One of the coincident sets of family deaths in my family that I mentioned yesterday was a set of three deaths in 1851 (Feb, June & Sept). They were of varying ages, up to 18, which I have taken to suggest some commonplace endemic disease in their rural community (Columbia, Little Creek Hundred). Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of map via Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 2:15 PM To: Shari Handley; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 99 - Epidemics in US 1628-1918 So have I, Shari. Did anyone else notice a lot of deaths in 1850 for your Sussex Co. families? From: Shari Handley via Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:15 PM To: C. R. V. Hall ; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 99 - Epidemics in US 1628-1918 Awesome! I've been looking for something like this when visiting cemeteries. Thanks! On Friday, July 18, 2014, C. R. V. Hall via < lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I ran across the list cited below some years ago. It is not all > inclusive but gives an idea of what was going on in this country. > > Rob > ================ > > Epidemics in US 1628-1918 > > http://bjhughes.org/epidemic.html > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > -- * Shari* *shari.handley@gmail.com <shari.handley@gmail.com>* *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not Sussex Co., but not far away, I have two in the same family in 1850. Mother Susan (Sebo) Caulk widow of John Caulk, died about age 60 in Jan. 1850 of typhoid in Pencader Hundred, New Castle County, Delaware. Daughter Mary Frances Caulk died (same place) in April 1850, "of a ruptured blood vessel", but we don't know what the cause of that might have been. Hemorrhage and intestinal perforation are two rare but dangerous complications of typhoid infection. Liz J On 18 July 2014 14:14, map via <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > So have I, Shari. Did anyone else notice a lot of deaths in 1850 for your > Sussex Co. families? > > > From: Shari Handley via > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:15 PM > To: C. R. V. Hall ; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 99 - > Epidemics in US 1628-1918 > Awesome! I've been looking for something like this when visiting > cemeteries. Thanks! > > On Friday, July 18, 2014, C. R. V. Hall via < > lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > I ran across the list cited below some years ago. It is not all > inclusive > > but gives an idea of what was going on in this country. > > > > Rob > > ================ > > > > Epidemics in US 1628-1918 > > > > http://bjhughes.org/epidemic.html > > > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > -- > > > * Shari* > *shari.handley@gmail.com <shari.handley@gmail.com>* > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So have I, Shari. Did anyone else notice a lot of deaths in 1850 for your Sussex Co. families? From: Shari Handley via Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:15 PM To: C. R. V. Hall ; lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 99 - Epidemics in US 1628-1918 Awesome! I've been looking for something like this when visiting cemeteries. Thanks! On Friday, July 18, 2014, C. R. V. Hall via < lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I ran across the list cited below some years ago. It is not all inclusive > but gives an idea of what was going on in this country. > > Rob > ================ > > Epidemics in US 1628-1918 > > http://bjhughes.org/epidemic.html > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- * Shari* *shari.handley@gmail.com <shari.handley@gmail.com>* *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Awesome! I've been looking for something like this when visiting cemeteries. Thanks! On Friday, July 18, 2014, C. R. V. Hall via < lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I ran across the list cited below some years ago. It is not all inclusive > but gives an idea of what was going on in this country. > > Rob > ================ > > Epidemics in US 1628-1918 > > http://bjhughes.org/epidemic.html > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- * Shari* *shari.handley@gmail.com <shari.handley@gmail.com>*

Thank you. In this weeks Kent County News, there is a section which states that on "July 16,1864, the small-pox is reported raging in Cambridge, MD." Other news at this same site. "Authorities of Betterton have lifted a long standing ban on topless bathing suits for men, much to the delight of hundred of male bathers in the Chesapeake Bay." Two very different markers of the march of time. Anne On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:12 AM, C. R. V. Hall via < lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I ran across the list cited below some years ago. It is not all inclusive > but gives an idea of what was going on in this country. > > Rob > ================ > > Epidemics in US 1628-1918 > > http://bjhughes.org/epidemic.html > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I ran across the list cited below some years ago. It is not all inclusive but gives an idea of what was going on in this country. Rob ================ Epidemics in US 1628-1918 http://bjhughes.org/epidemic.html

