Can anyone connect George Harmer with the Charles Harmer who was married to Anne Southey, who 2nd married Nathaniel Littleton? Pat -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E Johnson Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:56 PM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Peter Minuet Thanks very much for these notes from Baird. Wesel was an early center of the Calvinist faith, active beginning in the 80-year's war when Calvinism was persecuted in Holland; there was a Dutch Reformed community there. I'm aware of several persons from or of Wesel, who came to the colonies in North America, or whose immediate descendents did. > The relationship may have been a religious one or through the Dutch West > Indies Company. If you mean Godfrey Harmer, relationship to Minuit --I have further clarification. In a footnote in Albert Cook Myers' Narratives of Early Pennsylvania, West New Jersey and Delaware, 1630-1707, in the chapter "Report of Governor Printz 1644" is noted that Hendrick Huygen, a member of the 1638 expedition of Sweden to the Delaware and Commissary of the New Sweden colony, "a relative of Peter Minuit, was from Wesel, on the lower Rhine..." Also is noted on the same page, that Godfrey Harmer was "a kinsman of Hendrick Huygen." See p. 106, in which Prints says Hendrick Huygen has "has a Holland servant who knows the savage languages and understands well how to carry on the trade" and that Huygen "does not like to miss the servant (because he is his relative)..." In a footnote on the same page, Godfrey Harmer is identified as the young relative of Huygen that Printz mentions here. http://books.google.com/books?id=FDR-AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA106& Again, zero hard documentation, but Johann Printz, as a contemporary reporter, was aware of a kinship between Harmer and Huygens. Liz J 2008/11/6 <SchulzEGS@aol.com>: > Add this little tidbit to the quest. > "History of the Huguenot Emigration to America," Charles W. Baird, DD, Vol. > 1, Baltimore MD: Regional Publishing Co., 1966, page 175-176: > Meanwhile, New Amsterdam had become the home of other French-speaking > immigrants. Peter Minuet, the second director, was himself a Walloon. His family, > during the persecutions in the southern provinces, half a century before, had > taken refuge in Wesel, where Minuet was a deacon of the Walloon Church the time > of his appointment as director. > 1628, April 7-It was during his term of office that New Amsterdam was visited > for the first time by a minister of religion. > > The relationship may have been a religious one or through the Dutch West > Indies Company. *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is one article on Harvey...there are others coming to you. They detail Claiborne, Utie et alia filing a deposition against Gov Harvey with the English Court to have him removed. One more question...My data, with these same names in it, contains on Jonathan Martinoe, a son in law of John Grace and wife Sarah, possibly Dolbee. Jonathan is involved in a really messy court case wherein he and widow Sarah take on everyone else in the family over whether she can log and strip the land John left to her as a life interest. At her death it was to go to their son.I estimate this Jonathan to be born roughly 1750. As I look at the Nicholas Martiau below, I wonder... anyone doing Martinoe/Martineau? Pat A Principal in the Overthrow of a Capricious Ruler York History Series #A-5, April 1997 by (the late) Dick Ivy, Honorary NMDA Member Hearing of secret and unlawful meetings since January by some of his councilors concerning decisions of his rulership of Virginia, Governor Sir John Harvey apprehended and committed their "chief actors" William English, Nicolas Martiau and Francis Pott. On Apr. 28, 1635, the Governor's Councilors Samuel Matthews, John Utie, Thomas Harwood, William Perry, William Farrer, William Peirce, George Menefie and Dr. John Pott came to the governor-called council meeting at his house. John Utie of Yorke's Chiskiak Parish hit the governor hard on his shoulder and declared he was under arrest for treason. The others held him secure and told him to go back to England to answer the complaints against him. They set Martiau and others free and called for their force of 50 musketmen waiting at a short distance. On May 7, 1635, the councilors met at James Town, opened the floor to complaints, and elected Capt. John West as governor. The complaint included the giveaway to please the King of the Isle of Kent to Maryland by a willing Harvey for persecuted Catholics from England, ignoring the ownership claim by William Claiborne who was trading with the Indians here. A war ensued between forces from Maryland and Claiborne when the latter refused to become a Catholic, it is said. Martiau was granted 1,600 acres of land that year. The King reinstated Harvey and the rebels were ordered to appear at the King's Star Court, but were never tried for an unknown reason. Finally, Harvey was recalled over another incident of poor judgment. -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ellen C. Ward Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:40 PM To: 'lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [LDR] George and Nathaniel Utie Hi Pat, I've also gotten very interested in George and Nathaniel Utie and the families whose lives are intertwined with theirs. If you haven't already, you might enjoy reading the article "Early Settlers of the Site of Havre De Grace" by William B. Marye, http://books.google.com/books?id=d_sMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA197. In 1658, Henry Ward settled on a tract of land near the Susquehanna with the Stockett and Utie families. I'm trying to figure out how exactly he's related to them. One of the wives of Nathaniel Utie was Mary Mapletoft who was previously married to a Lawrence Ward. I'm trying to find if there's a relationship between Henry Ward and Lawrence Ward. I'd be interested in knowing more about Harvey's Deposition if you have it. Ellen Ward -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patriciaa Charron Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:44 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] George and Nathaniel Utie In the late 1650's I am finding many references to the Utie family in MD in the general Chesapeake Bay area. In 1657, one Thomas Utie was drummed out of VA for being a Quaker. Other names mentioned in this court action were Thurston and Stockett. The Maryland Historical Magazine mentions that in 1658 the Manor of Speutia ( formerly called Beare Island) was laid out for Colonel Nathaniel Utie. This same article mentions a Thomas Stockett of a later Named Taylor's Island, who had for neighbors a George and Nathaniel Utie, and a Thomas Thurston. The William and Mary Quarterly adds Harmer's Town, Anne Arundel, Fort Conquest, Point Conquest, Palmer Island, William Claiborne vs. Capt John Utie Esq of Utimaria, Godfrey Harmer, Harvey's Deposition, and much else of interest too detailed for general consumption. Okay, what are my odds. For more years than I care to admit, I have been dragging around the family given names of Ute, Thurston, Harmer, and even Claiborne for Pete's sake. As in any pre-1800 colonial line I have my share of Quakers. Can anyone shed further light on Harvey's Deposition, Harmer's Town, Godfrey Harmer, any Utie ( what is the origin of that name?) Thurston, Speutia, Utimaria, and anything else you'd care to extol upon on a fine Wednesday morning. Pat *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? 