in his name. p. 43. Under "Gender Limitations." A single woman or a widow could buy land and, if twenty-one or over, sell it herself, but before 1868 a married woman normally could not - all the land a wife owned before married or inherited during it came under her husband's control....Even during the colonial period, however, a married woman who had been declared "feme sole" by a court or the legislature (e.g., when separated from her husband) could buy land and sell it in her own name. p. 61. Under "Strategy for Estimating Birth Dates." Deeds. If a person sold land, 'he' was twenty-one or over; 'she' was twenty-one or over and, normally, single or widowed. Witnesses were fourteen or older, but normally twenty-one or over if they "proved" the deed at court. One who bought or was granted land was seldom too young to set up housekeeping on it.
Lower Delmarva DNA is located at Family Tree DNA where you can find many many other Projects. I think several thousand or so I am told. You can always look for your own surname first. https://www.familytreedna.com/ I have 5 of them including Carrow,Fant/Faunt, Rementer and Dugan. Lower Delmarva was started a long time ago by 2 other people and myself as a Regional Geographic Group. 7/2009 .We have a lot of names represented on Y and mito DNA but since the Family Finder test brings in many other surnames as matches for members , obviously many more. I have 2 Co Admins and could use more. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/LowerDelmarva/ Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Stuart Bechman <sbechman@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Kathleen, how can this Lower Delmarva DNA group be reached? > > -Stuart > > From: Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> > : > The Lower Delmarva DNA group allows males and females to test all 3 tests. We will accept transfers from AncestryDNA for Y mutations as well as the autosomal test which they call Family Finder. We currently have about 200 members and about 60 Family Finders with several currently being processed. > : > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
No problem at all. It's always interesting to discuss these kinds of things here. We probably need a historian of colonial times who can point to the appropriate colonial (or before-1776 English) laws, but then again, "laws were made to be broken" (as it is said), and good money carries significant clout. Thanks. It's an interesting question. Liz J On 4 July 2014 22:22, Mary Lindley <maryrlindley@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Sorry, Liz J. My response below was intended for the whole group. I > didn't > notice it was going to just to you. I'm pretty new to this list - and, > I > guess, still figuring out how it works! > > Mary L. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Lindley > Sent: Jul 4, 2014 7:12 PM > To: E Johnson > Subject: Re: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land > I know in Sussex County, Delaware children had guardians at least > until > they were 18. If the biological father was dead, the Orphans' Court > would > appoint a guardian or if the child was at least 14 years old, they > could > pick their own guardian. The guardian could buy and sell land that the > child owned, but the child couldn't do it him or herself. What I am > not > sure of is the legal standing of 18-21 year olds. My sister-in-law > who is > an attorney and has done genealogy for 40 years, is sure that the age > is > 21. However, she does not do research in Delaware, and it is > certainly > true that it may vary from state to state. > > The distinction between owning land and buying and selling land is > important. There is no question that children under 18 could own land. > > Mary L > > -----Original Message----- > From: E Johnson > Sent: Jul 4, 2014 6:55 PM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Cc: Mary Lindley > Subject: Re: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land > > I thought it was age 21 (for males) in the English colonies. In the > Dutch > system, age of adulthood (M-F) was considered to be 25. > But I think it would be important to differentiate between persons who > purchased land or inherited land under "supervision" (if we can call it > that) of a parent or guardian (which included a woman's husband), and > those > who purchased land entirely on their own. > There were probably numerous exceptions. If someone came from an > established > family that had more-than-adequate wealth and several responsible older > family members about, then the age rules may have been more easily > overlooked, since it could be assumed that if a problem arose, someone > in > the family would cover for it, rather than risking embarrasment. A purse > full of gold and silver coins held by someone who is responsibly working > could work wonders, as a bag of real money still can today. > An exception might also have been made (I can imagine) if a big, strong, > steady guy age 17 or 18 had the full price in hard money in hand and the > initiative, his age might not have mattered. Money talks although it > also > seems to create a lot of deaf ears. > The date of recording, versus the date of the initial transaction may > also > be significant. Did Mom & Dad supply the offspring the hard-currency > down > payment and reassure the grantor, then say OK kids, make it work if you > want > to keep it? That kind of thing might not be so easy to determine. > Liz J > > On 4 July 2014 21:26, Doris Christian <[1]dmkchristian@austin.rr.com> > wrote: > > I think the age was probably 16. I had a ancestor who was an 'idiot' > whose father had purchases land in her name when she was 16, (about > 1780). > The land was held in trust by her older brother, but the deed was in > her > name. It was in Tenn. > Another case a young bride received land from her father when she > married > at age 17. The land