Hi Anne- I have had numerous variations of that in my family(families), although none that I am aware of that early. These events were almost certainly the result of contagious diseases spreading through a household. Although the germ theory had started to take hold in scientific and medical thinking by 1700, it did not really influence the health and hygienic practices of families and individuals for another 50 years and even then these practices were not employed in ways we would recognize (especially in rural/colonial settings) for more than another 50 years. We know that antiseptic approaches to surgery were not widely employed even in the Civil War and we can easily find examples of food & water-borne diseases, such as Typhus and Cholera in the first half of the twentieth century. In fact, I would look first to these two diseases as explanations for these kinds of coincident events. Terry -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Harris via Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:33 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Maryland Epidemic 1790 I have two relatives who died within 3 days of each other in 1790. Has anyone else had this experience at the same time? *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

one of those things we can only speculate about and never know for sure. I am still trying to figure out where these people feed into my family tree. They are in a family bible but there is no information about the specific connection. I work on this stuff 'til my eyes cross. Many Thanks for helping me think. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Kari Farnell via < lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I just read an article today from the Easton Star-Democrat that talked > about people getting sick from eating raw shellfish, and then there was > another article on there from 2010 with the same topic, so it was evidently > not isolated to the early years of the state. > > > > On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, E Johnson via < > lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I guess I should have included more of the rest of the story about the > > oysters being stored in a stream. Shortly after these were stored in the > > stream waiting for shipment, a lagge number of them were sent to a local > > hotel where a big banquet was scheduled by a local bigwhig. The banquet > > consisted of several courses, one of which was oysters on the half shell, > > then a trendy kind of upsacle appetizer marketed to a certain class of > > customers. There were other choices of appetizer for this course, so not > > everyone attending the banquet ate the ysters. But of those who did eat > the > > oyster appetizer, many did get sick to varying degrees. I don't recall > > right now if any deaths were reported, but much misery among the > > party-goers made the newspapers. > > > > The less-upscale folks tended to make oyster stew from oysters fresh from > > the sea that their husbands, sons, fathers and brothers brought home. > These > > oysters were cooked, which would disable any bacteria or other germs. In > > any case, seafood fresh from the sea (in those days) tended to be very > > clean. > > > > A Pre-PS: don't let this tale scare you away from oysters on the half > > shell. Sanitation and storage methods have improved in the last 100 > years, > > since we can make ce and we have electically--powered refrigerators and > > freezers. Inspection is being done, when 100+ years ago, that may not > have > > been the case. There are other diseases to watch out for these days, but > > luckily the nastiest ones that fly in on airplane flights are not likely > to > > be transmitted to food by restaurant service persons, since restaurant > > workers don't tend to be worldwide travellers who visit exotic places. > > Meanwhile, enjoy your oysters. > > > > Liz J > > > > > > Liz J > > > > > > On 16 July 2014 20:06, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > > > Susan's case could have to do with something contagious which was > > > repeatedly getting into the groundwater, polluting a family's well, > > causing > > > some type of dysentery or typhus or typhoid. > > > > > > If they lived near a port city, and both had business there at the same > > > time, then there were various diseases that could have come from > anywhere > > > in the tropics and affected both father and son. Some diseases were: > > > Cholera and Yellow Fever. Both were quite devastating. Philadelphia > > > (Pennsylvania), another major US port, had two epidemics of Yellow > fever > > in > > > the 1790's. > > > > > > Or it could have been some other disease that was recurring in the > > > community. Smallpox is also a possibility, as is Malaria or tertian > ague. > > > > > > Or, it could be a complete coincidence, or some combination of the > above. > > > > > > Tuberculosis did also run in families, and also was (is) contagious. > > > People cough a lot & etc. But this disease usually took longer to > develop > > > and to die from (it's chronic, not acute). > > > > > > Figuring out what killed persons close to the same dates really > requires > > a > > > study of the whole community or neighborhood. There just is not usually > > > enough information coming from any one family to know what was > affecting > > > them, but studying the whole community will eventually turn up enough > > > information to narrow down what the cause of death in any single year > > might > > > have been. Check local church records, even of churches of a different > > > denomination than your subjects had. History of the community is also > > > important to try to learn about. > > > > > > If you find clusters of burials in the local church records all > happening > > > in the same year or season, then these families may provide clues about > > > your own. Example here: in a certain town in South Jersey in a certain > > > year, people were happily fishing for oysters. These were sold to > hotels > > > and resorts locally, and alsp shipped to places such as New York and > > > Philadelphia. But what they did with the oysters they caught was to > keep > > > then underwater (living, as they need to be) in cages, in the tidewater > > > creeks near where the oystermen lived. But tide runs both ways, and a > > > stream at high tide can access groundwater or runoff from someone's > well. > > > If this well was contaminated by a communicable and deably disease, > then > > > anyone later eating these oysters (these were often eaten raw) was > > > susceptible to the same disease organism that was coming from one > single > > > well. > > > > > > Liz J > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 July 2014 18:36, Susan Wheary via < > > lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > The same thing happened with two of mine in 1772; in this case father > and > > >> son passed away within a week of each other. Both of their wills were > > >> written in April of that year, and both were probated in May. They > could > > >> have been victims of an epidemic; the length of time between the > writing > > >> of > > >> the wills and the dates of probate would seem to mitigate against it > > >> having > > >> been an accident that involved both of them. > > >> > > >> Susan in Missouri > > >> > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > -- > https://sites.google.com/site/genealogybykari/ > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just read an article today from the Easton Star-Democrat that talked about people getting sick from eating raw shellfish, and then there was another article on there from 2010 with the same topic, so it was evidently not isolated to the early years of the state. On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, E Johnson via < lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I guess I should have included more of the rest of the story about the > oysters being stored in a stream. Shortly after these were stored in the > stream waiting for shipment, a lagge number of them were sent to a local > hotel where a big banquet was scheduled by a local bigwhig. The banquet > consisted of several courses, one of which was oysters on the half shell, > then a trendy kind of upsacle appetizer marketed to a certain class of > customers. There were other choices of appetizer for this course, so not > everyone attending the banquet ate the ysters. But of those who did eat the > oyster appetizer, many did get sick to varying degrees. I don't recall > right now if any deaths were reported, but much misery among the > party-goers made the newspapers. > > The less-upscale folks tended to make oyster stew from oysters fresh from > the sea that their husbands, sons, fathers and brothers brought home. These > oysters were cooked, which would disable any bacteria or other germs. In > any case, seafood fresh from the sea (in those days) tended to be very > clean. > > A Pre-PS: don't let this tale scare you away from oysters on the half > shell. Sanitation and storage methods have improved in the last 100 years, > since we can make ce and we have electically--powered refrigerators and > freezers. Inspection is being done, when 100+ years ago, that may not have > been the case. There are other diseases to watch out for these days, but > luckily the nastiest ones that fly in on airplane flights are not likely to > be transmitted to food by restaurant service persons, since restaurant > workers don't tend to be worldwide travellers who visit exotic places. > Meanwhile, enjoy your oysters. > > Liz J > > > Liz J > > > On 16 July 2014 20:06, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > Susan's case could have to do with something contagious which was > > repeatedly getting into the groundwater, polluting a family's well, > causing > > some type of dysentery or typhus or typhoid. > > > > If they lived near a port city, and both had business there at the same > > time, then there were various diseases that could have come from anywhere > > in the tropics and affected both father and son. Some diseases were: > > Cholera and Yellow Fever. Both were quite devastating. Philadelphia > > (Pennsylvania), another major US port, had two epidemics of Yellow fever > in > > the 1790's. > > > > Or it could have been some other disease that was recurring in the > > community. Smallpox is also a possibility, as is Malaria or tertian ague. > > > > Or, it could be a complete coincidence, or some combination of the above. > > > > Tuberculosis did also run in families, and also was (is) contagious. > > People cough a lot & etc. But this disease usually took longer to develop > > and to die from (it's chronic, not acute). > > > > Figuring out what killed persons close to the