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HI ELLEN, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE LARGE TYPE; BAD EYESIGHT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY CHICKS ON YOUR LIST IN CECIL CO. DID YOU RUN ACROSS ANY BY ANY CHANCE? JOSEPH CHICK MOVED INTO DC AFTER THE WAR OF 1812 AS A PLASTERER. HIS DAU. ELIZA CHICK MARRIED JOHN E. REINTZEL, (A PLASTERER), AND THEY MOVED TO ST MARY'S CO. I'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE INFO ON JOSEPH, PEREGRINE, AND NATHANIEL CHICK IF YOU FIND ANY. GOD BLESS, NORAH COLLINS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen C. Ward" <ellen@bcpl.net> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] George and Nathaniel Utie > Hi Pat, > > I have been using a wiki to help me collect information while trying to > move backward in time on some of my Ward family in Cecil County. While > doing that I have been running into the Utie family, Spesutia Manor, the > Stockett family and many Quaker families. I have collected quite a bit of > information and even though it isn't in the final form that I'd like it to > be, you and others are welcome to look through and add to it or just read > it. There's a search box in the upper right-hand corner. There is also a > rough table of contents on the right side and a page of familiy surnames, > http://cecilcountymdgenealogy.pbwiki.com/Families > > http://cecilcountymdgenealogy.pbwiki.com/ > > I'd be very interested in working with you or anyone else on this time > period and these families. It's really interesting. > > Ellen > ________________________________________ > From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patriciaa Charron > [patricia7@cinci.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:44 AM > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDR] George and Nathaniel Utie > > In the late 1650's I am finding many references to the Utie family in MD > in > the general Chesapeake Bay area. > > In 1657, one Thomas Utie was drummed out of VA for being a Quaker. Other > names mentioned in this court action were Thurston and Stockett. > > The Maryland Historical Magazine mentions that in 1658 the Manor of > Speutia > ( formerly called Beare Island) was laid out for Colonel Nathaniel Utie. > This same article mentions a Thomas Stockett of a later Named Taylor's > Island, who had for neighbors a George and Nathaniel Utie, and a Thomas > Thurston. The William and Mary Quarterly adds Harmer's Town, Anne Arundel, > Fort Conquest, Point Conquest, Palmer Island, William Claiborne vs. Capt > John Utie Esq of Utimaria, Godfrey Harmer, Harvey's Deposition, and much > else of interest too detailed for general consumption. > > Okay, what are my odds. For more years than I care to admit, I have been > dragging around the family given names of Ute, Thurston, Harmer, and even > Claiborne for Pete's sake. As in any pre-1800 colonial line I have my > share > of Quakers. > > Can anyone shed further light on Harvey's Deposition, Harmer's Town, > Godfrey > Harmer, any Utie ( what is the origin of that name?) Thurston, Speutia, > Utimaria, and anything else you'd care to extol upon on a fine Wednesday > morning. Pat > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pat, I have been using a wiki to help me collect information while trying to move backward in time on some of my Ward family in Cecil County. While doing that I have been running into the Utie family, Spesutia Manor, the Stockett family and many Quaker families. I have collected quite a bit of information and even though it isn't in the final form that I'd like it to be, you and others are welcome to look through and add to it or just read it. There's a search box in the upper right-hand corner. There is also a rough table of contents on the right side and a page of familiy surnames, http://cecilcountymdgenealogy.pbwiki.com/Families http://cecilcountymdgenealogy.pbwiki.com/ I'd be very interested in working with you or anyone else on this time period and these families. It's really interesting. Ellen ________________________________________ From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patriciaa Charron [patricia7@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:44 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] George and Nathaniel Utie In the late 1650's I am finding many references to the Utie family in MD in the general Chesapeake Bay area. In 1657, one Thomas Utie was drummed out of VA for being a Quaker. Other names mentioned in this court action were Thurston and Stockett. The Maryland Historical Magazine mentions that in 1658 the Manor of Speutia ( formerly called Beare Island) was laid out for Colonel Nathaniel Utie. This same article mentions a Thomas Stockett of a later Named Taylor's Island, who had for neighbors a George and Nathaniel Utie, and a Thomas Thurston. The William and Mary Quarterly adds Harmer's Town, Anne Arundel, Fort Conquest, Point Conquest, Palmer Island, William Claiborne vs. Capt John Utie Esq of Utimaria, Godfrey Harmer, Harvey's Deposition, and much else of interest too detailed for general consumption. Okay, what are my odds. For more years than I care to admit, I have been dragging around the family given names of Ute, Thurston, Harmer, and even Claiborne for Pete's sake. As in any pre-1800 colonial line I have my share of Quakers. Can anyone shed further light on Harvey's Deposition, Harmer's Town, Godfrey Harmer, any Utie ( what is the origin of that name?) Thurston, Speutia, Utimaria, and anything else you'd care to extol upon on a fine Wednesday morning. Pat *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1644 Report of Governor Printz ends with a list of the residents.colonists of New Sweden, and includes this entry: The servant of Com. Hindrick Hugen: Gaatfreedh Hermansonn [Myers, Narratives of Early Pennsylvania, West New Jersey and Delaware, 1630-1707, p. 112] Godfrey Harmer, described by Printz in the same report as "the said boy" (p 106 of the above book) would have a birth date probably in the 1620-1630 range. Liz J