was in her name, state of GA. It may have varied > from state to state. > Doris Christian > > On Jul 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Mary Lindley wrote: > > Hi Bob - Unfortunately I can't be definitive. I work on the > assumption > that it is 21. For example, I have a will with several people who > inherited > land. One person bought it from the others and everyone signed as > receiving > their share from him within about 6 months except one guy who signed > three > years later. I think he had to wait until he turned 21 - he could > inherit it > under age 21, but he couldn't sell it. > > > > I would also love to know for sure. I work a lot with Sussex County > Orphans' Court records but the land acquisition questions there deal > with > inheritance issues rather than purchase. > > > > Anyone else? > > > > Mary Lindley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: [2]wolfesden@verizon.net > >> Sent: Jul 4, 2014 12:21 PM > >> To: [3]lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land > >> > >> > >> In the 1700's in Sussex County, does anyone know if the minimum age > to > >> purchase land in your own name was 18 or 21 years old? > >> I would appreciate any help. > >> Thanks, > >> Bob Wolfe > >> *************************************** > >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > >> [4]http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [5]LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > [6]http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [7]LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************** > Visit: [8]http://www.dmkheritage.com > To check on the latest County Histories and Parish Records on CDs > Indexed and 100% SEARCHABLE > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > [9]http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [10]LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. mailto:dmkchristian@austin.rr.com > 2. mailto:wolfesden@verizon.net > 3. mailto:lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > 4. http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > 5. mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > 6. http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > 7. mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > 8. http://www.dmkheritage.com/ > 9. http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > 10. mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I thought it was age 21 (for males) in the English colonies. In the Dutch system, age of adulthood (M-F) was considered to be 25. But I think it would be important to differentiate between persons who purchased land or inherited land under "supervision" (if we can call it that) of a parent or guardian (which included a woman's husband), and those who purchased land entirely on their own. There were probably numerous exceptions. If someone came from an established family that had more-than-adequate wealth and several responsible older family members about, then the age rules may have been more easily overlooked, since it could be assumed that if a problem arose, someone in the family would cover for it, rather than risking embarrasment. A purse full of gold and silver coins held by someone who is responsibly working could work wonders, as a bag of real money still can today. An exception might also have been made (I can imagine) if a big, strong, steady guy age 17 or 18 had the full price in hard money in hand and the initiative, his age might not have mattered. Money talks although it also seems to create a lot of deaf ears. The date of recording, versus the date of the initial transaction may also be significant. Did Mom & Dad supply the offspring the hard-currency down payment and reassure the grantor, then say OK kids, make it work if you want to keep it? That kind of thing might not be so easy to determine. Liz J On 4 July 2014 21:26, Doris Christian <dmkchristian@austin.rr.com> wrote: > I think the age was probably 16. I had a ancestor who was an 'idiot' > whose father had purchases land in her name when she was 16, (about 1780). > The land was held in trust by her older brother, but the deed was in her > name. It was in Tenn. > > Another case a young bride received land from her father when she married > at age 17. The land was in her name, state of GA. It may have varied from > state to state. > > Doris Christian > > > > > On Jul 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Mary Lindley wrote: > > > Hi Bob - Unfortunately I can't be definitive. I work on the assumption > that it is 21. For example, I have a will with several people who > inherited land. One person bought it from the others and everyone signed as > receiving their share from him within about 6 months except one guy who > signed three years later. I think he had to wait until he turned 21 - he > could inherit it under age 21, but he couldn't sell it. > > > > I would also love to know for sure. I work a lot with Sussex County > Orphans' Court records but the land acquisition questions there deal with > inheritance issues rather than purchase. > > > > Anyone else? > > > > Mary Lindley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: wolfesden@verizon.net > >> Sent: Jul 4, 2014 12:21 PM > >> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land > >> > >> > >> In the 1700's in Sussex County, does anyone know if the minimum age to > >> purchase land in your own name was 18 or 21 years old? > >> I would appreciate any help. > >> Thanks, > >> Bob Wolfe > >> *************************************** > >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************** > Visit: http://www.dmkheritage.com > To check on the latest County Histories and Parish Records on CDs > Indexed and 100% SEARCHABLE > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I think the age was probably 16. I had a ancestor who was an 'idiot' whose father had purchases land in her name