same dates really requires > a > > study of the whole community or neighborhood. There just is not usually > > enough information coming from any one family to know what was affecting > > them, but studying the whole community will eventually turn up enough > > information to narrow down what the cause of death in any single year > might > > have been. Check local church records, even of churches of a different > > denomination than your subjects had. History of the community is also > > important to try to learn about. > > > > If you find clusters of burials in the local church records all happening > > in the same year or season, then these families may provide clues about > > your own. Example here: in a certain town in South Jersey in a certain > > year, people were happily fishing for oysters. These were sold to hotels > > and resorts locally, and alsp shipped to places such as New York and > > Philadelphia. But what they did with the oysters they caught was to keep > > then underwater (living, as they need to be) in cages, in the tidewater > > creeks near where the oystermen lived. But tide runs both ways, and a > > stream at high tide can access groundwater or runoff from someone's well. > > If this well was contaminated by a communicable and deably disease, then > > anyone later eating these oysters (these were often eaten raw) was > > susceptible to the same disease organism that was coming from one single > > well. > > > > Liz J > > > > > > > > On 16 July 2014 18:36, Susan Wheary via < > lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> > > > wrote: > > > > The same thing happened with two of mine in 1772; in this case father and > >> son passed away within a week of each other. Both of their wills were > >> written in April of that year, and both were probated in May. They could > >> have been victims of an epidemic; the length of time between the writing > >> of > >> the wills and the dates of probate would seem to mitigate against it > >> having > >> been an accident that involved both of them. > >> > >> Susan in Missouri > >> > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- https://sites.google.com/site/genealogybykari/

I guess I should have included more of the rest of the story about the oysters being stored in a stream. Shortly after these were stored in the stream waiting for shipment, a lagge number of them were sent to a local hotel where a big banquet was scheduled by a local bigwhig. The banquet consisted of several courses, one of which was oysters on the half shell, then a trendy kind of upsacle appetizer marketed to a certain class of customers. There were other choices of appetizer for this course, so not everyone attending the banquet ate the ysters. But of those who did eat the oyster appetizer, many did get sick to varying degrees. I don't recall right now if any deaths were reported, but much misery among the party-goers made the newspapers. The less-upscale folks tended to make oyster stew from oysters fresh from the sea that their husbands, sons, fathers and brothers brought home. These oysters were cooked, which would disable any bacteria or other germs. In any case, seafood fresh from the sea (in those days) tended to be very clean. A Pre-PS: don't let this tale scare you away from oysters on the half shell. Sanitation and storage methods have improved in the last 100 years, since we can make ce and we have electically--powered refrigerators and freezers. Inspection is being done, when 100+ years ago, that may not have been the case. There are other diseases to watch out for these days, but luckily the nastiest ones that fly in on airplane flights are not likely to be transmitted to food by restaurant service persons, since restaurant workers don't tend to be worldwide travellers who visit exotic places. Meanwhile, enjoy your oysters. Liz J Liz J On 16 July 2014 20:06, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > Susan's case could have to do with something contagious which was > repeatedly getting into the groundwater, polluting a family's well, causing > some type of dysentery or typhus or typhoid. > > If they lived near a port city, and both had business there at the same > time, then there were various diseases that could have come from anywhere > in the tropics and affected both father and son. Some diseases were: > Cholera and Yellow Fever. Both were quite devastating. Philadelphia > (Pennsylvania), another major US port, had two epidemics of Yellow fever in > the 1790's. > > Or it could have been some other disease that was recurring in the > community. Smallpox is also a possibility, as is Malaria or tertian ague. > > Or, it could be a complete coincidence, or some combination of the above. > > Tuberculosis did also run in families, and also was (is) contagious. > People cough a lot & etc. But this disease usually took longer to develop > and to die from (it's chronic, not acute). > > Figuring out what killed persons close to the same dates really requires a > study of the whole community or neighborhood. There just is not usually > enough information coming from any one family to know what was affecting > them, but studying the whole community will eventually turn up enough > information to narrow down what the cause of death in any single year might > have been. Check local church records, even of churches of a different > denomination than your subjects had. History of the community is also > important to try to learn about. > > If you find clusters of burials in the local church records all happening > in the same year or season, then these families may provide clues about > your own. Example here: in a certain town in South Jersey in a certain > year, people were happily fishing for oysters. These were sold to hotels > and resorts locally, and alsp shipped to places such as New York and > Philadelphia. But what they did with the oysters they caught was to keep > then underwater (living, as they need to be) in cages, in the tidewater > creeks near where the oystermen lived. But tide runs both ways, and a > stream at high tide can access groundwater or runoff from someone's well. > If this well was contaminated by a communicable and deably disease, then > anyone later eating these oysters (these were often eaten raw) was > susceptible to the same disease organism that was coming from one single > well. > > Liz J > > > > On 16 July 2014 18:36, Susan Wheary via <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > > The same thing happened with two of mine in 1772; in this case father and >> son passed away within a week of each other. Both of their wills were >> written in April of that year, and both were probated in May. They could >> have been victims of an epidemic; the length of time between the writing >> of >> the wills and the dates of probate would seem to mitigate against it >> having >> been an accident that involved both of them. >> >> Susan in Missouri >> > >

HI AGAIN, WAS YOUR THOMAS ENGLISH BORN 1750? THERE ARE SO MANY WALLERS IN THIS BOOK.... NORAH -----Original Message----- From: Karen Chaney via Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:11 PM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] supplement to Stepney Parish records Thank you for the helpful emails regarding our search for the families of Amey Waller and Thomas English. I have learned that Dryden'ts book , Stepney Parish Records of Somerset, Maryland, only covers certain years of this parish. I was hoping that someone out there might know of a supplemental book to Dryden's that would have more parish records for the 1700's? Thank you so much, Karen *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan's case could have to do with something contagious which was repeatedly getting into the groundwater, polluting a family's well, causing some type of dysentery or typhus or typhoid. If they lived near a port city, and both had business there at the same time, then there were various diseases that could have come from anywhere in the tropics and affected both father and son. Some diseases were: Cholera and Yellow Fever. Both were quite devastating. Philadelphia (Pennsylvania), another major US port, had two epidemics of Yellow fever in the 1790's. Or it could have been some other disease that was recurring in the community. Smallpox is also a possibility, as is Malaria or tertian ague. Or, it could be a complete coincidence, or some combination of the above. Tuberculosis did also run in families, and also was (is) contagious. People cough a lot & etc. But this disease usually took longer to develop and to die from (it's chronic, not acute). Figuring out what killed persons close to the same dates really requires a study of the whole community or neighborhood. There just is not usually enough information coming from any one family to know what was affecting them, but studying the whole community will eventually turn up enough information to narrow down what the cause of death in any single year might have been. Check local church records, even of churches of a different denomination than your subjects had. History of the community is also important to try to learn about. If you find clusters of burials in the local church records all happening in the same year or season, then these families may provide clues about your own. Example here: in a certain town in South Jersey in a certain year, people were happily fishing for oysters. These were sold to hotels and resorts locally, and alsp shipped to places such as New York and Philadelphia. But what they did with the oysters they caught was to keep then underwater (living, as they need to be) in cages, in the tidewater creeks near where the oystermen lived. But tide runs both ways, and a stream at high tide can access groundwater or runoff from someone's well. If this well was contaminated by a communicable and deably disease, then anyone later eating these oysters (these were often eaten raw) was susceptible to the same disease organism that was coming from one single well. Liz J On 16 July 2014 18:36, Susan Wheary via <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: The same thing happened with two of mine in 1772; in this case father and > son passed away within a week of each other. Both of their wills were > written in April of that year, and both were probated in May. They could > have been victims of an epidemic; the length of time between the writing of > the wills and the dates of probate would seem to mitigate against it having > been an accident that involved both of them. > > Susan in Missouri >

