I don't think they actually paid this money. A bond is a pledge. But they did need to be sure they could pay this amount if need be. I think the guarantors pledged (legally swore, or if Quakers, "affirmed") to pay this, in case of a default of one of the parties (somebody changed their mind). This was a legal precaution against someone changing their mind, leaving the second party at a disadvantage. Example: if a male inpregnated a woman before becoming engaged (which did happen as we know), this bond prevented him from running off before doing "the right thing". If a young woman decides she likes someone else better, after making this legal engagement (this is probably rather rare), then the prospective husband (legal fiance) is protected. I don't personally know of any examples of the second instance. Presumaly those posting the bonds knew at least one of the marrying couple, and were pretty sure that both parties were eligible to marry (not too-close related and not already married to someone else, etc), and felt assured that the couple seriously did intend to follow through on these legally-binding records of intention to marry. The guarantors probably gave a personal "note"(kind-of like writing a check) for the amount of the bond to the local or regional authorities, who would hold it without cashing, and which would have been returned (to be torn up) after the marriage actually did take place. If the marriage didn't happen for whatever reason, then the guarantors would have owed this bond amount, and after the non-marriage was legally noted, they would have been expected to pay the bond posthaste. Hope this helps, Liz J On 12 July 2014 20:52, <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > In the Dover, Delaware Archives I found a card with information giving the > groom's and bride's name along with a notation about a "bond". When I > pursued this information, I found on Ancestry.com that the groom and > another man each paid $100.00 to the state of Delaware.This was a lot of > money in 1835, something like $5000.00 today. Does anyone know anything > about they whys and wherefores of a "bond" payable to the state for a > marriage? > > Anne Harris > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In the Dover, Delaware Archives I found a card with information giving the groom's and bride's name along with a notation about a "bond". When I pursued this information, I found on Ancestry.com that the groom and another man each paid $100.00 to the state of Delaware.This was a lot of money in 1835, something like $5000.00 today. Does anyone know anything about they whys and wherefores of a "bond" payable to the state for a marriage? Anne Harris

Paula, Did you see my post about the OH information I had on him? I did not see it posted....let me know if you did not because I have family history that states he moved and where he lived in MD. vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Furick Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:04 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Brown, White Thank you to those who have posted in reply to my post on White Brown. There were many helpful hints, and I appreciate them greatly! I am researching for both his service and his place of residence during the Rev war ( registrar for a DAR chapter in Seattle). I spoke with the corrections genealogist at DAR last week, to determine exactly WHAT was needed to reactivate this line. Turns out, both proof of residence and proof of service in Delaware are needed. The Orphans court records may take care of the residence, so now I can look for service. If he was, in fact, a surveyor in Delaware, hopefully I will eventually be able to find a survey with his name on it during the RW time frame or some court record indicating him as surveyor. As for the Ohio part, he moved there in 1801 or 1802, per a family genealogy. It was published in 1912, so would be 'usable' if it is sourced well enough. There are excerpts about it in several of the SAR apps I've viewed on Ancestry. I'm in Seattle, so on-site research is not possible. Thanks again, any suggestions appreciated! Paula *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mud IS what it feels like sometimes LeeAnn...been at this since I was 16 and I am quite a bit older now...not now but soon I"ll start another 'bad' thread entitled, Where do I go if I come to Dorchester Co! :) I will also go to Coin Beach to see where my Elliott Ancestors lost their lives in the shipwreck of the Faithful Steward. Can't wait... Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mithry@nc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:57 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] DNA Test Resource Kathleen Thank you for posting the link. I'm looking through the mud with Vera and the site looks promising. In all it has been an informative discussion. LeeAnn ---- Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> wrote: One more very quick resource for those who want to learn more about DNA. Kelly Wheaton is a colleague of mine at ISOGG and has this super website with a step by step lesson component. Also feel free to ask me questions, I really do not mind. https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-gene alogy Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to those who have posted in reply to my post on White Brown. There were many helpful hints, and I appreciate them greatly! I am researching for both his service and his place of residence during the Rev war ( registrar for a DAR chapter in Seattle). I spoke with the corrections genealogist at DAR last week, to determine exactly WHAT was needed to reactivate this line. Turns out, both proof of residence and proof of service in Delaware are needed. The Orphans court records may take care of the residence, so now I can look for service. If he was, in fact, a surveyor in Delaware, hopefully I will eventually be able to find a survey with his name on it during the RW time frame or some court record indicating him as surveyor. As for the Ohio part, he moved there in 1801 or 1802, per a family genealogy. It was published in 1912, so would be 'usable' if it is sourced well enough. There are excerpts about it in several of the SAR apps I've viewed on Ancestry. I'm in Seattle, so on-site research is not possible. Thanks again, any suggestions appreciated! Paula

Kathleen Thank you for posting the link. I'm looking through the mud with Vera and the site looks promising. In all it has been an informative discussion. LeeAnn ---- Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> wrote: One more very quick resource for those who want to learn more about DNA. Kelly Wheaton is a colleague of mine at ISOGG and has this super website with a step by step lesson component. Also feel free to ask me questions, I really do not mind. https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As did I, who started the DNA testing questions...I cannot afford the time to take this to another list as I barely have time to keep up with this very important and informational family list area. Thanks for tolerating the divergence to this subject. Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:16 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Y DNA testing Yes, I would also like to thank Kathleen for making the effort and taking the time to help explain things to descendants of LDR families here, who need to know about these various types of newer research tools. I found the discussion very worthwhile. Thanks very much, Liz J On 8 July 2014 21:08, faye lewis <fslewis@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, heaven forbid there be more than a post a week! Kathleen, thank > you for informing us. I have let my Ancestry membership lapse and > would never have known without your kind intervention. > > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AND we are glad...thank you so much for ALLLLLLL your hard work...I wish I had more time to work on my genealogy. My kids and grandkids I think would find our pioneer story inspiring. I have a friend working on the Eastern Shore this summer and its only a 7ish hour drive...I may for the first time return to the motherland of MD...I look forward to this time when I can get from all of you ideas of where I should go for a day to get most bang for my buck!! :) Thanks again for your diligence and study and time, Kathleen (beautiful name btw...my daughter is named thusly) Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 1:22 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Y DNA testing - Chromo2 test Edward I am sure that you are correct although as some people have posted already, you probably need to have a working knowledge of Y haplogroups to understand just the Y SNPS test . I personally at this point refuse to test more markers when a SNP Will tell the tale.. I am testing my Faunt first cousin one SNP at a time and that can work. I think also that Thomas Krahn's individual SNP testing is a great idea. ISOGG's position is that when there is a match at 25 or 37 markers then SNP testing can replace more STRS. To my mind, the 23andme Y Haplogroup with it's terminal SNP tells a great deal and is included in the price. If I was starting all over I would think about Chromo2 after 23andme. Many of my ISOGG friends have done so. A bias remains within the testing community about STRs being necessary.. and FTDNA recently ignored any input from ISOGG in their $695 Big Y interpretation and it really blew up in their face. If you look now not so many of the more complicated haplogroups are listed properly at this time. Three weeks ago my cousin was called I-PF4088 and then for a few weeks it was unconfirmed and today he is I-PF4088 again. Others who were in his I2 group became G and worse. That is what the ups and down is doing to testers and I am not qualified to assist Lower Delmarva males to just SNP test. I rely on the Haplogroup big guys for guidance. I would LOVE to have someone who knew a lot more join us as an Admin. < batting eyelashes > as it would be so helpful. I spend a lot of time arguing with FTDNA over nomenclature and asking the E1b group WHY everyone should test more STRS. It is difficult. I have days when I would just walk away from it all but in the last 3 months FTDNA has decided they LIKE Group Admins so here I am. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Edward Hammond <gerencia@chisgonon.com> wrote: > > For men who are interested in Y chromosome-focused tests, and who > trace their lineage back to the British Isles, another SNP-based > testing option is the Chromo2 test from Britain's DNA. Yes, you can > send a vial of spit in the airmail over the Atlantic Ocean. > > My direct male ancestor came from the UK and the test worked well for > me. The detail in the results for me in the Chromo2 SNP test is equal > to or better than the ftdna 67 STR marker test. It also compares > favorably on price. The basic model Chromo2 test comes in at $199, > compared to $268 for 67 marker at ftdna. The 111 STR ($359) and "Big Y" > ($695!) at ftdna are even more money. > > I have an SNP that's in a few Eastern Shore-originating surnames, but > which has only been positively tested in maybe a dozen people > (although a lot more are presumed to have it). The Chromo2 test found > this weird SNP, and identified previously unknown upstream SNPs that > together might eventually provide credible evidence for where in UK my family came from. > > Anyway, I'm not one to do product endorsements, but having done some > level of testing at 23andme, ftdna, and Britain's DNA, if I had to > pick one for male testing for men originally from the British Isles, > it's Britain's DNA. And happily, it's not as expensive as ftdna either. > > The one drawback at Britain's DNA is that they don't have the fancy > tools that ftdna and 23andme have to allow you to find other people > you are related to. My impression is that they want to develop them > but aren't big enough yet. Anyway, you can take your Chromo2 result > in raw format and link up with other people via the various internet > lists and sites organized around different haplogroups, surnames, etc. > It just takes a little more work and interpretation on your own. > > EH > > > > > On 07/08/2014 08:04 AM, Kathleen Ingram wrote: >> Someone reminded me privately that when I said this:" If you test at >> 23andme which does test YDNA and mito DNA only theautosomal results >> will be transferable to FTDNA. It costs $69 to transfer." that I >> SHOULD have qualified that to say that NEWER tests from 23andme, on >> the V4 chip are not currently transferrable to Family Tree DNA NOR >> are OLDER ones from the V2 chip.. >> >> So only V3 Chip is tranferrable which does exclude a lot of people, >> including my sister and one of my sons. >> >> This means that anyone testing now at 23andme cannot transfer to >> FTDNA but they CAN transfer to Gedmatch.com >> >> Vera, that might mean that FTDNA is your best option.. >> >> Thanks Gregg! >> >> Kathleen Carrow Ingram >> Guild # 6449 >> >> myainfolk.blogspot.com/ >> myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ >> trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Interesting as our father's line does clearly come from England, Leceistershire possibly. Thanks, Vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edward Hammond Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 12:27 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Y DNA testing - Chromo2 test For men who are interested in Y chromosome-focused tests, and who trace their lineage back to the British Isles, another SNP-based testing option is the Chromo2 test from Britain's DNA. Yes, you can send a vial of spit in the airmail over the Atlantic Ocean. My direct male ancestor came from the UK and the test worked well for me. The detail in the results for me in the Chromo2 SNP test is equal to or better than the ftdna 67 STR marker test. It also compares favorably on price. The basic model Chromo2 test comes in at $199, compared to $268 for 67 marker at ftdna. The 111 STR ($359) and "Big Y" ($695!) at ftdna are even more money. I have an SNP that's in a few Eastern Shore-originating surnames, but which has only been positively tested in maybe a dozen people (although a lot more are presumed to have it). The Chromo2 test found this weird SNP, and identified previously unknown upstream SNPs that together might eventually provide credible evidence for where in UK my family came from. Anyway, I'm not one to do product endorsements, but having done some level of testing at 23andme, ftdna, and Britain's DNA, if I had to pick one for male testing for men originally from the British Isles, it's Britain's DNA. And happily, it's not as expensive as ftdna either. The one drawback at Britain's DNA is that they don't have the fancy tools that ftdna and 23andme have to allow you to find other people you are related to. My impression is that they want to develop them but aren't big enough yet. Anyway, you can take your Chromo2 result in raw format and link up with other people via the various internet lists and sites organized around different haplogroups, surnames, etc. It just takes a little more work and interpretation on your own. EH On 07/08/2014 08:04 AM, Kathleen Ingram wrote: > Someone reminded me privately that when I said this:" If you test at > 23andme which does test YDNA and mito DNA only theautosomal results > will be transferable to FTDNA. It costs $69 to transfer." that I > SHOULD have qualified that to say that NEWER tests from 23andme, on > the V4 chip are not currently transferrable to Family Tree DNA NOR are > OLDER ones from the V2 chip.. > > So only V3 Chip is tranferrable which does exclude a lot of people, > including my sister and one of my sons. > > This means that anyone testing now at 23andme cannot transfer to FTDNA > but they CAN transfer to Gedmatch.com > > Vera, that might mean that FTDNA is your best option.. > > Thanks Gregg! > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One more very quick resource for those who want to learn more about DNA. Kelly Wheaton is a colleague of mine at ISOGG and has this super website with a step by step lesson component. Also feel free to ask me questions, I really do not mind. https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

Ok thanks everyone...its clear as mud! :) vera -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ingram Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:05 AM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Y DNA testing - Why no Ys? transferring 23andme to FTDNA Someone reminded me privately that when I said this:" If you test at 23andme which does test YDNA and mito DNA only theautosomal results will be transferable to FTDNA. It costs $69 to transfer." that I SHOULD have qualified that to say that NEWER tests from 23andme, on the V4 chip are not currently transferrable to Family Tree DNA NOR are OLDER ones from the V2 chip.. So only V3 Chip is tranferrable which does exclude a lot of people, including my sister and one of my sons. This means that anyone testing now at 23andme cannot transfer to FTDNA but they CAN transfer to Gedmatch.com Vera, that might mean that FTDNA is your best option.. Thanks Gregg! Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aww, thank you Liz and Faye and others who have contacted me about the DNA posts. It IS important to me and others as it is how we move forward. If any of you are on Facebook ISOGG is a great lobbying force where all of the players (companies and their reps) weigh in.. You have to join ISOGG and that is good also. If not here is ISOGG http://www.isogg.org/ and they have a NEWBIE section and a Newbie Yahoo group ( I think it is Yahoo) I am responding to George Dill privately and anyone with questions feel free to contact me at this gmail address. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, I would also like to thank Kathleen for making the effort and taking > the time to help explain things to descendants of LDR families here, who > need to know about these various types of newer research tools. I found the > discussion very worthwhile. > > Thanks very much, > Liz J > > > On 8 July 2014 21:08, faye lewis <fslewis@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, heaven forbid there be more than a post a week! Kathleen, thank you >> for informing us. I have let my Ancestry membership lapse and would never >> have known without your kind intervention. >> >> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I would also like to thank Kathleen for making the effort and taking the time to help explain things to descendants of LDR families here, who need to know about these various types of newer research tools. I found the discussion very worthwhile. Thanks very much, Liz J On 8 July 2014 21:08, faye lewis <fslewis@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, heaven forbid there be more than a post a week! Kathleen, thank you > for informing us. I have let my Ancestry membership lapse and would never > have known without your kind intervention. > >

Yes, heaven forbid there be more than a post a week! Kathleen, thank you for informing us. I have let my Ancestry membership lapse and would never have known without your kind intervention. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Kathleen Ingram <kathlingram45@gmail.com> wrote: > That is a very good suggestion Lisa. Point taken > I would not even begin to know how to answer some of these questions. > My original post was to inform Delmarva families how to transfer Y DNA > in case they did not have that information. > Most Colonial families have their mysteries and we do what we do to > try to solve them. > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Lisa Just <lisajust820@gmail.com> wrote: > > Might I respectfully point out that this discussion started out only > > tangentially related to LDR, and now has strayed to questions about DNA > > testing/companies/results, etc.? Maybe this discussion would be better > > suited on another board? > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:43 PM, George Dill <george.d.dill@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> I am totally confused and disappointed by the DNA testing rage. I see > >> others who say that their testing helped to find ancestors so I had a > y-DNA > >> done at ftDNA. When I got the results it said that the family line I > >> thought was mine was not mine. I had only a family story that said John > >> Dill had left his home in Ireland when he was young (about the time my > John > >> Dill came to America in 1659 as established by land court records) and > they > >> did not hear from him since. But my y-DNA test says that I have a > Norman > >> lineage whereas the Irland Dill lineage has a Celtic linage. I now know > >> that I am not of that Ireland lineage unless my gg--g grandmother had an > >> affair. So how do I go about finding a clue that tells me where in > Europe > >> to look for my John Dill's homeland and family line? Will my 67 y-DNA > test > >> be of any value in this search? The ftDNA pages on Genetic Distance is > >> also > >> confusing. It gives the following information: > >> Marker Genetic Country > >> Matches > >> Number Distance Origin > >> 25 1 Ireland > >> 1 > >> 25 2 Ireland, Denmark, United Kingdom > >> 1,1,1 > >> 37 3 Germany > >> 1 > >> 37 4 England > >> 5 > >> 67 6 England > >> 2 > >> 67 7 England, Finland, Netherlands > >> 2,1,1 > >> > >> I cannot go to all these countries to search for my ancestors. How does > >> this information help to locate where to look for my early ancestors? > >> > >> I am no closer to finding the country of origin of John Dill today than > I > >> was five years ago when I paid for the test. > >> > >> Thanks for any help anyone can give. With love in Christ, > >> > >> George Dill > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kathleen Ingram" <kathlingram45@gmail.com> > >> To: <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:25 AM > >> Subject: Re: [LDR] Y DNA testing > >> > >> > >> > I just saw this on TWITTER.. FTDNA as well as 23andme have little > >> > PSA's all the time.. > >> > > >> > TWEET .."What is the difference between a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) SNP > >> > test and Family Tree DNA's Y-DNA STR tests?" > >> > > >> > The Y-DNA SNP testing provides information on the deeper ancestry for > >> > a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA), paternal, lineage. Depending on the branch > >> > of the Y-DNA tree to which the person tested belongs, this may relate > >> > to ancestry beyond the genealogical period. > >> > > >> > Family Tree DNA's Y-DNA STR (short tandem repeat) tests are more > >> > relevant to recent times and genealogy. > >> > > >> > FYI and relevant to this conversation.. > >> > > >> > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > >> > Guild # 6449 > >> > > >> > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > >> > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > >> > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > >> > > >> > *************************************** > >> > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > >> > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > >> > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> *************************************** > >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is a very good suggestion Lisa. Point taken I would not even begin to know how to answer some of these questions. My original post was to inform Delmarva families how to transfer Y DNA in case they did not have that information. Most Colonial families have their mysteries and we do what we do to try to solve them. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Lisa Just <lisajust820@gmail.com> wrote: > Might I respectfully point out that this discussion started out only > tangentially related to LDR, and now has strayed to questions about DNA > testing/companies/results, etc.? Maybe this discussion would be better > suited on another board? > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:43 PM, George Dill <george.d.dill@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am totally confused and disappointed by the DNA testing rage. I see >> others who say that their testing helped to find ancestors so I had a y-DNA >> done at ftDNA. When I got the results it said that the family line I >> thought was mine was not mine. I had only a family story that said John >> Dill had left his home in Ireland when he was young (about the time my John >> Dill came to America in 1659 as established by land court records) and they >> did not hear from him since. But my y-DNA test says that I have a Norman >> lineage whereas the Irland Dill lineage has a Celtic linage. I now know >> that I am not of that Ireland lineage unless my gg--g grandmother had an >> affair. So how do I go about finding a clue that tells me where in Europe >> to look for my John Dill's homeland and family line? Will my 67 y-DNA test >> be of any value in this search? The ftDNA pages on Genetic Distance is >> also >> confusing. It gives the following information: >> Marker Genetic Country >> Matches >> Number Distance Origin >> 25 1 Ireland >> 1 >> 25 2 Ireland, Denmark, United Kingdom >> 1,1,1 >> 37 3 Germany >> 1 >> 37 4 England >> 5 >> 67 6 England >> 2 >> 67 7 England, Finland, Netherlands >> 2,1,1 >> >> I cannot go to all these countries to search for my ancestors. How does >> this information help to locate where to look for my early ancestors? >> >> I am no closer to finding the country of origin of John Dill today than I >> was five years ago when I paid for the test. >> >> Thanks for any help anyone can give. With love in Christ, >> >> George Dill >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kathleen Ingram" <kathlingram45@gmail.com> >> To: <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDR] Y DNA testing >> >> >> > I just saw this on TWITTER.. FTDNA as well as 23andme have little >> > PSA's all the time.. >> > >> > TWEET .."What is the difference between a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) SNP >> > test and Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR tests?" >> > >> > The Y-DNA SNP testing provides information on the deeper ancestry for >> > a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA), paternal, lineage. Depending on the branch >> > of the Y-DNA tree to which the person tested belongs, this may relate >> > to ancestry beyond the genealogical period. >> > >> > Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR (short tandem repeat) tests are more >> > relevant to recent times and genealogy. >> > >> > FYI and relevant to this conversation.. >> > >> > Kathleen Carrow Ingram >> > Guild # 6449 >> > >> > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ >> > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ >> > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family >> > >> > *************************************** >> > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Might I respectfully point out that this discussion started out only tangentially related to LDR, and now has strayed to questions about DNA testing/companies/results, etc.? Maybe this discussion would be better suited on another board? On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:43 PM, George Dill <george.d.dill@gmail.com> wrote: > I am totally confused and disappointed by the DNA testing rage. I see > others who say that their testing helped to find ancestors so I had a y-DNA > done at ftDNA. When I got the results it said that the family line I > thought was mine was not mine. I had only a family story that said John > Dill had left his home in Ireland when he was young (about the time my John > Dill came to America in 1659 as established by land court records) and they > did not hear from him since. But my y-DNA test says that I have a Norman > lineage whereas the Irland Dill lineage has a Celtic linage. I now know > that I am not of that Ireland lineage unless my gg--g grandmother had an > affair. So how do I go about finding a clue that tells me where in Europe > to look for my John Dill's homeland and family line? Will my 67 y-DNA test > be of any value in this search? The ftDNA pages on Genetic Distance is > also > confusing. It gives the following information: > Marker Genetic Country > Matches > Number Distance Origin > 25 1 Ireland > 1 > 25 2 Ireland, Denmark, United Kingdom > 1,1,1 > 37 3 Germany > 1 > 37 4 England > 5 > 67 6 England > 2 > 67 7 England, Finland, Netherlands > 2,1,1 > > I cannot go to all these countries to search for my ancestors. How does > this information help to locate where to look for my early ancestors? > > I am no closer to finding the country of origin of John Dill today than I > was five years ago when I paid for the test. > > Thanks for any help anyone can give. With love in Christ, > > George Dill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Ingram" <kathlingram45@gmail.com> > To: <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [LDR] Y DNA testing > > > > I just saw this on TWITTER.. FTDNA as well as 23andme have little > > PSA's all the time.. > > > > TWEET .."What is the difference between a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) SNP > > test and Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR tests?" > > > > The Y-DNA SNP testing provides information on the deeper ancestry for > > a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA), paternal, lineage. Depending on the branch > > of the Y-DNA tree to which the person tested belongs, this may relate > > to ancestry beyond the genealogical period. > > > > Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR (short tandem repeat) tests are more > > relevant to recent times and genealogy. > > > > FYI and relevant to this conversation.. > > > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > > Guild # 6449 > > > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am totally confused and disappointed by the DNA testing rage. I see others who say that their testing helped to find ancestors so I had a y-DNA done at ftDNA. When I got the results it said that the family line I thought was mine was not mine. I had only a family story that said John Dill had left his home in Ireland when he was young (about the time my John Dill came to America in 1659 as established by land court records) and they did not hear from him since. But my y-DNA test says that I have a Norman lineage whereas the Irland Dill lineage has a Celtic linage. I now know that I am not of that Ireland lineage unless my gg--g grandmother had an affair. So how do I go about finding a clue that tells me where in Europe to look for my John Dill's homeland and family line? Will my 67 y-DNA test be of any value in this search? The ftDNA pages on Genetic Distance is also confusing. It gives the following information: Marker Genetic Country Matches Number Distance Origin 25 1 Ireland 1 25 2 Ireland, Denmark, United Kingdom 1,1,1 37 3 Germany 1 37 4 England 5 67 6 England 2 67 7 England, Finland, Netherlands 2,1,1 I cannot go to all these countries to search for my ancestors. How does this information help to locate where to look for my early