For men who are interested in Y chromosome-focused tests, and who trace their lineage back to the British Isles, another SNP-based testing option is the Chromo2 test from Britain's DNA. Yes, you can send a vial of spit in the airmail over the Atlantic Ocean. My direct male ancestor came from the UK and the test worked well for me. The detail in the results for me in the Chromo2 SNP test is equal to or better than the ftdna 67 STR marker test. It also compares favorably on price. The basic model Chromo2 test comes in at $199, compared to $268 for 67 marker at ftdna. The 111 STR ($359) and "Big Y" ($695!) at ftdna are even more money. I have an SNP that's in a few Eastern Shore-originating surnames, but which has only been positively tested in maybe a dozen people (although a lot more are presumed to have it). The Chromo2 test found this weird SNP, and identified previously unknown upstream SNPs that together might eventually provide credible evidence for where in UK my family came from. Anyway, I'm not one to do product endorsements, but having done some level of testing at 23andme, ftdna, and Britain's DNA, if I had to pick one for male testing for men originally from the British Isles, it's Britain's DNA. And happily, it's not as expensive as ftdna either. The one drawback at Britain's DNA is that they don't have the fancy tools that ftdna and 23andme have to allow you to find other people you are related to. My impression is that they want to develop them but aren't big enough yet. Anyway, you can take your Chromo2 result in raw format and link up with other people via the various internet lists and sites organized around different haplogroups, surnames, etc. It just takes a little more work and interpretation on your own. EH On 07/08/2014 08:04 AM, Kathleen Ingram wrote: > Someone reminded me privately that when I said this:" If you test at > 23andme which does test YDNA and mito DNA only theautosomal results > will be transferable to FTDNA. It costs $69 to transfer." that I > SHOULD have qualified that to say that NEWER tests from 23andme, on > the V4 chip are not currently transferrable to Family Tree DNA NOR are > OLDER ones from the V2 chip.. > > So only V3 Chip is tranferrable which does exclude a lot of people, > including my sister and one of my sons. > > This means that anyone testing now at 23andme cannot transfer to FTDNA > but they CAN transfer to Gedmatch.com > > Vera, that might mean that FTDNA is your best option.. > > Thanks Gregg! > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Someone reminded me privately that when I said this:" If you test at 23andme which does test YDNA and mito DNA only theautosomal results will be transferable to FTDNA. It costs $69 to transfer." that I SHOULD have qualified that to say that NEWER tests from 23andme, on the V4 chip are not currently transferrable to Family Tree DNA NOR are OLDER ones from the V2 chip.. So only V3 Chip is tranferrable which does exclude a lot of people, including my sister and one of my sons. This means that anyone testing now at 23andme cannot transfer to FTDNA but they CAN transfer to Gedmatch.com Vera, that might mean that FTDNA is your best option.. Thanks Gregg! Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

685,441 records involves the whole gamut of what they do, even individual single SNPS.. Some say that 12 , 25, 37 and 67 marker tests are counted separately as are HVR1& HVR2 .. and some obsolete tests even. I am not sure and Family Tree DNA is very discreet about what that means exactly.. 23andme ONLY tests Relative Finder which is their autosomal test and of March 23 2014 these are the published statistics Over 650,000 23andme.. this was published in a legal document sent to the FDA. 23andme had estimated that they would be 1 million this year but the FDA issue kept them to 650,000 which is now estimated at 700,000. Over 400,000 is what AncestryDNA reported in a Blog April 30, 2014 About 85,000 was an estimate from a member of ISOGG for Family Finder March 2014. This(Over 650,000,About 85,000,Over 400,000) is apples to apples for autosomal test and not the apples to oranges that the 685,441 indicates. We need to remember that Family Tree DNA's lab also does Geno2 and the first Genographic project and those are more than likely included in some fashion. It goes without saying that they( FTDNA) have been testing since 2000 when testing was in it's infancy with 7 or 8 markers beings tested and surely have done a lot of DNA They keep their cards close to the chest.. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

Just a FYI Someone who is up on such things posted this yesterday about the database size of autosomal tests at the Big 3..Autosomal are the every chromosome/cousin test for males and females. 23andMe = 700 thousand Ancestry = 600 thousand FTDNA = 80 thousand? the question mark was from the poster, ISOGG had 75-90 I think database size is crucial otherwise you do not get a good enough population to measure and test against . The autosomal tests show ethnicity also. I do not know for sure how many kits Gedmatch.com has there now. I do know that each person can have UP TO 1500 matches. In 2 years Neither my son nor I have anywhere near that at Family Finder( FTDNA)..maybe 500.. I have about 1300 cousin matches at 23andme and actually deleted maybe 250( Who were small in size and unresponsive) a year or so ago. I have 11,000 matches at AncestryDNA..That is WAY to many to be at all accurate although I know my 2-4th cousin matches are accurate as I can measure them at Gedmatch.com. AncestryDNA will change to the same cM ( centimorgan) measurement soon or so they indicate. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

I am sure that White Brown and Thomas White Brown are different individuals BUT the 20 or so former individuals who qualified in the DAR under White Brown and all 3 of the females that we mentioned did not think so. Apparently neither did the DAR until recently. So White Brown who is Admin for his father James Brown is in Sussex County DE between 1794 and 1798 as he is Admin is right of Thomas White Brown who is deceased before 1798 as his wife is remarried in Nov. 1798. I would really wonder who is the man who is in Ohio in 1806 and is he even old enough to have been a Patriot.He must be a son or even grandson? Unless he is a cousin. The man who is a surveyor in DE if he was paid by the Court for surveys would definitely qualify for DAR status for that Civil Service. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

The following is from the 1st page at FamilyTreeDNA: "We have 685,431 records -- the largest ancestry DNA database in the world! " Kathleen Ingram wrote: > Just a FYI > Someone who is up on such things posted this yesterday about the > database size of autosomal tests at the Big 3..Autosomal are the every > chromosome/cousin test for males and females. > > 23andMe = 700 thousand > Ancestry = 600 thousand > FTDNA = 80 thousand? the question mark was from the poster, ISOGG had 75-90 > > I think database size is crucial otherwise you do not get a good > enough population to measure and test against . The autosomal tests > show ethnicity also. > > I do not know for sure how many kits Gedmatch.com has there now. I do > know that each person can have UP TO 1500 matches. In 2 years Neither > my son nor I have anywhere near that at Family Finder( FTDNA)..maybe > 500.. I have about 1300 cousin matches at 23andme and actually deleted > maybe 250( Who were small in size and unresponsive) > a year or so ago. > > I have 11,000 matches at AncestryDNA..That is WAY to many to be at all > accurate although I know my 2-4th cousin matches are accurate as I can > measure them at Gedmatch.com. AncestryDNA will change to the same cM ( > centimorgan) measurement soon or so they indicate. > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I made an error. Thomas White Brown (d. bef 1798, SX) married Lucretia Cannon. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Lisa Just <lisajust820@gmail.com> wrote: > I believe that White Brown (1749 - 1842) and Thomas White Brown are > two separate individuals, but they are brothers. They are the sons of > James Brown Sr who left a will in Sussex, DE (w.d. 22 Sep 1787, w.p. > 27 Nov 1794) and Priscilla White. > > Another "White Brown" moved to OH also. White Brown Jr ( - 1831) was > the son of Curtis Brown and Rachel Brown (daughter of James Brown and > Priscilla White). So, the elder "White Brown" was the uncle of the > younger "White Brown." Thomas White Brown married Lucretia Clarkson. > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Mary Lindley <maryrlindley@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > I agree with Kathleen. I would pursue the Thomas White Brown who > married Lucretia Cannon. The Sussex County Orphans' Court action in 1776 > which appoints "White Brown" as guardian to Lucresy Cannon, connects the > two names in a different way. But since Lucresy was under 14 at the time, > the 1790 marriage date could easily be hers (possibly to her guardian's son > rather than her guardian?). There is another SCOC action in Sept of that > year involving Lucresy and her siblings and a Charles Brown who was > guardian to some of the minors. It specifically describes Charles Brown as > "formerly of Maryland, now of Sussex County". > > > > I realize there are lots of people in Sussex County at that time who > were formerly of Maryland (my own ancestors included), and lots of people > named Brown,but people did go back and forth between the two areas. I > think the connection is worth exploring - and it would put at least one of > the people named White Brown in Sussex Co at the time of the Revolution. I > just don't know if it's the right one. > > > > Mary