The same thing happened with two of mine in 1772; in this case father and son passed away within a week of each other. Both of their wills were written in April of that year, and both were probated in May. They could have been victims of an epidemic; the length of time between the writing of the wills and the dates of probate would seem to mitigate against it having been an accident that involved both of them. Susan in Missouri -----Original Message----- From: lenorah123 via Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:15 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Maryland Epidemic 1790 IT COULD BE FROM A VIRUS OR OTHER CONTAGIOUS BUG BUT I HAVE ALSO FOUND SOMETIMES THE VERY ELDERLY WILL DIE LIKE THAT. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Harris via Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:32 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Maryland Epidemic 1790 I have two relatives who died within 3 days of each other in 1790. Has anyone else had this experience at the same time? *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

IT COULD BE FROM A VIRUS OR OTHER CONTAGIOUS BUG BUT I HAVE ALSO FOUND SOMETIMES THE VERY ELDERLY WILL DIE LIKE THAT. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Harris via Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:32 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Maryland Epidemic 1790 I have two relatives who died within 3 days of each other in 1790. Has anyone else had this experience at the same time? *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI, I HAVE DRYDENS STEPNEY PARISH RECORDS. THE EARLIEST ENTRY IS 1736 AND THE LATEST IS 1889. BUT, DEPENDING ON YOUR RELIGION WHETHER YOUR PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THE RECORDS. I HAVE A LOT OF RELATIVES IN THERE BUT A COUPLE CRUCIAL RECORDS ARE NOT. EITHER SOME OF MY EARLY HASTINGS WERE HEATHENS OR CATHOLIC OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY LIVED ON THE BORDER OF TODAYS DELMAR AND PART OF THAT WAS SOMERSET COUNTY BEFORE THEY REMEASURED THE LINE. IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE BOOK I HAVE I WILL BE GLAD TO DO LOOKUPS.. GOD BLESS, NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: Karen Chaney via Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:11 PM To: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] supplement to Stepney Parish records Thank you for the helpful emails regarding our search for the families of Amey Waller and Thomas English. I have learned that Dryden'ts book , Stepney Parish Records of Somerset, Maryland, only covers certain years of this parish. I was hoping that someone out there might know of a supplemental book to Dryden's that would have more parish records for the 1700's? Thank you so much, Karen *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have two relatives who died within 3 days of each other in 1790. Has anyone else had this experience at the same time?

Thank you for the helpful emails regarding our search for the families of Amey Waller and Thomas English. I have learned that Dryden'ts book , Stepney Parish Records of Somerset, Maryland, only covers certain years of this parish. I was hoping that someone out there might know of a supplemental book to Dryden's that would have more parish records for the 1700's? Thank you so much, Karen

We've been working to find documentation to distinguish Our Amy/Amey Threlkeld Waller and her parents. It seems there are 2 online women named Amy Waller: 1 is born 1720 and the other 1723. One married James English in 1743/1744 in Salisbury. Daughter of a Thomas and Mary Waller. The other Amy Waller was born 1723. She married John Parremore 18 AUG 1744. Daughter of a Mary and Thomas Waller. Does anyone know about these 2 and which one married James English "of Somerset" 10 Feb. 1743/1744? Thank you for your time, Karen

Thank you all! The date on the bond is July 1, 1834, the date of the marriage in a family bible is July 2, 1835. Date of birth of first child, also in family bible is 1836. I had thought that Needles, the cosigner, would be a friend of the groom, Harris. Now I understand that he might be a relative or friend of the bride, Sheppard. Since I could find no close by Needles in Delaware, I should probably check out a Caroline County Maryland census, home of the bride, and see if a Needles shows up there. If there was no discernible end date on the bond, what would be a best guess? This is new information to me. In the past, I have found only bible information with the parents of the bride, the bride, and a date listed there.. This little bit of information makes a 3 hour search in the Archives really exciting. Thanks again, Anne On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Cindy and David Steinhoff < cdsteinhoff@comcast.net> wrote: > Here are a couple of explanations of marriage bonds: > > The first is from the blog "The Legal Genealogist" - > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/25/the-ties-that-bond/ > > This one is an earlier post from this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS/2011-09/1 > 315832892 > > This takes you to the "Laws of the State of Delaware," vol. 10, in Google > books, which supplies text of a revision to the marriage bond law passed in > 1845: http://tinyurl.com/qcm9m69 > > Happy reading! > > Cindy in Maryland > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:33 PM > To: Anne Harris > Cc: lower-delmarva-roots-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Marriage Bonds > > I don't think they actually paid this money. A bond is a pledge. But they > did need to be sure they could pay this amount if need be. I think the > guarantors pledged (legally swore, or if Quakers, "affirmed") to pay this, > in case of a default of one of the parties (somebody changed their mind). > This was a legal precaution against someone changing their mind, leaving > the > second party at a disadvantage. > > Example: if a male inpregnated a woman before becoming engaged (which did > happen as we know), this bond prevented him from running off before doing > "the right thing". If a young woman decides she likes someone else better, > after making this legal engagement (this is probably rather rare), then the > prospective husband (legal fiance) is protected. I don't personally know of > any examples of the second instance. > > Presumaly those posting the bonds knew at least one of the marrying couple, > and were pretty sure that both parties were eligible to marry (not > too-close > related and not already married to someone else, etc), and felt assured > that > the couple seriously did intend to follow through on these legally-binding > records of intention to marry. > > The guarantors probably gave a personal "note"(kind-of like writing a > check) for the amount of the bond to the local or regional authorities, who > would hold it without cashing, and which would have been returned (to be > torn up) after the marriage actually did take place. If the marriage didn't > happen for whatever reason, then the guarantors would have owed this bond > amount, and after the non-marriage was legally noted, they would have been > expected to pay the bond posthaste. > > Hope this helps, > Liz J > > > > > On 12 July 2014 20:52, <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > In the Dover, Delaware Archives I found a card with information giving > > the groom's and bride's name along with a notation about a "bond". > > When I pursued this information, I found on Ancestry.com that the > > groom and another man each paid $100.00 to the state of Delaware.This > > was a lot of money in 1835, something like $5000.00 today. Does > > anyone know anything about they whys and wherefores of a "bond" > > payable to the state for a marriage? > > > > Anne Harris > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Here are a couple of explanations of marriage bonds: The first is from the blog "The Legal Genealogist" - http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/01/25/the-ties-that-bond/ This one is an earlier post from this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS/2011-09/1 315832892 This takes you to the "Laws of the State of Delaware," vol. 10, in Google books, which supplies text of a revision to the marriage bond law passed in 1845: http://tinyurl.com/qcm9m69 Happy reading! Cindy in Maryland -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:33 PM To: Anne Harris Cc: lower-delmarva-roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Marriage Bonds I don't think they actually paid this money. A bond is a pledge. But they did need to be sure they could pay this amount if need be. I think the guarantors pledged (legally swore, or if Quakers, "affirmed") to pay this, in case of a default of one of the parties (somebody changed their mind). This was a legal precaution against someone changing their mind, leaving the second party at a disadvantage. Example: if a male inpregnated a woman before becoming engaged (which did happen as we know), this bond prevented him from running off before doing "the right thing". If a young woman decides she likes someone else better, after making this legal engagement (this is probably rather rare), then the prospective husband (legal fiance) is protected. I don't personally know of any examples of the second instance. Presumaly those posting the bonds knew at least one of the marrying couple, and were pretty sure that both parties were eligible to marry (not too-close related and not already married to someone else, etc), and felt assured that the couple seriously did intend to follow through on these legally-binding records of intention to marry. The guarantors probably gave a personal "note"(kind-of like writing a check) for the amount of the bond to the local or regional authorities, who would hold it without cashing, and which would have been returned (to be torn up) after the marriage actually did take place. If the marriage didn't happen for whatever reason, then the guarantors would have owed this bond amount, and after the non-marriage was legally noted, they would have been expected to pay the bond posthaste. Hope this helps, Liz J On 12 July 2014 20:52, <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > In the Dover, Delaware Archives I found a card with information giving > the groom's and bride's name along with a notation about a "bond". > When I pursued this information, I found on Ancestry.com that the > groom and another man each paid $100.00 to the state of Delaware.This > was a lot of money in 1835, something like $5000.00 today. Does > anyone know anything about they whys and wherefores of a "bond" > payable to the state for a marriage? > > Anne Harris > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message