Thanks very much for these notes from Baird. Wesel was an early center of the Calvinist faith, active beginning in the 80-year's war when Calvinism was persecuted in Holland; there was a Dutch Reformed community there. I'm aware of several persons from or of Wesel, who came to the colonies in North America, or whose immediate descendents did. > The relationship may have been a religious one or through the Dutch West > Indies Company. If you mean Godfrey Harmer, relationship to Minuit --I have further clarification. In a footnote in Albert Cook Myers' Narratives of Early Pennsylvania, West New Jersey and Delaware, 1630-1707, in the chapter "Report of Governor Printz 1644" is noted that Hendrick Huygen, a member of the 1638 expedition of Sweden to the Delaware and Commissary of the New Sweden colony, "a relative of Peter Minuit, was from Wesel, on the lower Rhine..." Also is noted on the same page, that Godfrey Harmer was "a kinsman of Hendrick Huygen." See p. 106, in which Prints says Hendrick Huygen has "has a Holland servant who knows the savage languages and understands well how to carry on the trade" and that Huygen "does not like to miss the servant (because he is his relative)..." In a footnote on the same page, Godfrey Harmer is identified as the young relative of Huygen that Printz mentions here. http://books.google.com/books?id=FDR-AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA106& Again, zero hard documentation, but Johann Printz, as a contemporary reporter, was aware of a kinship between Harmer and Huygens. Liz J 2008/11/6 <SchulzEGS@aol.com>: > Add this little tidbit to the quest. > "History of the Huguenot Emigration to America," Charles W. Baird, DD, Vol. > 1, Baltimore MD: Regional Publishing Co., 1966, page 175-176: > Meanwhile, New Amsterdam had become the home of other French-speaking > immigrants. Peter Minuet, the second director, was himself a Walloon. His family, > during the persecutions in the southern provinces, half a century before, had > taken refuge in Wesel, where Minuet was a deacon of the Walloon Church the time > of his appointment as director. > 1628, April 7-It was during his term of office that New Amsterdam was visited > for the first time by a minister of religion. > > The relationship may have been a religious one or through the Dutch West > Indies Company.

