I am asking about a reference in an 1809 deed (Somerset County) to a "Tanks Creek". Is this the same as today's "Tony Tanks Creek?" Roy C Pollitt
Yes, thanks. I've checked Miles Files and have combed through records in Accomack and Snow Hill. I'm missing a couple of wives, but do have the male line from John b. abt 1635-37 to Elma Drummond b. 1856. Missing proof that Parker Drummmond, only son of Burrell Drummond d. 1791, is the father of John Townsend Drummond b. 1820 KY, Elma's father. Norah, I'll contact you via email about the Drummonds. Eleanor ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 04:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: Traycie West Pinkoski <mom2rjp3@netscape.net> Subject: Re: [LDR] LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 162 To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CF8E0482B9FB19-1A50-36FB2@webmail-d166.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There are several mentions of a John Drummond, Quaker, in "Coe Families of Maryland and Virginia" by Carl Robert Coe. I can send you the text and the source information if you don't have access to the books (two volumes). I have it on DVD so it's not a problem to cut and paste. Send me your email addy if you want the info. I also see a Captain John Drummond 1637-1713 link in the Miles Files but my internet is acting up (bad weather here today) so I can't check it for you. Some of the links for getting to the Miles Files that you get from a google search seem to be broken. I've had luck getting to it directly through the library web site itself. There is also a link for Tilghman also but I don't see a Ruark on the list. I hope this helps...... ~Traycie Save Fort Monroe - Virginia History, American Heritage "And though she be but little, she is fierce." ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 05:04:56 -0500 (EST) From: EMSCRS@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <44465.3fb6875b.3dd0d247@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Have you checked the Miles Files? Elizabeth In a message dated 11/10/2012 8:52:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, erayl36@att.net writes: Does anyone know anything about these families pre-1820 or link to them? Drummond, Tilghman, Ruark I'm especially interested in the Drummond line from John Drummond b. abt 1635-37 Accomack. Eleanor ________________________________ From: Eleanor Rayl <erayl36@att.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: [LDR] Tilghman I have a Tilghman in my Drummond family files. Elizabeth Drummond, daughter of Stephen Drummond b. 1720. married Elijah Tilghman, son of Aaron Elisha Tilghmn b. 1706 and Mary Martha Gibbons. They were in Worcester Co in 1799 (land records), selling all rights of Turner's Choice to Elizabeth's brother-in-law, Elgett (Elgate) Ruark. Elgate was married to Margaret Drummond. Does anyone know anything about these families? Eleanor ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:53:13 -0500 From: <lenorah123@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B90F01663BA14D6BBC072C25190F9574@NorahHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original HI ELEANOR, I HAVE ELGATE RUARK IN MY TREE. EZEKIAL RUARK HAD SON ELGATE WHO IN TURN HAD SON ELGATE. BORN 1779. WHICH MARRIED MARGARET DRUMMOND? THE NAME ELGATE CAME FROM EZEKIAL'S GRANDMOTHER WAS AN ELGATE AND MARRIED MOSES DRISKELL. THEIR DAUGHTER MARY DRISKELL MARRIED JOHN RUARK AND HAD EZEKIAL WHO MD MARY ESKAM. I AM DESCENDED FROM EZEKIAL'S SON JOHN RUARK THE BROTHER OF ELGATE SENIOR. WOW, WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE IF YOU COULD HELP ME STRAIGHTEN OUT WHERE THE DRUMMOND COME IN I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I ALSO HAVE TURNERS IN MY FAMILY . SHE MARRIED INTO THE HOSIERS WHICH ARE ALSO MY FAMILY. NOT A BIG GENE POOL IN THOSE DAYS, I GUESS. I DO HAVE INFO ON RUARKS AND ELGATES IF THAT'S A HELP. GOD BLESS, NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS
Eleanor, Are your Ruarks from Hoopers Island? I have information on them if they are. Karen Sent from my iPad On Nov 11, 2012, at 3:53 PM, <lenorah123@comcast.net> wrote: > HI ELEANOR, > I HAVE ELGATE RUARK IN MY TREE. EZEKIAL RUARK HAD SON ELGATE WHO IN TURN > HAD SON ELGATE. BORN 1779. WHICH MARRIED MARGARET DRUMMOND? THE NAME > ELGATE CAME FROM EZEKIAL'S GRANDMOTHER WAS AN ELGATE AND MARRIED MOSES > DRISKELL. THEIR DAUGHTER MARY DRISKELL MARRIED JOHN RUARK AND HAD EZEKIAL > WHO MD MARY ESKAM. I AM DESCENDED FROM EZEKIAL'S SON JOHN RUARK THE BROTHER > OF ELGATE SENIOR. WOW, WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE IF YOU COULD HELP > ME STRAIGHTEN OUT WHERE THE DRUMMOND COME IN I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I ALSO > HAVE TURNERS IN MY FAMILY . SHE MARRIED INTO THE HOSIERS WHICH ARE ALSO MY > FAMILY. NOT A BIG GENE POOL IN THOSE DAYS, I GUESS. I DO HAVE INFO ON > RUARKS AND ELGATES IF THAT'S A HELP. > GOD BLESS, > NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eleanor Rayl > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:50 PM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman > > Does anyone know anything about these families pre-1820 or link to them? > Drummond, Tilghman, Ruark > > I'm especially interested in the Drummond line from John Drummond b. abt > 1635-37 > Accomack. > > > Eleanor > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com" > <lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com> > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, November 10, 2012 3:14:28 AM > Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tilghman (Miller's Choice) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:02:30 -0800 (PST) > From: "Miller's Choice" <milchoice@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman > To: "lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com" > <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1352469750.98834.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > What is the question, Eleanor? > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eleanor Rayl <erayl36@att.net> > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:31 PM > Subject: [LDR] Tilghman > > I have a Tilghman in my Drummond family files. Elizabeth Drummond, daughter > of > Stephen Drummond b. 1720. married Elijah Tilghman, son of Aaron Elisha > Tilghmn > b. 1706 and Mary Martha Gibbons. They were in Worcester Co in 1799 (land > records), selling all rights of Turner's Choice to Elizabeth's > brother-in-law, > Elgett (Elgate) Ruark. Elgate was married to Margaret Drummond. > Does anyone know anything about these families? > > Eleanor > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 > **************************************************** > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
HI ELEANOR, I HAVE ELGATE RUARK IN MY TREE. EZEKIAL RUARK HAD SON ELGATE WHO IN TURN HAD SON ELGATE. BORN 1779. WHICH MARRIED MARGARET DRUMMOND? THE NAME ELGATE CAME FROM EZEKIAL'S GRANDMOTHER WAS AN ELGATE AND MARRIED MOSES DRISKELL. THEIR DAUGHTER MARY DRISKELL MARRIED JOHN RUARK AND HAD EZEKIAL WHO MD MARY ESKAM. I AM DESCENDED FROM EZEKIAL'S SON JOHN RUARK THE BROTHER OF ELGATE SENIOR. WOW, WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE IF YOU COULD HELP ME STRAIGHTEN OUT WHERE THE DRUMMOND COME IN I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I ALSO HAVE TURNERS IN MY FAMILY . SHE MARRIED INTO THE HOSIERS WHICH ARE ALSO MY FAMILY. NOT A BIG GENE POOL IN THOSE DAYS, I GUESS. I DO HAVE INFO ON RUARKS AND ELGATES IF THAT'S A HELP. GOD BLESS, NORAH HASTINGS COLLINS -----Original Message----- From: Eleanor Rayl Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:50 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman Does anyone know anything about these families pre-1820 or link to them? Drummond, Tilghman, Ruark I'm especially interested in the Drummond line from John Drummond b. abt 1635-37 Accomack. Eleanor ________________________________ From: "lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com" <lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, November 10, 2012 3:14:28 AM Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tilghman (Miller's Choice) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Miller's Choice" <milchoice@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman To: "lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com" <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1352469750.98834.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is the question, Eleanor? ________________________________ From: Eleanor Rayl <erayl36@att.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: [LDR] Tilghman I have a Tilghman in my Drummond family files. Elizabeth Drummond, daughter of Stephen Drummond b. 1720. married Elijah Tilghman, son of Aaron Elisha Tilghmn b. 1706 and Mary Martha Gibbons. They were in Worcester Co in 1799 (land records), selling all rights of Turner's Choice to Elizabeth's brother-in-law, Elgett (Elgate) Ruark. Elgate was married to Margaret Drummond. Does anyone know anything about these families? Eleanor ------------------------------ To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 **************************************************** *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Have you checked the Miles Files? Elizabeth In a message dated 11/10/2012 8:52:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, erayl36@att.net writes: Does anyone know anything about these families pre-1820 or link to them? Drummond, Tilghman, Ruark I'm especially interested in the Drummond line from John Drummond b. abt 1635-37 Accomack. Eleanor ________________________________ From: "lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com" <lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, November 10, 2012 3:14:28 AM Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tilghman (Miller's Choice) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Miller's Choice" <milchoice@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman To: "lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com" <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1352469750.98834.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is the question, Eleanor? ________________________________ From: Eleanor Rayl <erayl36@att.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: [LDR] Tilghman I have a Tilghman in my Drummond family files. Elizabeth Drummond, daughter of Stephen Drummond b. 1720. married Elijah Tilghman, son of Aaron Elisha Tilghmn b. 1706 and Mary Martha Gibbons. They were in Worcester Co in 1799 (land records), selling all rights of Turner's Choice to Elizabeth's brother-in-law, Elgett (Elgate) Ruark. Elgate was married to Margaret Drummond. Does anyone know anything about these families? Eleanor ------------------------------ To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 **************************************************** *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
There are several mentions of a John Drummond, Quaker, in "Coe Families of Maryland and Virginia" by Carl Robert Coe. I can send you the text and the source information if you don't have access to the books (two volumes). I have it on DVD so it's not a problem to cut and paste. Send me your email addy if you want the info. I also see a Captain John Drummond 1637-1713 link in the Miles Files but my internet is acting up (bad weather here today) so I can't check it for you. Some of the links for getting to the Miles Files that you get from a google search seem to be broken. I've had luck getting to it directly through the library web site itself. There is also a link for Tilghman also but I don't see a Ruark on the list. I hope this helps...... ~Traycie Save Fort Monroe - Virginia History, American Heritage "And though she be but little, she is fierce."
Does anyone know anything about these families pre-1820 or link to them? Drummond, Tilghman, Ruark I'm especially interested in the Drummond line from John Drummond b. abt 1635-37 Accomack. Eleanor ________________________________ From: "lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com" <lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, November 10, 2012 3:14:28 AM Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tilghman (Miller's Choice) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Miller's Choice" <milchoice@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LDR] Tilghman To: "lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com" <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1352469750.98834.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is the question, Eleanor? ________________________________ From: Eleanor Rayl <erayl36@att.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: [LDR] Tilghman I have a Tilghman in my Drummond family files. Elizabeth Drummond, daughter of Stephen Drummond b. 1720. married Elijah Tilghman, son of Aaron Elisha Tilghmn b. 1706 and Mary Martha Gibbons. They were in Worcester Co in 1799 (land records), selling all rights of Turner's Choice to Elizabeth's brother-in-law, Elgett (Elgate) Ruark. Elgate was married to Margaret Drummond. Does anyone know anything about these families? Eleanor ------------------------------ To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 161 ****************************************************
I have seen reference to a 1798 Caroline Co. tax list in Wright Family genealogies, but I cannot find any published source for the 1798 list or any listing for Caroline Co. tax lists in the 1790s in the LDS catalog. Does anyone have access to the 1798 tax list or other lists around this time? I am researching Anderson-Jackson lines in area. Thanks, Kay Staub
What is the question, Eleanor? ________________________________ From: Eleanor Rayl <erayl36@att.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: [LDR] Tilghman I have a Tilghman in my Drummond family files. Elizabeth Drummond, daughter of Stephen Drummond b. 1720. married Elijah Tilghman, son of Aaron Elisha Tilghmn b. 1706 and Mary Martha Gibbons. They were in Worcester Co in 1799 (land records), selling all rights of Turner's Choice to Elizabeth's brother-in-law, Elgett (Elgate) Ruark. Elgate was married to Margaret Drummond. Does anyone know anything about these families? Eleanor
I have a Tilghman in my Drummond family files. Elizabeth Drummond, daughter of Stephen Drummond b. 1720. married Elijah Tilghman, son of Aaron Elisha Tilghmn b. 1706 and Mary Martha Gibbons. They were in Worcester Co in 1799 (land records), selling all rights of Turner's Choice to Elizabeth's brother-in-law, Elgett (Elgate) Ruark. Elgate was married to Margaret Drummond. Does anyone know anything about these families? Eleanor ________________________________ From: "lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com" <lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, November 8, 2012 2:05:27 AM Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:31:35 -0500 From: "Nancy Lindroth" <nlindroth@wctel.net> Subject: [LDR] John Elwood West, To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <45268FEF00234F2B9C96694E1E0F312E@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My grandfather (Clarence Mobray TILGHMAN) and his brother (Hillary TILGHMAN) and perhaps other siblings left Snow Hill MD and ended up in Burlington County NJ during the same time period you are working in. My TILGHMAN's were in Springfield Twp, Burlington County. Do you know what township in Burlington Co your "WEST" was in? Did you find him in the WWI draft registrations? Nancy L Augusta, GA
I think your George W Parsons is listed as Wm G Parsons in the 1880 census In a message dated 11/7/2012 9:37:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizdfamily@comcast.net writes: Searching 1880 census on Ancestry.com for all John Wests with birth date plus or minus 5 years of 1867 and born in Maryland I get these results. Sorry if hard to read (13 results) John T. West Pittsburg, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John W. West Painter D.,Nancy E. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1871 Maryland Son John B. West Minous B.,Hetty A. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1873 Maryland Son John E. West Jacob W.,Mary E. Parsons, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West North East, Cecil, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John West William, Lizzie Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1870 Maryland Son John L. West Mary Anna Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Grandson John West Clement, Mary A. Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Son John West Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1859 Maryland Brother-in-law John R. West John J.,Elizabeth New Windsor, Carroll, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West District 3, Howard, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland John T. West Thomas J.,Caharan M. Church Hill, Queen Anne´S, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland Son John West Joseph, Alice Martinsburg, Berkeley, West Virginia abt 186 ----- Original Message ----- From: Miller's Choice <milchoice@yahoo.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:20:56 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Hi Traycie, First let me commend you on a well-written request for information. Too many ask for help and provide so little info it is impossible to help them. I looked at the 1870 census that you had mentioned and it is Geo W. Parsons, not Geoff Parsons, with whom John H. West aged 2 resided. Also it is Hettie Brumbly, not Brimbly (or Primbly). I was sure I would know the Parsons and maybe that would be a clue. He appears to be the son of Jehu Parsons, because one of Jehu's other sons is on the same census page. (George is a popular name in the Parsons family.) George W. inherited 800 acres of the Parsons farm and I believe part of this is where Parsons Cemetery now is in Salisbury because George's mother Esther requested in her 1873 will she wanted to "be plainly but decently interred in the old burying ground on the farm now owned by my son George". (Jehu, Esther and George W. are all interred in Parsons Cemetery.) George never married and there is no Thomas Parsons closely related in that specific branch of the Parsons family but apparently Thomas Parsons of Jonathan knew the family, as in his 1874 will he appointed George W.'s brother as executor and left a bequest of property in Salisbury near the mill pond of George W. Parsons. All that said, if the John H. West is the one for whom you are looking, with whom he lived is not a clue, thus far Age 2 is awfully young to be an apprentice, but there might be some documentation in the Wicomico Orphans Court records if he was formally bound out. I tried to see if John H. West was still with George W. Parsons in the 1880 census but I cannot find George and I know he is right in Salisbury as he didn't die until 1888. I, too, use Heritage Quest, and often persons I know are "right there" do not come up in the index, usually because the transcriber has misread the name. I usually find my person with a page by page search or just looking at all the names under the surname, but you will understand if I am unwilling to go through the page by page for what may be a wild goose chase. Or I ask a friend with a subscription to Ancestry.com to look for it and send me the page, which is what I suggest you do or sign up for the "free trial". Since the Heritage Quest search for a John West of the appropriate age range only yielded two possibilities, one in Cecil County and the other in Wicomico, I would take the ancestry.com route to see if that search found any other possibilities in other counties in Maryland. <Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? NO. Should I check slave schedules? NO--John born too late. Bastardy bond records? YES--in Orphans Court records. Native American records? THERE AREN'T ANY.> I've done what I can in this quest. Best of luck to you, Traycie. Becky ________________________________ From: "EMSCRS@aol.com" <EMSCRS@aol.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Cancel the Civil War orphan notion - it ended roughly 2 years before the most consistent birth year. Interesting dilemma, and I will see if I can find something more useful - have you looked in Delaware? Lots of people (mine particularly) seem to have commuted back and forth on a daily basis. Elizabeth In a message dated 11/5/2012 3:12:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mom2rjp3@netscape.net writes: Hello fellow Delmarva West researchers! I'm hoping someone has a hint or idea that may help me get over a brick wall that has been plaguing me for a very long time. My great-grandfather, John Elwood West, was born circa 1867, depending on which document you are reviewing at the time, in Maryland. In the 1900 census in Burlington County, New Jersey, his DOB is listed as May 1872, but he was only a hired farm hand and it was most likely reported wrong by whomever was speaking to the census taker. On his marriage license application, submitted in Philadelphia in November 1900, (my great-grandmother, Katie Keenan) he lists his DOB as March 1867 and born in Maryland. In the 1910 through 1930 census from Burlington County, New Jersey, he always states he was born in Maryland and his parents were also born in Maryland. The estimated DOB based on age reported varies from 1865 to 1867. In the 1920 census, he reports his birthday consistent with his marriage application March 1867. His death certificate lists his DOB as March 14, 1865 and POB as Maryland, as reported by his son. Parents are listed as unknown. I know he went north and was in New Jersey possibly as early as 1897 because he and my ggrandmother had a child (possibly twins based on family legend) out of wedlock late in 1898 (forgive me, Aunt Kate). My grandmother told me John was a "taken child", which she described as being loaned out to a neighboring farm - labor in exchange for food and care. Sounds like an informal indentured servitude to me. The wonderful people at the Cecil County Historical Society confirmed that it was not unusual to send children to help on neighboring farms during this era. With all this, I've searched the entire 1870 census for John West's under the age of 10. There are only 19 total and only two born in Maryland (thanks Heritage Quest) and living in Maryland, and neither of these two are living with anyone named West. One in Cecil County, a Caucasian boy, age 9, living with the Mendenhall family and one in Wicomoco County, a mulatto boy, age 2, living with Thomas and Geoff Parsons and housekeeper Hettie Brimbly (or Primbly). The Cecil County John West shows up in the 1880 census living still in Cecil County with the Warrington family as an 18 year old farm hand. I haven't had any luck finding the Wicomico County John West in the 1880 census, but that could be for a number of reasons. Given the year of his birth (whenever it actually was), I've wondered if John was possibly a Civil War orphan. I'm taking a closer look at West families in both counties to see if I can find a family connection between Wests and either Parsons or Mendenhalls. Meanwhile, does anyone have any idea where I can go from here based on what I know? Even an elimination of a John West is a valuable step forward. Also curious as to what exactly mulatto meant to an 1870 census taker. Obviously, it means someone with a mixed heritage, but those kinds of labels change with the prevailing prejudices of the day. Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? Should I check slave schedules? Bastardy bond records? Native American records? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or ideas. Of course, if anyone has a long lost John Elwood West in their family tree that they have been itchin' to connect somewhere, that would be terrific also. ~ Traycie *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Thanks for looking!! The Wm G you suggested is a brother of the George W. (1839-1888) about whom the discussion ensued. William (1821-1897) is buried in the Parsons Cemetery along with most of the rest of the family for a couple of generations. ________________________________ From: "Bluelightning75@aol.com" <Bluelightning75@aol.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: [LDR] George Parsons 1880 census I think your George W Parsons is listed as Wm G Parsons in the 1880 census In a message dated 11/7/2012 9:37:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizdfamily@comcast.net writes: Searching 1880 census on Ancestry.com for all John Wests with birth date plus or minus 5 years of 1867 and born in Maryland I get these results. Sorry if hard to read (13 results) John T. West Pittsburg, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John W. West Painter D.,Nancy E. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1871 Maryland Son John B. West Minous B.,Hetty A. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1873 Maryland Son John E. West Jacob W.,Mary E. Parsons, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West North East, Cecil, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John West William, Lizzie Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1870 Maryland Son John L. West Mary Anna Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Grandson John West Clement, Mary A. Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Son John West Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1859 Maryland Brother-in-law John R. West John J.,Elizabeth New Windsor, Carroll, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West District 3, Howard, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland John T. West Thomas J.,Caharan M. Church Hill, Queen Anne´S, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland Son John West Joseph, Alice Martinsburg, Berkeley, West Virginia abt 186 ----- Original Message ----- From: Miller's Choice <milchoice@yahoo.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:20:56 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Hi Traycie, First let me commend you on a well-written request for information. Too many ask for help and provide so little info it is impossible to help them. I looked at the 1870 census that you had mentioned and it is Geo W. Parsons, not Geoff Parsons, with whom John H. West aged 2 resided. Also it is Hettie Brumbly, not Brimbly (or Primbly). I was sure I would know the Parsons and maybe that would be a clue. He appears to be the son of Jehu Parsons, because one of Jehu's other sons is on the same census page. (George is a popular name in the Parsons family.) George W. inherited 800 acres of the Parsons farm and I believe part of this is where Parsons Cemetery now is in Salisbury because George's mother Esther requested in her 1873 will she wanted to "be plainly but decently interred in the old burying ground on the farm now owned by my son George". (Jehu, Esther and George W. are all interred in Parsons Cemetery.) George never married and there is no Thomas Parsons closely related in that specific branch of the Parsons family but apparently Thomas Parsons of Jonathan knew the family, as in his 1874 will he appointed George W.'s brother as executor and left a bequest of property in Salisbury near the mill pond of George W. Parsons. All that said, if the John H. West is the one for whom you are looking, with whom he lived is not a clue, thus far Age 2 is awfully young to be an apprentice, but there might be some documentation in the Wicomico Orphans Court records if he was formally bound out. I tried to see if John H. West was still with George W. Parsons in the 1880 census but I cannot find George and I know he is right in Salisbury as he didn't die until 1888. I, too, use Heritage Quest, and often persons I know are "right there" do not come up in the index, usually because the transcriber has misread the name. I usually find my person with a page by page search or just looking at all the names under the surname, but you will understand if I am unwilling to go through the page by page for what may be a wild goose chase. Or I ask a friend with a subscription to Ancestry.com to look for it and send me the page, which is what I suggest you do or sign up for the "free trial". Since the Heritage Quest search for a John West of the appropriate age range only yielded two possibilities, one in Cecil County and the other in Wicomico, I would take the ancestry.com route to see if that search found any other possibilities in other counties in Maryland. <Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? NO. Should I check slave schedules? NO--John born too late. Bastardy bond records? YES--in Orphans Court records. Native American records? THERE AREN'T ANY.> I've done what I can in this quest. Best of luck to you, Traycie. Becky ________________________________ From: "EMSCRS@aol.com" <EMSCRS@aol.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Cancel the Civil War orphan notion - it ended roughly 2 years before the most consistent birth year. Interesting dilemma, and I will see if I can find something more useful - have you looked in Delaware? Lots of people (mine particularly) seem to have commuted back and forth on a daily basis. Elizabeth In a message dated 11/5/2012 3:12:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mom2rjp3@netscape.net writes: Hello fellow Delmarva West researchers! I'm hoping someone has a hint or idea that may help me get over a brick wall that has been plaguing me for a very long time. My great-grandfather, John Elwood West, was born circa 1867, depending on which document you are reviewing at the time, in Maryland. In the 1900 census in Burlington County, New Jersey, his DOB is listed as May 1872, but he was only a hired farm hand and it was most likely reported wrong by whomever was speaking to the census taker. On his marriage license application, submitted in Philadelphia in November 1900, (my great-grandmother, Katie Keenan) he lists his DOB as March 1867 and born in Maryland. In the 1910 through 1930 census from Burlington County, New Jersey, he always states he was born in Maryland and his parents were also born in Maryland. The estimated DOB based on age reported varies from 1865 to 1867. In the 1920 census, he reports his birthday consistent with his marriage application March 1867. His death certificate lists his DOB as March 14, 1865 and POB as Maryland, as reported by his son. Parents are listed as unknown. I know he went north and was in New Jersey possibly as early as 1897 because he and my ggrandmother had a child (possibly twins based on family legend) out of wedlock late in 1898 (forgive me, Aunt Kate). My grandmother told me John was a "taken child", which she described as being loaned out to a neighboring farm - labor in exchange for food and care. Sounds like an informal indentured servitude to me. The wonderful people at the Cecil County Historical Society confirmed that it was not unusual to send children to help on neighboring farms during this era. With all this, I've searched the entire 1870 census for John West's under the age of 10. There are only 19 total and only two born in Maryland (thanks Heritage Quest) and living in Maryland, and neither of these two are living with anyone named West. One in Cecil County, a Caucasian boy, age 9, living with the Mendenhall family and one in Wicomoco County, a mulatto boy, age 2, living with Thomas and Geoff Parsons and housekeeper Hettie Brimbly (or Primbly). The Cecil County John West shows up in the 1880 census living still in Cecil County with the Warrington family as an 18 year old farm hand. I haven't had any luck finding the Wicomico County John West in the 1880 census, but that could be for a number of reasons. Given the year of his birth (whenever it actually was), I've wondered if John was possibly a Civil War orphan. I'm taking a closer look at West families in both counties to see if I can find a family connection between Wests and either Parsons or Mendenhalls. Meanwhile, does anyone have any idea where I can go from here based on what I know? Even an elimination of a John West is a valuable step forward. Also curious as to what exactly mulatto meant to an 1870 census taker. Obviously, it means someone with a mixed heritage, but those kinds of labels change with the prevailing prejudices of the day. Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? Should I check slave schedules? Bastardy bond records? Native American records? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or ideas. Of course, if anyone has a long lost John Elwood West in their family tree that they have been itchin' to connect somewhere, that would be terrific also. ~ Traycie *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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Thanks to Liz for the George W. Parsons listing in 1880 ancestry.com. Heritage Quest did bring him up but because his age was 25 years off, I thought it had to be someone else who I didn't have. Plus he was living in a hotel run by Isaac Ullman, which seemed odd considering he had a large farm maybe a mile from downtown Salisbury. And, his death notice in the Salisbury Advertiser said he lived on the old family homestead outside of Salisbury of about 1,000 acres. Just goes to show you how off the census ages can be. Geo. W. Parsons 65 --should be 41 (1839-1888) son of Jehu & Esther Parsons and uncle to A.F.P. and Jehu T. Parsons; 1870 age 30, farmer A.F. P. Parsons 59 --should be 36--Allison Francis Parsons (1844-1900/10). grandson of Jehu & Esther Parsons; 1870 23 and lived with sister Mary and husband Jehu T. Parsons 50 --should be 31 (1849-1916) brother of A.F.P.; 1870 21, lived with sister Mary and husband George B. Hart So now we know that John H. West aged 2, mulatto, in 1870 who lived in the household of George W. Parsons, is not still with George in 1880 and also that John is not in Worcester, Wicomico or Somerset Counties in 1880. The closest person in age is the John T. West, 18, black in 1880 who is with his presumed brother Handy West. Handy appears to be the son of a Peter West. We might further hypothesize that John T. was farmed out as a toddler (can't find Peter and wife in 1870), thus ending up "apprenticed" with George W. Parsons, and in 1880 he may have been actually around 12 instead of 18. OR John H. and John T. are NOT the same individual as the age variation is 6 years and one is mulatto, the other black. Neither of these discrepancies disturbs me particularly, as remember the outrageous difference in the Parsons above, plus the difference between mulatto and black in 1870 and 1880 would be in the eye and from the perspective of the census taker. ________________________________ From: "lizdfamily@comcast.net" <lizdfamily@comcast.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help HERE'S George Parsons in Salisbury: below also some young Wests Name: Geo. W. Parsons Age: 65 Birth Year: abt 1815 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Salisbury, Wicomico, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Civil Engineer Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View image Household Members: Name Age Isaac Ulman 29 Lena Ulman 25 Joseph Ulman 5 Sadie Ulman 4 Helen Ulman 3 Charley Ulman 1 Geo. C. Hill 36 Jno. H. Long 58 Henry Ulman 21 Louisa Rayfield 22 Jane Davis 25 Perry Parker 27 1880 Census for Somerset county Maryland John E. West Age: 5 Birth Year: abt 1875 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Parsons, Wicomico, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Son Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Jacob W. West Father's Birthplace: Delaware Mother's name: Mary E. West Mother's Birthplace: Delaware Name: John W. West Age: 9 Birth Year: abt 1871 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Son Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Painter D. West Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's name: Nancy E. West Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Name: John B. West Age: 7 Birth Year: abt 1873 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Son Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Minous B. West Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's name: Hetty A. West Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Neighbors: View others on page Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View image Household Members: Name Age Minous B. West 40 Hetty A. West 39 Henry E. West 14 Mary E. West 13 Franklin T. West 12 Ida A. West 10 Rosa E. West 8 John B. West 7 James K. West 5 Robert T. West 3 Madera E. West 2 Jane West 9m Household Members: Name Age Painter D. West 34 Nancy E. West 25 John W. West 9 Alice L. West 7 Franklin D. West 4 Dellia R. West 2 *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello all, First I hope everyone is recovering from Sandy with no major issues. Living in S FL, I know how these storms upset everything. I'm Terry Littleton and I'm the admin of the LITTLETON@rootsweb.com message board and DNA project. I consider myself a pretty decent researcher with great computer skills (systems analyst all my working life) but I'M STUCK and need some local LDM help. Basic problem is I have a James and Martha LITTLETON who appear to be from the Worchester Co, MD area (see details below), were married there about 1823-1824 and had 3 children in MD before 1832 then moved to Ohio where they had 3 more children before arriving in Louisa Co, IA before the 1840 census. I cannot find who the parents of this James might be or any record of their marriage or childrens birth. I cannot find them in OHIO either. To make this more difficult, James and Martha died in IA with no death record (did find their tombstones) before the Civil War and all male children died during the Civil War and were buried where they died so no death records there either and none had children or surviving spouses. There also are letters in James Littletons probate file in IA from a Sally Lewis dated 1858, who was wife of John Lewis. Letters were from Worchester Co, MD and she calles James 'SON' and signs them 'your loving mother until death'. Definitely sounds like she is his mother, BUT she didn't marry John Lewis until after James Littleton was about 19. So I'm guessing she was his mother from a previous marriage to a LITTLETON. In these letters she goes into detail telling James about her Lewis children and those of the Thomas Littleton family. These Lewis and Littleton families all lived next to each other. I have lots of family info on these Worchester Co Littleton families but CANNOT find a Sally that had been married to a Littleton or an unaccounted for James. There is a Sally married to William Littleton but was still married to him when the letters were written. So I'm HOPING maybe someone can find a marriage record for James and Martha that might show her last name, OR birth records for the 3 children born in MD. Many thanks - Terry Littleton Descendants of James Littleton 1 James Littleton b: Abt. 1805 MD d: 19 Nov 1860 Louisa Co, IA .. +Martha ?? b: Abt. 1804 MD m: Bef. 1825 MD? d: 17 Apr 1853 Louisa Co, IA ... 2 Sarah Elizabeth Littleton b: Abt. 1825 MD ....... +John Townsend b: Abt. 1815 DE? m: 23 Jan 1844 Muscatine Co, IA ... 2 George Handy Littleton b: Abt. 1829 Worchester Co, MD ... 2 John W Littleton b: Abt. 1831 MD d: 21 Aug 1862 Fayetteville, AR wounded 12/7/1862 Battle of Prairie Grove - died 11 days later ....... +Angalina Demott b: Abt. 1839 m: 16 Apr 1855 Louisa Co, IA d: 15 Jan 1857 Wapello, Louisa Co, IA ... 2 Thomas Selby Littleton b: Abt. 1836 OH d: 16 Jun 1864 Andersonville Confederate Prison, Georgia ....... +Mary Elizabeth Neville b: Abt. 1830 IA m: 09 Mar 1859 d: Feb 1860 Louisa Co, IA ... 2 William Merrill Littleton, Corp. b: Abt. 1837 OH d: 03 Dec 1863 St Louis, St Louis Co, MO ... 2 Mary W Littleton b: Abt. 1839 OH ....... +Miles Townsend b: Abt. 1825 DE ... 2 Rebecca Littleton b: Abt. 1841 Louisa Co, IA ....... +Francis Owens m: 26 Apr 1856 Louisa Co, IA ... 2 Kendall Littleton b: Abt. 1843 Louisa Co, IA d: 21 Aug 1862 Prairie Grove, AR - died in battle of Prairie Grove ... 2 Permelia S Littleton b: 08 May 1843 Louisa Co, IA d: 08 Mar 1929 Coal Valley, Rock Island Co, IL ....... +John Oliver Vanlaningham b: 08 Feb 1836 IN m: 15 Sep 1858 Rock Island Co, IL d: 19 Jan 1909 Rock Island Co, IL ... 2 Noah Littleton b: 1845 Louisa Co, IA d: 01 Mar 1863 White River, Forsyth, MO
If the marriage was performed in Maryland or Delaware, you may be able to check Barrett's Chapel (the Methodist archives for this area) at http://www.barrattschapel.org/ It is possible also, since no one seems to want to give details....maybe they were not married. Also, just googled the name and among several pages, one was at Ancestry. ( http://records.ancestry.com/Ceecye_Mystel_records.ashx?pid=65364536) If you don't have an account (I currently do not), most libraries have access if you have a library card. Kari Andrew Farnell researching Andrew, Lomax, Fischbach, Appel On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Glenda Strayer <strayergs@gmail.com> wrote: > New Thread- > > I would like to solve a little family puzzle-- Great Aunt by marriage is > totally untraceable until the 1900 Census in Baltimore, MD. > > Her husband Seibert Irving Strayer, our Greatuncle, was founder of Strayer > Business Schools in Baltimore and several other sites in PA. Her maiden > name, from death certificate, info by spouse, in 1929 near Philadelphia, > was Ceecye Mystel (per 1900 census born June 1858 in Maryland ) Seibert's > grand-nephew, Joe Strayer, skirted the issue and didn't seem comfortable > discussing her, but I gained the impression that her name might have been > a "stage name" or perhaps something more reprehensible. Seibert was the son > of a Minister and they had no children. > > I have several times tried to locate a family for her but have not even > found a marriage license to aid in the process. They might have married > either in Maryland or Delaware. On the 1900 census the marriage is said to > be 8 years old. So I am looking for a marriage license application or > similiar, circa 1892, in the Baltimore area as well as thinking that > Seibert's father Daniel Strayer, a Baptist minister, in PA, might have done > the ceremony or equally Seibert's uncle Seibert Mathew Strayer, a > Protestant-Methodist minister of the Maryland conference might have been > involved. > > One of those annoying, niggling "brick walls." Any and all clues and > thoughts are welcome. > Glenda Siverling Strayer > {Strayer/Wootten/Bevins/Myers/Kronmiller} > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
New Thread- I would like to solve a little family puzzle-- Great Aunt by marriage is totally untraceable until the 1900 Census in Baltimore, MD. Her husband Seibert Irving Strayer, our Greatuncle, was founder of Strayer Business Schools in Baltimore and several other sites in PA. Her maiden name, from death certificate, info by spouse, in 1929 near Philadelphia, was Ceecye Mystel (per 1900 census born June 1858 in Maryland ) Seibert's grand-nephew, Joe Strayer, skirted the issue and didn't seem comfortable discussing her, but I gained the impression that her name might have been a "stage name" or perhaps something more reprehensible. Seibert was the son of a Minister and they had no children. I have several times tried to locate a family for her but have not even found a marriage license to aid in the process. They might have married either in Maryland or Delaware. On the 1900 census the marriage is said to be 8 years old. So I am looking for a marriage license application or similiar, circa 1892, in the Baltimore area as well as thinking that Seibert's father Daniel Strayer, a Baptist minister, in PA, might have done the ceremony or equally Seibert's uncle Seibert Mathew Strayer, a Protestant-Methodist minister of the Maryland conference might have been involved. One of those annoying, niggling "brick walls." Any and all clues and thoughts are welcome. Glenda Siverling Strayer {Strayer/Wootten/Bevins/Myers/Kronmiller}
Searching 1880 census on Ancestry.com for all John Wests with birth date plus or minus 5 years of 1867 and born in Maryland I get these results. Sorry if hard to read (13 results) John T. West Pittsburg, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John W. West Painter D.,Nancy E. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1871 Maryland Son John B. West Minous B.,Hetty A. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1873 Maryland Son John E. West Jacob W.,Mary E. Parsons, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West North East, Cecil, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John West William, Lizzie Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1870 Maryland Son John L. West Mary Anna Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Grandson John West Clement, Mary A. Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Son John West Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1859 Maryland Brother-in-law John R. West John J.,Elizabeth New Windsor, Carroll, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West District 3, Howard, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland John T. West Thomas J.,Caharan M. Church Hill, Queen Anne´S, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland Son John West Joseph, Alice Martinsburg, Berkeley, West Virginia abt 186 ----- Original Message ----- From: Miller's Choice <milchoice@yahoo.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:20:56 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Hi Traycie, First let me commend you on a well-written request for information. Too many ask for help and provide so little info it is impossible to help them. I looked at the 1870 census that you had mentioned and it is Geo W. Parsons, not Geoff Parsons, with whom John H. West aged 2 resided. Also it is Hettie Brumbly, not Brimbly (or Primbly). I was sure I would know the Parsons and maybe that would be a clue. He appears to be the son of Jehu Parsons, because one of Jehu's other sons is on the same census page. (George is a popular name in the Parsons family.) George W. inherited 800 acres of the Parsons farm and I believe part of this is where Parsons Cemetery now is in Salisbury because George's mother Esther requested in her 1873 will she wanted to "be plainly but decently interred in the old burying ground on the farm now owned by my son George". (Jehu, Esther and George W. are all interred in Parsons Cemetery.) George never married and there is no Thomas Parsons closely related in that specific branch of the Parsons family but apparently Thomas Parsons of Jonathan knew the family, as in his 1874 will he appointed George W.'s brother as executor and left a bequest of property in Salisbury near the mill pond of George W. Parsons. All that said, if the John H. West is the one for whom you are looking, with whom he lived is not a clue, thus far Age 2 is awfully young to be an apprentice, but there might be some documentation in the Wicomico Orphans Court records if he was formally bound out. I tried to see if John H. West was still with George W. Parsons in the 1880 census but I cannot find George and I know he is right in Salisbury as he didn't die until 1888. I, too, use Heritage Quest, and often persons I know are "right there" do not come up in the index, usually because the transcriber has misread the name. I usually find my person with a page by page search or just looking at all the names under the surname, but you will understand if I am unwilling to go through the page by page for what may be a wild goose chase. Or I ask a friend with a subscription to Ancestry.com to look for it and send me the page, which is what I suggest you do or sign up for the "free trial". Since the Heritage Quest search for a John West of the appropriate age range only yielded two possibilities, one in Cecil County and the other in Wicomico, I would take the ancestry.com route to see if that search found any other possibilities in other counties in Maryland. <Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? NO. Should I check slave schedules? NO--John born too late. Bastardy bond records? YES--in Orphans Court records. Native American records? THERE AREN'T ANY.> I've done what I can in this quest. Best of luck to you, Traycie. Becky ________________________________ From: "EMSCRS@aol.com" <EMSCRS@aol.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Cancel the Civil War orphan notion - it ended roughly 2 years before the most consistent birth year. Interesting dilemma, and I will see if I can find something more useful - have you looked in Delaware? Lots of people (mine particularly) seem to have commuted back and forth on a daily basis. Elizabeth In a message dated 11/5/2012 3:12:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mom2rjp3@netscape.net writes: Hello fellow Delmarva West researchers! I'm hoping someone has a hint or idea that may help me get over a brick wall that has been plaguing me for a very long time. My great-grandfather, John Elwood West, was born circa 1867, depending on which document you are reviewing at the time, in Maryland. In the 1900 census in Burlington County, New Jersey, his DOB is listed as May 1872, but he was only a hired farm hand and it was most likely reported wrong by whomever was speaking to the census taker. On his marriage license application, submitted in Philadelphia in November 1900, (my great-grandmother, Katie Keenan) he lists his DOB as March 1867 and born in Maryland. In the 1910 through 1930 census from Burlington County, New Jersey, he always states he was born in Maryland and his parents were also born in Maryland. The estimated DOB based on age reported varies from 1865 to 1867. In the 1920 census, he reports his birthday consistent with his marriage application March 1867. His death certificate lists his DOB as March 14, 1865 and POB as Maryland, as reported by his son. Parents are listed as unknown. I know he went north and was in New Jersey possibly as early as 1897 because he and my ggrandmother had a child (possibly twins based on family legend) out of wedlock late in 1898 (forgive me, Aunt Kate). My grandmother told me John was a "taken child", which she described as being loaned out to a neighboring farm - labor in exchange for food and care. Sounds like an informal indentured servitude to me. The wonderful people at the Cecil County Historical Society confirmed that it was not unusual to send children to help on neighboring farms during this era. With all this, I've searched the entire 1870 census for John West's under the age of 10. There are only 19 total and only two born in Maryland (thanks Heritage Quest) and living in Maryland, and neither of these two are living with anyone named West. One in Cecil County, a Caucasian boy, age 9, living with the Mendenhall family and one in Wicomoco County, a mulatto boy, age 2, living with Thomas and Geoff Parsons and housekeeper Hettie Brimbly (or Primbly). The Cecil County John West shows up in the 1880 census living still in Cecil County with the Warrington family as an 18 year old farm hand. I haven't had any luck finding the Wicomico County John West in the 1880 census, but that could be for a number of reasons. Given the year of his birth (whenever it actually was), I've wondered if John was possibly a Civil War orphan. I'm taking a closer look at West families in both counties to see if I can find a family connection between Wests and either Parsons or Mendenhalls. Meanwhile, does anyone have any idea where I can go from here based on what I know? Even an elimination of a John West is a valuable step forward. Also curious as to what exactly mulatto meant to an 1870 census taker. Obviously, it means someone with a mixed heritage, but those kinds of labels change with the prevailing prejudices of the day. Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? Should I check slave schedules? Bastardy bond records? Native American records? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or ideas. Of course, if anyone has a long lost John Elwood West in their family tree that they have been itchin' to connect somewhere, that would be terrific also. ~ Traycie *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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HERE'S George Parsons in Salisbury: below also some young Wests Name: Geo. W. Parsons Age: 65 Birth Year: abt 1815 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Salisbury, Wicomico, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Civil Engineer Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View image Household Members: Name Age Isaac Ulman 29 Lena Ulman 25 Joseph Ulman 5 Sadie Ulman 4 Helen Ulman 3 Charley Ulman 1 Geo. C. Hill 36 Geo. W. Parsons 65 A.F. P. Parsons 59 Jehu T. Parsons 50 Jno. H. Long 58 Henry Ulman 21 Louisa Rayfield 22 Jane Davis 25 Perry Parker 27 1880 Census for Somerset county Maryland John E. West Age: 5 Birth Year: abt 1875 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Parsons, Wicomico, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Son Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Jacob W. West Father's Birthplace: Delaware Mother's name: Mary E. West Mother's Birthplace: Delaware Name: John W. West Age: 9 Birth Year: abt 1871 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Son Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Painter D. West Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's name: Nancy E. West Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Name: John B. West Age: 7 Birth Year: abt 1873 Birthplace: Maryland Home in 1880: Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Son Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Minous B. West Father's Birthplace: Maryland Mother's name: Hetty A. West Mother's Birthplace: Maryland Neighbors: View others on page Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View image Household Members: Name Age Minous B. West 40 Hetty A. West 39 Henry E. West 14 Mary E. West 13 Franklin T. West 12 Ida A. West 10 Rosa E. West 8 John B. West 7 James K. West 5 Robert T. West 3 Madera E. West 2 Jane West 9m Household Members: Name Age Painter D. West 34 Nancy E. West 25 John W. West 9 Alice L. West 7 Franklin D. West 4 Dellia R. West 2
Liz was kind to send to us these John West entries from 1880, of which I selected the four from Worcester and Wicomico Counties and looked them up. I "know" John W. and John B. West, so scratch them. John T. West Pittsburg, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John T. 18, black, with Handy West 21, black (1870 Handy West 10 black Pittsburgh #306 at home in hh of Noah Fooks black; 1860 Handy West 1, black Worc. Derrickson Crossroads #2296 hh of Peter West 50, black) in hh of Andrew Selby, black 51 John W. West Painter D.,Nancy E. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1871 Maryland Son d. after 1910; grandson of Minus B. West John B. West Minous B.,Hetty A. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1873 Maryland Son d. after 1920 grandson of Minus B. West John E. West Jacob W [35].,Mary E. [33] Parsons, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son b. MD but parents b. DE - 1870 Jacob & Mary Parsons #99 Wic., no children; 1900 J.W. West 51 b. Mar 1848; Mary 53 b. Jun 1846 mother of 7 children, 6 living with 3 in hh in Pittsburgh #174 Wic Note that John E. b. c1875 to Jacob W. & Mary was not in their household in 1900 and does not appear in the index for Wicomico, Worcester or Somerset Counties. ________________________________ From: "lizdfamily@comcast.net" <lizdfamily@comcast.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Searching 1880 census on Ancestry.com for all John Wests with birth date plus or minus 5 years of 1867 and born in Maryland I get these results. Sorry if hard to read (13 results) John T. West Pittsburg, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John W. West Painter D.,Nancy E. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1871 Maryland Son John B. West Minous B.,Hetty A. Colbourne, Worcester, Maryland abt 1873 Maryland Son John E. West Jacob W.,Mary E. Parsons, Wicomico, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West North East, Cecil, Maryland abt 1862 Maryland John West William, Lizzie Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1870 Maryland Son John L. West Mary Anna Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Grandson John West Clement, Mary A. Marlboro, Prince George´S, Maryland abt 1872 Maryland Son John West Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland abt 1859 Maryland Brother-in-law John R. West John J.,Elizabeth New Windsor, Carroll, Maryland abt 1875 Maryland Son John West District 3, Howard, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland John T. West Thomas J.,Caharan M. Church Hill, Queen Anne´S, Maryland abt 1858 Maryland Son John West Joseph, Alice Martinsburg, Berkeley, West Virginia abt 186
Hi Traycie, First let me commend you on a well-written request for information. Too many ask for help and provide so little info it is impossible to help them. I looked at the 1870 census that you had mentioned and it is Geo W. Parsons, not Geoff Parsons, with whom John H. West aged 2 resided. Also it is Hettie Brumbly, not Brimbly (or Primbly). I was sure I would know the Parsons and maybe that would be a clue. He appears to be the son of Jehu Parsons, because one of Jehu's other sons is on the same census page. (George is a popular name in the Parsons family.) George W. inherited 800 acres of the Parsons farm and I believe part of this is where Parsons Cemetery now is in Salisbury because George's mother Esther requested in her 1873 will she wanted to "be plainly but decently interred in the old burying ground on the farm now owned by my son George". (Jehu, Esther and George W. are all interred in Parsons Cemetery.) George never married and there is no Thomas Parsons closely related in that specific branch of the Parsons family but apparently Thomas Parsons of Jonathan knew the family, as in his 1874 will he appointed George W.'s brother as executor and left a bequest of property in Salisbury near the mill pond of George W. Parsons. All that said, if the John H. West is the one for whom you are looking, with whom he lived is not a clue, thus far Age 2 is awfully young to be an apprentice, but there might be some documentation in the Wicomico Orphans Court records if he was formally bound out. I tried to see if John H. West was still with George W. Parsons in the 1880 census but I cannot find George and I know he is right in Salisbury as he didn't die until 1888. I, too, use Heritage Quest, and often persons I know are "right there" do not come up in the index, usually because the transcriber has misread the name. I usually find my person with a page by page search or just looking at all the names under the surname, but you will understand if I am unwilling to go through the page by page for what may be a wild goose chase. Or I ask a friend with a subscription to Ancestry.com to look for it and send me the page, which is what I suggest you do or sign up for the "free trial". Since the Heritage Quest search for a John West of the appropriate age range only yielded two possibilities, one in Cecil County and the other in Wicomico, I would take the ancestry.com route to see if that search found any other possibilities in other counties in Maryland. <Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? NO. Should I check slave schedules? NO--John born too late. Bastardy bond records? YES--in Orphans Court records. Native American records? THERE AREN'T ANY.> I've done what I can in this quest. Best of luck to you, Traycie. Becky ________________________________ From: "EMSCRS@aol.com" <EMSCRS@aol.com> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] My West brick wall - hoping someone can help Cancel the Civil War orphan notion - it ended roughly 2 years before the most consistent birth year. Interesting dilemma, and I will see if I can find something more useful - have you looked in Delaware? Lots of people (mine particularly) seem to have commuted back and forth on a daily basis. Elizabeth In a message dated 11/5/2012 3:12:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mom2rjp3@netscape.net writes: Hello fellow Delmarva West researchers! I'm hoping someone has a hint or idea that may help me get over a brick wall that has been plaguing me for a very long time. My great-grandfather, John Elwood West, was born circa 1867, depending on which document you are reviewing at the time, in Maryland. In the 1900 census in Burlington County, New Jersey, his DOB is listed as May 1872, but he was only a hired farm hand and it was most likely reported wrong by whomever was speaking to the census taker. On his marriage license application, submitted in Philadelphia in November 1900, (my great-grandmother, Katie Keenan) he lists his DOB as March 1867 and born in Maryland. In the 1910 through 1930 census from Burlington County, New Jersey, he always states he was born in Maryland and his parents were also born in Maryland. The estimated DOB based on age reported varies from 1865 to 1867. In the 1920 census, he reports his birthday consistent with his marriage application March 1867. His death certificate lists his DOB as March 14, 1865 and POB as Maryland, as reported by his son. Parents are listed as unknown. I know he went north and was in New Jersey possibly as early as 1897 because he and my ggrandmother had a child (possibly twins based on family legend) out of wedlock late in 1898 (forgive me, Aunt Kate). My grandmother told me John was a "taken child", which she described as being loaned out to a neighboring farm - labor in exchange for food and care. Sounds like an informal indentured servitude to me. The wonderful people at the Cecil County Historical Society confirmed that it was not unusual to send children to help on neighboring farms during this era. With all this, I've searched the entire 1870 census for John West's under the age of 10. There are only 19 total and only two born in Maryland (thanks Heritage Quest) and living in Maryland, and neither of these two are living with anyone named West. One in Cecil County, a Caucasian boy, age 9, living with the Mendenhall family and one in Wicomoco County, a mulatto boy, age 2, living with Thomas and Geoff Parsons and housekeeper Hettie Brimbly (or Primbly). The Cecil County John West shows up in the 1880 census living still in Cecil County with the Warrington family as an 18 year old farm hand. I haven't had any luck finding the Wicomico County John West in the 1880 census, but that could be for a number of reasons. Given the year of his birth (whenever it actually was), I've wondered if John was possibly a Civil War orphan. I'm taking a closer look at West families in both counties to see if I can find a family connection between Wests and either Parsons or Mendenhalls. Meanwhile, does anyone have any idea where I can go from here based on what I know? Even an elimination of a John West is a valuable step forward. Also curious as to what exactly mulatto meant to an 1870 census taker. Obviously, it means someone with a mixed heritage, but those kinds of labels change with the prevailing prejudices of the day. Would there be special records for someone of mixed parentage? Should I check slave schedules? Bastardy bond records? Native American records? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or ideas. Of course, if anyone has a long lost John Elwood West in their family tree that they have been itchin' to connect somewhere, that would be terrific also. ~ Traycie *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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