ancestors? I am no closer to finding the country of origin of John Dill today than I was five years ago when I paid for the test. Thanks for any help anyone can give. With love in Christ, George Dill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Ingram" <kathlingram45@gmail.com> To: <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] Y DNA testing > I just saw this on TWITTER.. FTDNA as well as 23andme have little > PSA's all the time.. > > TWEET .."What is the difference between a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) SNP > test and Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR tests?" > > The Y-DNA SNP testing provides information on the deeper ancestry for > a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA), paternal, lineage. Depending on the branch > of the Y-DNA tree to which the person tested belongs, this may relate > to ancestry beyond the genealogical period. > > Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR (short tandem repeat) tests are more > relevant to recent times and genealogy. > > FYI and relevant to this conversation.. > > Kathleen Carrow Ingram > Guild # 6449 > > myainfolk.blogspot.com/ > myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ > trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just saw this on TWITTER.. FTDNA as well as 23andme have little PSA's all the time.. TWEET .."What is the difference between a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) SNP test and Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR tests?" The Y-DNA SNP testing provides information on the deeper ancestry for a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA), paternal, lineage. Depending on the branch of the Y-DNA tree to which the person tested belongs, this may relate to ancestry beyond the genealogical period. Family Tree DNA’s Y-DNA STR (short tandem repeat) tests are more relevant to recent times and genealogy. FYI and relevant to this conversation.. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family

Edward I am sure that you are correct although as some people have posted already, you probably need to have a working knowledge of Y haplogroups to understand just the Y SNPS test . I personally at this point refuse to test more markers when a SNP Will tell the tale.. I am testing my Faunt first cousin one SNP at a time and that can work. I think also that Thomas Krahn's individual SNP testing is a great idea. ISOGG's position is that when there is a match at 25 or 37 markers then SNP testing can replace more STRS. To my mind, the 23andme Y Haplogroup with it's terminal SNP tells a great deal and is included in the price. If I was starting all over I would think about Chromo2 after 23andme. Many of my ISOGG friends have done so. A bias remains within the testing community about STRs being necessary.. and FTDNA recently ignored any input from ISOGG in their $695 Big Y interpretation and it really blew up in their face. If you look now not so many of the more complicated haplogroups are listed properly at this time. Three weeks ago my cousin was called I-PF4088 and then for a few weeks it was unconfirmed and today he is I-PF4088 again. Others who were in his I2 group became G and worse. That is what the ups and down is doing to testers and I am not qualified to assist Lower Delmarva males to just SNP test. I rely on the Haplogroup big guys for guidance. I would LOVE to have someone who knew a lot more join us as an Admin. < batting eyelashes > as it would be so helpful. I spend a lot of time arguing with FTDNA over nomenclature and asking the E1b group WHY everyone should test more STRS. It is difficult. I have days when I would just walk away from it all but in the last 3 months FTDNA has decided they LIKE Group Admins so here I am. Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Edward Hammond <gerencia@chisgonon.com> wrote: > > For men who are interested in Y chromosome-focused tests, and who trace > their lineage back to the British Isles, another SNP-based testing > option is the Chromo2 test from Britain's DNA. Yes, you can send a vial > of spit in the airmail over the Atlantic Ocean. > > My direct male ancestor came from the UK and the test worked well for > me. The detail in the results for me in the Chromo2 SNP test is equal > to or better than the ftdna 67 STR marker test. It also compares > favorably on price. The basic model Chromo2 test comes in at $199, > compared to $268 for 67 marker at ftdna. The 111 STR ($359) and "Big Y" > ($695!) at ftdna are even more money. > > I have an SNP that's in a few Eastern Shore-originating surnames, but > which has only been positively tested in maybe a dozen people (although > a lot more are presumed to have it). The Chromo2 test found this weird > SNP, and identified previously unknown upstream SNPs that together might > eventually provide credible evidence for where in UK my family came from. > > Anyway, I'm not one to do product endorsements, but having done some > level of testing at 23andme, ftdna, and Britain's DNA, if I had to pick > one for male testing for men originally from the British Isles, it's > Britain's DNA. And happily, it's not as expensive as ftdna either. > > The one drawback at Britain's DNA is that they don't have the fancy > tools that ftdna and 23andme have to allow you to find other people you > are related to. My impression is that they want to develop them but > aren't big enough yet. Anyway, you can take your Chromo2 result in raw > format and link up with other people via the various internet lists and > sites organized around different haplogroups, surnames, etc. It just > takes a little more work and interpretation on your own. > > EH > > > > > On 07/08/2014 08:04 AM, Kathleen Ingram wrote: >> Someone reminded me privately that when I said this:" If you test at >> 23andme which does test YDNA and mito DNA only theautosomal results >> will be transferable to FTDNA. It costs $69 to transfer." that I >> SHOULD have qualified that to say that NEWER tests from 23andme, on >> the V4 chip are not currently transferrable to Family Tree DNA NOR are >> OLDER ones from the V2 chip.. >> >> So only V3 Chip is tranferrable which does exclude a lot of people, >> including my sister and one of my sons. >> >> This means that anyone testing now at 23andme cannot transfer to FTDNA >> but they CAN transfer to Gedmatch.com >> >> Vera, that might mean that FTDNA is your best option.. >> >> Thanks Gregg! >> >> Kathleen Carrow Ingram >> Guild # 6449 >> >> myainfolk.blogspot.com/ >> myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ >> trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family >> *************************************** >> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? >> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: >> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't see how it is not possible for White Brown (the uncle) to have had 3 wives. Sussex Co deeds (Vol X-22; 517 and Vol Z-24; 8, 10, 210, Vol AB; 203, 488) clearly show Milla Brown, Anna Bowdle (wife of William), Rebecca (wife of Thomas Hardy), Elizabeth Brown and Lucretia Brown as children of White Brown and his former wife, Lucretia who was an heir of Abraham Clarkson. Milla, Anna and Rebecca selling their shares in 1802 (over 21), Elizabeth in 1804 (turned 21?) and Lucretia in 1806 (turned 21?). The deeds also state they are from Ross Co, OH. The deeds appear to all reference their interests in the same lands and are being sold off to the same persons. Also in 1802 (Vol Y; 198) White Brown and wife Sarah appoint Kendel Batson and James P Wilson as power of attorney to act on their behalf in selling pending "deals" to the same person. Given that Lucretia, the daughter, was 21 in 1806, she would have been born about 1785. Lucretia, the mother could have died in childbirth or shortly thereafter; leaving White free and in need to marry Anne Withgott in 1786. She could have died before 1792 and then he married Sarah Thomas. This is still leaving White Brown in Sussex Co to settle his father's estate in 1798 when his brother, Thomas White Brown died. So I see no reason he could not have had 3 wives. Maybe none of the DAR applicants could prove his service. Also in 1804, White Brown Jr (the nephew) of Ross Co, OH and his mother, Rachel Brown, widow of Curtis, "being about to remove to the state of Ohio" sell Curtis Brown's land, being agreeable to the other children: Ritty, Clement, Sim [Sina], Kitturah, Zachariah, and Patty [Polly]. From Sussex Co deed Z-24; 208. Brenda -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Ingram Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 9:02 AM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] LDR] BROWN, White, b1749 Dorchester CO Two marriages exist.. this one Anne Withgott 6 Oct 1786 - Dorchester County and this one Sarah Thomas 15 Dec 1792 - Dorchester County And then there is THIS man Thomas White Brown who marries Lucretia Cannon 1790 in Caroline County.. The current DAR Reference has him married to ALL 3 women which is clearly not possible. so no one can go forward on him.. lots of bad applications and descendants.and he is NOT in Sussex County DE The only way to reconcile this is to figure out for sure which woman was your ancestor and then try to get service Thomas White Brown looks like the likeliest one.. Thomas Williams and wife Lucretia, late Lucretia Brown Thomas White Brown C. - - 1798 Primary Name:James Brown, Sr Will Made Date:22 Sep 1787 Heirs:wife Priscilla Brown; sons James, Thomas and White Brown; daus. [Rebecca] Brown, Elizabeth Dawson, Priscilla Smith, Mary Twyford and Sarah Riggin; grandson James Brown; granddau. Henrietta Brown Executor Name:wife Priscilla Brown and son Thomas Brown Witness Names:Thomas White, Charles Twyford, Humphries Brown Will Probate Date:27 Nov 1794 Primary Name:James Brown Administrator Name:White Brown, D. B. N., C. T. A., in right of Thomas W. Brown Will Probate Date:Nov 1798 So this White Brown is deceased in 1798 when Lucretia Cannon is married to Thomas Williams.. and not the man listed in the DAR from Dorchester MD who goes to Ohio and married to Withgott and Thomas.. lots of issues..possibly they were all connected but not the same.. Hope this helps Kathleen Carrow Ingram Guild # 6449 myainfolk.blogspot.com/ myainfolkfantofireland.blogspot.com/ trees.ancestry.com/tree/52630507/family *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message