Lindley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> > >>Sent: Jul 7, 2014 6:02 AM > >>To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: [LDR] LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO > >> > >> Two marriages exist.. this one Anne Withgott 6 Oct 1786 - Dorchester > >>County and this one > >> Sarah Thomas 15 Dec 1792 - Dorchester County > >>And then there is THIS man Thomas White Brown who marries Lucretia > >>Cannon 1790 in Caroline County.. > >> > >>The current DAR Reference has him married to ALL 3 women which is > >>clearly not possible. so no one can go forward on him.. lots of bad > >>applications and descendants.and he is NOT in Sussex County DE > >> > >>The only way to reconcile this is to figure out for sure which woman > >>was your ancestor and then try to get service > >> > >>Thomas White Brown looks like the likeliest one.. > >> > >>Thomas Williams and wife Lucretia, late Lucretia Brown > >>Thomas White Brown C. - - 1798 > >> > >>Primary Name:James Brown, Sr > >>Will Made Date:22 Sep 1787 > >>Heirs:wife Priscilla Brown; sons James, Thomas and White Brown; daus. > >>[Rebecca] Brown, Elizabeth Dawson, Priscilla Smith, Mary Twyford and > >>Sarah Riggin; grandson James Brown; granddau. Henrietta Brown > >>Executor Name:wife Priscilla Brown and son Thomas Brown > >>Witness Names:Thomas White, Charles Twyford, Humphries Brown > >>Will Probate Date:27 Nov 1794 > >> > >>Primary Name:James Brown > >>Administrator Name:White Brown, D. B. N., C. T. A., in right of Thomas > W. Brown > >>Will Probate Date:Nov 1798 > >> > >> > >> So this White Brown is deceased in 1798 when Lucretia Cannon is > >>married to Thomas Williams.. > >> > >>and not the man listed in the DAR from Dorchester MD who goes to Ohio > >>and married to Withgott and Thomas.. lots of issues..possibly they > >>were all connected but not the same.. > >> > >>Hope this helps > >> > >> > >>Kathleen Carrow Ingram > >>Guild # 6449 > >> > >>myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > >>myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > >>trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > >>*************************************** > >>QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > >>Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > >>http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I believe that White Brown (1749 - 1842) and Thomas White Brown are two separate individuals, but they are brothers. They are the sons of James Brown Sr who left a will in Sussex, DE (w.d. 22 Sep 1787, w.p. 27 Nov 1794) and Priscilla White. Another "White Brown" moved to OH also. White Brown Jr ( - 1831) was the son of Curtis Brown and Rachel Brown (daughter of James Brown and Priscilla White). So, the elder "White Brown" was the uncle of the younger "White Brown." Thomas White Brown married Lucretia Clarkson. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Mary Lindley <maryrlindley@earthlink.net> wrote: > I agree with Kathleen. I would pursue the Thomas White Brown who married Lucretia Cannon. The Sussex County Orphans' Court action in 1776 which appoints "White Brown" as guardian to Lucresy Cannon, connects the two names in a different way. But since Lucresy was under 14 at the time, the 1790 marriage date could easily be hers (possibly to her guardian's son rather than her guardian?). There is another SCOC action in Sept of that year involving Lucresy and her siblings and a Charles Brown who was guardian to some of the minors. It specifically describes Charles Brown as "formerly of Maryland, now of Sussex County". > > I realize there are lots of people in Sussex County at that time who were formerly of Maryland (my own ancestors included), and lots of people named Brown,but people did go back and forth between the two areas. I think the connection is worth exploring - and it would put at least one of the people named White Brown in Sussex Co at the time of the Revolution. I just don't know if it's the right one. > > Mary Lindley > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> >>Sent: Jul 7, 2014 6:02 AM >>To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [LDR] LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO >> >> Two marriages exist.. this one Anne Withgott 6 Oct 1786 - Dorchester >>County and this one >> Sarah Thomas 15 Dec 1792 - Dorchester County >>And then there is THIS man Thomas White Brown who marries Lucretia >>Cannon 1790 in Caroline County.. >> >>The current DAR Reference has him married to ALL 3 women which is >>clearly not possible. so no one can go forward on him.. lots of bad >>applications and descendants.and he is NOT in Sussex County DE >> >>The only way to reconcile this is to figure out for sure which woman >>was your ancestor and then try to get service >> >>Thomas White Brown looks like the likeliest one.. >> >>Thomas Williams and wife Lucretia, late Lucretia Brown >>Thomas White Brown C. - - 1798 >> >>Primary