when she was 16, (about 1780). The land was held in trust by her older brother, but the deed was in her name. It was in Tenn. Another case a young bride received land from her father when she married at age 17. The land was in her name, state of GA. It may have varied from state to state. Doris Christian On Jul 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Mary Lindley wrote: > Hi Bob - Unfortunately I can't be definitive. I work on the assumption that it is 21. For example, I have a will with several people who inherited land. One person bought it from the others and everyone signed as receiving their share from him within about 6 months except one guy who signed three years later. I think he had to wait until he turned 21 - he could inherit it under age 21, but he couldn't sell it. > > I would also love to know for sure. I work a lot with Sussex County Orphans' Court records but the land acquisition questions there deal with inheritance issues rather than purchase. > > Anyone else? > > Mary Lindley > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: wolfesden@verizon.net >> Sent: Jul 4, 2014 12:21 PM >> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land >> >> >> In the 1700's in Sussex County, does anyone know if the minimum age to >> purchase land in your own name was 18 or 21 years old? >> I would appreciate any help. >> Thanks, >> Bob Wolfe >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************** Visit: http://www.dmkheritage.com To check on the latest County Histories and Parish Records on CDs Indexed and 100% SEARCHABLE
Sorry, Liz J. My response below was intended for the whole group. I didn't notice it was going to just to you. I'm pretty new to this list - and, I guess, still figuring out how it works! Mary L. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Lindley Sent: Jul 4, 2014 7:12 PM To: E Johnson Subject: Re: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land I know in Sussex County, Delaware children had guardians at least until they were 18. If the biological father was dead, the Orphans' Court would appoint a guardian or if the child was at least 14 years old, they could pick their own guardian. The guardian could buy and sell land that the child owned, but the child couldn't do it him or herself. What I am not sure of is the legal standing of 18-21 year olds. My sister-in-law who is an attorney and has done genealogy for 40 years, is sure that the age is 21. However, she does not do research in Delaware, and it is certainly true that it may vary from state to state. The distinction between owning land and buying and selling land is important. There is no question that children under 18 could own land. Mary L -----Original Message----- From: E Johnson Sent: Jul 4, 2014 6:55 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: Mary Lindley Subject: Re: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land I thought it was age 21 (for males) in the English colonies. In the Dutch system, age of adulthood (M-F) was considered to be 25. But I think it would be important to differentiate between persons who purchased land or inherited land under "supervision" (if we can call it that) of a parent or guardian (which included a woman's husband), and those who purchased land entirely on their own. There were probably numerous exceptions. If someone came from an established family that had more-than-adequate wealth and several responsible older family members about, then the age rules may have been more easily overlooked, since it could be assumed that if a problem arose, someone in the family would cover for it, rather than risking embarrasment. A purse full of gold and silver coins held by someone who is responsibly working could work wonders, as a bag of real money still can today. An exception might also have been made (I can imagine) if a big, strong, steady guy age 17 or 18 had the full price in hard money in hand and the initiative, his age might not have mattered. Money talks although it also seems to create a lot of deaf ears. The date of recording, versus the date of the initial transaction may also be significant. Did Mom & Dad supply the offspring the hard-currency down payment and reassure the grantor, then say OK kids, make it work if you want to keep it? That kind of thing might not be so easy to determine. Liz J On 4 July 2014 21:26, Doris Christian <[1]dmkchristian@austin.rr.com> wrote: I think the age was probably 16. I had a ancestor who was an 'idiot' whose father had purchases land in her name when she was 16, (about 1780). The land was held in trust by her older brother, but the deed was in her name. It was in Tenn. Another case a young bride received land from her father when she married at age 17. The land was in her name, state of GA. It may have varied from state to state. Doris Christian On Jul 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Mary Lindley wrote: > Hi Bob - Unfortunately I can't be definitive. I work on the assumption that it is 21. For example, I have a will with several people who inherited land. One person bought it from the others and everyone signed as receiving their share from him within about 6 months except one guy who signed three years later. I think he had to wait until he turned 21 - he could inherit it under age 21, but he couldn't sell it. > > I would also love to know for sure. I work a lot with Sussex County Orphans' Court records but the land acquisition questions there deal with inheritance issues rather than purchase. > > Anyone else? > > Mary Lindley > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: [2]wolfesden@verizon.net >> Sent: Jul 4, 2014 12:21 PM >> To: [3]lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land >> >> >> In the 1700's in Sussex County, does anyone know if the minimum age to >> purchase land in your own name was 18 or 21 years old? >> I would appreciate any help. >> Thanks, >> Bob Wolfe >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> [4]http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > [6]http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************** Visit: [8]http://www.dmkheritage.com To check on the latest County Histories and Parish Records on CDs Indexed and 100% SEARCHABLE *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: [9]http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:dmkchristian@austin.rr.com 2. mailto:wolfesden@verizon.net 3. mailto:lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com 4. http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm 5. mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com 6. http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm 7. mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com 8. http://www.dmkheritage.com/ 9. http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm 10. mailto:LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com
Kathleen, how can this Lower Delmarva DNA group be reached? -Stuart From: Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> : The Lower Delmarva DNA group allows males and females to test all 3 tests. We will accept transfers from AncestryDNA for Y mutations as well as the autosomal test which they call Family Finder. We currently have about 200 members and about 60 Family Finders with several currently being processed. :
Hi Bob - Unfortunately I can't be definitive. I work on the assumption that it is 21. For example, I have a will with several people who inherited land. One person bought it from the others and everyone signed as receiving their share from him within about 6 months except one guy who signed three years later. I think he had to wait until he turned 21 - he could inherit it under age 21, but he couldn't sell it. I would also love to know for sure. I work a lot with Sussex County Orphans' Court records but the land acquisition questions there deal with inheritance issues rather than purchase. Anyone else? Mary Lindley -----Original Message----- >From: wolfesden@verizon.net >Sent: Jul 4, 2014 12:21 PM >To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: [LDR] Age to Purchase Land > > > In the 1700's in Sussex County, does anyone know if the minimum age to > purchase land in your own name was 18 or 21 years old? > I would appreciate any help. > Thanks, > Bob Wolfe >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In the 1700's in Sussex County, does anyone know if the minimum age to purchase land in your own name was 18 or 21 years old? I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Bob Wolfe
Hi Vera Well if your brother gave you the Y test it must be at Family Tree DNA..so you just need to have him complete it. That is the male test. If it is at another company we should discuss that..you COULD figure it out at 23andme as they also "do" a Y test.. AncestryDNA does not. I can add you to the Lower Delmarva Group or you can get into the Hurst group. Did he pay for it? If NOT then you can get it cheaper through a surname group..Lower Delmarva or the Hurst one.. or both does not matter Kathleen Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Vera Hurst <vjh2938@gmail.com> wrote: > Kathleen, > Could you email me privately about the Lower Delmarva DNA testing....my brother gave me a surname DNA test for xmas...meaning HE will now agree to have the test for our Hurst surname....which I think will help resolve some Hurst issues at least for us because we cannot figure out 'which' Hurst line we are from...we just don't connect with the 3 brothers in VA ...:) > > Vjl_47@yahoo.com > Thanks, > Vera Hurst > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:36 PM > To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDR] AncestryDNA terminating Y testing > > Further note from me: after spending the afternoon "rescuing " DNA markers from extinction, I found that of the 16 that I contacted, 6 or 8 e-mails went to the same person ultimately. This person had paid for 8 or 10 of the Sturgis matches. She may have thought I was selling something, which I may giggle about later. Possibly no Sturgis tests needed rescuing. > > Let me just remind anyone with Y tests from AncestryDNA that any surname groups at Family Tree DNA CAN, if they choose to, transfer these markers into their project for $19. However to facilitate matches within the FTDNA system more DNA needs to be tested. The total for that is $58. > > The alternative is to make a free profile at Y search. www.Ysearch.org . OR just get your results ( which are on paper) and keep them in a safe place. > > I have personally tested at all 3 major companies. Family Tree DNA is now the only place that is Y testing. It is not necessarily my choice of testing places but the only place that will now handle Y testing. > > Autosomal or cousin tests are what most people want. 23andme does test autosomal and tells you your mitoDNA and Y haplogroup for the same price. FTDNA charges more but is better for male line testing.(Y) > > The Lower Delmarva DNA group allows males and females to test all 3 tests. We will accept transfers from AncestryDNA for Y mutations as well as the autosomal test which they call Family Finder. We currently have about 200 members and about 60 Family Finders with several currently being processed. > > Just trying to be informational about this topic which is important to many of us. > > I could not ever have gotten so far with my lines without DNA > > Kathleen > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Kathleen, Could you email me privately about the Lower Delmarva DNA testing....my brother gave me a surname DNA test for xmas...meaning HE will now agree to have the test for our Hurst surname....which I think will help resolve some Hurst issues at least for us because we cannot figure out 'which' Hurst line we are from...we just don't connect with the 3 brothers in VA ...:) Vjl_47@yahoo.com