Fred: The Association for Gravestone Studies has a database program that might work for you: http://www.gravestonestudies.org/store/software.htm 17.95 for members | $18.95 for non-members Also I think that if someone in your group has experience working with MS Access that you might be able to create your own database or maybe a student at a local community college would be able to help set-up a database for you using Access. Excel will probably not do what you want. I found this one you can check out: http://www.adsd.com/software/cdb/ Kathi Jones-Hudson MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager http://www.usgwtombstones.org/maryland/maryland.html

"marjorie adams" <marjea@wildblue.net> wrote: >John Polk, >I can't help YOU but THANK you for your analysis of the situation. If I >understand it correctly the short answer would be: you have to go to the DE >or PA Archives and dig deeper than their indexes. ____________________ Well, of course the underlying theme here is that all the pre-Revolutionary records of Delaware were orphaned by their original Provinces. Neither PA nor MD have any vested interest in organizing those records, and DE's primary archival concern is their own post-Statehood documentation. This has always just been a fact: priorities are what they are for the States, and funding for resolving these old matters takes a back seat to maintenance, preservation and growth of the archival history within the "proper jurisdiction" of the involved agencies. Sorting the original records from PA and MD into their proper venues is labor-intensive and (therefore) expensive, if carried out by State employees. So a great gap persists in what is easily known about the Lower Counties, one not likely to be addressed officially, especially facing hard budgets. "Solving" the Somerset and Worcester confusion matrix with Sussex, and capturing some of Dorchester in the process, was maybe a year's worth of work for me, largely perched in the MD Archives, with easy access to all original records - not just what's now on-line, or even on film anywhere. As a statistical matter, the So/Wo land records in now-Sussex were about 1/6 of all those in the two MD counties before the Revolution, which makes perfect sense given the relative areas involved (and some other peculiar details). There's some hope, too, recently, that a group of interested parties will begin soon to "finish" the MD-Sussex confusion matrix with a complete runthrough of the Dorchester grants in what became Northwest Fork. This would be an excellent resource to see completed. The PA-DE issues, overall, are similar in kind but different in the details. If the sorting is to be done, it will have to be by willing volunteers able to access whatever's needed among the PA resources. One should expect perhaps 1500 to 2000 (very rough guesstimate) Penn warrants and grants across the northern and eastern parts of Sussex. A big job, but one which - unified with the MD work on the south and the west - would completely open up the "real" microhistory of southern Delaware, enabling a full study of the entire development of the area, and who was in it. This would be a truly valuable asset for genealogists and historians. Who's going to volunteer? John

Would any LDR members recommend a specific cemetery records computer software program? I serve on a cemetery committee and believe that it would greatly benefit our group to maintain our cemetery records using one of the current software programs. However, when I "google" cemetery records many sites appear. And many of the sites appear to be geared for super-size cemeteries.   Your feedback would be appreciated.   Thanks, Fred

Hi to all the group   I dont post very offen but my brother is asking if we could send an Xmas cvard to this address . I think ether his son Ronald or the grandson Ronny is in the hosp & Robert is unable to say, so if we can all send as Robert is asking .   Thank all of you Florence Dennis--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Robert Dennis <evelyn_d@clearwire.net> wrote: From: Robert Dennis <evelyn_d@clearwire.net> Subject: Fwd: FW: A moment of your time To: "Laura & Norm Bell" <nhblhc@aol.com>, "Richard Buquing" <richard.buquing@clearpointfs.org>, "Danna Green" <dannakg@yahoo.com>, "Florence LaDene" <lvrsgroup@yahoo.com>, "Marshall Freeman" <marshall.freeman@clearpointfs.org>, "Gordon Law" <glaw2424@hotmail.com>, "Jesse McNiece" <hanger737@yahoo.com>, "Peggy Heineck" <peggyspuppies@clearwire.net>, "Paula Jensen" <pjmom52@hotmail.com>, "Ruth Peel" <ruthapeel@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:53 PM When you do your Christmas cards this year, take one card and send it to this address. If we pass this on and everyone sends one card, think of how many cards these wonderful special people who have sacrificed so much would get. When you are making out your Christmas card list this year, please include the following: A Recovering American Soldier c/o Walter Reed Army Medical Center 6900 Georgia Avenue,NW Washington,D.C. 20307-5001 If you approve, please pass it on. Instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the "I'm a PC" Messenger themepack now. Download now.

I will pray  for the whole family  aswell have my churck put the family in the list .   My hears goes out to the family I know what they are going thougth.   God Bless --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Shari Handley <srh@tyaskin.com> wrote: From: Shari Handley <srh@tyaskin.com> Subject: [LDR] Bill Short To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:25 PM Dear LDRoots Listers, Sad news - Former list member Bill Short passed away November 15, 2008. Many of you will remember Bill . . . He was an active and helpful member of this list for a long time, posting under the email address of wbshort7777@coastalnow.net. He dropped off the list about a year ago due to health issues. Please keep Bill's wife Rachelle and the rest of his family in your thoughts at this difficult time. Here is his obit: --------------------------------------------------- William B. Short Jr., 68, of Hinesville, Ga., passed away Saturday, Nov. 15, 2008, at home. Mr. Short was born Nov. 17, 1940, in Cannon, to the late William B. Sr. and Ruth P. Messick Short. Mr. Short was a project manager. In addition to his parents, he was preceded in death by a brother, Ken Short in 2006. He is survived by his wife of 27 years, Rachelle L. Spector Short of Hinesville; a daughter, Debbie Croft and her husband Ted of Pennsylvania; and a sister, Sharon Mulholland and husband Ken of Millsboro. Services will be 1:30 p.m., Friday, Nov. 21, at the Lakeside Cemetery, N. State Street, Dover. The Rev. J. Allen Miller will officiate the service. Visitation will be 10 to 11 a.m., Friday at the Watson Funeral Home, 211 S. Washington St., Millsboro, prior to the graveside service. In lieu of flowers the family asks for contributions to the American Cancer Society, 1138 Parsons Road, Salisbury, MD 21801. ---------------------------------------------------- Shari Handley LDRoots List Admin *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Polk, I can't help YOU but THANK you for your analysis of the situation. If I understand it correctly the short answer would be: you have to go to the DE or PA Archives and dig deeper than their indexes. That is a long distance trip for me; I' m interested in early Sussex patents, perhaps north of the Indian River that were not recorded in MD, ones that John Lyons doesn't have in his voluminous files. Marj Adams On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:47 AM, John Polk <jfpolk@comcast.net> wrote: > At the Delaware Archives. > > Problem is that the colonial era survey and patent records for the lower > three counties belong to Pennsylvania because they were part of > Pennsylvania > until Delaware emerged as an independent entity at the start of the > American > Revolution. Some of the colonial period land records were eventually handed > over, somewhat begrudgingly, by Pennsylvania to Delaware, but not in a > comprehensive way. There didn't seem to have been a very collegial attitude > between the two states concerning archival records back then. In any case, > there is an inherent difficulty in that the patents and surveys for all > Pennsylvania counties are mixed together in volumes covering the entire > Province, so you can't separate out just the ones belonging to the lower > three counties. This can be resolved by having good indexes for the lower > three counties and access to microfilm or online images of the PA patents > volumes. The images are available - the problem is the indexes. > > The PA Patents Register Index, which you can access at the PA Archives > website, does contain entries for some tracts in Delaware, but clearly not > all. I just did a sampling on the patentees with surnames begining M-N-O-P > and found 46 entries for tracts in New Castle, 11 in Kent and 0 in Sussex > County, for the period 1682 to 1776. M-N-O-P represents about 18% of the > full index (based on number of pages) so this would extraplate to totals of > about 255 tracts for New Castle, 61 for Kent, and nothing for Sussex in the > index altogether. Clearly this is nowhere near the actual number of > patented > land tracts for those counties. By comparison I know John Lyon has more > than > 1700 tracts in his database just for the parts of Sussex county that were > originally claimed by Maryland. > > When Pennsylvania Archives compiled the Warrants Registers for PA counties > they could easily have made registers for the lower three counties at the > same time, but this wasn't done. I have not seen anything comparable > developed by or for Delaware. You can go to the Archives at Dover and > search > through their card file indexes for land records but I always come away > with > the suspicion that there are a lot of warrant, survey and patent records > that aren't compiled there. I have a particular interest in the > Scotch-Irish > settlers in New Castle County and am not finding them in the records as > much > as I would expect. Certainly there are major problems with the land records > card file indexes at MD State Archives, as John Lyon has pointed out > numerous times. One might suspect similar issues in Delaware. For Maryland, > however, you have the colonial era Rent Rolls and Debt Books which provide > convenient listings of all patented properties in each county, and an > independent way of knowing what is supposed to be there. There is nothing > like this for Delaware, as far as I know, so it is hard to be confident > that > the DE Archives land records indexes contain entries for all the original > land tracts. If I am missing something here, I would be very glad to hear > from anyone who has worked the Delaware colonial land records and has > suggestions to offer. > > John Polk > Havre de Grace, MD > > > ======================================================= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marjorie adams" <marjea@wildblue.net> > To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > > > If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index > > So, if one wants to check a name from there, where would one start? > > ======================================================= > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:00 AM, John Polk <jfpolk@comcast.net> wrote: > Well they say comparisons are odious, but with the foregoing comments I > can't help but point to the PA Archives website where you can pull up all > the PA original surveys, or rather the later transcriptions thereof, with > just two clicks, if you have the volume and page reference. To see how > easy this is just go to > > http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114Ma > inInterfacePage.htm<http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114MainInterfacePage.htm> > > > > They also have all of their county warrants registers on line at > > http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCo > untiesInterface.htm<http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCountiesInterface.htm> > If you are looking for the first settlers in any county you will find them > here, alphabetized by first letter of surname, then listed chronological. > - If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index : > > John Polk > > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At the Delaware Archives. Problem is that the colonial era survey and patent records for the lower three counties belong to Pennsylvania because they were part of Pennsylvania until Delaware emerged as an independent entity at the start of the American Revolution. Some of the colonial period land records were eventually handed over, somewhat begrudgingly, by Pennsylvania to Delaware, but not in a comprehensive way. There didn't seem to have been a very collegial attitude between the two states concerning archival records back then. In any case, there is an inherent difficulty in that the patents and surveys for all Pennsylvania counties are mixed together in volumes covering the entire Province, so you can't separate out just the ones belonging to the lower three counties. This can be resolved by having good indexes for the lower three counties and access to microfilm or online images of the PA patents volumes. The images are available - the problem is the indexes. The PA Patents Register Index, which you can access at the PA Archives website, does contain entries for some tracts in Delaware, but clearly not all. I just did a sampling on the patentees with surnames begining M-N-O-P and found 46 entries for tracts in New Castle, 11 in Kent and 0 in Sussex County, for the period 1682 to 1776. M-N-O-P represents about 18% of the full index (based on number of pages) so this would extraplate to totals of about 255 tracts for New Castle, 61 for Kent, and nothing for Sussex in the index altogether. Clearly this is nowhere near the actual number of patented land tracts for those counties. By comparison I know John Lyon has more than 1700 tracts in his database just for the parts of Sussex county that were originally claimed by Maryland. When Pennsylvania Archives compiled the Warrants Registers for PA counties they could easily have made registers for the lower three counties at the same time, but this wasn't done. I have not seen anything comparable developed by or for Delaware. You can go to the Archives at Dover and search through their card file indexes for land records but I always come away with the suspicion that there are a lot of warrant, survey and patent records that aren't compiled there. I have a particular interest in the Scotch-Irish settlers in New Castle County and am not finding them in the records as much as I would expect. Certainly there are major problems with the land records card file indexes at MD State Archives, as John Lyon has pointed out numerous times. One might suspect similar issues in Delaware. For Maryland, however, you have the colonial era Rent Rolls and Debt Books which provide convenient listings of all patented properties in each county, and an independent way of knowing what is supposed to be there. There is nothing like this for Delaware, as far as I know, so it is hard to be confident that the DE Archives land records indexes contain entries for all the original land tracts. If I am missing something here, I would be very glad to hear from anyone who has worked the Delaware colonial land records and has suggestions to offer. John Polk Havre de Grace, MD ======================================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "marjorie adams" <marjea@wildblue.net> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index So, if one wants to check a name from there, where would one start? ======================================================= On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:00 AM, John Polk <jfpolk@comcast.net> wrote: Well they say comparisons are odious, but with the foregoing comments I can't help but point to the PA Archives website where you can pull up all the PA original surveys, or rather the later transcriptions thereof, with just two clicks, if you have the volume and page reference. To see how easy this is just go to http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114Ma inInterfacePage.htm> They also have all of their county warrants registers on line at http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCo untiesInterface.htm If you are looking for the first settlers in any county you will find them here, alphabetized by first letter of surname, then listed chronological. - If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index : John Polk

 Biographical Dictionary of the Maryland Legislature has limited access. When I have asked over the years, I have been told there might be paid fee access in the future.   Perhaps the same model in being considered? and my apology if this has already been discussed on the List. Jacque-Lynne Schulman  

"Bob Nichol" <bnichol@iname.com> wrote: >To browse a particular land records volume, go to an MDLandRec.net county >page, then do a search on the volume number (such as "6" for the volume >designated "Old 6" and page 1, <snip> ...  From there, you can >go forward page by page, image by image.  Thank goodness--unless they >plan to close this entryway, too, we can still get in! ____ Of course, if they do cut the Next/Previous option, you'll be suddenly trapped in the absurd black hole of being able to retrieve only any one page of an x page document. Without starting over, that is ... If I were you, I wouldn't ask them any more questions on this ... John

Hey, All-- I stand corrected: John Lyon is right [as usual]! To browse a particular land records volume, go to an MDLandRec.net county page, then do a search on the volume number (such as "6" for the volume designated "Old 6" and page 1, without entering "Clerk's Initials." This will give you a listing of all volumes in the database with that number; from there, you can select the volume (Old 6, in this case) and clicking on it will take you to the image of the first page. From there, you can go forward page by page, image by image. Thank goodness--unless they plan to close this entryway, too, we can still get in! Bob Nichol --Researching NICOL, NICOLL, NICOLLS, NICHOL, NICHOLL, NICHOLLS, NICHOLS in Dorchester/Caroline Co, pre-1790. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index : So, if one wants to check a name from there, where would one start? On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:00 AM, John Polk <jfpolk@comcast.net> wrote: > Well they say comparisons are odious, but with the foregoing comments I > can't help but point to the PA Archives website where you can pull up all > the PA original surveys, or rather the later transcriptions thereof, with > just two clicks, if you have the volume and page reference. To see how easy > this is just go to > > http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114Ma > inInterfacePage.htm<http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114MainInterfacePage.htm> > > They also have all of their county warrants registers on line at > > http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCo > untiesInterface.htm<http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCountiesInterface.htm> > If you are looking for the first settlers in any county you will find them > here, alphabetized by first letter of surname, then listed chronological. > - If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index : > ( > > > John Polk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nichol" <bnichol@iname.com> > To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > > > > Well--I think they mean to limit online access to indexes only. No more > > images! [At least, my average navigation skills were unable to find a way > > to actual images that used to be there...] Glad I've saved digital > > copies of all the pertinent deeds, warrants and indexes I had already > > found. Data security? --I don't get it--the images were "read-only" > > anyway, therefore protected. > > > > Bob Nichol > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "CarolS Jones" > > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:58:39 -0500 > > > > > > Lot's of luck with this one when you figure it out let me know > > Carol > > > > > > From: msahelp > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:35 AM > > To: grannyjo2@verizon.net > > Cc: michael.baker@courts.state.md.us > > Subject: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jones, > > > > This email is to let you know that the Archives has removed the > > "View All Land Records" link on mdlandrec.net for purposes of > > maintaining data security. If you wish to view a complete list of > > land record volumes for a particular county, please visit the > > Archives' Guide to Government Records' web page at > > http://guide.mdsa.net/. Please let us know if we can be of further > > assistance. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Kathryn Baringer > > Help Desk Archivist > > Maryland State Archives > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > Sent 11/19/2008 6:49:42 AM > > To: mdlandrec@mdsa.net > > Subject: MDLandRec (PDF) User Feedback REPORT > > > > Hi! The following is feedback that a user has provided for > > MDLandrec.net: > > > > > > User Name: Carol Jones > > User Email: grannyjo2@verizon.net > > User Comments: What happened to "View all land records" ? > > > > County: DO > > IP Remote Address: 72.93.140.226 > > IP Remote Host: 72.93.140.226 > > Server Port: 8082 > > Date: 19-Nov-08 > > Client Details > > County: DO > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > -- > > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > *************************************** > > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, and you might therefore conclude someone doesn't want you to browse ... but you'd have to take that up with the "service" provider, exploring what "security" might mean for public records provided as PDF files, but now harder to get at. John "Bob Nichol" <bnichol@iname.com> wrote: > Thanks for that, John--you're correct.  Trouble is, this makes >"browsing" next to impossible.  Before this, one was able to race thru >hundreds of pages pertinent to a particular timespan, checking out not >only grantors and grantees, but also witnesses and odd remarks that give >clues to relationships.  No more.... > >Bob

Thanks for that, John--you're correct. Trouble is, this makes "browsing" next to impossible. Before this, one was able to race thru hundreds of pages pertinent to a particular timespan, checking out not only grantors and grantees, but also witnesses and odd remarks that give clues to relationships. No more.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnlyon0@cs.com To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:35:20 -0500 I'd sent this yesterday, but see it hasn't been posted. So I'll try again: The first page in the county has an entry line for Book No. and page. This works here to retrieve images. I cannot imagine what their restriction is intended to protect. John Lyon From: Bob Nichol bnichol@iname.com Well--I think they mean to limit online access to indexes only. No more images! [At least, my average navigation skills were unable to find a way to actual images that used to be there...] Glad I've saved digital copies of all the pertinent deeds, warrants and indexes I had already found. Data security? --I don't get it--the images were "read-only" anyway, therefore protected. *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

Yep, always good to see that someone has actually put some thought into reducing clicks (or keystrokes) for the user, and included a meaningful on-line guide. With very little effort, some other unnamed sites might have been made similarly user-friendly ... and maybe even free of those pesky security issues that plague making public records public. John "John Polk" <jfpolk@comcast.net> wrote: >Well they say comparisons are odious, but with the foregoing comments I >can't help but point to the PA Archives website where you can pull up all >the PA original surveys, or rather the later transcriptions thereof,  with >just two clicks, if you have the volume and page reference. To see how easy >this is just go to >http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114Ma >inInterfacePage.htm > >They also have all of their county warrants registers on line at >http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCo >untiesInterface.htm >If you are looking for the first settlers in any county you will find them >here, alphabetized by first letter of surname, then listed chronological. >- If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index   : >( > > >John Polk

Well they say comparisons are odious, but with the foregoing comments I can't help but point to the PA Archives website where you can pull up all the PA original surveys, or rather the later transcriptions thereof, with just two clicks, if you have the volume and page reference. To see how easy this is just go to http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/r17-114Ma inInterfacePage.htm They also have all of their county warrants registers on line at http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/Bah/DAM/rg/di/r17-88WarrantRegisters/r17-88AllCo untiesInterface.htm If you are looking for the first settlers in any county you will find them here, alphabetized by first letter of surname, then listed chronological. - If only they had included the "lower three counties" in this index : ( > John Polk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nichol" <bnichol@iname.com> To: <lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > Well--I think they mean to limit online access to indexes only. No more > images! [At least, my average navigation skills were unable to find a way > to actual images that used to be there...] Glad I've saved digital > copies of all the pertinent deeds, warrants and indexes I had already > found. Data security? --I don't get it--the images were "read-only" > anyway, therefore protected. > > Bob Nichol > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CarolS Jones" > To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:58:39 -0500 > > > Lot's of luck with this one when you figure it out let me know > Carol > > > From: msahelp > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:35 AM > To: grannyjo2@verizon.net > Cc: michael.baker@courts.state.md.us > Subject: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 > > > Dear Ms. Jones, > > This email is to let you know that the Archives has removed the > "View All Land Records" link on mdlandrec.net for purposes of > maintaining data security. If you wish to view a complete list of > land record volumes for a particular county, please visit the > Archives' Guide to Government Records' web page at > http://guide.mdsa.net/. Please let us know if we can be of further > assistance. > > > Sincerely, > Kathryn Baringer > Help Desk Archivist > Maryland State Archives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > Sent 11/19/2008 6:49:42 AM > To: mdlandrec@mdsa.net > Subject: MDLandRec (PDF) User Feedback REPORT > > Hi! The following is feedback that a user has provided for > MDLandrec.net: > > > User Name: Carol Jones > User Email: grannyjo2@verizon.net > User Comments: What happened to "View all land records" ? > > County: DO > IP Remote Address: 72.93.140.226 > IP Remote Host: 72.93.140.226 > Server Port: 8082 > Date: 19-Nov-08 > Client Details > County: DO > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > *************************************** > QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? > Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: > http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'd sent this yesterday, but see it hasn't been posted. So I'll try again: The first page in the county has an entry line for Book No. and page. This works here to retrieve images. I cannot imagine what their restriction is intended to protect. John Lyon From: Bob Nichol bnichol@iname.com Well--I think they mean to limit online access to indexes only. No more images! [At least, my average navigation skills were unable to find a way to actual images that used to be there...] Glad I've saved digital copies of all the pertinent deeds, warrants and indexes I had already found. Data security? --I don't get it--the images were "read-only" anyway, therefore protected.

The first page in the county has an entry line for Book No. and page.? This works here to retrieve images. I cannot imagine what their restriction is intended to protect. John Lyon From: Bob Nichol bnichol@iname.com Well--I think they mean to limit online access to indexes only. No more images! [At least, my average navigation skills were unable to find a way to actual images that used to be there...] Glad I've saved digital copies of all the pertinent deeds, warrants and indexes I had already found. Data security? --I don't get it--the images were "read-only" anyway, therefore protected. ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com

Well--I think they mean to limit online access to indexes only. No more images! [At least, my average navigation skills were unable to find a way to actual images that used to be there...] Glad I've saved digital copies of all the pertinent deeds, warrants and indexes I had already found. Data security? --I don't get it--the images were "read-only" anyway, therefore protected. Bob Nichol ----- Original Message ----- From: "CarolS Jones" To: lower-delmarva-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDR] Fw: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:58:39 -0500 Lot's of luck with this one when you figure it out let me know Carol From: msahelp Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:35 AM To: grannyjo2@verizon.net Cc: michael.baker@courts.state.md.us Subject: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 Dear Ms. Jones, This email is to let you know that the Archives has removed the "View All Land Records" link on mdlandrec.net for purposes of maintaining data security. If you wish to view a complete list of land record volumes for a particular county, please visit the Archives' Guide to Government Records' web page at http://guide.mdsa.net/. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance. Sincerely, Kathryn Baringer Help Desk Archivist Maryland State Archives ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Sent 11/19/2008 6:49:42 AM To: mdlandrec@mdsa.net Subject: MDLandRec (PDF) User Feedback REPORT Hi! The following is feedback that a user has provided for MDLandrec.net: User Name: Carol Jones User Email: grannyjo2@verizon.net User Comments: What happened to "View all land records" ? County: DO IP Remote Address: 72.93.140.226 IP Remote Host: 72.93.140.226 Server Port: 8082 Date: 19-Nov-08 Client Details County: DO *************************************** QUESTIONS about POSTING GUIDELINES, SUBSCRIBING or UNSUBSCRIBING? Visit The Lower DelMarVa Roots Mailing List FAQ: http://www.tyaskin.com/handley/ldrfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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Lot's of luck with this one when you figure it out let me know Carol From: msahelp Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:35 AM To: grannyjo2@verizon.net Cc: michael.baker@courts.state.md.us Subject: Mdlandrec.net Issue 22841 Dear Ms. Jones, This email is to let you know that the Archives has removed the "View All Land Records" link on mdlandrec.net for purposes of maintaining data security. If you wish to view a complete list of land record volumes for a particular county, please visit the Archives' Guide to Government Records' web page at http://guide.mdsa.net/. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance. Sincerely, Kathryn Baringer Help Desk Archivist Maryland State Archives ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: <grannyjo2@verizon.net> Sent 11/19/2008 6:49:42 AM To: mdlandrec@mdsa.net Subject: MDLandRec (PDF) User Feedback REPORT Hi! The following is feedback that a user has provided for MDLandrec.net: User Name: Carol Jones User Email: grannyjo2@verizon.net User Comments: What happened to "View all land records" ? County: DO IP Remote Address: 72.93.140.226 IP Remote Host: 72.93.140.226 Server Port: 8082 Date: 19-Nov-08 Client Details County: DO