Name:James Brown, Sr >>Will Made Date:22 Sep 1787 >>Heirs:wife Priscilla Brown; sons James, Thomas and White Brown; daus. >>[Rebecca] Brown, Elizabeth Dawson, Priscilla Smith, Mary Twyford and >>Sarah Riggin; grandson James Brown; granddau. Henrietta Brown >>Executor Name:wife Priscilla Brown and son Thomas Brown >>Witness Names:Thomas White, Charles Twyford, Humphries Brown >>Will Probate Date:27 Nov 1794 >> >>Primary Name:James Brown >>Administrator Name:White Brown, D. B. N., C. T. A., in right of Thomas W. Brown >>Will Probate Date:Nov 1798 >> >> >> So this White Brown is deceased in 1798 when Lucretia Cannon is >>married to Thomas Williams.. >> >>and not the man listed in the DAR from Dorchester MD who goes to Ohio >>and married to Withgott and Thomas.. lots of issues..possibly they >>were all connected but not the same.. >> >>Hope this helps >> >> >>Kathleen Carrow Ingram >>Guild # 6449 >> >>myainfolk.blogspot.com/ >>myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ >>trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family >>*************************************** >>QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >>Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >>http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You don't know I am not sure...but my info does say that White Brown " bought 500 acres of the Massey and McArthur Survey" I did do a quick google search and it does appear that at least the area around Chillicothe was land which was designated for VA & KY veterans...I think...more research is needed. I would LOVE to find out that my Levi Hurst bought land because he was a Rev War vet....I can find NO record of him in the war...but I am not connected to Ancestry.com vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lenorah123@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:15 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Md HI VERA, WASN'T ROSS COUNTY ONE OF THE COOUNTIES GIVEN BY THE GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH PICKAWAY CO. AND A FEW WERE GIVEN TO VETS FROM DELAWARE AND MARYLAND WHERE THERE WAS NO LAND LEFT TO GIVE. A LOT OF DELAWAREANS WENT TO OHIO IN THE EARLY 1800'S AFTER THE REV WAR AND THE WAR OF 1812 BECAUSE OF LAND GRANTS. GOD BLESS, NORAH -----Original Message----- From: Vera Hurst Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:54 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Md When did he arrive in Ross Co, OH? My Hurst's from Dorchester, MD arrived 1800/1801 to Ross Co, OH but have no connection that I know of to your White Brown. Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Furick Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 11:13 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Md I am looking for information for this person, White Brown. He is said to have been a land surveyor in Sussex county Delaware, was a member of the Delaware Volunteer Militia during the Rev War, and then later moved to Ross County Ohio. I am seeking both: 1. documentation of Rev War service, and 2. any information that would place him in Sussex County DE in the timeframe of the Revolutionary War, 1770 to 1783. Thank you , Paula Furick pkfurick@msn.com *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vera ANYONE can test and match males or females at any company that does that test: AncestryDNA,FTDNA,23andme.. Family Tree DNA will allow transfers of 23andme as well as AncestryDNA test RESULTS. Results means it is only good for that particular test. If you test at 23andme which does test YDNA and mito DNA only the autosomal results will be transferable to FTDNA. It costs $69 to transfer. Anyone who tests at ANY of those 3 places can Transfer for FREE to GEDmatch.com where you can be matched against other that have done the same. I have done that also.. Your brother could test his Y 12 and Family Finder for $ 158 or 37 markers which is better of course for $ 248.. Or get the Y12 package for $158 and upgrade his markers when there is a sale.. and THEN later on put his autosomal at GEDmatch.com for free.. 23andme and AncestryDNA do not allow transfers at all Also know Vera, that your Hurst possible match are IN THE SYSTEM so you can be at ANY group and still see them.. You could choose NOT to tbe in a group and still see them.. they are not exclusive to the Hurst group.. The point of Hurst or Carrow or any other group is that the Group Admin can help with the matches.. The other point is that if you are NOT in any group it costs you about $20-30 more for the combined test AND Y 12 and basic mtDNA( for $59) is NOT an option Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