Thanks, Vera Hurst -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:36 PM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] AncestryDNA terminating Y testing Further note from me: after spending the afternoon "rescuing " DNA markers from extinction, I found that of the 16 that I contacted, 6 or 8 e-mails went to the same person ultimately. This person had paid for 8 or 10 of the Sturgis matches. She may have thought I was selling something, which I may giggle about later. Possibly no Sturgis tests needed rescuing. Let me just remind anyone with Y tests from AncestryDNA that any surname groups at Family Tree DNA CAN, if they choose to, transfer these markers into their project for $19. However to facilitate matches within the FTDNA system more DNA needs to be tested. The total for that is $58. The alternative is to make a free profile at Y search. www.Ysearch.org . OR just get your results ( which are on paper) and keep them in a safe place. I have personally tested at all 3 major companies. Family Tree DNA is now the only place that is Y testing. It is not necessarily my choice of testing places but the only place that will now handle Y testing. Autosomal or cousin tests are what most people want. 23andme does test autosomal and tells you your mitoDNA and Y haplogroup for the same price. FTDNA charges more but is better for male line testing.(Y) The Lower Delmarva DNA group allows males and females to test all 3 tests. We will accept transfers from AncestryDNA for Y mutations as well as the autosomal test which they call Family Finder. We currently have about 200 members and about 60 Family Finders with several currently being processed. Just trying to be informational about this topic which is important to many of us. I could not ever have gotten so far with my lines without DNA Kathleen Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Further note from me: after spending the afternoon "rescuing " DNA markers from extinction, I found that of the 16 that I contacted, 6 or 8 e-mails went to the same person ultimately. This person had paid for 8 or 10 of the Sturgis matches. She may have thought I was selling something, which I may giggle about later. Possibly no Sturgis tests needed rescuing. Let me just remind anyone with Y tests from AncestryDNA that any surname groups at Family Tree DNA CAN, if they choose to, transfer these markers into their project for $19. However to facilitate matches within the FTDNA system more DNA needs to be tested. The total for that is $58. The alternative is to make a free profile at Y search. www.Ysearch.org . OR just get your results ( which are on paper) and keep them in a safe place. I have personally tested at all 3 major companies. Family Tree DNA is now the only place that is Y testing. It is not necessarily my choice of testing places but the only place that will now handle Y testing. Autosomal or cousin tests are what most people want. 23andme does test autosomal and tells you your mitoDNA and Y haplogroup for the same price. FTDNA charges more but is better for male line testing.(Y) The Lower Delmarva DNA group allows males and females to test all 3 tests. We will accept transfers from AncestryDNA for Y mutations as well as the autosomal test which they call Family Finder. We currently have about 200 members and about 60 Family Finders with several currently being processed. Just trying to be informational about this topic which is important to many of us. I could not ever have gotten so far with my lines without DNA Kathleen Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family
Some of you know that myself and now 2 others administer the Lower Delmarva DNA surname group at Family Tree DNA.A DNA blogging colleague had a very good idea today. AncestryDNA announced a month or so ago that September 5 they will no longer keep the results of their prior Y testing ( and mtDNA testing) as they will concentrate on their autosomal tests. Some of us are descendants of minority surnames, for example I am a Faunt (Fant) and a Carrow and Administer the One-Name Study for both. I though about some of my other ancestor names , including Fant and decided to also take some action. I just sent this message to 13 Sturgis testers: "Ancestry is planning to discontinue the Y DNA data base on September 5th. We have a Lower Delmarva surname project at Family Tree DNA. WeâÂÂd love to invite you to join us. You can transfer your DNA results or retest. Please contact me and IâÂÂll be glad to explain your options. I am a Sturgis descendant. Kathleen Carrow Ingram kathlingram45@gmail.com" I really do not want to chat about it on here but felt I owed it to my ancestors to make sure everyone that I can contact knows about it. I already heard from a person who may start a Sturgis group.. So if you have tested Y DNA at AncestryDNA think about either transferring to a suitable surname group at FamilyTreeDNA.com for $19 OR transfer those markers to Y Search.. www.Ysearch.org Kathy Ingram Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family
Nora, I am interested in your Butler query, as my daughter's paternal family are Butlers from the exact place--Harmony. Her ancestor is William Edwin Butler c1828-1844, then his son Peter Wesley Butler 1842-1911. What are the dates of the Thomas Henry and Levin you mentioned? Becky On Monday, June 30, 2014 4:14 PM, "lenorah123@comcast.net" <lenorah123@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >HI ALL, >HAVE WE CRASHED AGAIN? IS ANYONE WORKING ON THE BUTLERS. THEY WERE IN WORCESTER COUNTY IN THE EARLY 1800’S AND PART OF THEM INCLUDING LEVIN BUTLER MOVED OVER AROUND HARMONY AND AMERICAN CORNERS IN THE EASTERN SHORE ON MARYLAND.? THOMAS HENRY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AMERICAN INDIAN BUT THE CENSUS DOESN’T SHOW IT. THIS IS MY EXHUSBANDS FAMILY AND I’MM LOOKING FOR MY DAUGHTERS. >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >