Great page, thanks, Ruth. I want to add one more comment to your comments, and that is 40 years ago, in many court houses, where many of the records were housed before sending them off to the libraries and archives, a researcher could browse at will and read at will anything and everything they had. There was never a consideration of theft of personal belongings left at the table or at one's side while buried in another time. After the genealogy craze started before the bicentennial, all that changed. It has been amazing. Jeanne Ruth wrote: > http://www.earlyamerica.com/ > > This is a most interesting site that you may enjoy visiting---and bookmarking. Be sure to > try out some of the things noted on the left of the homepage. > Ruth > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

However, a cheaper way to go than all of the lockers would be a lifesize picture of the crucifixion of the last person who marred a book. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Jay! I'm all for that! Also, the display of a bull whip or cat o'nine tails might serve a salutary function...., especially if the staff were trained in their use! That would be for minor offenses, of course. Ruth

http://www.earlyamerica.com/ This is a most interesting site that you may enjoy visiting---and bookmarking. Be sure to try out some of the things noted on the left of the homepage. Ruth

Ruth, However, a cheaper way to go than all of the lockers would be a lifesize picture of the crucifixion of the last person who marred a book. Jay ----- Original Message ---- From: Ruth <elmag@netamumail.com> To: LowER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:49:43 AM Subject: [LDR] Libraries and need for lockers, Smith & Baker BroadCreekHundred, Sx, DE Libraries are simply trying to protect their resources when they don't allow you pens, bags, etc.  A good 30 years ago libraries were having trouble with people razor-blading pages from reference books, etc.  Some think nothing of marking them up with pen, often obscuring entries others can no longer read.  Even the LDS library in Santa Monica does this---and the reason is because people also....um.....STEAL materials.  Objectionable? Not if you look at it properly (and fairly!) Pencil is a pain; slow and easily smears, etc.  Some libraries will allow a lap-top, and by all means, take a supply of copy money with you---their petty cash often won't support many people asking for it, so their only source of coin replenishment is to ....rob the pop machine....er...copy machine!    Anyone can have an off day now and then; all of us do.  But consistently rude or impatient staff should be dealt with by the administration. (So, btw, should consistently rude and disagreeable patrons!)  If it's a volunteer, there are likely policies in place, and volunteers are just that.  Please, thank you, if you have time, etc are all phrases becoming less well used---it behooves us to remember to use them, along with patience and an agreeable tone of voice!  A little politeness and appreciation can do a lot for everyone, including ourselves!  Now.  Anyone have Bakers or Smiths from Sussex Co, De in the mid & late 1700s, Broad Creek Hundred?  Thanks!  Ruth  *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have tried to take a small snapshot of Dorchester County by providing the contents of certain types of records on my "in progress" East New Market, MD website. www.eastnewmarket.org Click on the links for Tax Records, Court Records, and Probate records for examples of these types of records. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Frank. Didn't know about that one, will try again! Appreciate your help! My real problem is Delaware; but Sx abuts Dorchester, and border crossings aren't that modern! Not completely sure exactly the environs of BroadCreek, either. General idea only. Ruth

Libraries are simply trying to protect their resources when they don't allow you pens, bags, etc. A good 30 years ago libraries were having trouble with people razor-blading pages from reference books, etc. Some think nothing of marking them up with pen, often obscuring entries others can no longer read. Even the LDS library in Santa Monica does this---and the reason is because people also....um.....STEAL materials. Objectionable? Not if you look at it properly (and fairly!) Pencil is a pain; slow and easily smears, etc. Some libraries will allow a lap-top, and by all means, take a supply of copy money with you---their petty cash often won't support many people asking for it, so their only source of coin replenishment is to ....rob the pop machine....er...copy machine! Anyone can have an off day now and then; all of us do. But consistently rude or impatient staff should be dealt with by the administration. (So, btw, should consistently rude and disagreeable patrons!) If it's a volunteer, there are likely policies in place, and volunteers are just that. Please, thank you, if you have time, etc are all phrases becoming less well used---it behooves us to remember to use them, along with patience and an agreeable tone of voice! A little politeness and appreciation can do a lot for everyone, including ourselves! Now. Anyone have Bakers or Smiths from Sussex Co, De in the mid & late 1700s, Broad Creek Hundred? Thanks! Ruth

Also, the staff at the Archives are extremely helpful. I would definitely recommend making the trip, you'll be glad you did! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you, Joyce and Mary. But what about those of us who cannot get to the archives? I've found very little of interest online about Delaware (complicated by the fact that the involved families are Smiths and Bakers! Literally. Jobwise? Doubtful!) Ruth

Dear Pan, I am not a professional genealogist. I'm just someone who has been trying to trace the family. I have been tracing the Ball family in. I see that you have a connections with the Bell family. Since the old handwriting is so difficult to decipher, it is possible that Bell was Ball and/or Ball was Bell. I have some 1769 land Records that involve John Ball, John Stewart, and Marcy Maddox of Somerset Co. Marcy Maddox is listed as the son of Daniel Maddox and Sarah (Fountain). I also have a note that Feb. 4, 1802, John Ball m. Sarah Ann Maddox in Prince George's Co. Does this mean anything to you? Could we both be tracing the same family under different spelling? Clare -- "Pam Pearson" <pampearson2@comcast.net> wrote: Dear Patricia, Thank you for the additional information and insight on the Maddux family, as well as the Powells. Although I don't profess to be an expert on this family, I want to push back a bit on the ancestry you've outlined for Bell Maddox. I'm including dates since, as you noted, there were just too many Alexander Madduxes running around. Patricia notes ... "It appears that Bell Maddox and my Lazarus descend from two marriages of > Alexander Maddox ( there's about 15 Alexanders... careful). The father of > Bell in my working data with me is Thomas Maddox the presumed husband of > one > Mary Bell. ...Thomas is the son of Alexander and Mary Stevens Maddux. My > line of > interest is Alexander and second wife Elinor White Bozeman ( later Caine) > who's son Lazarus spawns a brood, most of whom leave MD. " As you state, Bell Maddux (c1715-c1774) was clearly the son of Thomas Maddux (1679-c1736). Thomas was married to a woman named Mary at the time of his death, but I personally haven't found proof that her surname was Bell. I also haven't found proof that Mary was the mother of Bell Maddux. My research suggests that Thomas Maddux (1679-c1736) was the son of Alexander Maddux (c1655-c1717) and his wife Mary. Maryland Eastern Shore Vital Records, Book 1: 131, notes that Thomas Madox, son of Allexander and Mary Madox, was born at Pocomoke 2 Jan 1679. Mary was possibly Mary Bell, daughter of Thomas Bell (c1618-c1678). Thomas Bell left a will mentioning his daughter Mary Maddux. This Mary Bell would have been too old to be the wife of Thomas Maddux. Perhaps there were two Mary Bells, but I personally have no proof of that. My research suggests that Alexander Maddux (c1655-c1717) was the son of Alexander Maddux (c1613-c1660). I have only found one reference to a wife other than Eleanor. The Accomack Co, VA Court Order Abstracts (1666-1670, p. 64a) contains an entry where Tho. Teackle certified in 1668 that Thomas Mattocks, son of Alexander and Elizabeth Mattocks, was baptized in 1651. Unless Alexander had a third wife, it seems more likely that this Elizabeth was the mother of Alexander (c1655-c1717). I realize the lineage I've presented is not consistent with much of what is found on the internet. I truly welcome additional input and comments. Have I managed to go astray? Pam > > *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As Regent of my DAR chapter I received a book today of Revolutionary War Gravesites.This is a new book published in North Carolina. I found this: Delaware Soldiers ( d.Mar 15,1781) Three unknown soldiers in Captain Kirkwood's Delaware Company, buried in Guilford Courthouse National Military park."Three Continental Soldiers rest ehre in fame's eternal camping ground."Of Kirkwood's fewer than 100 men placed on the right of the American lines, 35 were lost at the Battle of Guildford Court House. My Patriot marched South at that time also I belive.He enlisted 1780 and served until 1783. Anyone have any cludes who they would be? Kathleen Carrow Ingram

Mary, If you're making a trip to Delaware in November, go to the Archives! My husband and I have been researching his Delaware family for almost 10 years and the Archives is packed with records. We've found land records and wills that date back to as early as 1685 (maybe some even earlier). Check the Orphans Court records too, there can be a wealth of info found there. Also, the staff at the Archives are extremely helpful. I would definitely recommend making the trip, you'll be glad you did! Joyce Wolfe Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <mydesire@gulftel.com> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] Finding older DE Land Records > Hello, > Awhile back the list was writing about land records on line but I think > it was MD records. Does anyone know if there are land records available > from 1826-1830 for Sussex County. In particular Broad Creek Hundred? On > Line I keep finding those which are advertising paid sites. I would visit > the Dover Archives in November when I am visiting the area if I knew they > had those years. > Mary in Alabama > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As Regent of my DAR chapter I received a book today of Revolutionary War Gravesites.This is a new book published in North Carolina. I found this: Delaware Soldiers ( d.Mar 15,1781) Three unknown soldiers in Captain Kirkwood's Delaware Company, buried in Guilford Courthouse National Military park."Three Continental Soldiers rest ehre in fame's eternal camping ground."Of Kirkwood's fewer than 100 men placed on the right of the American lines, 35 were lost at the Battle of Guildford Court House. My Patriot marched South at that time also I belive.He enlisted 1780 and served until 1783. Anyone have any cludes who they would be? Kathleen Carrow Ingram

Does anyone know if there are land records available from 1826-1830 for Sussex County. In particular Broad Creek Hundred? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mary in Alabama: I, too, am interested, but earlier dates, like the 1700s, early, middle and late! Thanks! Ruth

Hello, Awhile back the list was writing about land records on line but I think it was MD records. Does anyone know if there are land records available from 1826-1830 for Sussex County. In particular Broad Creek Hundred? On Line I keep finding those which are advertising paid sites. I would visit the Dover Archives in November when I am visiting the area if I knew they had those years. Mary in Alabama

Dear Patricia, Thank you for the additional information and insight on the Maddux family, as well as the Powells. Although I don't profess to be an expert on this family, I want to push back a bit on the ancestry you've outlined for Bell Maddox. I'm including dates since, as you noted, there were just too many Alexander Madduxes running around. Patricia notes ... "It appears that Bell Maddox and my Lazarus descend from two marriages of > Alexander Maddox ( there's about 15 Alexanders... careful). The father of > Bell in my working data with me is Thomas Maddox the presumed husband of > one > Mary Bell. ...Thomas is the son of Alexander and Mary Stevens Maddux. My > line of > interest is Alexander and second wife Elinor White Bozeman ( later Caine) > who's son Lazarus spawns a brood, most of whom leave MD. " As you state, Bell Maddux (c1715-c1774) was clearly the son of Thomas Maddux (1679-c1736). Thomas was married to a woman named Mary at the time of his death, but I personally haven't found proof that her surname was Bell. I also haven't found proof that Mary was the mother of Bell Maddux. My research suggests that Thomas Maddux (1679-c1736) was the son of Alexander Maddux (c1655-c1717) and his wife Mary. Maryland Eastern Shore Vital Records, Book 1: 131, notes that Thomas Madox, son of Allexander and Mary Madox, was born at Pocomoke 2 Jan 1679. Mary was possibly Mary Bell, daughter of Thomas Bell (c1618-c1678). Thomas Bell left a will mentioning his daughter Mary Maddux. This Mary Bell would have been too old to be the wife of Thomas Maddux. Perhaps there were two Mary Bells, but I personally have no proof of that. My research suggests that Alexander Maddux (c1655-c1717) was the son of Alexander Maddux (c1613-c1660). I have only found one reference to a wife other than Eleanor. The Accomack Co, VA Court Order Abstracts (1666-1670, p. 64a) contains an entry where Tho. Teackle certified in 1668 that Thomas Mattocks, son of Alexander and Elizabeth Mattocks, was baptized in 1651. Unless Alexander had a third wife, it seems more likely that this Elizabeth was the mother of Alexander (c1655-c1717). I realize the lineage I've presented is not consistent with much of what is found on the internet. I truly welcome additional input and comments. Have I managed to go astray? Pam > >

(1) No one except Indians lived in Somerset in the 1650s.? (2) The Anglican Stepney Parish was created only in the 1690s,?following the Protestant Revolution, when the Anglican Church became the official religion in the Province.? (3) Before that time, our principal source of Somerset vital statistics is in the county Land Records Volume IKL, which includes transcribed entries from early days.? IKL includes five children of John and Frances Renshaw in the 1670s and 1680s, but no marriage is found, and no maiden name for her. John Lyon -----Original Message----- From: Eleanor Brundick <ebtalbott@verizon.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:16 am Subject: [LDR] Frances Clark Rencher Is there any proof that John Rencher I was married to Frances Clark? I thought the maiden name of the Frances, married to John Rencher I, was unknown and that Frances Clark was married to John Rencher II. I have a notation that says John Rencher I and Frances were married in Stepney Parish in 1654 and their son John was born in 1655. If this is incorrect I would love to know. I think some of my early Rencher information is a bit mixed up with lots of old outdated sources. Maybe I have asked this before and it has been adequately answered. If so, I apologize. Eleanor *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com

Is there any proof that John Rencher I was married to Frances Clark? I thought the maiden name of the Frances, married to John Rencher I, was unknown and that Frances Clark was married to John Rencher II. I have a notation that says John Rencher I and Frances were married in Stepney Parish in 1654 and their son John was born in 1655. If this is incorrect I would love to know. I think some of my early Rencher information is a bit mixed up with lots of old outdated sources. Maybe I have asked this before and it has been adequately answered. If so, I apologize. Eleanor

Thanks, Eleanor, for the Thomas Underwood lead.  Underwood Rencher's wife was definitely Sarah and they had a daughter named Eleanor. Becky M ----- Original Message ---- From: Eleanor Brundick <ebtalbott@verizon.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 10:26:18 PM Subject: [LDR] Renchers I thought Underwood Rencher's (1692-1750) wife was named Eleanor Fisher.  I don't remember coming across the name Sarah. I think John Rencher's (d. 1711) wife may have been Frances Underwood, daughter of Thomas Underwood and Elizabeth. *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sarah Fisher was 103 years old ????? > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:06:18 -0500> From: ebtalbott@verizon.net> To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LDR] Sarah Fisher> > Becky,> > Thank you so much for the Sarah Fisher Rencher information. Do you have any clues as to the identity of her mother - Jane? This is my mitochondrial DNA line.> > Eleanor> ***************************************> QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING?> Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ:> http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Becky, Thank you so much for the Sarah Fisher Rencher information. Do you have any clues as to the identity of her mother - Jane? This is my mitochondrial DNA line. Eleanor

Barbara Do you happen to have any further information on Frances Clarke? Dorothy Clarke married Roger Phillips in Somerset Co on 22 Oct 1672. Roger signed a 4 year indenture (labor contract) in Jamestown VA on August 21 1662. Roger completed his indenture in 1666 and apparently moved, or had already been working out his indenture, in Somerset CO. Dorothy Clarke signed as an indentured servant for 4 years in the Jamestown VA Colony on September 2 1669. (7 years apart). The length of her indenture would normally have carried over to Sept. 1673. The marriage in Oct. 1672 may indicate that Roger Phillips bought out the remaining year of the indenture. There were about 51 Clarke's who arrived in Jamestown as indentured servants, but Dorothy’s date of indenture to Guy Shattford does not match up to any other Clarke’s so my assumption has been that she came alone, (or could even have been a young Jamestown widow who signed an indenture rather than starve) Regards Ben MacDonald ---- Barbara Renshaw <barenshaw@verizon.net> wrote: > Becky: > > We have met and talked before about the Renshaws in Mt. Vernon (at the Nabb > Center). My husband is a Renshaw whose ancestors came from that area. It's > been a couple of years since I last did research on his family. My research > has found that Frances' maiden name was Clarke. She and John were married > about 1677 in Somerset County. > Underwood's wife's name was Sarah (nee Fisher), daughter of John and Jane > Fisher. (Jane married a second time, after the death of John, to ? Alsey, > Alsey; AKA Elzey) The Nabb Center has this info. on file. > I have seen the name "Rawley" in my research, but I'd have to look through > my notes to find it. > > Barbara Renshaw, Salisbury > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miller's Choice" <milchoice@yahoo.com> > To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [LDR] Rawley and Rencher & Underwood > > > I descend from John Rencher (d. 1711) three ways: > 1. daughter Elizabeth (1678-post 1729) m. John Grandee-Roberts > 2. son Thomas Rencher (1687-1772) m. Bridget Shiles > 3. son Underwood Rencher (1692-1750) m. Sarah Fisher > > Another son, Samuell Rencher, ancestor of Martha Shroeder of this list, > witnessed the will of James Ralley on 12 March 1710/1711 (EB9:1) who had a > wife Frances and a number of children, including a son William who sold > Ireland Eye to my ancestor John Shores in 1713 which Shores sold to John > Nicholson in 1724 (GH:160). Samuel Rencher signed as next of kin on the > inventory of James Royle on 22 March 1710/11 (32B:265). > > Ralley and Royle are apparently the same man and is also likely the James > Rawley who owned Ireland's Eye which I believe is in or near the community > of Sharptown. > My question to Martha and anyone else is: Who is James Rawley and why did > Samuel Rencher sign as a next of kin on the inventory of his estate? > > There should be a lot of Rencher descendants on this list and I hope someone > has looked into the identity of > John Rencher's wife, Frances, surname unknown to me. I'm looking at Rawley > for a clue. I thought perhaps Frances was an Underwood considering a son was > named Underwood. > Anthony Underwood owned Little Belean because he married the widow of Robert > Ridgely of St. Mary's County (d. 1681), but I don't know anything else about > him (and haven't looked thoroughly as yet). > > Any help or thoughts welcome. I'm trying to make a list of specifics I need > to look up at the MSA in Annapolis sometime this fall. > > Thanks, > Becky M > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message