I found this: read all the way down to the end.... This came from Rootsweb but in true form for me I just noted that I have the printed article somewhere in my geneology notes...most likely came from a family paper....or southern OH journal...there is more to this article so if anyone is interested in the rest of it let me know and I'll post or email it... "About the year 1800, many families from the eastern shore of Maryland migrated to Ross County in south central Ohio. On April 30, 1800, Thomas Bowdle, Henry Bowdle, Thomas Withgott, James Sisk and their families and two Mills boys, Pritchard and Levin left Dorchester County, Maryland for Ross County, Ohio. Thomas Bowdle, Henry Bowdle and Mary Bowdle, wife of James Sisk, were Great grandchildren of Thomas Bowdle (Gentlemen) one of the first six vestry men appointed in 1695 to St. Peters parish in Easton, Md. The wife of Thomas Bowdle was Elizabeth Sisk, sister of James Sisk. The wife of Henry Bowdle was Elizabeth Orem. Neither Pritchard not Levin Mills was married at the time. Pritchard, in love with Mary Bowdle, daughter of Thomas Bowdle, accompanied them west and married her in Ross County, Ohio. The following year, in April 1801, Levi Hurst and Robert McCollister, with their families, and Levi's brother-in-law Samuel Badley, emigrated to Ross County, Ohio. Mr. Hurst was induced to go west by the emigration of his Methodist friends, the Bowdles, Withgotts and Sisks, the previous year. In 1801 White Brown and his oldest sons moved to Ross County, Ohio, and bought 500 acres of the Massey and McArthur Survey at $2.00 per acre. After 1802 White Brown lived in the old brick house which is still standing near the Maryland- Delaware line north of Brown's Chapel, now called Bethel, four miles east of Federalsburg. Undoubtedly, there were many contributing factors which led to these Migrations" Robert McCollister/McAllister was enumerated very close..maybe next door to Levi in the 1800 Dorchester County census. Have not checked for the others as far as proximity. Obviously, the date on White Brown is wrong or indicates that he came back from OH to end his days in MD? Which I believe is also incorrect since his death occurred in Ross, OH? Thought maybe I'd throw this info into the White Brown mix ..might help some to make things clear as mud :) Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 9:02 AM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Two marriages exist.. this one Anne Withgott 6 Oct 1786 - Dorchester County and this one Sarah Thomas 15 Dec 1792 - Dorchester County And then there is THIS man Thomas White Brown who marries Lucretia Cannon 1790 in Caroline County.. The current DAR Reference has him married to ALL 3 women which is clearly not possible. so no one can go forward on him.. lots of bad applications and descendants.and he is NOT in Sussex County DE The only way to reconcile this is to figure out for sure which woman was your ancestor and then try to get service Thomas White Brown looks like the likeliest one.. Thomas Williams and wife Lucretia, late Lucretia Brown Thomas White Brown C. - - 1798 Primary Name:James Brown, Sr Will Made Date:22 Sep 1787 Heirs:wife Priscilla Brown; sons James, Thomas and White Brown; daus. [Rebecca] Brown, Elizabeth Dawson, Priscilla Smith, Mary Twyford and Sarah Riggin; grandson James Brown; granddau. Henrietta Brown Executor Name:wife Priscilla Brown and son Thomas Brown Witness Names:Thomas White, Charles Twyford, Humphries Brown Will Probate Date:27 Nov 1794 Primary Name:James Brown Administrator Name:White Brown, D. B. N., C. T. A., in right of Thomas W. Brown Will Probate Date:Nov 1798 So this White Brown is deceased in 1798 when Lucretia Cannon is married to Thomas Williams.. and not the man listed in the DAR from Dorchester MD who goes to Ohio and married to Withgott and Thomas.. lots of issues..possibly they were all connected but not the same.. Hope this helps Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI VERA, WASN'T ROSS COUNTY ONE OF THE COOUNTIES GIVEN BY THE GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH PICKAWAY CO. AND A FEW WERE GIVEN TO VETS FROM DELAWARE AND MARYLAND WHERE THERE WAS NO LAND LEFT TO GIVE. A LOT OF DELAWAREANS WENT TO OHIO IN THE EARLY 1800'S AFTER THE REV WAR AND THE WAR OF 1812 BECAUSE OF LAND GRANTS. GOD BLESS, NORAH -----Original Message----- From: Vera Hurst Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:54 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Md When did he arrive in Ross Co, OH? My Hurst's from Dorchester, MD arrived 1800/1801 to Ross Co, OH but have no connection that I know of to your White Brown. Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Furick Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 11:13 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Md I am looking for information for this person, White Brown. He is said to have been a land surveyor in Sussex county Delaware, was a member of the Delaware Volunteer Militia during the Rev War, and then later moved to Ross County Ohio. I am seeking both: 1. documentation of Rev War service, and 2. any information that would place him in Sussex County DE in the timeframe of the Revolutionary War, 1770 to 1783. Thank you , Paula Furick pkfurick@msn.com *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Let me check but Withgotts ring a bell in my genealogy notes from Ross Co....he might have gone there with my HUrsts...a Thomas Withgott but let me check...so might have some info about White Brown... v -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 9:02 AM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Two marriages exist.. this one Anne Withgott 6 Oct 1786 - Dorchester County and this one Sarah Thomas 15 Dec 1792 - Dorchester County And then there is THIS man Thomas White Brown who marries Lucretia Cannon 1790 in Caroline County.. The current DAR Reference has him married to ALL 3 women which is clearly not possible. so no one can go forward on him.. lots of bad applications and descendants.and he is NOT in Sussex County DE The only way to reconcile this is to figure out for sure which woman was your ancestor and then try to get service Thomas White Brown looks like the likeliest one.. Thomas Williams and wife Lucretia, late Lucretia Brown Thomas White Brown C. - - 1798 Primary Name:James Brown, Sr Will Made Date:22 Sep 1787 Heirs:wife Priscilla Brown; sons James, Thomas and White Brown; daus. [Rebecca] Brown, Elizabeth Dawson, Priscilla Smith, Mary Twyford and Sarah Riggin; grandson James Brown; granddau. Henrietta Brown Executor Name:wife Priscilla Brown and son Thomas Brown Witness Names:Thomas White, Charles Twyford, Humphries Brown Will Probate Date:27 Nov 1794 Primary Name:James Brown Administrator Name:White Brown, D. B. N., C. T. A., in right of Thomas W. Brown Will Probate Date:Nov 1798 So this White Brown is deceased in 1798 when Lucretia Cannon is married to Thomas Williams.. and not the man listed in the DAR from Dorchester MD who goes to Ohio and married to Withgott and Thomas.. lots of issues..possibly they were all connected but not the same.. Hope this helps Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So, the brother should go for an autosomal test and YDNA? Eek...so confusing :) I just have not spent that much time thinking about it so am trying to gear up.....if he could do tests for the most bang for your buck but not break the bank which ones should I suggest? Can you take the tests from one place to another? Or I assume you could actually have yours then go view the ones at the other sites? Vera Hope this makes sense. -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:04 AM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Y DNA testing - Why no Ys I want to add to my post that I did not have enough coffee yet and lots of mistakes in it..this should have said " just like passing an object from hand to hand, if it breaks it no long exists". That refers to Y testing which does not relate to a maternal line at all anywhere at any time. It also refers to the fact that many of us from early Colonial US roots get surprises in our testing. Only a handful of my Carrows match each other. It was not a time where how one spelled the name was important and many boys were orphaned and brought up in a different household than their biological fathers. Also it is quite possible for "newbies" to genetic testing to learn what is happening.. I knew NOTHING in 2004 when my Faunt first cousin tested his Y.. It is sometimes a high learning curve BUT Family Tree DNA has tutorials such as webinars and a Forum.. 23andme also has very active Forums and LOTS of ways to display your DNA for match purposes BUT no real good tutorials. AncestryDNA has a BIG database ( More than 400,000 but no tutorials. If you plan to look at autosomal testing also you need to know that 23andme has more than 650,000 testers ( in March) and AncestryDNA has 400,000+ and Family Tree DNA has 93,000. A big difference. Adoptees and others are told, when possible, to "fish" in all 3 ponds which is what I have done. I thus have at least my own autosomal DNA ( mother and father's lines as that s what autosomal is) out to match with over 1 million testers to date. Here is a great book written by someone who was a "newbie" not so very long ago.. if you have a kindle it is only $3.03 Genetic Genealogy: The Basics and Beyond Emily D. Aulicino. Again I want to reiterate that 23andme is my testing company of choice but a beginner can work best through Family Tree DNA which is very good also. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok that helps...and agrees with what I've thought and that is to do it at FT DNA....will have him do it thru the Hurst group as I said. I want to see who we match with :) Thanks, vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 7:24 AM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Y DNA testing - Why no Ys? Vera If it is you one shot I would have him test his Y at Family Tree DNA as it is the ONLY primary company that is focusing on Y testing.. there are others but they are not mainstream.. The Y is male to male to male and will NEVER show anything of your mother's father.. It is sex linked and passes only from one male to another. Just like passing an object from hand to hand and breaks and it no longer exists.. Mito DNA is the same way female to female ONLY.. However your brother carries your mother's mito DNA. He cannot pass it on to his children BUT he has it as do you. Family Tree DNA has tests that incorporate both for a fee or test one at a time and your sample remains stored for later use. It will not disappear like AncestryDNA's apparently will do. 23andme for $99 tests autosomal as well as the Y DNA SNPS as Jack Fallin said, also give you your mitoDNA haplogroup.. Jack says the data bases is too small but the database is actually the LARGEST of any company at more than 650,000 testers ALL of whom , if male, had had their Y tested.. The problem is knowing what to do with the results, always. Many people who test at 23andme do not realize what their Y haplogroup means or where even to see it. The problem always is that the tester MUST know how to interpret the tested DNA. It is not magic and requires a lot of work comparing results as Jack had stated. Family Tree DNA since it has Surname Groups is a good place for people who do not have a lot of knowledge. The results can then be compared against others who match either the name or the haplogroup. The results is that you either WILL match others of your surname or you will NOT, in either case it will tell you something. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When did he arrive in Ross Co, OH? My Hurst's from Dorchester, MD arrived 1800/1801 to Ross Co, OH but have no connection that I know of to your White Brown. Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Furick Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 11:13 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Md I am looking for information for this person, White Brown. He is said to have been a land surveyor in Sussex county Delaware, was a member of the Delaware Volunteer Militia during the Rev War, and then later moved to Ross County Ohio. I am seeking both: 1. documentation of Rev War service, and 2. any information that would place him in Sussex County DE in the timeframe of the Revolutionary War, 1770 to 1783. Thank you , Paula Furick pkfurick@msn.com *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Kathleen. I would pursue the Thomas White Brown who married Lucretia Cannon. The Sussex County Orphans' Court action in 1776 which appoints "White Brown" as guardian to Lucresy Cannon, connects the two names in a different way. But since Lucresy was under 14 at the time, the 1790 marriage date could easily be hers (possibly to her guardian's son rather than her guardian?). There is another SCOC action in Sept of that year involving Lucresy and her siblings and a Charles Brown who was guardian to some of the minors. It specifically describes Charles Brown as "formerly of Maryland, now of Sussex County". I realize there are lots of people in Sussex County at that time who were formerly of Maryland (my own ancestors included), and lots of people named Brown,but people did go back and forth between the two areas. I think the connection is worth exploring - and it would put at least one of the people named White Brown in Sussex Co at the time of the Revolution. I just don't know if it's the right one. Mary Lindley -----Original Message----- >From: Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> >Sent: Jul 7, 2014 6:02 AM >To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [LDR] LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO > > Two marriages exist.. this one Anne Withgott 6 Oct 1786 - Dorchester >County and this one > Sarah Thomas 15 Dec 1792 - Dorchester County >And then there is THIS man Thomas White Brown who marries Lucretia >Cannon 1790 in Caroline County.. > >The current DAR Reference has him married to ALL 3 women which is >clearly not possible. so no one can go forward on him.. lots of bad >applications and descendants.and he is NOT in Sussex County DE > >The only way to reconcile this is to figure out for sure which woman >was your ancestor and then try to get service > >Thomas White Brown looks like the likeliest one.. > >Thomas Williams and wife Lucretia, late Lucretia Brown >Thomas White Brown C. - - 1798 > >Primary Name:James Brown, Sr >Will Made Date:22 Sep 1787 >Heirs:wife Priscilla Brown; sons James, Thomas and White Brown; daus. >[Rebecca] Brown, Elizabeth Dawson, Priscilla Smith, Mary Twyford and >Sarah Riggin; grandson James Brown; granddau. Henrietta Brown >Executor Name:wife Priscilla Brown and son Thomas Brown >Witness Names:Thomas White, Charles Twyford, Humphries Brown >Will Probate Date:27 Nov 1794 > >Primary Name:James Brown >Administrator Name:White Brown, D. B. N., C. T. A., in right of Thomas W. Brown >Will Probate Date:Nov 1798 > > > So this White Brown is deceased in 1798 when Lucretia Cannon is >married to Thomas Williams.. > >and not the man listed in the DAR from Dorchester MD who goes to Ohio >and married to Withgott and Thomas.. lots of issues..possibly they >were all connected but not the same.. > >Hope this helps > > >Kathleen Carrow Ingram >Guild # 6449 > >myainfolk.blogspot.com/ >myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ >trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family >*************************************** >QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two marriages exist.. this one Anne Withgott 6 Oct 1786 - Dorchester County and this one Sarah Thomas 15 Dec 1792 - Dorchester County And then there is THIS man Thomas White Brown who marries Lucretia Cannon 1790 in Caroline County.. The current DAR Reference has him married to ALL 3 women which is clearly not possible. so no one can go forward on him.. lots of bad applications and descendants.and he is NOT in Sussex County DE The only way to reconcile this is to figure out for sure which woman was your ancestor and then try to get service Thomas White Brown looks like the likeliest one.. Thomas Williams and wife Lucretia, late Lucretia Brown Thomas White Brown C. - - 1798 Primary Name:James Brown, Sr Will Made Date:22 Sep 1787 Heirs:wife Priscilla Brown; sons James, Thomas and White Brown; daus. [Rebecca] Brown, Elizabeth Dawson, Priscilla Smith, Mary Twyford and Sarah Riggin; grandson James Brown; granddau. Henrietta Brown Executor Name:wife Priscilla Brown and son Thomas Brown Witness Names:Thomas White, Charles Twyford, Humphries Brown Will Probate Date:27 Nov 1794 Primary Name:James Brown Administrator Name:White Brown, D. B. N., C. T. A., in right of Thomas W. Brown Will Probate Date:Nov 1798 So this White Brown is deceased in 1798 when Lucretia Cannon is married to Thomas Williams.. and not the man listed in the DAR from Dorchester MD who goes to Ohio and married to Withgott and Thomas.. lots of issues..possibly they were all connected but not the same.. Hope this helps Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

Since the DAR Says this: "Future Applicants Must Prove Correct Service The proof of service used to establish this person as a patriot is no longer valid. Subsequent evaluation of the proof of service may have determined that the proof is not acceptable under today’s standards (examples: tombstone, obituary, undocumented genealogy or county history, family tradition); the service belongs to another person of the same name; the residence of this person during the Revolution is inconsistent with the service, or multiple people have claimed the same service. Future applicants must provide proof of service (and possibly residence) that meets current standards. Ancestor Comments: 1) SERVICE BASED ON TRADITION ONLY. SEE LETTER IN #234131. 2-24-93. 2) DATACF." I guess there is more than one White Brown.. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

I want to add to my post that I did not have enough coffee yet and lots of mistakes in it..this should have said " just like passing an object from hand to hand, if it breaks it no long exists". That refers to Y testing which does not relate to a maternal line at all anywhere at any time. It also refers to the fact that many of us from early Colonial US roots get surprises in our testing. Only a handful of my Carrows match each other. It was not a time where how one spelled the name was important and many boys were orphaned and brought up in a different household than their biological fathers. Also it is quite possible for "newbies" to genetic testing to learn what is happening.. I knew NOTHING in 2004 when my Faunt first cousin tested his Y.. It is sometimes a high learning curve BUT Family Tree DNA has tutorials such as webinars and a Forum.. 23andme also has very active Forums and LOTS of ways to display your DNA for match purposes BUT no real good tutorials. AncestryDNA has a BIG database ( More than 400,000 but no tutorials. If you plan to look at autosomal testing also you need to know that 23andme has more than 650,000 testers ( in March) and AncestryDNA has 400,000+ and Family Tree DNA has 93,000. A big difference. Adoptees and others are told, when possible, to "fish" in all 3 ponds which is what I have done. I thus have at least my own autosomal DNA ( mother and father's lines as that s what autosomal is) out to match with over 1 million testers to date. Here is a great book written by someone who was a "newbie" not so very long ago.. if you have a kindle it is only $3.03 Genetic Genealogy: The Basics and Beyond Emily D. Aulicino. Again I want to reiterate that 23andme is my testing company of choice but a beginner can work best through Family Tree DNA which is very good also. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family