Add this little tidbit to the quest. "History of the Huguenot Emigration to America," Charles W. Baird, DD, Vol. 1, Baltimore MD: Regional Publishing Co., 1966, page 175-176: Meanwhile, New Amsterdam had become the home of other French-speaking immigrants. Peter Minuet, the second director, was himself a Walloon. His family, during the persecutions in the southern provinces, half a century before, had taken refuge in Wesel, where Minuet was a deacon of the Walloon Church the time of his appointment as director. 1628, April 7-It was during his term of office that New Amsterdam was visited for the first time by a minister of religion. The relationship may have been a religious one or through the Dutch West Indies Company. ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-hol idays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

Pat, I am very interested in the Thurston part of this. Especially if this Thomas Thurston ties to the Northampton Co VA Thurston family. Mary > In 1657, one Thomas Utie was drummed out of VA for being a Quaker. Other > names mentioned in this court action were Thurston > ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

You all have probably already discovered this, but just in case you haven't, I would like to mention that the new edition of John Frederick Dorman's Adventurers of Purse and Person has an entire chapter on the "Utie-Bennett" families. Since this is a 3-volume work with the family chapters arranged by surname in alphabetical order, the Utie-Bennett chapter is in the 3rd volume. Several months ago when I was doing lots of research in these volumes, I found that I had trouble locating the 3rd volume--since this more comprehensive, revised edition was commissioned for the 400th Anniversary of Jamestown, the first two volumes were released and lots of libraries (including my home library here in Arlington, VA) just forgot to complete the set after the May 2007 festivities were completed. The only place I could find that 3rd volume here in the DC area was at the DAR Library--even the Library of Congress had neglected to order it! If you haven't already, take a look at that chapter. Janice McKelvey

Godfrey Harmer, born about 1640; died in 1674 - Gunpowder River, Baltimore County, Maryland. He was an Indian trader and interpretor. He was supposedly a nephew of Peter Minuit, founder of New Sweden colony on the Delaware River (I have no documatation on any relation of Harmer's with Minuit). Not sure if he was from Holland or Germany... working on it. Godfrey Harmer was part of a mass naturalization that took place in 1661, of a couple of dozen people who appear to have come into Maryland from the Dutch colonies on the Delaware. For various reasons in the 1657-1661 era, the Dutch were losing many settlers to Maryland. See Denizations in Maryland in 1661: Maryland Archives Vol. III, pp 428, 429, 430 He was married before 1658 to Mary Sprye, a daughter of Oliver Sprye, Chirurgeon, and Johanna. On May 23, 1658, Oliver Sprye wrote a letter to a "Mr. Clarke" mentioning "my son Godfrid." Godfrey Harmer was one of the first settlers of the place on the upper Chesapeake, west side, where Havre De Grace is now. See article, "Early Settlers of the Site of Havre De Grace" by William B. Marye in "Maryland Historical Magazine Vol. XIII, No. 3 (September 1919), starting p. 197. Ellen already sent a link for that article. Harmer owned several large properties near site of Havre De Grace, and also owned land in Cecil County, Maryland. These below were in Cecil County: Harmers Mount, 150 Acres; Certificate Developer/Owner: Harmer, Godfrey 1658 Patent Record Q, p. 296 MSA S 1586-1332 Harmers Mount, 150 Acres; Patent Developer/Owner: Harmer, Godfrey 1658 Patent Record Q, p. 297 MSA S 1586-1333 Mount Harmer, 200 Acres; Certificate Developer/Owner: Harmer, Godfrey 1658 Patent Record Q, p. 296 MSA S 1586-2251 Mount Harmer, 200 Acres; Patent Developer/Owner: Harmer, Godfrey 1658 Patent Record Q, p. 297 MSA S 1586-2252 Mt Harmon was located on the peninsula on the north side of Back Creek, a branch off the Sassafras River. Deed. Cornelius Urimson and Ellinor Urimson of Cecil Co., to William Ward of the same place, 50 acres of land, part of a tract called Mt Harmon by the Sassafras River formerly sold to Neales Urimson by Godfrey Harmer. Made 13 Mar 1675. Wit: John Cosyns, John Wheeler. Ackn: 22 Mar 1675/6 before Augustin Herman and Henry Ward by William Galloway and Andrew Powlson, attorneys for Cornelius Urimson and Elinor Urimson. Power of Attorney. Elinor Urimson appoints her son Andrew Powlson to be her attorney to acknowledge and deliver to William Ward the land she now lives on. Made 23 Mar 1675/6. Wit: Axel Still, John ___. [both p. 5, Abstracts of Cecil County Land Records 1673-1751, by June D Brown] This will abstract is missing citation, should be in MD Calendar of wills. Harmer, Godfrey, Gunpowder River, Baltimore Co., 12th Feb., 1673; 20th May, 1674. To wife Mary, execx., all real estate during life. To child., viz., Sarah, Eliza:, and Mary, sd. land equally at death of wife afsd. Test: John Watterton, Chas. Jones. 1. 613. Nathaniel Utie was a political figure in the 1660's in Maryland. Nathaniel Utie lived near there ("Spesutia" island). He visited the Dutch directors of the Delaware in the late 1650's (correct date available, I just don't have it handy) to tell them the English would be taking over soon, that the English were the rightful owners. Apparently Utie was host to several "runaway" Dutch colonists who wished to move permanently to Maryland. Nathaniel Utie was another licensed Indian trader. He transported some three dozen people to Maryland, obtaining large tracts of land through headrights. His son John died young; George Utie, his nephew, inherited the manor of Spesutia. Nathaniel Utie married 1668 to Elizabeth Carter (his second marriage). She married second to Hendrick Jansen (van Jeverin) aka Johnson, also from the Dutch colony, and she maried third to Edward Boothby. There should be a great deal available to read about this family. Probably the best place to start would be the article in the MD Historical Magazine that Ellen referenced. Liz J

Hi Pat, I've also gotten very interested in George and Nathaniel Utie and the families whose lives are intertwined with theirs. If you haven't already, you might enjoy reading the article "Early Settlers of the Site of Havre De Grace" by William B. Marye, http://books.google.com/books?id=d_sMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA197. In 1658, Henry Ward settled on a tract of land near the Susquehanna with the Stockett and Utie families. I'm trying to figure out how exactly he's related to them. One of the wives of Nathaniel Utie was Mary Mapletoft who was previously married to a Lawrence Ward. I'm trying to find if there's a relationship between Henry Ward and Lawrence Ward. I'd be interested in knowing more about Harvey's Deposition if you have it. Ellen Ward -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patriciaa Charron Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:44 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] George and Nathaniel Utie In the late 1650's I am finding many references to the Utie family in MD in the general Chesapeake Bay area. In 1657, one Thomas Utie was drummed out of VA for being a Quaker. Other names mentioned in this court action were Thurston and Stockett. The Maryland Historical Magazine mentions that in 1658 the Manor of Speutia ( formerly called Beare Island) was laid out for Colonel Nathaniel Utie. This same article mentions a Thomas Stockett of a later Named Taylor's Island, who had for neighbors a George and Nathaniel Utie, and a Thomas Thurston. The William and Mary Quarterly adds Harmer's Town, Anne Arundel, Fort Conquest, Point Conquest, Palmer Island, William Claiborne vs. Capt John Utie Esq of Utimaria, Godfrey Harmer, Harvey's Deposition, and much else of interest too detailed for general consumption. Okay, what are my odds. For more years than I care to admit, I have been dragging around the family given names of Ute, Thurston, Harmer, and even Claiborne for Pete's sake. As in any pre-1800 colonial line I have my share of Quakers. Can anyone shed further light on Harvey's Deposition, Harmer's Town, Godfrey Harmer, any Utie ( what is the origin of that name?) Thurston, Speutia, Utimaria, and anything else you'd care to extol upon on a fine Wednesday morning. Pat *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the late 1650's I am finding many references to the Utie family in MD in the general Chesapeake Bay area. In 1657, one Thomas Utie was drummed out of VA for being a Quaker. Other names mentioned in this court action were Thurston and Stockett. The Maryland Historical Magazine mentions that in 1658 the Manor of Speutia ( formerly called Beare Island) was laid out for Colonel Nathaniel Utie. This same article mentions a Thomas Stockett of a later Named Taylor's Island, who had for neighbors a George and Nathaniel Utie, and a Thomas Thurston. The William and Mary Quarterly adds Harmer's Town, Anne Arundel, Fort Conquest, Point Conquest, Palmer Island, William Claiborne vs. Capt John Utie Esq of Utimaria, Godfrey Harmer, Harvey's Deposition, and much else of interest too detailed for general consumption. Okay, what are my odds. For more years than I care to admit, I have been dragging around the family given names of Ute, Thurston, Harmer, and even Claiborne for Pete's sake. As in any pre-1800 colonial line I have my share of Quakers. Can anyone shed further light on Harvey's Deposition, Harmer's Town, Godfrey Harmer, any Utie ( what is the origin of that name?) Thurston, Speutia, Utimaria, and anything else you'd care to extol upon on a fine Wednesday morning. Pat

A full day with John Lyon on land record mapping & more   DORCHESTER COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY – Roots and Branches ~ December 6, 2008 ~ December 13, 2008   All sessions held at  the Dorchester County Historical Society,  902 LaGrange Avenue, Cambridge, Maryland 21613, 410-228-7953.  Payment by credit card accepted.  Costs? Half-day sessions – per session: $20 members of Dorchester County Historical Society; $25 non-members Full-day session: $40 members of Dorchester County Historical Society; $50 non-members.  Questions? Call DCHS at 410-228-7953. The deadline for reservations is 5 days before the desired session.   December 6, 2008   Starting out and staying on track  - 9:30 am - 12 noon - Deanna E. Marshall. Mrs. Marshall was a co-Editor of the Dorchester County Genealogy Magazine and has lectured on various topics of  local history.   Practical approaches to researching Dorchester families – sound and simple ways to plan your family research and organize what you find. The talk will use examples from 30 years of experience as a genealogist and family history researcher and active audience participation,        Lunch on your own   12:00 noon – 1:00 pm   Maryland Records: Finding them and using them - 1:00 pm – 4:30 pm   Tips from the experts on where to look for your Delmarva and Maryland roots – hear about two comprehensive storehouses on Marylanders, and  how to best use these collections   Maryland State Archives (Annapolis): Frank Potter is a Dorchester native and past co-editor of the Dorchester County Genealogy Magazine; Volunteer at  Maryland Archives - -  what is there and how to find what you are looking for and other nearby resources   Nabb Center (Salisbury):  Ray Thompson, Co-Founder Nabb Center - - a treasury of Delmarva history and genealogy with materials from and about ESVA and Maryland     December 13, 2008 (two co-current sessions) 9:30 am – 4:00 pm; Lunch on your own 12:00 noon – 1:00 pm   Land Records – How and Why to Use Them:  John C. Lyon, speaker  [Session A]   Mr. Lyon is an aerospace consultant who lives in Columbia, Maryland.  His database of Somerset land has been developed over many years; he speaks often to genealogical and historical groups on this work and related topics.   Maryland land records are rich and extraordinarily detailed.  They allow us to place people in their real context from earliest settlement.  The many kinds of accessible records open numerous doors to the past, directly connecting ancestors to neighbors and relatives, and when they came, where they lived, when they left, what they did and sometimes colorful anecdotal insights discovered nowhere else.  They tend to link and explain many other records.   The morning session:  We begin with (1) review of the essential records and how to locate and interpret them, showing many of the surprising research opportunities available to the informed genealogist.  We continue with (2) an overview of the mapping process: how to place properties on a map, to reconstruct and visualize ancient neighborhoods.  We conclude with (3) a broad sampler of results from the speaker’s database of all land grants in “Old Somerset”, the whole of Maryland adjoining Dorchester southeast of the Nanticoke – over 10,000 patents and other surveys, showing what can be done genealogically and historically with this complete data in hand.   The afternoon session:  As many Dorchester families trace to Somerset, we invite all those who have Somerset ancestry (including Worcester, Wicomico and much of Sussex County, Delaware) to bring their problems, puzzles, or just their curiosity to explore the Somerset mapping database with us, looking for answers to old questions.  We will have three PCs set up with three experienced Somerset researchers (Mr. Lyon, Dr. John Polk, and Mr. Mike Hitch) on hand to help locate your ancestors on the land and to point you to the source records in which you can learn more.  This sort of interactive personal opportunity almost always discloses the unexpected or the unknown.   African-American Genealogy and History: William Jarmon, chair and moderator  [Session B]   ~History of African-Americans in Dorchester County and Delmarva   ~Barriers to Researching African-American Family History and Genealogy and how to overcome them 

What time are the sessions? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JL Schulman" <schulm@erols.com> To: <LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: [LDR] Local history workshops Dec 6 & Dec 13 > The Dorchester Country Historical Society is having sessions on Dec 6 and > Dec 13 at DCHS in Cambridge. The topics range from "Getting Started", to > the Resources of the Nabb Center (Ray Thompson), to plotting old Somerset > land records (John Lyon). If you wish details, pls email me at > schulm@erols.com. > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Dorchester Country Historical Society is having sessions on Dec 6 and Dec 13 at DCHS in Cambridge. The topics range from "Getting Started", to the Resources of the Nabb Center (Ray Thompson), to plotting old Somerset land records (John Lyon). If you wish details, pls email me at schulm@erols.com.  

Hello All, I've added the first 30 pages to the book "Chronicles of Colonial Maryland". Also, I have scanned and uploaded the next 10 pages to the book "History of Delaware" by Walter Powell. They are both at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families

Hi My Purple Rainbow, Your question is not the easiest one to answer. However, a good summary of the various ways to look at currency values over the ages can be found at: http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html. If you branch off from that resource, go to www.measuringworth.com/indicator.html. If you choose 1792 as the beginning date and 2007 as the ending date, you should end up with a value of 435.43 Pounds using the Retail Price Index (RPI), which is the UK version of the US Consumer Price Index (CPI). This would represent 4,947.58 Pounds of Average Earnings. This is assuming I entered the information correctly. My understanding is that the British Pound Sterling at that time was equal to 20 shillings or 240 pence. Using a current conversion chart for UK Pounds to US $, it appears that 1 Pound Sterling is worth $1.627 at today's rates. You would have to get the opinion of others with better knowledge of historical finance and math, but see below for my guess of the correct calculations for today's values: * 435.43 X 1.627 = $708.44 representing Goods & Services. * 4,947.58 X 1.627 = $8,049.71 representing Average Earnings. This information may or may not answer your question, so I will leave it to others on the list to take a shot at it. Best regards, Marshall Hatfield -----Original Message----- From: lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lower-delmarva-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lower-delmarva-roots-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 3:01 AM To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 361 LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Administrivia For information about the Lower Delmarva Roots Mailing List, including list guidelines and instructions for unsubscribing and subscribing, see the LDRoots FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm Today's Topics: 1. Currency Converter (My Purple Rainbow) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:45:01 -0400 From: My Purple Rainbow <mypurplerainbow@hotmail.com> Subject: [LDR] Currency Converter To: <lower-delmarva-roots-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY109-W381ABF6A562B6C4C7F723CBB200@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, Can anyone please tell me approximately what the dollar conversion would be...if...in 1792 a piece of property was purchased for 4 pounds, 10 shillings? What would have been paid for the property in 1792? Thank you. Carole _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ To contact the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 361 ****************************************************

Hello, Can anyone please tell me approximately what the dollar conversion would be...if...in 1792 a piece of property was purchased for 4 pounds, 10 shillings? What would have been paid for the property in 1792? Thank you. Carole _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/

Is anyone researching Elizabeth Nutter ? She is buried in the Union Church Cemetery located northwest of Ellendale, Delaware. According to the information in "Tombstones of Sussex County, Delaware", Volume I she died 05/23/1885 at the age of 81. Also buried in the same cemetery is William B. Walls who died 08/17/1878. Not sure if he was 57 or 50 years, 7 months & 1 day when he died. Any information on either or both of these parties would be appreciated. Thank you! R. Lee Mills **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

Hey, all you DelMarVa experts, I have had a brick wall for 10 years, Even after a trip to Sussex County, and Salisbury. The gentleman is John Thompson, born abt1700, died abt14 May 1770 in Wocester County. He married Elizabeth Ward in 1726. The marriage shos up in Anne Arundel County, but that could be where it was recorded. Tonight I saw an entry in One World Tree that said he was born in Wocester County, as well. Does anyone have any info on my John's parents and where the family came from? Jay Thompson g-g-g-g-g-grandson